March 14, 2010
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The wait for a rental apartment in Stockholm averages 104 weeks, rising to as much as 20 years for attractive areas. In many comparable EU cities apartments can be found immediately and often at little or no extra cost, a new survey shows.
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"The survey also shows that neither long waits nor a strict political regulatory system brings rewards in the way of lower rents."
If you are going in Stockholm for a short period so that it doesn't make sense to buy, then I guess your only option is to live in the suburbs.
In Oslo for example there's a wild array of standards ranging from very bad without shower or bathing abilities in the flat to of course very good newly built housing. I've also an acquaintance in Berlin who lives in an apartment without hot tap water. To my knowledge these types of cheap low standard apartments does not exist any more in Stockholm so just comparing overall prices doesn't tell the whole story.
I doubt the outer suburbs have such long waiting lists.
Also, this is the last bastion of segregation in Sweden. They preach egalitarian values and integration, but this apartment queue is obviously a way to keep immigrants out of the "good" areas for as long as possible. It reeks of class system society and frankly, Stockholm would attract more international talent if the city did not make it so difficult to set up a life here. The longer they create barriers that perpetuate inequalities, the greater the liklihood of social tensions increasing and boiling over (see Rosengård).
@peropaco, i do believe you are exaggerating just a weee bit, I think 500000kr for a first hand contract would be rather the exception than the rule even if you are talking heart of the city. From what i hear its between 100k to 200k (although my information could be wrong as i have very little idea about this subject.) . Which parts of town were you talking about and what kind of apartments? (I.e 2 rooms, 3rooms? more?)
If you're curious you can visit Bostadsförmedlings website and look at their statistics.
Get rid of that right and the system no longer favors people already in an apartment. Instead it finally becomes fair.
Get rid of that right and the system no longer favors people already renting an apartment.
Or better yet, completely do away with the queue system and make the building owners _compete_ for new tenants instead of the reverse. Landlords raised the rent? People move out. Some apartments will be empty. Landlords don't upgrade anything in the apartment for 10+ years? Your tenants search for something nicer. You raise the rent for no good reason? Same deal, landlords lose tenants.
I've also always thought that only people actually working in the city should be allowed to live in the city. Old folk 60+, retired and unemployed should be asked to relocate outside the city areas. That will free up a huge amount of space.
I don't think there should be restrictions on anyone living in the city, including a queue that's impossible for some to wait in.
Come to think of it, there have probably been people in the queue for so long that they died before they could get an apartment. Grr, thinking about this just makes me more and more angry.
Can you explain how you did this for the benefit of us poor souls stuck in the giant I'll-be-dead-before-I-find-an-apartment queue?
I hear about people queueing 20 years to live right in the city centre..daft.
Apartments are very cheap to buy right outside the centre. around here (20 minutes outside the city) its just less than a million kr for 2 bed.. the same in Dublin wouldnt buy you a cardboard box an hour outside the city.
Too right! I had a tough time at first like anybody finding a place but when I finally got a room 15 minutes outside the centre I was amazed to find how big the room is for the moderate rent and how well all the facilities functioned and how much storage space I had. Also most of the apartment blocks are very well catered for convenience ie. never too far from a shop and of course a washroom.
In Dublin I paid millions of pounds rent to a dodgy landlord to live in a box room on Meath street where I felt like I was possibly gonna get killed everytime I walked home after dark. Dublin is nice for a weekend, but I can't stress how little I miss that city!
I also think the sort of 'word of mouth' way of getting a place is a little more about tradition and old time family values than anything to do with keeping immigrants out of the city centre, nonetheless I can't argue that the wait for a place right bang in the centre isn't ridiculous. Ultimately I think the Swedish system is in many ways very refreshing coming from Ireland, but probably vice versa as well.
sorry for late reply. That was the price someone asked me for a 70sq in Gamla Stan right across from Bistro Ruby back in 2005; and 360.000 Kronor for 85sq near Mosebacke. I ended up buying a flat. I figured if I could fork up that dough, I may as well just buy.
all Europe....
Ballymun Dublin 20 minutes outside city and 10 minutes from the airport. 2 bed at current deflated prices 2.5 million kr 250,000 euro)
Thats is the price TODAY. (It wold have been 30% higher 2 years ago)
So, you either buy a place, buy a 1st hand contract, which I believe is not legal...please correct me.......WAIT!!! or don't come to Stockholm etc.
You have to allow market forces to be applied.....but with controls in place so that people can't exploit the system ie. own more than 2 properties, have protection for KEY workers ie. police, nurses etc. allow apartment owners to rent their place out... for all buildings, not just new ones.
The 2 bed apartments in Väsby have a bostads of 2900kr per month which includes your apartment heating, its 6000kr rent for the same place from Väsbyhem as a rental, so as an owner your paying about 1000kr less with the mortgage and bostads
As to Stockholm, sounds like the government regulation just made a black market for apartments pop up. Sorry, but if that is what rent control will do, then I'll take the free market. I feel sorry for the people in Stockholm having to wait that long.
I don't really understand where Fastighetsägarna got their data from...
As commented before by others... Affordable housing is an issue in almost every major and/or university city in Western Europe...
Because of this silly law there is a shortage as @wxman says but there are many markets. If you renting as a company, embassy etc as I have understood the landlord doesn't have to worry about the law and all it's side effects and renting is much easier.
The law as it sits gives a lot of power to the regulation agency by taking market forces out of the equation. The rent is determined by a formula that doesn't take into account views, location, and even the state of the property.
How about setting up a society where everyone makes about the same per hour and then let incentives play out. Have a good balance between owner and rental apartments.
I will say that I'm impressed with the quality of Swedish apartments. Swedes make good stuff.
I have lived in the Netherlands for 2.5 years, and I could not be bothered living in Amsterdam. I can believe it will take less than five weeks to find an apartment in Haarlem, because that what it took for me.
I also know people from Amsterdam and some of them had to wait up to eight years to get an OK apartment.
That's minimum 2 years for a not-so-nice place or extremely expensive new production and 20+ years for an apartment inside the city with reasonable rent.
In any city centre there is limited land recourses to build new accommodation, so the only way that the housing stock can be increased is to knock down the 4/5 storey buildings and replace them with skyscrapers. Doing that may result in more availability of rental accommodation but also changes the character of the city.
One of the more refreshing aspects of Stockholm is the feeling of not being crowded in by high rise buildings. Sweden has a policy of building out rather than up. There is land availability outside of the city and the policy that ensures that the infrastructure of good roads, public transport and provision of utilities is in place before new construction is started ensures that people can live outside the city centre but be within an acceptable commuting distance.
I have lived in London, Paris and Amsterdam, London has become a nightmare because of the lack of co-ordination between developers who just want to build and sell and the authorities who have to provide the infrastructure to cater for the increased number of residents. Amsterdam, like Stockholm has no spare land in the centre to build on, and has laws that prohibit new constructions in the City centre that do not fit in with the existing style. If you knock down and old 4 storey Gracht house, you can not replace it with a 20 storey tower block.
The reason so many people posting here want to get a place in Stockholm is because it has a better environment than a lot of other cities. Building up and putting a strain on the existing infrastructure may increase the availability of places to rent but would make it a less attractive place to live.
your right,i doubt Göteborg is much better from my experience(detailed above) unless you want to live in a ghetto(not naming neighborhoods, but if u live here you know where im talking about)...i need to find a new place to live as of oct 1..iv got on a few lists for apartments but not holding my breathe,probably gonna have to buy again,which isn't totally a bad thing,but i don't know how long i will stay so its a tough choice..anyone in göteborg need a roommate that cooks and cleans??? haha
I think the Governement should put a stop to this....
You cannot look at it just like that. You have to think about the money people makes. The fact that Berlin does have lower rents and the salaries are also ok, doesn't mean that the flats in sweden are expensive.
This is also the reason why so many rental properties are in bad shape and repairs take ages. Why spend money on something you cannot get back?
G.
All resources are rationed-whether by edict or by pricing. When you allow pricing to float with the market there is an incentive to build apartments which increases the supply and competition which will then, ultimately, reduce price. Of course, that assumes that your political class ultimately wants more apartments built. This would increase the population density and make public areas and transit more crowded, so, it works in the interest of "the haves" to keep things exactly as they are.