February 14, 2012
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The wait for a rental apartment in Stockholm averages 104 weeks, rising to as much as 20 years for attractive areas, according to a new report published this week.
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How about this for an idea then, and I mentioned this is in comments for the previous article as well: Get rid of bytesrätt. If someone moves into another apartment give the landlords a choice: either keep the rent the same and put it into the queue, or make improvements/renovations to X standard to the apartment and you can introduce market prices for that apartment but to some pre-determined capped-level... taking into account not only the standard of the apartment, but also environmental factors, ie the view etc. That should alleviate the problems with rents spiking for existing tenants. Even with improvements it still has to go to the queue.
The bottom line is that when the apartments change hands they need to get back into the queue, and not be allowed to swap. This whole swapping thing is IMHO the biggest reason why it takes so long to finally land a place.
Eventually these landlords will learn that they're competing for tenants rather than the other way around and prices will stabilize. IMHO it also gives builders incentive to create new properties because they'll actually be able to invest in their property (improvements/remodeling, adding amenities etc.) in order to remain competitive and to make mid to long-term profits.
If due to market prices it becomes profitable for a company to build a house just for renting, or for private persons to buy an apartment for renting to others, than one can soon expect an equilibration between demand and supply. That's how it works in majority of Europe.On the other hand, if someone is a tenant in apartment for a price that is insufficient to fund the cost of building the apartment in the long term then he in fact lives on the expense of others.
I never said tenants *should* be forced out, I described what I understand is the concern of the people wanting to protect the government-mandated rents. As I understand it, the major concern of those who oppose market pricing are worried that tenants will have their rents raised to levels that they can't afford, essentially forcing them out of the apartment.
What I did say is that they should no longer have the right to trade apartments with someone else. If they find another apartment then their old apartment should go back into the queue and not directly to a new tenant. Also I suggested a way to either keep the rent the same *or* if the landlord choses, to make improvements to the apartment to the day's current standard and then be allowed to raise the rent to market levels. In other words, give the landlords a way to invest in their property in order to make a larger profit, or stay at the same levels of income that they are current at.
The queue doesn't quite work like that. The individual sits in a general queue of people waiting, it isn't until the individual expresses interest in an apartment that their queue time plays a role. So it's not really Bostadsförmedlingen who says "here's an apartment for you in this location etc., take it or leave it", they don't dictate which apartments you are eligible for, but your time waiting in the general queue does.
There are exceptions though... I think (just heard) that refugees are bumped to the front of the queue or something but I'm not sure. Can someone confirm or deny this please?
"How on earth can this system be allowed when Sweden is in the EU?" What on earth does one thing have to do with the other? I am not communist and stop seing communism everywhere, but I do think the beloved "MARKET" shouldn't mess up with housing and/or health care. If you wanna make money out of something, so you have cars, clothes, decoration, entertaiment, etc. If you put the price you want for something basic like housing, tenants cannot say something like "nahh, it's too expensive and I don't realy need it" like with a car or a Play Station.
I live in Prgue now and it's a gorgeous city, but I'm fed up of so many people asking the 70 or 75% of my salary for a s**t hole and I have a quite "ok" salary. The flat where we live is ok, but I still pay quite a lot and took me nearly 1 year to find it.
Also, what they say in this research is just not right when they compare Stockholm with other cities (exept Berlin) because you cannot compare only the prices but the salaries and what you can buy with them. In Madrid (I mean Madrid, not a town near Madrid), the rent of a small flat is about the 80% of the famous 1000E almost everybody gets. So it ain't even cheaper than Stockholm. and even if it was, what can you do with 200E? In Prague most of people I know and know about get around 20000Kc (many get 15000Kc) and the cheapest s**t hole costs about 10000. With the other 10000 you can just live, but if any surprice comes out, you might eat only bread the last 2 day of the month so forget about fun.
Your "FREE MARKET" is making the whole Europe slaves of a mortgage (ours or our lanlords') who work to pay a roof and whatch TV. Sweden (and Germany) is one of the last places where you can still do something else cos the rent doen't take nearly the whole cake and you can still contact a private state if you are in a rush.
OK, so let's say that rent is cheaper here. How long do you think it will take to get an apartment with cheap rent in an area you're willing to live in *in Stockholm*?
That's the *major* complaint. It took you 1 year to find a place to live. It takes *at least* double that amount of time here in Stockholm, and it the wait for a rental *in Stockholm* doesn't appear to change much even if the person is made of money.
pure math.
It' s not like the places are sitting empty but not available or is it ?
well if there are owners who just sit on appts without selling or renting,
maybe the same largesse afforded in NL to the squatters is to be considered
otherwise well building a twin copy of Stockholm not too far from it or something
would be a fun project, call it Stockholm 2 what a lovely idea
I think the system is interesting, I wouldn't change it for an open market as we have in my country. What I think it is lacking is control.
There are so many apartments rented in second hand ilegally by people that are just scared of losing them. Those should let the apartment enter the que.
As well as the black market and the "selling of a first hand contract" that is just unbelievable and unacceptable. So corrupt that my imagintion can't even grasp how does that exist in the so called rightgeous Sweden.
So, keep the system and implement stronger controls and penalties.
Apartment owners should also have it easier to rent out if they respect market price.
A free housing market could solve the problem of housing for the better off, e.g., high wage earners, while at the same time giving opportunity for housing companies to make money along the way.
The low income earners will be pushed to ghetos like those quarters where foreigners are living. Please know a free market for housing in US and Britain has not solved housing problem.
Stockholm is a small city, about 1/11 of London. The outskirts of the city are a few kilometers from the centre of the city. The solution to housing shortage could be building several rail links to the outskirts and build tall apartment buidings there. By the right incentive old and the retired people living in the centre of the city can move if that is a desired solution.
How exactly does the US housing system work? Please explain it to me, because I only lived there for most of my life and... I was able to find a place to live *in the same day* on multiple occasions and in a couple of different cities, both large and small.
Yes, ghettos are there in the free market system, but if you've been in Stockholm long enough you'll realize that the Swedish system doesn't prevent ghettos either.
Surly this blackmarket doesn't solve the problem just rewards crooks and fosters corruption. Sweden seems to have as many ghettos as the US in some ways worse. Like the rest of Europe the immigrants are outside the cities and not mixed with the Swedish population. In the US people live together all races and cultures. LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Arabs, Indians, Swedes anyone who wants to live anywhere can and does lives where they choose and can get a place in a month in any city in the country at high and low income.
The idea about a stockholm 2 .Who will invest the money to build it if they can't rent the apartments for enough money to pay for the investment? Does anyone take economics courses in Sweden?
Market values are simply a true representation of reality. Any imposed regulations are, almost by definition, a distortion of reality and little more than wishful thinking by idealists. When you apply pressure to one point in the supply and demand equation through artificial controls, out it pops somewhere else in the form of corruption (money under the table), long waiting lists, and sub-standard housing. More controls will not fix this, it will just distort it further.
With unrealistic returns there is no incentive for a developer to undertake a risky building project, or to provide levels of amenity or luxury beyond the lowest common denominator. Thus the apartment housing market in Sweden has become a monopoly for the huge government subsidized housing companies (HSB et al) which naturally do not want any competition, so this is really a whole other level of sanctioned corruption!
Three things need to change for the waiting lists, housing shortage, and 'black market' in second hand rentals in Sweden to disappear:
1) The corrosive idea that it is somehow immoral for a property owner to profit from renting out their property must yield to an awareness that this is the reward for financial risk - it is simply a return on investment;
2) A large scale shift away from the 'bostadsrätt' coop format towards full ownership of apartments, where the owner is able to rent out their property if they like without time limitations or the need to provide "valid" reasons for doing so;
3) The DIY amateurish 'second-hand' rental infrastructure that exists today needs to evolve into professional property management services along the lines of what real estate agents offer elsewhere.
These changes would create a healthy climate for property investment in Sweden.
As the laws stand the shortage is perpetuated and the standard of new
apartments is kept low since quality is not rewarded with higher rents. Without proper market competition there is also little innovation and overall costs are higher.
US ghettos have always had more to do with culture, language and race rather than income. US ghettos no longer really exist in the way they did in the way Swedes might imagine. The suburban area where I grew up in Houston is now filled with immigrant families and you'd be hard pressed to find an English speaker in what might now be considered a bad part of town or ghetto. However, they are living in what were considered solid middle class homes in the 1980s and they aren't much worse for wear today. So many poor American kids today grow up in conditions that are as good as what I grew up in a generation ago. The so-called ghetto where my high school was located is now still predominantly black, but with a much upgraded housing stock and generally much improved in every way.
As for rent controls,
I think it is well proven that rent controls lead to neglect then degeneration then blight. The only way to prevent that is by subsidizing landlords while controlling rents for maintaining a ridiculous, unsustainable social agenda.
I could understand grandfathering some residents in for a period of time to ease the transition, but maintaining rent controls for the long term is a fools game and leads to lower living standards for everyone in the long term. Why is Sweden still even toying with this bankrupt policy? It has been a proven loser in the long term everywhere it has been practiced.
Sweden needs more new housing stock. Better, nicer houses in places it didn't exist before. If that's in the suburbs, then all the better. On another note, England's housing crisis is worse than Sweden's. Not for rent controls, but for lack of decent housing stock (new construction controls). Maybe the reason no one can build in England is because the country is just packed to rafters and all of Britain would be paved over if everyone were permitted decent housing.