February 14, 2012
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Student groups have roundly criticised the Swedish government's move to charge fees to non-EU/EEA college and universty students from the autumn term 2011.
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And we all know how sweden is cold, especially Luleå i ,which some students manage to stay to finished their studies and while other people ran away because of cold.
And if the government introducing fees many students will not come to sweden universities..And which means some universities we have less students.
Another observation is that i want some universities to have their program in English which we attract some foreigner to come to sweden to study and more so it also contribute to their economic.
BEBI
The unions should pay for them if they want to.
It is good it is restricted to the EU/EFTA area. I would also like to see other European countries reciprocate, so as to get more European people back into university.
"Lundgren pointed to the example of Denmark, which experienced a dramatic decline in the numbers of international students after introducing fees"
,,,so he will eventually leave sweden to u.k at the first possible chance. why should sweden pay for these people.
and Mr anand why do our fellow country men flock to Australia to every unrecognised and unregistered colleges ???? and pay a lot.
yes there is going to be a fall in numbers but the ones who are really interested in studying will come for sure and the numebers will stabilise eventually for sure.
besides a lot of people abuse this free system to gain entry an go on to take cleaning jobs and never bother to even attend roll call,,,,how many sincere students will lose the places because of these people who waste the places.
im a student now in a swedish university and i see how many register and how many actualy complete the courses.
Oh Boy' i love this country but it's full of really strange...lets be honest...Swedish folk.
Who & why it was decided to provide free education ?
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It is definitely the Swedish government that is supposed to decide about fees, but if you want students to come after paying fee, then
- Arrange Good Part time jobs for them
(Student pay fees in UK, Germany & Denmark and they can earn if they want to)
I think instead of attracting more foreign students, they should do more about seeing their current students secure stable jobs and careers. As it is, there is comparatively more struggle for a foreigner with an equivalent education to get the same job as someone who is native. If Sweden truly desires for foreign blood to contribute to its economy, development and culture, they should invest more in this area.
I'm 100% bias when I say this, but while I'd stay for the qualification, the language, the culture, the general policies on health services, education and promoting well-being, I'd leave the country if I couldn't secure my career with a Swedish University Degree due to being foreign.
(There are numerous articles on the topic, if you want to search them yourself... here's one - http://www.thelocal.se/23732/20091208/).
in this way Sweden will not burden the tax payers and at the same time it will be still attractive for international students.
Applying a university fee without giving consideration to the fact that it's already expensive for students to live in Sweden without the fees, and without trying to solve other related problems at the same time may not end well for Swedish universities.
After student Complete there degree from Swedish Institute, there is no job. if there is any job than organization strongly demand for the expertise in Swedish language.
1) Tuition will be around 70,000 kr (depending on the school and programme). But students already have to bring in roughly that much to cover their expenses (food, rent, clothing, etc). You already have roughly that much money coming into the country and being spent in the local economy, which in turn promotes the rest of the economy.
2) A small fraction of students will stay. Sweden is a great place to live. The students who choose to stay will be a significant addition to the economy. You take some of the best minds in the world, give them a good education, and they stay here and contribute to Sweden's economic development.
Sure, most students don't do that, but the ones that do can have a huge off-setting effect. Consider a single engineering student who stays in Sweden and contributes to the economy for the next 45 years. Can you calculate the economic benefit that this one student brings? My guess would be that a single student who stays more than offsets the tuition costs of 10 or 20 who don't.
Now, this doesn't have to be an all or nothing issue. You could try to pick a middle ground where students have to pay, say, 30,000 kr. That's a middle ground between not wanting to subsidize foreign students, and still trying to attract foreign students to Sweden. Though personally I suspect that the money that foreign students already ring probably pays for their tuition cost anyway.
If you don't like it, go home!!!
p.s. Cheaper countries? sure! Go to Poland. Life is cheaper but unfortunately, universities charge foreign students. Get over it!!
Have another glass of kool-aid!
I have to admit that we have to be careful about the way we speak concerning the Sweedish system.
Well, 70,000 is a lot of money, but still; insulting a system that helps me to have free and better education than in my country is far too much and ungrateful.
After all we are coming from another country, and we should not expect Swedes to subdue to our wish; instead, we should try to accomodate to their system and express ourselves as people who have or had the advantage of free and better education....
Reading some intervention makes me understand why some Swedes have difficulties to accept foreigners in their country. They open their doors to us, and we still have the audacity to insult them and insult their system; comparing it with the system of other countries that are not ours; as if we have a better system in our home...
Anyway, if we do have a better system of education in our home, we better stay there and stop insulting them..
Thanks...
2. For avoiding some education based immigrants, there should be some amount of fees.There are many students who came Sweden and participate introduction meeting, then gone for work and didn't continue their education. For them, the fee is necessary.
3. For improve the quality of education, it is also good to have a tuition and scholarship.
4. They have best welfare system. So, it is quite OK to have tuition.
But:
1.The proposal fee is extremely high.
2. Sweden have a good English language skills, but it still not comparable with other English speaking country, and as like other peoples comment it is not easy to fit this society.
3.The fee is comparable with other English speaking country and living is also quite expansive here. So, why here?
4. For me, Sweden is very beautiful country, but, at the same time, it is also very cold. It is really hard to see a sun some time. So, for me the beauty already neutralized with cold weather.
If you have nothing to say just cool down! Coming here to study has not been anything of a free ride as you want to put it. You may well remember that the first condition is to pay 73000Sek(old system before tuition). When you say it is better than Cameroon,you may be right,but 73000Sek + the cost of travel + the cost of living here is enormous. If you have spent such enomous among of money to come here and find that some people in the public and those who control the system are voting punitive laws,everyone is entitled to speak their mind.Here is a free opinion society,just as Swede themselves are trashing non-EU'students here. We might not have have yet the same quality of education as Sweden,which is the reason why we came in the first place and the Swedish's government allowed it based on conditions that you and I had to fulfill. Now if you are living with a Swedish Guy to wait for you 'kaolo' just do it in silence.We don't hate Sweden,but as free people having a share of experience about Sweden,we are entitled to opinions! Or you want to show your mental slavery? That what most people do back home,they never criticized or bring in contribution.Sometimes anger is part of human behavior,and people here are champion showing it. They are ruls to obey if you are to be here student or not.Once those rules are respected you have the right to say what you think,like anyone else do here from Canada down to the UK.If you want to just see the opportunity given to you and ignore you contribution as a person for the contribution of different part of the Swedish life,then you better shut up.
Sure, you don't need to give anyone a check. But you do need to pay for your expenses in Sweden and those do amount to a significant sum. That's money going into the country which largely offsets the subsidy from the Swedish taxpayers. Personally, I do agree with charging a modest sum for tuition (for some of the reasons tuerd1982 listed) but I think that expecting students to pay the full cost is a bad idea because it ignores the financial benefit that the student already brings in the form of money to pay for living expenses. It also ignores the fraction of students who then stay and contribute to the Swedish society for years.
1. living expenses in Sweden are very high;
2. the weather is not an attractive feature most of the year;
3. housing is very hard to find;
4. the job market for foreign students with Swedish degrees is abysmal.
None of those reasons alone would keep me from studying in Sweden, but put all together (especially #4) there are just too many other places to study where I could actually have a future career.
That being said, Sweden certainly should impose fees if they so choose. I am thankful for the education I am getting and I love living in Sweden. But I know there is little chance of getting a job here after I graduate. So, yes, with the tuition fees I probably would have gone to another country.
I do not see european students not having to pay fees as fair at all. It sorta contradicts what the swedishgovernment is trying to acheive by introducing tuition fees
That being said...that amounts to a form of discrimination
One does not see Swedish students going to the UK or other european countries and enjoying the same fee system as a nitive of that country or getting the education for free just because they are part of the EU
It doesnt make sense to me how charging students who are less equipped to pay (non europeans from developing countries) and not charging the richer european student supports the point of t he fee introduction in the first place nor is morally correct.
My other grouse is the extent of the fee..it is way too high...
The government needs to consider that the vast majority of these foreign students actually do complete their studies here and while doing so, pay out of pocket as the vast majority of foriegn students do not have extra jobs. It is very very very difficult for foreign students to get part time jobs in Sweden. Added to this, foreign students also do pay taxes (without getting any return taxes) through the form of VAT which is 25%.
Since I am sure the government has had a team of economists researching this issue before they made this proposal, the whole thing reeks of BS to me, surely the economist would have seen that by charging the foreign student 12000 usd as well as them bringing in money to the country to support their stay, that Sweden stands to actually get a net financial gain .
That being said..I think a tuition fee of half the proposed amount is more suitable.
This should also be added to the more intangible gains of foreign students' presence in the universities as they bring with them new ways of thinking, their culture and they make the university experience alot more enjoyable and holistically educational.
Sweden's government should also consider that if one of their complaints is that the student leaves sweden and goes totheir own country..etc....then why not ACTUALLY PROVIDE A MEANS FOR THESE STUDENTS TO GET JOBS. Unlike other countries who charge fees (eg the states), the students visa actually includes time where the student has the opportunity to find a job that actually matches their skills. In Sweden, this is not the case...added to the fact that non Swedes have a notoriously difficult time of actually getting jobs in Sweden, The government by stating this is only showing off their hypocrisy !
I always tell my Swedish wife that if I had done my engineering degree in the US I would be making 80 to 90 thousand a year now. Why do I know this because all of my friends are making at least that. Three are from India and had jobs offers right away. From what I hear it has not changed a whole lot in Boston. Here I see really smart guys from Iraq with stronger degrees from their home countries than in Sweden not able to get jobs washing dishes.
I sometimes think it is better to pay 15,000 dollars a year and be guaranteed a job when you get out than to play the Swedish employment version of Russian Roulette....
I am grateful to Sweden anyway....I love it here for a lot of reasons. Like they say "if you don't like it leave". I like it so I will stay.
Ahhh the plight of a love refugee.
These countries highly embrase multi-culturalism in the employment market. Ex. It doesnt make any difference in getting a job depending on ethnic background. 30% of MICROSOFT, NASA and many great institutions in US are Indians, who came to US in 70s and 80s. See how well their strategy worked. These talent minds have helped to grow these institutions multifold.
The fact is that where ever multi-culture fluorish, business fluorish because people with different cultures have different points of view. I hope readers to figure out the reason why many companies in Sweden are sinking. Eg.SAAB,VOLVO,etc. Its the same situation 'blind leading the blinds'. Its only better job policies from companies will help them from sinking.
I can't really help myself in getting white skin, blond hair and green eyes for me.
However, it is not only about the quality. Students want to go somewhere they can fit in, develop social skills and get job offers after completion. And for that, one needs the local language. For sure students will choose to go somewherelse, even if the courses here are good.
I have the impression that you don't even understand the issue at hand here. I don't remember saying you should not express your mind, but I remember saying that you should express your mind, but be at least grateful and you should not come and speak as if you are imposing something to someone who host you. Only a savage would behave this way, and I personally do not believe that you are a savage, as well as those who are insulting the Swede for taking this decision....
Would I come to your home and impose the way to live in. Would it not be better for me to speak with you in a friendly manner if I want to get something from you that you are not even obliged to give me.
For your information, I do not have a Swede boyfriend, and I never had one. I believe God gave me enough strength and wisdom to live without thinking that having a Swede or an European boy friend would ever be a solution for the difficulties I have been through for the 8 years spent in Europe. And still, I do not have a permanent residence in this country or in any Eurepean country. Finally, I don't believe being a slave, but I believe that I am respectful and grateful as I think you are too.
Cheers,
Eugenie L.
I am not against the introduction of fees by any means, but to introduce fees; there will always be consequencies which I hope the Swedes take into consideration. Why will a non EU prospective student choose to pay the $10,000 -$11,000 a year for two year period for an M.sc with no prospect of a good after school hours job compared to paying more in an Anglo-Amrican country with better prospects and much better options afterwards.
Their is one certainty! Student enronllment figure will drop significantly; whether short term or long term can only be figured out by the Swedish policy maker after they take stocky.
One may never know what will be until tried. Good luck with the policy.