February 14, 2012
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The Svea Court of Appeal has ordered Elite Hotels to pay compensation to six men after finding that they were denied entry to a Stockholm nightclub due to their ethnicity.
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Want to make some easy money?
ha ha
I dont care if you are an Arab, Indian, Brit or whatever, as long as you are coming in to party in a decent way and not act like a pr!ck, they should not discriminate.
I have heard a lot of stories like this, and although i this never happened to me I can sympathize,
Like I said above, the fine was too low, but hey in a country where multiple rapes gets you less than 2 years and filesharing a song carries upto 2 years... what can be said?
I am with you all the way.It could really be easy cash!!
haha
@Mb 65 you're kidding me.
This has nothing to do about coming in two's, simply say they are racists.
It's really a shame, but what do you do when you have some group of freaks who have not experienced life outside this "village" of ours...
This is basic business and maths and all clubs do it in Sweden - even the ones run by immigrants. ;)
Where ever racism is played it is inherently evil.
@calebian22: I've seen swedish boys picking fights as well, never saw a non-swedish guy doing it. Then again, I live in a small town. Maybe the reality in bigger cities is different.
@besjaj : I agree with you! Totally!
@Kaethar: that's ridiculous! But it could be true =/ business is business. Anything's possible in this world, unfortunatelly
@livinginsweden: you made me LOL hahaha!!! I wanna make some money!!!
bezjaj, all i can say to you is: get a life.. and by that i don't mean "watching TV".
Im a 196cm & 120kg Jamaican extraction (im a nigger and proud) ex boxer from London with my blondes on my arm, anyway that elite hotel group is owned by a rat from India....who treats his staff and especially our beautiful Swedish women badly as well. He owns the bishop arms chain of pubs too now fancy a curry eating Indian like that so dont blame the swedes!!!
Well said.
But its still annoying to know that such a discrimination exists.
I think they need maths lessons really. I've been queuing (if you can call it that when it is more like a fight for the bar) at clubs with English and American friends, clearly old enough to be working and making our presence known to the bouncer.
They let the pretty little blonde students in who will either drink water or slowly sip on a glass of wine, the "pretty boy" Swedes who probably got half wasted at some ones apartment before arriving their and will only drink stor starks.
The group of us they did not let in should have been assumed to be tourists who are in all likelyhood are going to splash the cash. On those nights we were spending at least 1k each at the clubs we did get into.
You are right, many Swedes do like to fight after a long night of drinking.
However, there is a huge difference between a one on one or a two on one fight and a 5 or 10 on one fight. These guys, judging by the one name, match the description of the demographic that starts the most brawls. Talk to any club security guard, don't take my word for it. Letting these 6 guys in as a group was a higher risk to the private establishment because of the actions of previous groups in the same demographic.
Even so, Mb 65 is right. If they had not been in a group, they would have been let in.
The Swedish group was late it. Lame argument. Letting the Swedish group in and refusing the other is still discrimination. So obvious, it hurts by brain just to read you say such nonsense with Mb 65
Its like this. You need to nail your colours to the mast. in UK the BNP party had policy that they only allowed white people in their party, until recently. Everyone knew their racist policy and so no non-white bothered to apply for membership. So if these clubs would just come out in the open, I don't think non-whites would bother going there.
Racism is always a joke to those on the oppressors side.
There's much more to life than these overpriced, overrated hovels.
Wake up!!!
How about this, on two separate nights get into a fight with a member of a group of "Svens" and then with a member of a group of "Wagas." Guess who's group of friends are more likely to hit you in the back of the head with a bottle? Try it and see if I am right.
Oh, I forgot... WE are better than THEY are, hence WE will award them money. Pure racism in hidden form.
sounds like you didnt get any for weeks and months and years....decades !!
It is someone else here who didn't get so long, that they went to court to complain.
Good speaking man. I agree.
@deema ... same here,the second i show my Canadian passport to doormen at any club here in Göteborg i get in for free and ahead of the line,i do it whenever the line is long lol..play the stupid tourist
@calebian22
The reason you have shifted from your initial lame argument to another equally idiotic one, is that you have no clue really what you talking about. Better just shut up.
I agree 100% with you.
THIS is real ethnic discrimination: "Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes", article from the Telegraph (UK). Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/7278532/Jews-leave-Swedish-city-after-sharp-rise-in-anti-Semitic-hate-crimes.html#
Thanks for setting me straight with your brilliant rebuttal.
The article didn't mention they were underdressed, nor middle-eastern. now the pure assumption they were denied entrance because they looked dark IS in fact RACISM!
Should i tell the story about the white-stingy-underdressed man who tried to touch my privates in one of the best clubs in stockhom then was punched by my Swedish (yet arab looking) friend?.. Nah, i doubt anyone will get my point!
That is why they did not let him enter...
And btw you should tell your theory to this Waqas. Tell him that his assumption that he was not let in because he had "foreign ethnic" appearance is in fact racist and he should pay damages to the club.
The majority of people who are commenting here, who actually work in the industry give the doormen just cause to this situation. When people come to a country and are told that they do not have to change their ways, act as you did in your home country, there are going to be issues. Another goal scored for the Multicultural police state.
All the white nightclub experts are conveniently ignoring this part of the story. "Oh no, its not racism. If they were not in a group, they would have been allowed in." You can throw around other silly arguments since most of you are white and have never been on the other side of this issue, but this one is beyond stupid.
but then again before the even ask me a word i always hand them my canadian licence, it does the trick just fine.lol
I almost punched an arab guy to pulp the other nite for harrasing a girl and calling her names just because she dident wanna dance with him...what a bunch of ....
he goes with other WHITE Swedish friends and sometimes just him with his WHITE Swedish girlfriend. Often the Group or just the couple is barred, but if the mixed skin group is barred and the white skinned members go back without their dark skinned friends, they get in OK.
To all you so called experts spouting some much crap here a question
Is this racism or what?
So what do you say when you are not being 'delicate'
You are certainly one racist SOB
You also own a business that employs only immigrants and you let an arab accountant manage your business affairs and congolese lawyer sign on contracts for you....
Oh, no? So until then - STFU..
Of course the suffering of 30 million kurds never crossed your mind. The suffering of millions of christians in muslim lands never bothered the grand liberal. The suffering of shia population in Yemen at this very moment never took a minute of sleep from the amazing freedom lover.
It is just the jewish state that aches in the teeth of iraniboy - the leader in tolerance. Just the jewish state's very existence has been on the mind of the second to no one, but Ghandi, iraniboy (and on this I can quote you). What may be the reason for this lover of Jews? Mmmm.... I cannot think of anything....
Yep. I surely would have lost in the court room against such a white pigeon.
One question - why "wannabe uncle"? Why - wannabe? Who wants or does not want to be an uncle?
You are one big racist SOB One does not need to have kids in an ethnic diverse school or employ Arabs. I happen to live in a very ethnically diverse Kommun but what give me much more insight and empathy in the matter is that I am a Whit man with a BLACK son. He has held a Swedish passport since the he was 6 months, speaks fluent Swedish and has done his military service for Sweden. He dresses smart and is over 25 BUT is discriminated against by Racist Sib's like you.
You have nailed your racist flag clearly to the mast . The words that come out of your mouth have the same smell as what comes out of your mouth. So STFU because the stench is terrible
guys in sweatpants == guys in different skin? Those are comparable in your world?
Like Rick Methven has pointed out, you guys luck insight into this issue because you've never looked at the other side of the situation. Your view is warped and limited. Like I said before, you only have the oppressors view.
Wonderful tirade. Continue to show yourself in this light! It is a pleasure to see you spitting and fuming like a which in a cartoon.
He is discrminated because of SOB's who came to Sweden and increased the crime rate by hundreds of percent. He is discriminated because of SOB's who burn cars, who beat up swedish kids in schools by ganging up on them, because of SOB's who attack firefighters and police, who are making entire communities in Sweden to un away from huge parts of cities.
Morons like you refuse to understand that if one is attacked by a bear, or even HEARD of one who is attacked by a bear, he will stay away of forests. It is called self preservation. I am sorry to hear about your son, but if he has 1% more brains than you, he himself understands why people discriminate him even in the MOST advanced society in the world.
I have two nigerian friends with a PhD (biology and IT systems). Both are team leaders in huge companies and are loaded with money.
They themselves are avoiding any contact with Somalians, cannot imagine themselves sending their kids to a non-private school and think exactly the same about the behaviour of the refugees here in Sweden.
It is not fair - I agree, but this is f.. life and in order to change it, change the cause of this.
I think this sentence encapsulates your thinking process: "Morons like you refuse to understand that if one is attacked by a bear, or even HEARD of one who is attacked by a bear, he will stay away of forests."
You refuse to deeply analyze the problems and rather have an easy good against evil analysis. Also, you like to generalize, US against THEM. That's a sign of an undeveloped logic (and maybe even brain).
Cheers!
I am describing why people feel the way they feel and why there is discrimination in general public. The reasons are much simpler than your liberal mind fantasises. That is exactly why 140 millions in Russia dislike US, why 300 million in US dislike arabs, why europeans dislike refugees, etc.
Or it is very complicated... Mmm.
Another master piece of generalization! Way to go.
I don't disagree that are some simple reasons for the hates going around, but I am strongly much against simplifications such as 140 million Russians dislike US or 300milion US dislike Arabs. Stating an obviously wrong fact like those often only discredits your entire comments even if you have some good points.
What I mean is that if it is possible for many liberal anti-discrimination activists here to claim that in SWEDEN blacks face discrimination (not "from specific individuals" and not "in specific situations", but "in Sweden" or "from swedes") it is as valid to say why "swedes" feel the way they do and why "in sweden" there is some sort of behaviour.
The same for Russia (media reports increasing dislike of US. Latest poll showed more than 70% of "strong dislike" and about 5% of like of US). If we are to b!tch about all swedes, we are to allow b!tching about all the immigrants. Or?
In my opinion, Racism is the father of all generalization. It follows this line of argument: since there are people with a given ethnic background that behave "badly" (whatever that is), we hate all people from such background because they are all the same.
Therefore, I believe to step away from such group hatred, we need to start seeing people as humans and individuals.
so you have 2 Nigerian friends so you are not a racist but on the other hand you hate anybody who looks like he might come from the middle east. and claim that 300 million Americans share your view.LOL
Your are a racist QED
So you must have a real great ability to be able to sort out who is trash or not.
How do you determine if somebody who dresses smart has money and speaks the language fluently without an accent is trash or not?
Of course I know the answer if he is slightly dark skinned, has a hooked nose then of course he must be trash. LOL
Admit it you are one big racist SOB
Yes, some prejudices are there and they are to some extend useful. I don't suggest to be naïve. I have middle eastern background and even I trust Swedes much more than an Iranian or an Arab for example when I am buying second hand stuff. As you said, it is a game of probability. It is more likely to be screwed by an middle eastern compared to Swedes.
Racism in my opinion is more serious because it is a deep hatred rather being careful. It is about dehumanization of the other people. It is a sort of feeling that allows normal people to kill the other side without feeling bad resulting in holocaust, or genocide.
So, yes, be careful when doing a business with Iranian but don't hate them! I strongly recommend all of you to see the movie called Farsan which is in cinema now. I think this movie is very successful in showing what I just said.
You just undermine the general view of the "more educated open-minded liberals".
Oopps. did I generalise again? And think that most people think the same? Oh, I am sorry..
ATT - you are mixing everything with everything. Racism is not necessarily nazism. Racism does not mean killing everyone but yourself and alike you. By saying that you are careful with Iranis, but less careful with swedes, means that you draw immediate conclusions based on race and therefore - you are a racist. Or rather - "appearist", because you will probably be as careful with an arab as with dodgy looking swede.
However so am I, and every other reasonable person (except the all loving and peaceful Rickie there, who never assumed anything based on appearance, because he is the most open minded person ever, but curses people he never met like they were his colleagues back at the vegetables market).
I didn't say that Racism is Nazism but rather I was refering to the deep dislike or hatred or more importantly dehumanization. If this result in a decision to actively eliminate the other party, or not is a different thing.
Such hatred is not present when one prejudices another person based on appearance. Using prejudice, one adjusts its behavior to the environment given previous experiences (as @CanadianInSweden put it, prejudice is a risk management).
So, I still insist that they are different.
Im not racist at all. im a realist,we i realize we dont live in a perfect world where everyone is good and you do what you need to do to protect yourself and yours from dangers based on opinions from your and others experiences.
so according to rick im a racist against great whites too i guess because i wont jump in the water with one,it might not eat me but there is good enough reason to believe it might from others experiences.
So was Hitler
"I am against generalization regardless if it is for what I believe in or against it. Statements like Swedish people are racist are so obviously wrong that they don't even need a response.
In my opinion, Racism is the father of all generalization. It follows this line of argument: since there are people with a given ethnic background that behave "badly" (whatever that is), we hate all people from such background because they are all the same.
Therefore, I believe to step away from such group hatred, we need to start seeing people as humans and individuals"
"Therefore, I believe to step away from such group hatred, we need to start seeing people as humans and individuals" "
EXACTLY
The problem with canadianinSweden is that he does not see an individual to him if you are not white Caucasian you are in his words trash irrespective of how look or behave he takes the attitude that because there are some non-white immigrants that misbehave then ALL non whites are trash.
as far as Uncle is concerned he is just another white trash racist. Just take a look at the posts that he has made. The same theme even the same old tired clichés that he has been using like an old vinyl record with the needle stuck in the same groove
Anyway as for Americans and our problem with the illegal immigrant problem with Mexico. For many of us it isn't anything to do with skin color. It's money pure and simple, they are illegal, to work here they steal someone's identity, and let me tell you that is a real nightmare. Because they use a stolen identity many play the system, while both parents are emloyed they also collect welfare and other benefits under different names. And yes I know this to be a fact, the state knows it to be a fact, but federal law forbids them to ask one simple question : are you here illegally. Our hospitals are closing ( they aren't allowed to refuse treatment but aren't reimbursed when illegals don't pay), our schools are in trouble, etc. And the argument they do work others won't do. well try that one on someone who's son didn't go to work one day and find out the boss was firing all his skilled workers and hiring illegals for less money and under the table.
Finally, I find it amazing how often you Europeans point to America as examples of racism, I've read your posts and newspapers. As a woman with brown skin I'll take my chances right here in America.
However I am deeply saddened that Sweden has apparently allowed large numbers of immigrants to acumulate in your country. This is the downside of always attempting to follow '' Liberal '' ideas and policies.
You really should be alert to the real risks of loosing your own country's culture and identity through the thoughtless admission of vast numbers of immigrants. My own politics are Conservative. You appear to be locked into a bogus ''enlightened'' liberal way of thinking that you dare not break out of for fear of the opposition from the Left.
We in Britain have allowed our immigrant communities to reach arond 5 million of Third World origin ( Pakistani, Indian, Nigerian etc.). Plus around 1 1/2 million Eastern Europeans.
this is beginning to arose huge tensions in Britain. I suggest you look to the lessons of the British experience with immigration to see what it holds for Sweden. Racism is a meaningless term whe it confronts with the loss of your own country's identity. These changes can happen with astonishing rapidity.
Furthermore, I doubt very much that anyone here knows the facts of the story better than the APPELLATE COURT, the group of extremely well-educated and intelligent individuals who decided in favour of the plaintiffs...Cut the bs - it was a racist / discriminatory act. Whether you agree or not with one's right to perpetrate such an act or the bouncers' internal motivation, it is irrelevant...Let's not convolute the facts. Call a spade a spade!
@ Alasdair MacCorquodale - My brother has been living in UK for 5 years now. Works in an American oil and gas firm and has origins from one of the third world nations you mentioned.
"this is beginning to arose huge tensions in Britain" Please name a few!
" Mr. Methven you are a racist, apparently against your own race. Only a racist would use such an offensive term as white trash to describe another human. You can't tell me that you haven't judged someone based on the colorof their skin"
White trash refers to the sort of white Americans who DO discriminate on the basis of colour how about the KKK how would you describe them?
With regard to judging somebody based on the colour of their skin You obviously do. If you read more of my posts, you would see that I am the White father of a dark skinned boy. I have travelled all over the world to some 88 countries with people of all colours, ethnicity religions. My guiding philosophy has always been and always will be is to judge a person on who he is rather than who he appears to be. Colour is only skin deep. There are people of all race who I like and dislike. Not on the basis of how they look but on the basis of what they do and what they say
@thelocal
funny you guys printing an article like this when ALL of the pics in your hot spots are swedish looking people...definitely not reflecting the demographic of your readers neither of the swedish population
@blackman_for_blondes
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY GROSS. Get yourself out of mental slavery..do you think you have 'arrived' inlife because your able to pick up a blonde??? Your actions are what perpetuate stereotypes..what other women are not good enough for u...god...youre human vomit!
As for the KKK I would describe them the same as any other racist group.Horribly misguided, and even dangerous. Like it or not white trash is an offensive term. Over here not used just to describe a member of the KKK, but any poor white person.
And I did read your other posts sir and certainly did pick up on the number of times you referred to yourself as a white father of a dark skinned son. I am myself of native american descent, my husband is of Scottish and Irish descent( born in Londonderry), as a result our children are very varied in looks. And we have experienced racism, from many different sources. In one a mexican child at my sons school took to following him around and calling him N-g--r. when we reported it the principal actually looked at my brown skinned son, with the soft afro, and said" You must be mistaken, Eric's Mexican he wouldn't do something like that." Leaving me and the adult witness stunned. I didn't even know what to say to her belief that only whites are racist. While I've travelled no where near as much as you I have done so and I have witnessed racism in many places from many sources, and no I didn't judge you by your skin color but by your words.
You're right colour is only skin deep, That's why whenever a form of any kind asks for race my family always writes down the same answer: human. If it asks for ethnic group there's just one answer for us: American. After all anywhere we travel that's what we are always identified as. And these answer really bugs the government types that want to classify us. I'll be putting them on my US census forms again this year.
Thanks for spreading the word.
"As for the KKK I would describe them the same as any other racist group.Horribly misguided, and even dangerous."
No, really? Dangerous? The group responsible for the sustained harrassment and deaths of non-whites, dangerous? Get out.
And "starting fights with the Swedish guys that defend the women" - are you sure it's not the (white) Swedes starting the fights themselves - after all, they are "your" women. Wouldn't want a dirty foreigner chatting up, and heaven forbid, SLEEPING with a white Swedish beauty, eh?
The worst thing about whites (not just Swedes, but all Europeans, Brits and Yanks) is that they refuse to accept racism and discrimination is happening - they pass it off as something else, make a joke, because hey - it won't effect them ever - they're white after all.
The fact is, white populations are still extremely insular in their thought processes. Never mind the laws that supposedly make everyone equal, the majority of whites not only dislike non-whites, but believe they are inferior to them in every way. Therefore when they see a couple such as that mentioned above of the non-white male with the white female (never mind if she's Swedish) the white men in particular get all huffy and possessive about it.
This is in stark contrast to other developed countries of the world with non-white majorities - Singapore, Dubai, Spain are good examples - a large but minority white community, and guess what? They all group together, belittle the locals, complain they don't speak English, think they are superior to the rest... they are let into nightclubs (even the poor, scruffy ones) and they get to talk to the local women without the native men "defending" them - compared to non-whites in white countries, they are given a free ride!
The reasons these clubs they don't allow these guys is simply because that's not what the market demand. Period. No point trying to turn this around into some debate on racism.
Girls in those clubs (if the club are more "trendy") mostly want to see hot, non-ethnic guys (not: short guys, not; ugly guys, not: old creeps guys but 'hot' non-ethnic guys) so that is what the "management" (i.e: the bouncers at the door) will let in mostly Offer and demand. Are you going to also going to take legal action against the club for discriminating against unattractive people?
Of course, you may take this to court, in some cases you may even "win" your case but ultimately, the club's clientele will just move to another club and you'll have accomplished nothing besides winning a few bucks.
Blame girls for having preferences (although that would be pointless of you) don't blame the owner or doorman who is just catering to their clients' preferences (and hey, tough luck if those preferences don't include you)
You have to remember that 'if' they let the arab guys in, they might take the risk that these guys might start approaching girls, making them flee the place faster than you can say it. Me and a some friends had some of these guys (mostly arabs) trying to pick us up. We had to call security because they can be persistent. These guys imagine that occidental girls are attracted to them, when they realized they are not they do not always react well (fortunately we mostly get hot guys approaching us) You can imagine what kind of problems arise as a result of them. Most girls in clubs would rather not deal with these undesirable modern unadapted. Bottom line: No girls = no guys. No girls and guys = no cash. No cash = out of business. Not a smart business move huh? If you want to (and I quote) "Fight Racism" take it elsewhere, you're not going to make girls attracted to you by threatening with legal action.
If you're into blaming might as well blame the fact that ultimately, you're not considered hot. Hell, blame your parents for not paying attention in sexual education classes but don't blame the clubs because that's just you being stupid.