February 14, 2012
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The European Commission's proposed new directive on maternity leave is well-meaning but fatally flawed, argues Minister for EU Affairs Birgitta Ohlsson.
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"The ice dripped in the winter sun. It was the first day when the light had been intense enough to cause dripping in the sunlight. To hear it was an extraordinary wakeup call. The cycle was happening again as it always does, always will (or so we think). I imagined that on my summer island, the bees..." READ »
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Fin means anyhting from sweet to proper. When someone says, Du är så fin it's quite a compliment.
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By saying that I mean, anything forced is bad. Each family should deside themselves how they want to raise their children or in some cases how they want the state to raise their children.
Also the polititians always talk about what is best for the wife or husband. But I never hear anything about what is best for the child. I would like to hear what a child psychologist has to say.
my two cents
Some mothers want to escape from home (out of post natal depression or just boring or just trying to escape), but this is not good for their children. Kids needs their mothers. Mothers can t decide whilst some of them don t know the scientific facts. Kids are growing better with their mothers. How can a mother in post-partum depression know what is good for her family???
Kids needs their mothers for a better mental or physical growing, even if they live in not so good family environment caused by some not so happy parents.
Birgitta Ohlsson must learn the facts before she speaks. Those leftist kind kind of views...
By the way, I'm really fed up of people trying to decide what's good for us, women... It's counterproductive, often cruel and definitely passé...
You got it all wrong.
IT IS NOT ONLY ABOUT WOMEN RIGHTS, IT IS ABOUT CHILDREN S RIGHTS TOO.
At least you re not the only one wrong. Minister for EU Affairs Birgitta Ohlsson doesn t understand the real problem, and she take money for her job.
The mother s touch is the most important thing for babies health!!!!!!!!!
There s a lot studies proving that. I m not giving you any link, find em yourself. It will help you. It is right for you to have control of your life, but please, don t try to save the women of this world against their babies. Most of them are happy living with their babies.
Oh, not to forget, it will help you to be a free person, to find the right man. But it will be your duty to take care of your babies no matter what your man thinks and does...
I think that parental leave is something that families should decide for theselves
'On a personal level, if the proposal were to come into force it would prevent me from working. As a mother-to-be I would have had to turn down my new job as Swedish Minster for EU Affairs.'
Any piece of legislation that has the effect of preventing a qualified person from taking up a post would class as discriminatory under existing EU legislation. I suspect however that what she is doing her in reality is stating that she would decide to turn down the post otherwise why get so stressed about something to contestable? At some level she needs to sort herself out.
World Health Organization has recommended three to six months of exclusive breastfeeding because breast milk is far superior to the formula which Ollson is planning to feed her baby with. Breast-milk protects the infant from many types of infection such as ear and throat infections and common cold (also many more other benefits). Formula fed infants have a higher chance of being fat as adults. In the US about 20% of mothers breast feed. (They are mainly highly educated and better off population, and mainly whites, who breastfeed.) In Sweden the corresponding figure for breastfeeding rate is about 60%. Again the majority who are keen to breastfeed in Sweden are educated folks. The obesity rates for the two countries are 60% for the US and 20% for Sweden.
6 weeks? What is the problem? Month and a half is a problem to stay with a baby, who is by definintion of nature is underdeveloped and should have been in the stomach for few months longer, if not our "walking on two" decision?
Will month and a half harm careers of the career women? Will this abscence kick her out of being up to date on the work and therefore - expandable? What kind of bull is this?
In that case, these kind of women should not have children. They will anyways invest very little time and attention for the kids and the children will be only a hinderance on the way of these women to the top of the world (oh, yeah, the little bastards actually have genetical predisposition to seek attention of their mothers more than fathers the first few years)! What is the point then?
This law does not only defend women to keep their workplace, but also makes irresponsible women to sit and try and bond with the result of a drunk night and forgotten pill. Could not be better.
"Will month and a half harm careers of the career women?"
"In that case, these kind of women should not have children"
AMEN!
Minister for EU Affairs Birgitta Ohlsson is so far away from the people who pays for her salary. Away from the scientific facts. Away from common sense.
"Yesterday evening I saw a film about the British author C.S.Lewis and his life in Oxford during the 1950s. In one scene Lewis takes his American fiancé to the university Christmas party and they engage in a discussion with one of Lewis' colleagues. The colleague holds a long monologue on the differences between men and women and argues that which the man has in his head the woman has in her emotional life, that men's rationality is equivalent to women's emotionality. In response to this Lewis' fiancé replied: 'Are you being rude or just mere stupid?'
So my question to you Alex Coman, Uncle et al - Are you being rude or just mere stupid?
I have a feeling that whenever a person expresses not exactly feminist views here in Sweden, the females start be all shocked and bang about unrelated stuff. So say, stenhuggaren, what was so rudely disregarded in my little chauvinist mind? What didn't I consider when I plunged women so willfully into the 6 weeks of this hell of taking care of their newborn?
I would even agree and legally make men stay 6 weeks at home in the second year of the child's life.
Feminists are so f... dumb, square and conformistic that even the word "woman" disturbs them. So far, women are becoming more and more stressed, depressed, miserable, lonely, addicted, conflicting, while men just work less and less, invest more into their hobbies, do not feel uncomfortable with leaving the family, become less stressed and have more time to invest into their kids.
Idiotic trade, that most of women do not support at all. Disregarding obvious things leads women from one vulnerable position into a worse one, while feminists continue to press on women in order to achieve "mental equality".
The minister is not arguing against parental leave, she is arguing that legislation is not the best way to decide how care is given to a child - the parents own that right.
Birgitta Ohlsson is neither saying that her own child will fend for itself - she has repeatedly said that she is married to a modern man who is more than able and willing to ensure that together they are able to provide the child the care that it needs.
If you really think depression, stress, vulnerability, isolation, loneliness, paternal absenteeism are post-feminist phenomena then let's start with something simple - watch a movie - I would suggest two - The Hours and Far from Heaven.
Not that it is any of your business - my partner and I each spent 9-12 months at home with every one of our three children. It didn't keep all of the conditions to which you refer above entirely away but it sure gave us the energy and time to deal with it.
Now as the minister is patently not saying what you claim, and your anti-feminist diatribe is simply logically implausible, I refer to my previous question - Are you being rude or just plain stupid?
Keep up the good work, Birgitta.
Yes, man, you said it, she is good looking. But somehow, she need to be much more than that.
@stenhuggaren
How sad it would be to see a feminist without hysteria symptoms...
I understand you know things from movies. Ok, but that doesn t help much, I see. Do something good for you, read some books about child psychology, about how much a child needs his mother.A child deprived temporary of a mother loses all sense of direction, security, and love. It is almost impossible to imagine the emotional scarring which takes place or the possible ramifications. It does not matter whether the loss is permanent or temporary-the result is the same!
I wander,in the first 9-12 months of your children life, were you, or your husband with them?
Lady, people are not just stupid or rude. Some of us are different by those you know.
Not to forget-it will help you not to insult people you don t know.
The parents do NOT own that right, stenhuggaren. The government is actually taking kids from parents whose decisions are inadequate, according to the opinion of the government. Leaving a newborn with the male partner in the first 6 weeks of his/her life is precisely the inadequacy that some members of the government define as unacceptable.
In addition, you have clearly not read the article, because Birgitta is banging on about the unfairness towards women in Europe for 3/4 of this article. Should I quote an article just above, or would you like to read it in the commercials time? (I would not like to distract you from the next movie). Let me help: "Millions of women..." "Career or family..." "Getting women into the workplace..." bla bla bla.
Birgittas opinion is that the law should not specify the 6 weeks because of a feminist PRINCIPLE. Not common sense, will of the majority of the population or childrens' needs. A PRINCIPLE. Therefore her opinion is rubbish. Your opinion is not even in the right direction and my anti-feminist diatribe is more than logically plausible.
BTW, how is it going for Feminist Initiative? Scraped 2% yet, or not?
And btw, I just read in Metro an article by Hillevi Wahl who talks of female depression issue. She brings the words of a psychologist Christin Mellner who says that a direct connection between more extensive equality and lower self-esteem and depression with women was proven by recent research. So even the all winning "movie" argument was shoved into the toilet here.
Perfect.
Before we start - important to remember that research is about testing a hypothesis and not simply coming up with one. I will not pretend to "prove" anything, just point you gently in the direction of further research - there's plenty, don't worry.
Let's start with something gentle - from Time (people actually pay for that one):
www.time.com/time/archive/collections/0,21428,c_women,00.shtml
Here's a book - http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/13/the-spirit-level - not really about the subject at hand but hey it is research.
and here's another one from Hillevi on the roaring success of the women's movement: www.metro.se/2010/02/23/35607/tidningarna-inte-mer-rumsrena-an-teat/index.xml
not perfect, but a start...
Do women usually, not men, breastfeed their children?
Do their bodies usually made different hormones, than men bodies?
Are women somehow specially designed, or better designed, to raise their chidren, by nature?
How come all these simple things are, de facto, somehow, neglected by feminist movement?
They want the same ... what? The feminist agenda is set to fight everything to achieve the final victory, even against common sense?
Is just a strong belief of mine that men , ussually, could t be better prepared do raise their children than their mothers could do?
Or is this is the reallity.
Earth to Stenhuggaren!
We come in peace, don t take us to your leader!
Aren't you ashamed? No, really - AREN'T YOU?
You give me an article about sexual harassment of women in theater and try to present it as something that answers to my arguments? Are you nuts?
Also, what is the connection of the wonderful articles there to the issue? They do not disprove that women nowadays in the western world are more stressed and depressed than everywhere else. They neither argument that a woman shall not stay with her baby for the first 2 months at home.
These articles are a tool for slow and not so bright women to assist them arguing that feminism improved the situation of women. However you are not listening. Nobody said that taking the woman from half-slavery and making her a real member of the society is not good. The argument is that it has gone too far. It is as relevant as fighting for the rights of slaves in US. THERE ARE NO SLAVES in US.
Parties like FI are irrelevant. They make women work harder and harder and be lonelier and lonelier. They hurt women more directly than any chauvinist man ever dreamed of. No one votes for FI. WHY not, if they are so wonderful?
The law above protects children.
THEY are the most important and not YOU. You live in order to make better versions of yourself and not in order to eat popcorn in front of the TV and think that you are so wonderful because you are a woman.
Now, with health insurance here being as expensive as it is, sometimes as much as a house payment, I think it is very hard for young mothers here to do that. Be happy that you still can.
While obviously you never stopped being rude, your reference to research in a previous post I took to mean that you were prepared to do something about your stupidity - I was clearly mistaken.
I am going to let you go now - clearly your problems run far too deep to be addressed here.
In regards to rudeness, instead of answering me, go and scan your postings before - starting FROM THE VERY FIRST ONE. Or is it that for the fragile female it is OK to refer to people like drunk truck driver? Oh, I forgot - in real life no one actually answers to your insults. Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay...
No one is either saying that women could not, should not, will not take care of their babies. Bigitta Olsson here is saying just what Tutu appeals for above - that the responsibility for the care of the children lies with the parents, not with the state. Anyone who knows anything about BO's politics will realise that this is utterly consistent with her liberal (in the UK English sense) views.
This law will not make an abusive, neglectful parent into a good one. And for you biologists up there - if it was all just animal nature, why would anyone see fit to need this law in the first place?
In nature…in the woods, the cow elk still takes care of the calf. Somehow in the harsh winter she finds food and a place to rest to keep her offspring safe. The family structure is still intact. Its natures way.