Opposition parties pull away: poll

Good luck Sverigedemokraterna!

It seems swedes are waking up and this country still has a hope.

I wonder If the left would reverse the privatization drive began by the right.

You guys know that "Sverigedemokraterna" is a nazi party? (i am from sweden so i know)

AdamVikingen

You guys know that "Sverigedemokraterna" is a nazi party? (i am from sweden so i know)

This is what you are told by the current political parties (this is a threat to their jobs) and the media it makes good reading, and makes the media feel like they have control.

It does not matter where you come from it's the same sorry the world over.

Before you mention Nazi's you really need to understand what they stand for, by this I mean German Nazis of the 30s and 40s.

I dread the thought of any Nazi's taking over anywhere in the world, but if they did and behaved like the Nazi's we know of, they would soon by kicked out.

I think these so called national parties are sick and tired of Sweden's or any other country's culture and rights being eroded away. Many people around the world feel threatened by immigrants and what comes with some of them, many people are frightened to speech out publicly, and this is why national parties around the world are getting stronger. You should watch what some of these migrant protesters are writing on banners etc. In the UK recently, there were banners saying "go to hell British police", the police are there to protect us, they are part of our society, when they say things like that, is a direct threat to us.

Great Scott

You are right that the 'nationalists' are a insecure and frightened group of people....Its not easy to live in a constantly changing world and some of us can therefore fall victim to the stupidity of xenophobia, racism, nationalism...However, its good news that the left-green parties likely will win the general election!

@Sjayna

Do not treat people like fools; there is nothing stupid about people's feelings or beliefs. I am by far not a believer of xenophobia, racism or nationalism. But I do find your attitude of calling people "stupid" for being concerned about what's happing in the world rather alarming, you are treating people no different to the 3 categories you have mentioned. If a private ballot was to be held today in any European country today, about how times have changed in their country, it would be very surprising. And the proof is the growth of national party's. I am a believer of "when in Rome do as the Romans do".

Sjayna,

Having pride in your country's culture and history and wishing to preserve it is not racist. It is sad that in Sweden, if you wave a Swedish flag on a non-holiday "open" minded people equate that to being a Nazi. Now that is stupid.

Cant wait for bag woman to get in and those higher taxes. Looking forward to seeing all those small businessess going bust and their employees living off benifits the taxes will create. Wil be so good to have less money to spend and teach me to save the 5kr ive got a end of the week. Will be great to see all those evil rich people leaveing to fo live elsewhere too, serves them righr for having money and working hard!

Calebian22,

I agree with you,that being proud of your culture/history and wishing to preserve it, is not racism. And who cares if somebody wants to wave a Swedish flag...I am not a believer of 'When in Rome do as the Romans do', traditions/cultur is personal and not limited to borders of countries. My philosophy is 'Practise your traditions/cultur at home, with your family/friends but dont force your 'lifestyle' on me.' I don't think its ok for exemple that in Sweden they celebrate Lucia in preschool etc. Why don't they in that case also for exemple celebrate Islamic new year?

The answer to that is simple. Celebrating Lucia in Sweden really has little to do with religion at this point for most people. It is part of Sweden's history and culture to celebrate Lucia. Celebrating the Islamic New year is not a historical tradition in Sweden.

@Sjayna

You have not been following the plot, it is Sweden you are talking about, Sweden has a great heritage and culture, and it is this that must be preserved. The reason the Islamic New Year is not celebrated in Sweden (or as a matter of fact, not celebrated in any other euopopian country is that Europe is not an Islamic state, and never will be). People who come to Europe mush respect the local culture, if people do not like it then they are free to leave. If I go to an Islamic country do I have the right of trial by jury, can I open a pub, can I celebrate an English year in an Islamic state and do I have the freedom of speech, NO.

@Sjayna

I would also like to add that your none believe in “When in Rome do as the Romans do” shows total disrespect and arrogance.

I want that they keep that kind of celebrations away from school etc...My point is either you are born in Sweden or an immigrant living in Sweden, people should practise their traditions in private.

Great Scott

I respect the people who wants to preserve their culture, even if I THINK culture are not static. But I also demand that they respect me and my traditions. Its a big difference between respect and assimilation. As you wrote Sweden is not an Islamic country, so we don't need to act like them ....

Sjayna,

Demanding respect is rarely the route to gaining respect. Complaining about the norms of Swedish culture but then expecting acceptance of your culture is unreasonable. As immigrants in Sweden, we need to respect the public traditions of Sweden. This is not your country of origin, so you need to adjust to Sweden, not the other way around.

@Sjayna

You just don't get it do you, events such as Lucia or Christmas are not private events in Sweden or anywhere in Europe. It is right that all young people should be educated in such events; this is heritage handed down generation by generation. When immigrants arrive in a European country, first they must respect the privilege of being there and secondly except the local traditions.

calebian22, you have put it perfectly and Sjayna if you do not start to accept what is being said to you, then you will continue to have problems. Just think about how lucky you are to be living in a secure country.

Great Scott, events such as Lucia SHOULD be 'private' events.. its time to change that... its NOT ok that young children are 'forced' this kind of celebrations...Even if as Lucia has little to do with religion at this point ... Continue to have problems? What do mean by that? I respect your lifestyle so you have to respect mine...Refugees who come to Sweden don't have to act like thankful beggars!

Sjayna,

It is not time to change Swedish traditions to suit immigrant's or refugee's cultures. We are visitors here. You seem to have a problem with doing things that are part of Sweden's history and culture. You don't have the right to demand that Sweden mold itself to your cultural desires. Practice your culture and traditions in your home as is your right, but don't expect Sweden to throw away it's public traditions to appease you. That is very ethnocentric and arrogant of you to expect this and precisely the reason that the SD's are gaining political momentum.

@Sjayna

Once again calebian22 is right.

While you continue to ignore the advice that is being given to you, you are making problems for yourself; you are in another country that is NOT yours. It belongs to the people that live there, they are the ones that decide what is right and what is wrong, NOT you. If I was to go to Iran and DEMANDED that my children were not to be taught about Ramadan, what you think would happen? If I went to Saudi Arabia and DEMANED that I must have the right to open a pub, what you think would happen? To some people a pub is their place of worship.

Regarding your comment about beggars, you are having a laugh. You are given the right to live in Sweden, you have the right to learn Swedish for free, you are helped with accommodation and living expenses, and the right to work. Where in all that is the word begging. I suggest if you don't like it in Sweden or you feel the system does not suit your requirements, then you go back to where you came from. Sweden is NOT going to change just to please you, understand that and accept it; you are NOT going to change anything. And I must remind you that every time you come on here writing so much crap, you are making the Sverigedemokraterna even stronger.

Great Scott and calebian22 are correct.

The reason why parties like SD are achieving so much is because of people like Sjayna coming to Sweden and trying to change things to match the country they ran from. It is only natural (there is a little Italy and Chinatown in NY for example) but trying to make changes to policy to adopt beliefs and do away with traditions that go back hundreds of years is cause for alarm.

I am an immigrant here and there are many things that I do not agree with, but if I was to fight for the majority to adopt to my individual traditions and actions it would simply foster hate.

I want Sjayna to answer Great Scott's question about the same situation in reverse. What if the situations were reversed, would these countries allow for Swedish values and traditions to be adopted?

Some of the politicians are arguing that SD are causing segregation, well Sjayna, your talk of removing Lucia from schools is talk of segregation, and if it was to happen in some schools, then Swedes would remove their children from those schools. Segregation.

Come to this country, and adapt. Assimilation is not necessary today, but some form of adaptation is.

Great Scott and Calebian are right.

@Sjayna

If you move to another country it's YOUR responsibilty to adapt to and respect that culture. It's not the country's or the people of that country to change for you. You made the choice to move to a foriegn land, if you don't like the culture there move back to where you came from.

Sweden goes out of it's way to adapt to the wants of refugees and immigrants. It even says in that stuipd welcome book that Sweden should make changes for you but that you as an immigrant doesn't have to change for Sweden.

As an immigrant I thought that was absolutly ridiculous. What country besides Sweden says that? You definately wouldn't get that if you moved to an islamic country. But like others have said "When in Rome..."

People are tired of being accused of being nazis because they want to perserve their traditions. It's bs. It has nothing to due with being racist or xenophobic for most people. There is nothing wrong with being proud that you are Swedish and taking pride in your traditions. The same goes for almost any other country in the world. Different cultures and lifestyles are what make the world interesting.

The reason swedishdemocrats and similar groups all over the EU are gaining popularity is because people are tired of politicians like Mona Sahlin and everyone who agrees with her trying to make them feel bad for being who they are.

Why is it okay for refugees to be proud of where they came from and want to keep their traditions , even when they clash horribly with western society, but not for swedes or brits? More so, why do the politicians push this and why do some people support it?

Everyone deserves to be treated equally and to be respected, but it needs to be a 2 way street and whatever country you're in at the time should dictate how you behave and interact, at least in public. No one should be ashamed or be afraid to try and hold on to their traditions, especially at home.

calebian22, soultraveler3, Great Scott, svenskdod,

NO, I am NOT a visitor here, Sweden belongs to everybody who lives here, independent where you come from. Off course as a immigrant I have to adapt to some point, BUT the Swedish society have to also make changes depending of the composition of the population...For example: Sweden has lot of non-believers and many different religious groups..so why not remove the 'Lucia day' from preschool/school and let the Swedish church offer Lucia celebration?!...I am convinced this will anyway be happen relatively soon and I believe that it is ok for the majority of swedes...

We are in Sweden, NOT in Iran or Saudi Arabia...In sweden you have the possibility to influence the politics and its my RIGHT and responsibility to say my opinion, even if I am an immigrant...You know, in that way things maybe can get better...And my opinion is that the different cultures/traditions should be integrated into the swedish culture (adaptation from both sides) rather than bringing the minorities into the majority lifestyle...I like Sweden but many things should be changed...Development is natural...

Nationalist groups as SD proclaims that immigration, multiculturalism and racial diversity threats Swedens future, culture and national identy. In an effort to reach a broader audience, this groups use more 'clean' and social accepted methods, but still their beliefs are the same as the open Nazi groups beliefs. The SD consists of a little group of people who can't accept (or maybe they don't understand) that culture just as national identity is dynamic, NOT static...Fortunately majority of the swedish people don't agree with their stupid racistic policy.

@Sjayna,

I often say that to assume is the mother of all F***ups, so I am going to go against my firm belief right now, but I assume you are from one of the lands we are suggesting here. An Islamic country, there I said it. If you are here, then you are leaving something for some reason. Often they are bad reasons, but I will not assume that in this case, merely suggest it as a possibility.

In saying this however, would that not mean leaving this country where things are so bad one must remove themselves from the place they have called home for so long, would that not mean that Sweden is a better country than said country?

Within this logic, why would you want to initiate a revolution of sorts in Sweden embracing the traits and traditions of a country we have already established is inferior to Sweden?

So the end game is an attempt to bring Sweden along the lines of the place of exodus. Somewhere with not much going for it.

I will never be a Swede, it is just a fact, but if I have children here, and they grow up here, then they will be Swedish. Today second or third generation children are still considering themselves from such and such a land, even if they have never visited the country or speak the language. Being proud in ones heritage is fine, but refusing to embrace the country of your birth as your home is being naive.

If we look at the purpose of immigration. It is to fill a void in the workplace. There is not enough people for the jobs. When was the last time someone complained that there was a lack of people in the workplace in Sweden? Immigration (from any country) is causing the unemployment rate in Sweden to increase.

If we then look at refugees. I am all for helping our fellow man, but take care of your own people first. Swedish government, fix the problems at home before you fix the world. China and Saudi have lots of money right now, maybe they can take in some refugees?

@soultraveler3, too right dude, I have that book too. When I got to that part I stopped reading.

This is getting stupid, when are you going to listen, you are now trying to tell 4 people that they are wrong. What on earth do you have against Lucia, it is the festival of light, it is celebrated in many counties around the world, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Malta, Italy, Bosnia, Bavaria, USA and Croatia etc. Do you want to stop all these countries too?

Lucia is a Swedish tradition; it is part of its heritage and culture. It will continue to be encouraged at schools, in work places, on TV and in churches whether you like it or not. Many people in Sweden may not believe in religion but still want to celebrate Lucia. It's only right that your children are bought up knowing all about Lucia; it's something all children love. Maybe you want your children to be thought of in a strange way, by that I mean odd, not knowing how to integrate with Swedes. All you are achieving is segregation.

You never answered my question regarding what I may want to do in other counties, you just side step it, and I want an answer.

The rest of your rant is utter garbage; you just don't understand do you, its people like you that are making nationalistic groups so strong.

There is one thing about the people of Sweden that you obviously don't know about, and that is they don't like change.

What do you want next, ban Christmas, ban Easter, ban New Year, ban midsummer, ban the Eurovision song contest, ban May Day, ban everything Swedish.

Remember the Swedes have welcomed you; they have provided for, it would be very easy for them to change that.

svenskdod,

If you move for example to Iran, then your are FORCED to assimilation!!! You can NOT compare Sweden with extreme islamic countries. If I had a child, I wouldn't exclude her/him from the Swedish society, I would offer both MY and the swedish culture for the child...BUT now way that I would accept that the society 'forced' them to take part of Lucia, church activities etc! If we look at the refugee policy... Sweden has hight standard of living and SHOULD continue its humane refugee policy. And the trend in Europe to 'close' borders must be OPPOSED! Don't you see (or don't you want to see) how spoiled most of the Swedish citizens are? They complain of the lack of money but at the same time they consume more and more, quite unaware that their life lack a bigger meaning! Yes, its VERY sad, that Japan and many other countries don't have a good refugee policy...

@Sjayna,

This is getting stupid, when are you going to listen, you are now trying to tell 4 people that they are wrong. What on earth do you have against Lucia, it is the festival of light, it is celebrated in many counties around the world, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Malta, Italy, Bosnia, Bavaria, USA and Croatia etc. Do you want to stop all these countries too?

Lucia is a Swedish tradition; it is part of its heritage and culture. It will continue to be encouraged at schools, in work places, on TV and in churches whether you like it or not. Many people in Sweden may not believe in religion but still want to celebrate Lucia. It's only right that your children are bought up knowing all about Lucia; it's something all children love. Maybe you want your children to be thought of in a strange way, by that I mean odd, not knowing how to integrate with Swedes. All you are achieving is segregation.

You never answered my question regarding what I may want to do in other counties, you just side step it, and I want an answer.

The rest of your rant is utter garbage; you just don't understand do you, its people like you that are making nationalistic groups so strong.

There is one thing about the people of Sweden that you obviously don't know about, and that is they don't like change.

What do you want next, ban Christmas, ban Easter, ban New Year, ban midsummer, ban the Eurovision song contest, ban May Day, ban everything Swedish.

Remember the Swedes have welcomed you; they have provided for, it would be very easy for them to change that.

@Sjayna

Where are you from, what made you a refugee.

“If you move for example to Iran, then your are FORCED to assimilation!!! You can NOT compare Sweden with extreme islamic countries”, this is utter waffle.

“If I had a child, I wouldn't exclude her/him from the Swedish society, I would offer both MY and the swedish culture for the child”, so what’s your problem, accept Lucia.

“If we look at the refugee policy... Sweden has hight standard of living and SHOULD continue its humane refugee policy” it will not if YOU keep ranting on.

“ And the trend in Europe to 'close' borders must be OPPOSED! Don't you see (or don't you want to see) how spoiled most of the Swedish citizens are?”. So the Swedes are now spoiled, and who is spoiling them. And Europe closing its borders, I am sure that will make 99% of Europeans very happy.

“They complain of the lack of money but at the same time they consume more and more, quite unaware that their life lack a bigger meaning!”. Sorry just cant work that one out.

“Yes, its VERY sad, that Japan and many other countries don't have a good refugee policy...”. I think Japan has a very good refugee policy, they just don’t want any problems, get my meaning.

Look if the Swedes will not bend over backwards to help you any more, let me know I can give you the times of the next boat leaving Europe.

Great Scott,

Lucia is only one example, there are other things too...for example the Church of Sweden should not have economic connection at all with the Swedish state. I don't care if millions of people want to celebrate Lucia, BUT do it private, by that I mean this kind of traditions should not be part of 'society services'!

Off course education about DIFFERENT religions are important, but that information you can get on school, from parents etc. And from my point of view also criticism is part of education...

You wrote:'Its people like you that are making nationalistic groups so strong'?! So you mean I should keep my mouth shut (not keep ranting on)...to please that kind of people? NEVER. I still believe that the number of the intelligent and good people are much higher than the number of bad individs. Sweden is on the the way to multiculturel society, so Sweden have to deal with that...SD has 2 main words : Accept or leave...Me, hundreds of thousands of immigrants and swedes either accept or leave...Its sad that their stupid policy only make thinks worse...And therefore their politic ideas should be confronted with impartial arguments/ debate!

It is MATTER OF COURSE that every country which has the possibility to help regugees also DO THAT...Refugee policy are NOT some kind of charity !!!

@Sjayna

I will ask you once again, where do you come from and what made you a refugee.

If you were not so single minded and arrogant people might listen to you, however if you are so lucky to be help by another country, and then want to dictate to that country what YOU want, I am afraid that won't happen.

Now get real and accept YOU are not going to change anything.

Sorry ,but I think the nationalist groups are the ones who baddly suffers of single-mindedness !'..if you are SO LUCKY to be help by another country..'?!! Off course the refugees are lucky when they get help, but they don't need to please the Swedish people. Not at all! And if I am a refugee or not, its TOTALLY unimportant...

@Sjayna

OK where do you come from.

Direction: East. Continent: Europe. Satisfied?

@Sjayna

OK, let's say Sweden stops educating people about Lucia in schools. Does this mean Sweden stops any education for any other festivals / celebrations from all other counties, because that's how I understand it? Then in your way of thinking, others forms of culture will not be known of either.

Sjayna,

You are right, that you can try and push and change things here in Sweden to fit your liking. Sweden is in fact a democracy as you pointed out. Once you gain the right to vote, make your choice of politicians. However, it is not racist or bigoted of Swedes to push back against you to preserve their unique culture and history, especially when you apparently have no respect for how things are done in Sweden. Hopefully at some point you will stop being ethnocentric and respect your new home.

By the way, refugee policy is charity. Look at Finland, they are part of the Euro zone and they accept very little in way of refugees. In Europe, many countries take in refugees but Sweden does the most in the way of social help for the ones that they accept. Refugees should be thankful for what Sweden does for them. Not being respectful and dumping on Swedish culture and traditions flies in the face of being thankful and respectful.

Great Scott,

I suppose the different religions are a part of school subject (SO) and is teached by objective way...as it should be.

I don't have anything againts Lucia's day or any other religious celebration. But I do have a lot againts SD and their supporters.

There's nothing bad with being proud of your country, culture, race, food, religion or whatever and try to keep them, but when you base your political ideology on race and say things like this or that religion is a national enemy, you are racist. I'm sorry, but if you can't see it, so you are stupid to me.

And the funniest thing is to hear immigrants supporting it. Their main target now is muslims, who will it be when the muslims are gone? You think you are save just because you are "white" and come from a "cool" country?

calebian22,

Yes, its RACIST AND BIGOTED methods the SD and that kind of individs use!!! They lie, exaggerate, incites to racial and religious discrimination etc!!! NOBODY has ask this nationalits to give up their culture and history... and why do you compare Sweden with Finland, which has a bad refugee policy?!

Me? An ethnocentric person?! Maybe to that point that my ethnic and cultural background is NOT less important than the nationalists....The big difference between me and ex. SD is that this EGOethnocentrics thinks they have the righ to 'judge' other groups relative to their own ethnic group.

rumcajs

it's not about the people itself, not their skin colour or anything like that, its the religion thats not working in a community of 2010.

and then u will respond like "but why cant they have their religion "

yes they can have their religion in their home! but they are trying to change the sweden that we are living in right now.

for example they banned pig as meat in a local school in malmö. which is wrong.

Swedes should not adapt to the tiny Muslim minority

Sjayna,

I brought up Sweden versus Finland because some of your earlier comments to others on here made it seem as if refugees were entitled to help from Sweden; as if it was a refugee's right to be helped by Sweden. Sweden has voluntarily (like a charity) helped refugees from all over the world. Other countries, like Finland, have not and frankly are not suffering from problems from ungrateful refugees.

Also you said, "NOBODY has ask this nationalits to give up their culture and history." In an earlier post you are desirous of Lucia being removed from school and public displays. You obviously want Sweden to give up a very important aspect of it's culture and history that has nothing to do with religion at this point in history to suit you and your apparent delicate sensibilties. You accuse the SvD's of being bigots and racists but explain to me how you are different?

calebian22,

Off course people in need, as the refugees, are entitled to be helped by Sweden!!! Sweden has the possibility and therefore also the responsiblity to help. The nationalits don't have to give up their culture and history, but they HAVE to practice their traditions in 'private'.Accept that..So, removing the Lucia from public displays, stopping forcing pork eating etc makes everybody little bit happier... The imbecile SD advocate assimilation, an inane, outdated method... I am against 'national collectivism', advocate integration instead of assimilation and believe that a multicultural society is not a threat...we only need 'brain update' in some few groups...Do you see the difference?!

Sjayna,

We will have to disagree vehemently about the right of refugees to be welcomed into Sweden and then helped financially. You might want to look up the word, "right," in order to gain a better understanding. Possibility and responsibility are not synonyms to "a right."

As for Sweden giving up it's public traditions to practice them in private, that is not going to happen. People like you wish to change Sweden into their previous homeland. You cry intolerance and bigotry at the SvD's without even realizing that those are attributes that describe yourself.

calebian22,

Your statement that people like me want to change Sweden into our previous homeland, is very wrong! There are over 1,2 million foreign born people in Sweden plus their progeny...So it is obvious that the Swedish society, its 'culture and traditions' will slowly but surely be changed, its only natural... Why fight against, whats the threat? Whats right? Well, the real answer is inside yourself...I don't know about your morale/ethics, but I have a strong feeling that we are on different levels...

Sjayna,

Finally we agree about something. We, you and I, will never see eye to eye on this one. You and your kind wants to change Sweden and I feel I don't have that right as a foreigner. That is the apparent difference between us. I am a visitor who follows the house rules. You are that rude visitor that puts their feet up on the table thinking it's their own house. You will never be accepted or respected here because you don't respect Swedish culture and traditions. However, you will always blame Sweden for this "bigotry and prejudice" and never take a hard look at yourself to see that you are the problem, not the other way around.

True, I don't want to belong the group of 'silent visitors', its naive to think that swedes RESPECT them...Nobody owns 'the house', we leave in the house together...And I am rather the person, who puts her feet up on the table than the person sitting under the table... (but always with respect)...

Sjayna,

You are precisely the reason the SvD's will continue to gain power. The rise of the Sweden Democrats are a reaction to your disrespect and others like you. You will never realize this because you are self-centered and ethnocentric, but it is true.

Great scott!

I have been in one of SD´s party meetings, and i can cleerly see that they are rasists and nazis, most of the people who are voting for them eaither are nazis or simply vote cuz they dont know anything about politics and vote for something that "Sounds" good!

About 90% of there candidates to the "läns valen" all have history in the police files, mostly for violent behavior and for carying wepons!

SD is a nazi party, and there leader Jimmy is a former member of "Motståndsrörelsen" (the resistance" with is a "Nazi Front" witch is well know for being violent to any who dont suport them!

calebian22,

DON'T BLAME ME, that SD gains power, blame those who support the party and tell them that they should develop their thinking !!! Or do you think its ok to support a neonazistic party?!