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When US citizen Sylvie Acra arrived in Sweden and began her search for a job she decided it would be wise to open a standard bank account, but after three visits to three major Swedish banks she remains dissatisfied.
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Im english and have lived in Stockholm perfectully legally for 5 months but I have been refused a bank account at 3 banks I visited, the reason being, 'not having a permanant work contract' even tho i have a permanent ID no and residency status due to my boyfriend being swedish..
I even went to one bank with a signed letter from an organisation who employ me to teach occasionally, this was not enough! Ive also been told that I won't be allowed an ID card as Im not swedish! This is so frustrating as any work I do gets payed into my boyfriends bank account, so tax being payed under his ID no. meaning according to the tax authorities Ive been living here and paying no tax!! great!
I've lived in other european countries before where its easy to get a bank account if you are from the E.U but it seems not here!!
She has every right to get a bank account. Im a US citizen, I am married to a swede but my passport was enough to get me a visa bank card. You cant have a business/ bank or anything else that's not clear about their own rules... sometime I Wonder how this country runs? They should have a Better Business Bureau like we do in the United States and Canada so COSTUMERS can report company's that have bad costumer service.
We should all get treated equally, weather it be applying at a bank or ordering something form a company. I don't know how many times i have been given the run around by a bunch or morons because the company doesn't even know what the hell they are talking about.
When I moved to Sweden 3 years ago, I had a valid EU passport, a Swedish state employment, a personal number, the status as permanent resident...
However SEB (Uppsala) told me that they do not open bank accounts to non-Swedish speaking people. Uppland Bank (Uppsala) told me that they do not open bank accounts to non Swedish citizens. Swedbank told me that they had problems with not Swedish speaking people in that Agency and therfore they advised me to go to another bank. Handelsbanken sent me to Nordea.
And Nordea allowed me (having to come back several time, with several documents and after a phone call of my employer) to open a bank account, of course only with Visa Electron Card for the first year.
Unfortunately I did not know about discrimination ombudsman at that time, otherwise I was going to sue all of them!
Some years ago my son's mother and I went back to England, the country I am from for 6 months, during which she was able to find work. The only problem she encountered was getting a bank account, every bank told her they needed to run a credit check and as she had never lived in England before she has no credit history, so was unable to get a bank account open, this was almost 10 years ago, things may have changed, one bank said the only type of account they said they could offer her was an offshore account.
We lived in Norway for a year and after 7 days we had new personal indentification numbers and new bank accounts all sorted out by the bank, and Norway is not even part of the EU!!
Bank accounts cost money to set up and administer, if you are some grubby minimum wage prole then you will have problems, people with money don't.
If I was a bank that would make me think twice about a non-swedish speaking customer
I then over the next two weeks purchased an apartment. A month after that I applied for my personal number, without having a job at the time. The only identification I had was my passport, nothing else.
What she is saying does not sound right. If she has a valid passport and personal number there should be no problem unless she has outstanding debts in another country.
In mostEuropen countries, there are branches of international banks (like Santander, Barclay's, Deutsche Bank etc.).
In Sweden I have never seen any branches of these. Only swedish banks.
Why?
Thats a first! Usually they just say its not possible (Whatever it is!) without checking.
Most Swedish bank staff lack any sort of training to deal with customers or to do their job.
I found like most people if you get an idiot who wont help go to another branch.
Take 2 tickets in the queue and if you dont like the answer one muppet gives you go to the next.
I went tough the same crap "Your EU passort is not valid ID you need a Swedish passport" Bring a Swede (Any Swede at all, can be a convicted bank robber!) with you and they will opena an account straight away!
In relation to your question, In mostEuropen countries, there are branches of international banks (like Santander, Barclay's, Deutsche Bank etc.).
In Sweden I have never seen any branches of these. Only swedish banks.
Why?
If you look at the amount of international businesses in general in many other countries across the world, many of them companies do not exist here, one thing I know Swedish brands are successful world over, due to the fact that Swedes support Swedish products in every industry sector.
Many companies although they use Sweden as a test market for products and services don't find it a viable place to set up shop due to the market size being small as well as the red tape and for many US companies that don't like employing union members as employees, where in Sweden as you know the unions in many cases are far more stronger than many of the companies, just a thought, I would like to hear anyone else opinion on the matter...
I have been in the accounting/finance field for long and i must say that the staffs you meet at some of these banks are just bullshit.They are absolutely dumb-asses because each day you go to the bank, each person has his or her own interpretation. This is particularly evident in Nordea.
I share in the anguish of this lady, but these things do happen especially in the South of Sweden. May be in the North, it is easier to get things done and fast too.
I will recommend Handelsbanken to you, though of late, they have started recruiting "Nordea-like and SEB-like" staffs.
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Here in Denmark, when i came, i got a bank account, with a Visa/Dankort and an ATM card within the first 2 months, as soon as i deposited some money, and after i got a part time job (was a student at that time), they even allowed me to get a credit, which is great, since no background checks or anything else, just showed them a part time working contract and thats all. And the bank, where i still do business is Nordea. Wonder if they have a different Nordea in Sweden?
The VP of customer relations at a large Swedish bank told me that and then promptly blamed the government.
This was five years ago and things may have changed but from what I see here, they haven't.
Unfortunately,the ID thing is raising its head a lot these days,however, EU law states your passport is a valid form of ID,REGARDLESS OF SWEDISH BANK STAFF AND SWEDISH LAW!! IF YOU SWEDES DONT LIKE THAT,THEN LEAVE THE EU!!
I went to the local branch of Swedbank and was able to open an account with visa privillages just by showing my passport and telling them my perssonummer.
The thing that p#ssed me off with swedish banks was the whole stupid ID card thing. I still don't have one, we have to travel 45 mins to Västerås and fill out a bunch of papers then wait approx. 6 months.
I find it so stupid that my passport is valid enough to give me an account and a mortage with Swedbank but it's not valid enough for a swedish ID card. A passport should trump all other forms of ID, and it does everywhere else, just not here for some reason.
Another weird thing is that I can use my pass at systembolåget as ID but my swedish friends cannot use their swedish passports. How does that make sense?
I also was only given a Maestro card, but got an offer to upgrade for free to a Visa debit after nine months. This is much better than Nordea, who told me that they didn't deal with foreign students at all unless they had a job here.
So in the states this may well be the default response to nonsensical red tape. I can't decide if I should be proud or embarassed as being characterized thusly.
Whats even funnier is a once applied for a job to train these very muppets at the very same bank. I think I was waayy to qualified though and should have gotten an 8 year old to re-write my cv. I mean come on the first thing they gotta learn in customer service, if you dont know go and ask someone! Dont guess, have every employee giving the same correct answers.
In the US my EU passport (not Swedish) was accepted as a valid ID to open a bank account. Everything was done in 15 minutes, VISA debit card included.
In Japan the same. I could open a bank account just with my EU passport!
Just Sweden do not consider EU passports valid documents, and the reason, as far as I understand, is that there is no personal number on them. And in Sweden does not really matter your name, your date of birth, your pass number... you are just a presonnummar!
It seems it depends on who you get at what branch on what day. Not great customer service, shocking customer service in fact .
http://lostinstockholm.com/2009/08/15/10-things-i-hate-about-sweden/
I am not resident in Sweden but am a UK resident. In late 2004 my wife and I bought a holiday house in Sweden. Swedbank (Was Föreningssparbanken) were very helpful and efficient.
The purchase sum plus a further amount was transferred from the UK to the makalare's account within our local branch. Our Swedish account was mainly set up in advance of our visit. Upon our attendance in person to sign the paperwork re the house purchase we exhibited our passports and the balance of the sum we had transferred was switched into a Swedish account in our name. We were issued at the same time with bank debit cards, advised how to reset pin numbers in machine outside branch, had internet banking set up and the entire transaction, conducted in German (sellers), English (ourselves) and Swedish (bank staff) was faultless.
In the over five years we have held the account there have been no issues.
It may be rules have been tightened in recent years, it may be as EU citizens we are treated differently re ID etc, however the Swedish banks operate at a level of efficiency far ahead of those in the UK.
Sylvie, it maybe because you hold a non EU passport. If you have a driving license then get it transfered and us ethe Swedish license as your ID.
The other problem is of course that you do look very suspicious. I can imagine that if you wore a fullface birka then you would certainly get what you wanted on the grounds of "human rights and discrimination".
Go for it and enjoy your stay. Swedes are fabulous people and not half as paranoid as your countrymen.
To many people talking about the problem with id's and bank accounts, not enough trying to fix it.
It looks like you have had similar experience to myself.
It may well be a case of 'computer says no' but that's not something unique to Sweden, is it? And to see what happens when 'computer says yes' to everyone, just look at what's happened in banking in the last 18 months - US, Iceland....
I know this is all unrealistic, but perhaps it would send a strong message if, the day after payday, everyone simply removed all of their money from the bank and budgeted with cash every month. In that way, the banks would serve a depository function without being a repository function. All the fees they charge us would fund the depositing and processing of paychecks, but then the banks would not get piles of money from us to loan out to others at higher rates. They would get screwed. Too bad life would be suddenly so inconvenient when we would need to pay bills. Seems the banks have us by the balls.
Yes the banks have rules, as does the EU, and according too the rules if you have valid ID (which an EU passport is) you are entitled to open an account. Otherwise its called discrimination.
What the problem is, is bank staff training, one muppet working there will refuse to open an account, whilst another will open it no problem.
Book a flight back to USA with it !!!!
I dont know about the USA but in Canada you must have a Canadian ID and Health Cards arent considered proper form of identification either
It was painless and all that was required was my personnummer - which I obviously have.
I am very happy that I was advised to go to this bank first.....the alternative(s) sound like one big headache.
A friend of mine works for Swedbank and we have talked about this many times and she says that this is the main reason. There is no standard guideline and cases are dealt with on a person to person basis... which creates uncertainty for the tellers working at the banks and issuing the accounts. I think another issue for some people, especially with passports not being considered as identity in Sweden is because a passport is not a personal document, it belongs to the government of the country that issued it. This to me is strange but I guess that's how it works. Now, for some immigrants, especially from the experiences my friend has had working in a Swedish bank, they do not even have passports, especially if they are refugees seeking asylum. A lot of the time, they only have a document that stands in as a passport, which is more like an A4 piece of paper that gets put in your passport (like if you get a J1 visa for the US). These documents are easily forged and may be used as valid temporary passports for refugees who've never needed or could afford a passport until their arrival in Sweden. So in that case, the banks are not discriminating by saying passports are not valid as ID, it's just their policy... no matter how flawed.... continued in next post...
So if I U.S. passport is not considered valid identification in Sweden, what am I supposed to show at Arlanda when I get ready to board a plane? What am I supposed to show a police officer if I get pulled over for speeding? Surely my U.S. driver's license won't be valid either.
Here, a passport IS considered valid and my wife had to show it to get her U.S bank account, her green card, etc. I wonder why Sweden doesn't follow what EVERY other country does and recognize a passport as valid ID....
I'm also surprised at the "Sweden: Love it or leave it" attitude in many of the comments. I didn't know so many Swedes were American red necks.
Thanks for the good welcoming. I was told by friends that the climate in Stockholm was frigid. I only wish it was referring to the weather.
Handelsbanken, yeah OK dream on, they may have been throwing VISA cards before the buble burst but now you have to get a reference from your previous bank just to get a Maestro card. I´'m afraid the good old days where you were thrown credit cards regardless of your abilty to pay are long gone, so you youngsters had better get used to the way we used to do things in the early 80's, save your money and start purchasing with cold hard cash.......
Answer No.. how can she transfer money into an account if they wont let her open one!
That is why Norway does not want to be a part of EU :) ...to avoid the problem.
The same day I went to see it the estate agent ,who was amazing ,took me to the bank after the viewing and an account was opened for me straight away with just my passport as I do not have a personal number yet ,when I move to Sweden and have my permanent address I will have access to debit cards and internet banking , then I went to get a form for my personal number ,just need a permanent address .
The bank was Handelsbanken ,highly recommended by many posts on the local .
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As for the "Love it or leave it" crowd.
When people in the US say this, it makes them sound like ignorant idiots. When I here it in Sweden it makes you sound like unoriginal ignorant idiots!
Mr.Atta was able to open a bank account in Florida without a job or a resident alien card, at Suntrust Bank . I am not an expert, but i believe an alien may still do so in the USA.
I am British and I have lived in Sweden for nearly 18 months and still have problems with banks. A passport is simply not a valid form of ID here. Be aware that you can't get the Swedish ID card until you have lived here with your "Sambo" for 6 months. Woe betide you if you forget to register a change of address with Skatteverket - they reset the 6 months time period!
they do this to everyone I know who is an immigrant.
it is their ploy to keep foreigners out of the country.
they did this to me and I am American.
I still could not open a bank account even though I am married to a Swedish citizen. They have been "working on this" for 3 years now.
Welcome to crappy Sweden.