February 12, 2012
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Sweden's justice minister Beatrice Ask has bowed to mounting criticism and performed a public u-turn on her suggestion that colour-coded envelopes be sent to suspected sex-buyers.
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"But Ask has now conceded that it is important to respect the principle of innocent until proven guilty"
Too bad her friends/employers in the music and movie business dont think the same, they want to cut off peoples internet connections on three **ACCUSATION** of copyright infringement and have gotten their way in places like France, Korea, New Zealand and next probably: Britain.
Sweden would have been on the list as well, but with over 3 million citizens filesharing (by the IFPI's own study) they knew the publish backlash for suggesting such a thing would kill any hope of a longer political career... especially after they saw the demonstrations with IPRED and FRA.
Ask has reduced the credibility of her position by failing to understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty - perhaps she should go back to University and study Law......
ignorance about the concept of innocent until proven guilty,
total ignorance about the importance of people privacy,
confusion between children sex crimes and prostitution (what the following "We have to give some thought to how young people can be protected on the internet and in other arenas where they are at risk of being abused" has to do with prostitution???),
lack of the prudence that should be expected from a minister (that should always think about what is said being a representative of the government institution).
This woman is going to be an embarrassing matter for Reinfeldt to handle in the coming months.
I think this is because of too much contact with her friends in the entertainment industries who want to ignore the fact/concept of "innocent until proven guilty " but would rather have it as guilty until you prove you are innocent (link: techdirt.com/articles/20100323/0158248666.shtml)
"total ignorance about the importance of people privacy"
Its not really ignorance, but more that their agenda trumps your right to privacy (no need for a link here, just have a look at the FRA and IPRED laws)
and what better way to push that agenda but with a "think of the children" statement?
and to top off the above might as well start grouping it with child abuse/pedos, after all, if you disagree that automatically puts you in the pedos camp... and no one wants to be grouped with those scumbags, so lets all admire the emperors new clothes.
You can however make it safer for those involved. Provide selected brothels and medical certificates regular health testing, security etc. And the best bit for the government, is the income is taxed!
Then pass a law to make prositution solicited on the street illegal. Not that it will stop it, but given the choice of the russian roulette game played by all involved in solicitation, would be a much better solution to see a safe regulated industry compared with that of a game of chance.
The photo thing is also a deterant, I know it has been tried elsewhere, where speed like cameras were employed and if a car cruised an area a certain number of times a letter was sent to the registered owner informing them that the car had been observed in the following areas known for illegal behavior.
Pretty sure the company cars stopped getting "over used" damn quickly on that on
Just a few thoughts
Sweden, these people will destroy your society. If you really understood what has happened because of like-minded people in the USA, you would be terrified. They believe they know the best formula for how people should live their lives--freedom and privacy don't enter into their equation because if everyone lives the way they say, there is no need for privacy. Privacy allows people having radically different philosophies to live side by side. As soon as the privacy is broached, civil unrest elevates.
Her philosophy is dangerous. She revealed a medieval mindset that goes hand in hand with intolerance. Her stated policies cast her ideas as the flip side of the ideas of a radical Ayatollah. Political cartoonists should get to work on this.
you got a point there, after all, what do the Islamic terrorists want?
Just for us to change and think like them, be like them, follow their views and their thinking as well as their philosophies.
I guess it breaks down to the terrorists using guns and violence to get their way, while Ask uses her position and the law.
Beatrice iAsk s unfit to be a justice minister; she doesn't know anything about justice. It's a bit scary really. What's she going to do next? I think the real lawyers in her department should follow her about with a bag. Every time she looks as if she is about to make another gaff, they should quickly pull it over her head. That should keep the silly woman out of trouble.
It is against human nature to allow it to go on, its based on greed and exploitation, it never has been acceptable health wise and socially, and never should be. Saying it will go on so easily is as bad as condoning it; if you knew the extent of the problem and why it is still within society then i doubt you would say that so easily.
It is wrong, and always will be, FULL STOP.
Let the witch-hunt begin! Unleash the feminists, imams, conservatives and neolbitards! (actually all of them have a lot in common).
Destroy the pimps.
Hunt down the traffickers in human flesh and slay them all.
Ask shouldn't be apologizing. They should be posting the John's pictures and names on TV.
Man with resources will get sex from a woman who wants said resources. It has always been part of our societies globally and the "pains" associated with prostitution are mostly to blame with the stigma that conservatives who dont really understand society place on the prostitutes and the johns.
And I can see the argument that the conservatives have. I mean who wouldn't be angry, when you are trying to establish and maintain a lifelong relationship and someone is "undercutting" you, with-holding sexual relations as part of a bargaining piece in an argument is not nearly as powerful if your partner can o down to the shop for a quicky instead.
The above link will illustrate how crazy things are in the USA. The dynamic that brought about America's social insanity was a concerted program begun by the religious right in the 1970s. There is a website operated by professors at Cornell University detailing how it happened. http://www.theocracywatch.org/
The method is to instill fear and loathing and then pass laws ostensibly to ameliorate the "threat" when in fact what happens is more power to the police to control your life. Prostitution can be controlled, and by controlling it its evil side can be defanged, but all of recorded history says it can never be eradicated.
Let's pass a law against gravity and stop all of the horrific airline disasters!
The more restrictive society becomes the more lawless it becomes. Wise leaders understand there is a delicate balance between the degree of permissiveness and social order. We need wise people in government, not reactionary zealots. Ms Ask surely sounds like a reactionary.
Labels are forever. Adding hopelessness to an offender's future virtually guarantees recidivism. Societies that act out the fears and loathing of its population become fearful and loathsome societies. Authentica, is this what you want? Look and the USA...we are now a fearful and loathsome society who always has money for war but never money for its poor. Maybe President Obama can change that...if he survives.
Demanding perfection in a legal system is to assure its failure.
I think your moral point of view is in the right place, however I think you have the wrong idea of what prostitution has been in the past and how it could be today. I come from a city that was known for its prostitutes. It was illegal to sell sex and to buy it, but everyone knew that on one of the busy streets in town the women there were waiting for people to be johns.
Everybody knew, the police, adults and probably a few children. And yea the gangs had control of sertain parts of the streets and the motels in the area. There were higher rates of Sexually transmitted diseases, abuse, drugs, etc. Things were pretty damn awful.
Then in the late 90's maybe early 2000 the city council passed laws which gave rights to prostitutes as legal workers. From there a union was established that finally gave the prostitutes themselves a platform to voice their OWN opinion on. Now there is a couple of treatment centers where they can go for both physical and mental check ups. Get cheap access to condoms and other forms of contraception and most importantly there is a register. This holds alot of important statistical information that we as a knowledgeable society can look at and see the TRUE picture of the sex industry.
Now the prostitution has been brought in off the streets into brothels where there is protection for the women and in my own opinion it is far better to face the realities of things so we can move forward as a society, rather than continue to bury our heads in the sand.
Why do you think they put her there?
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/whats_wrong_with_legalizing_pr.html
SOP
1. Cool down, sit in your care, drive to the next police station and hand over a written statement that affirms the contract.
2. Drive back, warm up again, and have what is too ugly to describe.
3. Cool down again, drive to the same police station and confirm your first statement.
4. You are done!
P.S. The second visit of the police station is necessary because you or your partner might disagree in-between and then you are in great danger to get a pink envelope.
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