Published: 25 Mar 10 09:12 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/25724/20100325/
Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf called on Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva to make a final push for Swedish aircraft to win out over French and US rivals as pressure mounts over the destination of the multi-billion-dollar deal.
What do you think? Leave your comment below.
Parents and volunteers have been patrolling the streets of Stockholm's immigrant-heavy suburbs to help quell riots that have raged for almost a week, serving as a successful deterrent to troublemakers and winning praise from police. READ () »
Police are hunting a 40-year-old man after a woman was found dead in a suburb of Stockholm on Saturday. READ () »
Two cars collided on a road between Trollhättan and Vänersborg in western Sweden on Friday afternoon due to an elk having chosen the unusual spot to give birth to a calf. READ () »
Express delivery firm DHL has been criticised for having handed over a load of alcohol ordered from Germany to a 10-year-old boy in southern Sweden who was home alone at the time. READ () »
A sixth straight night of unrest blighted several Stockholm suburbs on Friday night, spreading briefly to the city of Örebro, 160 kilometres to the west. READ () »
With international media swooping on the Stockholm riots from every angle, The Local's Oliver Gee explains why Stockholm is not burning, and how the story has been blown out of proportion. READ () »
After five nights of rioting throughout the outskirts of Stockholm, many in Sweden and elsewhere are trying to make sense of it all. The Local spoke to a mix of commentators and local politicians to get their views. READ () »
As white-collar union Saco slammed Sweden for not helping well-educated foreigners into the labour market, The Local spoke to researcher Josefin Edström about the disconnect between foreign professionals and Swedish employers. READ () »
| 25/05 | Director of Product, Apps | Stockholm |
| 25/05 | Director of Product, Hardware | Stockholm |
| 25/05 | Director of Product, Platform | Stockholm |
| 25/05 | International Brand Manager | Malmö |
| 25/05 | Lead Product Designer - Spotify Apps/Partner Solutions | Stockholm |
| 25/05 | Major Account Manager Sweden | Stockholm |
More news from Germany at thelocal.de
More news from France at thelocal.fr
More news from Norway at thelocal.no
More news from Switzerland at thelocal.ch
Register now for:
> Free use of noticeboard
> Special discounts
> Weekly news roundup
> Unlimited use of discuss
" I have recently become addicted to a website called Stockholms Källan. The site is an amazing treasure trove of historical images of Stockholm. You can search by names or locations to find old photos and documents relating to whatever you’re interested in. This image is from a 1960’s short film called “Ditt Stockholm” (“Your Stockholm”). It..." READ »
Your comments about this article:
The comments below have not been moderated in advance and are not produced by The Local unless clearly stated. Readers are responsible for the content of their own comments. Comments that breach our terms and conditions will be removed.
Hopefully Sweden will get the contract and secure jobs for Sweden.
Don't expect that extreme again, but they could make his political life a nightmare and ruin any hopes for a re-election... Lula needs to watch his step now. Despite some good deeds, he has made some major blunders and public opinion is not so overwhelmingly in his favor anymore. One such blunder that I can remember was his not very decisive stance against Chaves which in the eyes of the populous made him look like a wimp. Not a good move in a predominantly male chauvinistic country...
Although the armed forces are not strong as they used to be they´re still play a significant role in the political debate and is a very sensitive issue dealing with them. However both Grippen and Rafale are good options, it´s like choosing between a Volvo and a Peugeot, the Air Force will be happy with any alternative.
By the way Lula himself ended up in jail for his "subversive" panflets about labour rights during the dictatorship. Some say that he was tortured by the armed forces It´s hard to say that he will play the part of a puppy poodle and follow the decision of the Air Force. If I have to bet, I would bet on the French Rafale.
I also bought stocks from Dassault Aviation the manufacturer of Rafale and stocks from EMBRAER the 4th world´s largest aircraft company (Brazilian by the way) that is going to be the transfer technology hub and probably assemble these fighter jets. More information on Embraer www.embraer.com.br
What is your bet?
tariffs are not good practice. what on earth do you have against US farmers? they are successful because they are productive. but hey, let's allow the brazilian government to steal R&D investments from private companies rather than purchase them like any other small farmer in the US.
that will be great for brazilian farmers.....or least for a few men of power.
back on subject - the Rafale is a terrible aircraft. Not even the French Airforce is satisfied. It would be 100% political if they were to select the Rafale.
I'd hate to be a Brazilian fighter pilot flying a plane chosen for political considerations going up against someone in a plane chosen for it's technical merits.
the rafale is the worst choice for pilots but i'm sure the best for political reasons.
(First don´t take it personal)
Hey bro! come´on - "what on earth do you have against US farmers? they are successful because they are productive." You´ve gotta be kidding, right?
Everybody know that the U.S farmers receive money transfers from the Government, otherwise they could make the ends meet. And this is harming competition. For R&D you might be talking about the patents over AIDS drugs and why Brazil has been given decent treatment for people with AIDS. The issue went to WTO and to the World Health Organization and they won.
Talking about R&D in the tropics, Brazil has produced more patents in agricultural science than USA over the last 3 years, see the EMBRAPA (www.embrapa.com.br) company website. The ethanol production plants came from Brazil to operate in the U.S Midwest corn belt.
Back to the topic
Let´s take a look on what the potential contenders in the region have:
Colombia : Mirage(Dassault) and Israeli made (Kfir)
Chile: F-16 (Newest version in the region)
Venezuela - Sukhois (Russian) and F-16
Argentina: Mirage (Dassault) and A-4
Brazil so far has: Mirage(Newest generation in the region), F-1 Skyhawk( for the aircraft carrier, yes we do have an aircraft carrier), F-5 Tiger
Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia and the rest of the region, you only need Rambo so we can disregard them as potential ofenders.
The bid is to buy 24 fighter jets now and extend the contract up to 100. There is sinergy between Dassault and Embraer, and France has been proved a realiable partner over the years. Since the acquisition of the first Mirage in the 70´s.
The Lockheed F-16 is a good aircraft but you can´t do anything without the U.S congress permission. And from time to time they can simply denied selling reassemble parts. like they did with the F-16 from Venezuela.
The Grippen would be a new contender, no one has saab´s grippen in the region but Sweden has never looked Brazil as trade partner or political partner, as much as France, and there will be a cost for this. But it is the "wanna be" jet for every pilot and it´s costs are very attractive.
But we must keep in mind that this is not a simply toy acquisition. The relliability of the seller, the qualitiy of the jet, the geo-political relationship, economic ties and so on. The Brazilian Air Force plan to operate those jets for next 20 years and this is the first time they are able to choose. The first jets F-5 came to brazil as a "donation" from USAF in the 60´s and they are still operating. The French Mirage in the 70´s were the only jet we could afford since the U.S didn´t want to sell us F-14 or F-15. In the 90´s the got second-hand Skyhawk from Kuwait and now almost 10 years it´s time to make a good decision. But this is not like the other countries that they buy the jet and that´s it, for the very first time a country is demanding transfer tecnhology and this changes everything.
Waiting for the next chapters!!! =D
The Royal Family Foundation over the years support to alleviate poverty in Brazil has shown the respect that Sweden has given to Brazil over the years.
President Lula is aware of the excellent support that Swedish companies give to local Brazilian population as seen by Scania do Brasil at Sao Bernardo do Campo, the center of Brazilian Unionist and residency of President Lula that he is well aware.
It is ncessary that Presient Lula should be briefed as to historical tradition of Sweden in Brazil and its good intentions.
I hope he is gonna take this into account either. But I´m afraid this royal support is too small compared to what french companies and ngo´s have done so far.
WRONG, Wrong, Wrong! The Military in Brazil is not seeking power to govern Brazil. All the military want is good salary, There is no agreement among the Brazilian armed forces as to overthrow the dully elected president. Brazil has had 5 Democratic governments for 25 years. The Military even if it wanted to deliver a coup d'etat , this would be unworkable since the population of 180 million people would never accept it. The dictatorship in Brazil is dead and was never harsh anyway if compared to Argentina, Germany, Spain, Italy etc...
Karex:
Don't expect that extreme again, but they could make his political life a nightmare and ruin any hopes for a re-election... Lula needs to watch his step now. Despite some good deeds, he has made some major blunders and public opinion is not so overwhelmingly in his favor anymore. One such blunder that I can remember was his not very decisive stance against Chaves which in the eyes of the populous made him look like a wimp. Not a good move in a predominantly male chauvinistic country...
Are you a lunatic? Lula has already served his second term and cannot run for a third term. He is barred by the constituition! His electorate are backing Chaves because the bolivarian revolution is a revolution of the poor. Lula was not elected by the Burgeois in Brazil. Te poor and illiterate put him where he is today. Brazil is not a male chauvinistic country, Brazil has adopted in his constituition full rights to gays, women, people with disabilities, BY the way the country is so free you can even walk down the beach topless or bottomless, Have you ever seen a Brazilian Bikini? Karex, I appreciate your opinion on the situation but I had to correct you in the name of accuracy!
Maybe, we need a NGO, Swedish or Brazilian?
Lula is Crazy Chavez's poodle, so really there is little chance of him standing up. Political considerations indeed. Who will pimp for the former Soviet block for a buck-FRANCE. Anybody who will buy her inferior products can have her support.