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Sweden's population increased by 84,000 people in 2009 and is set to grow by 600,000 over the next ten years, passing the 10 million mark in 2021, according to a new forecast from Statistics Sweden (SCB).
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Re Twiceshy: In 100 years we might all perish, e.g., we might be hit by meteorite.
Or do you think that you represent Swedish people better than anybody else?
well, do you think at all?
I say that because the usual sight for me when seeing mothers walking around is either 2 swedish/thai moms with 1 baby each in a stroller and maybe 1 more older child following or 2 refugee moms (I'm assuming refugee due to their dress) with 1 baby each in a stroller and 6 to 8 kids trailing behind.
It would be interesting to see this report broken down in more detail like cbeynch above suggested. Personally I'm most interested in education and ability to support themselves. I think that will make the biggest difference in the long run. Religion plays a big part in the lives of most of the refugees coming into sweden but I really do believe that the more educated you are the less likely you are to become a fundamentalist of any religion, as least in most cases.
My next door neighbour who was married to a Swedish man said the problem was that Sweden accepted virtually ANYONE who wanted to escape the harshness of the mother country. This was because these immigrants were prepared to do the menial jobs that Swedish people did not want.
Sweden "accept virtually ANYONE who want[ed] to escape the harshness of the mother country" because Swedes are uncomfortable with saying "no". When people without legitimate asylum claims refuse to accept a "no" answer, Swedes in charge are even more uncomfortable with saying "NO!".
According to the Swedish immigration office (invandrarverket) own figures, only 5% of those people that are finally granted asylum in Sweden - most often after years of appeals - meet the criteria for what constitutes a refugee according to the standard set by the UN.
@Xcellent: Funny that you classify dislike of Islam as racism. Do you consider dislike of Christianity to be racism to? How about dislike of Communism? Capitalism?
To be a Muslim is not to be a member of a certain race. Being Muslim doesn't even equal being of a certain ethnic group. I care more about members of my own family than I care about strangers. I also care more about my own ethnic group than I care about other ethnic groups. I'm ethnocentric - I believe that the overwhelming majority of all other human beings in this world are as well.
I don't think that this particular inclination makes me racist though. But I'm sure you do. Someone can be a part of my family without being my blood relative. In the same way, someone can be/come a member of my ethnic group even though they were born into another one.
Oh wait a second... I guess I must be one of those damned immigrants too? Although, at least I am paying more than 53% in income taxes to live in this nordic wunderland.
Gotta love skatteverket though; they are totally neutral when it comes to these things, it doesn't matter if you are black, white or something in between... they still take your money.
To increase jobs one needs investment and planning capabilities which Sweden has already.
Hence Sweden just needs to increase jobs.
in all this countries they are overrepresentated in crime, getting social walfare and low education. thats a fact also for sweden.
integration problems are normals only problems of the 1st generation when it comes to chinese, vietnamese, russians.....but in the muslim parallel world the 2nd and 3th generation cause more and more problems.
look at malmö with 30% muslim population. do you leftists and so called liberals want sweden to transform into what malmö is today?
Just take the "allmän pension". It was created (1913) in a time when people died at the age of 60. How many got to enjoy their retirement (age 64)? Today the life expectancy is 80 years, and increasing. This will never hold. Here is a good article:
http://www.fokus.se/2010/04/myten-om-pensionaren/
wotist: "I'm ethnocentric - I believe that the overwhelming majority of all other human beings in this world are as well"
The overwhelming majority of all other human beings in this world are religious fools who believe in fictional creatures. Argumentum ad populum...
Freelife: The socialistic state makes that hard. The problems are spelt payroll tax, LAS and minimum wage. What Sweden needs is a laissez-faire economic planning and less government.
But Sweden has managed to be successful with their present model. Changing entire economic model is a far fetched idea, generally which never becomes reality.
Socialism doesn't prevent from job creation. Yes it is hard. But Sweden has both experience and intelligence deal issues with this setup.
Regarding immigration, in my opinion Sweden must encourage high skilled immigrants like US, hence increasing its quality and quantity of human resource.
However, Sweden is a really developed country. It has highly educated population, good infrastructure, great education and medical systems which are the fruits of their well run social model. Sweden must find a good way within this setup. I think, it is quite possible.
The immigrants (of ALL religions) from eastern europe & africa etc, have more children, in 50yrs the minority population will be ethnic Scandinaviens.
But keep letting the immigrants & refugees in, it helps keep unemployment high, so we that do work have to pay higher taxes.
Yes most of the Muslim immigrants are highly educated to degree or equivalent professional level and no the majority of them are not willing to take on menial jobs they are forced to do so.
@Twiceshy
Yes that's right we will take over and what are you going to do about it apart from sitting on your backside yacking like a donkey???
The social model was not the positive part of the Swedish success story, it was the part that kept Sweden from becoming much better. Here's a link on how it really is and was. http://mises.org/daily/2259
It's a really good article and I urge you to read it.
Oh great. So there will be more retired people being supported by proportionately less working people which will probably lead to higher taxes on workers. Well at least when this happens, I'll probably be back in the U.S.
...where we'll be dealing with the same stupid problem. :-(
On the strength of two weeks hoiday in Sweden almost 30 years ago, I would find it immensely attractive to have been able to have lived in Sweden. You seem to have no idea how quickly you will los what remains of your Swedish culture. It is false to think that all people and all cultures are inherently alike.
Are liberalism ( to which Sweden has dedicated itself ) or any manifestation of socialism, essentially a frm of communism.
We have a problem with liberalism/socialism in my native Britain. Which I hope we will throw off with our current General Election.
I suspect egalitarianism is something drummed into (brainwashed) Swedish children since infancy.
Always, always be the masters of your own destinies.
Has Sweden dedicated itself to liberalism? You have seriously got to be kidding. One of the biggest welfare models, worlds highest marginal tax rate and you have the guts to use "liberalism" in the same sentence? Wow, have you ever read about the politics here in Sweden?
Seriously, do you even know what liberalism is? How can liberalism be a form of communism? They are pretty much the opposite!
Sweden is a socialistic country, and NO, socialism does NOT equal liberalism. And again, NO, conservatism (which is pretty much an incoherent mix of socialism and liberalism) will not "help" Sweden.
stop living in a fantay world. just look at what happens in malmö right now. thats the future of sweden, not immigrants from norway and denmark (both countries have also massive problems with islam too).
this future is caused by the same idiots like in germany who let in hunderts of thousends muslims every year and also support their 5-6 child families with our tax money.
That's the problem with you xenophobe socialists. Somehow you tend to believe you, unlike muslims, have some natural right to my money.
By the way, have you seen this? http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=909&artikel=200193
Damn those Swedes, ay?
ehm, i am an iranian ex-muslim and no one from my familiy is getting any social transfer money.
thats the point:
iranian immigrants are like chinese, vietnamese...well integrated and actualy a benefit for their host society. they are totaly unislamic because they know what 30 years of islamic regime did to iran.
now if we had 3.000.000 iranians, russians, polish people, italians, spanish people, chinese, mexicans...in germany instead of 3.000.000 sunnit turks and arabs, the huge integration and financal problems wouldnt exist in germany.
its all about letting only people in who help a country. and turks and arabs are NOT helping any of their host country in europe.
Whatever is our debate, we must now that in majority of the countries politicians are old and old fashioned. Hence I think, progress can be through smaller, understandable and waited steps.
Anyhow, I still believe socialist system is good for all, unlike capitalism which makes only a bunch of people rich and elite and others to be exploited.
Capitalism is just like feudalism,a pseudo-democracy.
"ehm, i am an iranian ex-muslim and no one from my familiy is getting any social transfer money."
So? Are you a socialist or not? The xenophobe issue is quite clear from the rest of your obvious racist rantings (don't even try, I know that there is a conflict among Iranians and Arabs and you seem to belong to one of the more hateful clans).
"iranian immigrants are like chinese, vietnamese...well integrated and actualy a benefit for their host society. they are totaly unislamic because they know what 30 years of islamic regime did to iran. "
Oh, please. According to Brå (search for "Brottslighet bland personer födda i Sverige och i utlandet"): "Andelen som någon gång under perioden varit registrerad för brott var högst bland dem som var födda i Nordafrika och Västasien inklusive Iran och Turkiet." You see "inklusive Iran" in there? Maybe you have a source for the fact that Iranians are as well integrated as East Asians?
"now if we had 3.000.000 iranians, russians, polish people, italians, spanish people, chinese, mexicans...in germany instead of 3.000.000 sunnit turks and arabs, the huge integration and financal problems wouldnt exist in germany."
So the financial problem in Germany comes from Turks and Arabs? Let me guess, the same thing goes for Greece? Therefore Greece and Germany should import Iranians so that the financial crisis goes away? This will save the Euro. Maybe the credit crunch would never happened if only USA had imported more Iranians?
Wow, just wow...
However the figure of 1/5th immigrant population is something deeply disturbing. In my Britain, the immigrant populationt is at 1/11th. And that is deeply disturbing. I had the impression that Swedes were intensely patriotic..
I think it is a great mistake to think that within a generation or two the immigrants will have been completely absorbed into your culture and way of life.
Sure many immigrants will be making a contribution to Swedish life, but in the long term it is going to be at the cost of Swedish culture.