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Swedish author Henning Mankell is one of a trio of activists which have arrived back in Sweden after being released by Israel following their participation in the Gaza-bound flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos.
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@ali-bin-umar: it doesnt need a great brain to fathom who are terrorists, killing innocents and a threat to world peace these days..ya the hamas, alqaeda, hezbollah, IHH, LeT, JeM, TALIBAN are all jewish organizations right! ..you guys must research on all sides of the story than just highlight racist quotes totally out of context which a mullah probably served you during your last visit to the mosque.
So how come the videos show activists hitting soldiers with metal sticks and throwing one off the deck?
Mankell, next time you're boarding a "humanitarian" boat, make sure it is one, and not a planned provocation by turkish extremists that are taking advantage of humanitarian workers.
The israeli army offered the boat to park in the ashdod port, get inspected and then delivered to Gaza. There's 15 tons of humanitarian aid going to Gaza every week, after cleared by the Israelis and inspected that there are no weapons included.
you wanted confrontation and you got one. both sides are responsible for the bloodshed - including you Mankell for supporting a provocation that was destined to such grave consequences. Next time try to smuggle humanitarian aid to Tibet and see if you wont get your ass kicked by the Chinese....
Basically Mankell was kidnapped.
So Israeli lawlessness started with piracy, then proceeded to murder when their piracy was resisted, and then ended with kidnapping.
All you knee-jerk Israeli supporters please consider how you can help this situation by denouncing illegal activity whoever commits it.
If we want a world where law and justice FOR ALL is respected then we cannot defend lawlessness because we feel some tribal affiliation for the lawbreakers. That is the way to anarchy and yet more violent retribution.
or exercise control over a ship by force, and also
a crime to injure or kill any person in the process.
Article 3 of the Rome Convention for the
Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the
Safety of Maritime Navigation of 1988,
In other words, according to international law, the actions of the Israeli military were beyond the law and those involved should be treated no differently than, say, the Somali pirates who are also in the habit of boarding ships by force.
Any rights to self defence in such dramatic circumstances rests purely with the passengers and crew on board. Under international maritime law you are legally entitled to resist unlawful capture, abduction and detention.
They must be really hungry in Gaza since the 'aid' that this ship carried included cement and steel.
This in no way excuses Israels totally stupid actions - they deliver yet another propaganda coup to fundamentalists. Why they could not simply disable the ships and allow the full story about what was happening to come out is so stupid.
I neither seek to defend Israel nor I.H.H. - but simply seek the whole truth about this tragic fiasco.
Time for Israel to admit it has lost the 'propaganda war' and get to the negotiating table.
"Israel conducted their take over attempt within their own economic zone and so were not under International UN obligations"
Is this the latest propaganda from Israel LOL. Next they will be sailing all over the Med boarding ships because THEY have decided its their 'Economic Zone'
Just use all of that pea brain you have and see how stupid your post was
Hey, Try to know the difference between Taliban, Let, IHH, Ali-Qaeda and Hamas, Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting the biggest freedom wars. They are fightng with apurpose and are mainstream political parties with suport of people.
That's not what happened. This is an excellent illustration of verisimilitude with Mehmet Kaplan truly or falsely - obviously only talking about the boat that he was on. And so we have the report jumbling up what was happening on several, different boats and giving the impression of a running commentary as if we are talking about one and the same boat when for example it's reported that"Kaplan underlined that nobody that he travelled with, neither the crew nor the activists, offered any resistance" - when we have Israeli military videos and more, that clearly show quite the contrary:
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/23523#comments
What happened was that the IDF boarded the "Mavi Marmara" with the avowed intention of guiding it to a safe berthing at the Ashdod harbour where the cargo would get official clearance and ( no weapons and no weapon-building materials) the cargoes of food and medicines etc. could be forwarded - transported to its ultimate destination : Gaza.
As simple as that.
But instead of co-operation the IDF met with pre-meditated violence of the type that some of the demonstrators had been promising - that if the IDF in any way tried to divert them from their course, they boasted that they were going to give the IDF a very tough time ( al-Jazeera can confirm this that I heard and saw on al Jazeera TV several times). It can now be confirmed that they were not going to give the IDF a rough time merely armed with flowers in the hair, but with all the weapons that they had on them plus their knives and baseball batons.
The promised resistance was obviously not an unarmed resistance and by the time it was over nine people were dead and several injured and on our hands we now have the human tragedy that Henning Mankell is going to be rapping about for the rest of his life....
Take for instance the inconsistencies in what he says in today's Stockholm Metro: on the one hand he says " They shot people who were sleeping" and he is then surprised when he is told that nine of his comrades-in-arms died and he then sobs, " I didn't know that oj oj oj "
If he literally means what he says , " De skjuter människor som sover"and he was not singing Vladimir Vysotskij's " De skjuter varg" - then nine dead is a very low figure.....
"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.
You guys are wierd.
The really scary part is that some people who talk and think just like you have access to nuclear weapons.
Craig Murray, a former British ambassador and Foreign Office specialist on maritime law (and VIPS member), has just weighed in with a helpful description of two clear legal possibilities, which take into account both international law and the Law of the Sea:
1. Possibility one is that the Israeli commandos were acting on behalf of the government of Israel in killing the activists in international waters. The applicable law is that of the flag state of the ship on which the incident occurred.
In legal terms, the Turkish ship was Turkish territory. So in this case Israel is in a position of war with Turkey, and the attack by Israeli commandos falls under international jurisdiction as a war crime.
2. Possibility two is that, if the killings were not military actions authorized by Israel, they were then acts of murder and fall under Turkish jurisdiction. If Israel does not consider itself in a position of war with Turkey, it must hand over the commandos involved for trial in Turkey under Turkish law. It is for Turkey, not Israel, to carry out any inquiry or investigation and to initiate any prosecutions. Israel would be obliged by law to hand over indicted personnel for prosecution.
Great research ali. Hmmm.. what has 1787 got to do with 2010?
Equally, most of the points BD raised could be applied to...ehmmm....any fundamentalists. I especially liked the last paragraph of your quote as substituting labels can make it very modern :)
But then, politics is a 'game of the moment' and it is a smart politician who allies himself with the opponents of the 'current enemies'.
Abe Lincoln said 'kill your enemies by making friends with them', meaning that once you are friends you are no longer enemies.
"Have we become so intolerant that we refuse and fight differences, which are to humanity what seasons are to life?" from the Le Matin Newpaper editorial, the official voice of the Moroccan Royal Palace.
The irritating part, this thread has just started and before the day is through we are going to see the same BS from morons who have created multiple user accounts on this site writing and answering themselves with usernames that are meant to suggest they are of Swedish or western origin but who's comments structure and content suggest otherwise.
As this dies down, wait a little while and something else *WILL* happen again in that part of the world (we all know this isn't the end) and again this same thread will pop up with the same people shouting the same crap.
Wouldnt surprise me in the least if this thread reaches 100 comments by 3pm, and when it finally winds up - not a single person would have changed their stance even though they 'voiced their opinion' and read other peoples replies.
And in the meantime rockets will continue to be fired with the help of Hamas and continue to fall into Isreal with nary a word in the press about it.
This is not very helpful to your cause. In fact your posting is against the law and has no place here. It's called "hets mot folkgrupp" also known as Hate speech.
Now you wouldn't like to read some really disparaging hate speech about al-Islam as a religion or the Prophet of Islam salallahu alaihi wa salaam - and neither would I. So in the interest of mutual respect let's keep hate speech out of the discussion.
I stand for what I say and that'swhy I post under my real name.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/hero.html
Your name really is Cornelius Hamelberg!!!! ROFL.
CEH is CEH just as Kevin Harris is really Kevin Harris and not JC the son of Mary, till exempel or David "The Bear" Harris
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/idf-global-jihad-on-flotilla.html
Above, is a picture of one of Henning Mankell's comrades - a comdare -in arms, brandishing one of the many knives that Henning Mankell himself did not/ has not seen, since he ( Henning Mankell) did not do a thorough search of the boat and unfortunately could not be everywhere at the same time - and therefore could not know what was going on everywhere on board the ship that he was travelling in with his fellow passengers.
Today he can say of them " We were in the same boat" ... and to the extent that he shared their armed resistance he can also say " We are in the same boat."... it's different strokes for different folks.....
They go looking for trouble then wail like little babies when they find it. What a bunch of clowns.
Good for Israel for standing up to this ridiculous nonsense!
Do you (Calebrian) and I agree or not? :-o
There IS no disagreement from anyone here on that.
You guys are refusing to admit that Israel has transgressed international law, yet again.
To bring up missile attacks AGAIN as a justification for breaking the law against people who are not firing missiles but delivering humanitarian aid to block an illegal blockade (article 31, Geneva convention against collective punishment) is very sad indictment of a complete lack of moral integrity.
If anyone is taken in by the lies and propaganda from pro-zionizst spokesmen, please just watch this video which appears to provide PROOF of what occurred BEFORE the commandos landed on the Turkish ship. I.e. the turkish ship was fired upon with one resulting fatality BEFORE the commandos descended from helicopters.
Anyone who is stupid enough to think that the middle east is the same as Europe, needs there head examined.
The Israeli's are surrounded by dictatorial states, most of which think Israel should be wiped of the face of the map. That in turn makes the Isreali's paranoid about everything and likely to overreact to everything.
The activists that went out there need to realise this.
No one in Hamas, IHH, Al Queda or any other group gives a damn about the people of Gaza. None of the countries in the area give a damn about those people. Egypt keeps it border crossing usually closed. Syria puts Palestinians in camps and refuses to give them citizenship. Jordan keeps them in camps. The only aid Iran sends is weapons which leads to retailiation and more suffering. On top of all that Israel gives more aid to the people of Gaza than every muslim country combined.
Also the activists don't give a damn about the Gaza people. They only care about creating PR stunts and complaining about jews. I have yet to hear those people complain about the injustices that Hamas commits on Palestinians. Women in the Gaza strip are treated as less than animals.
The activists on those ships and Hamas would gladly sacrifice every single person in Gaza for there political points. People need to realise that.
I assume now Hamas will step up rocket attacks, while they have sympathy to get Israel to over react again.
You mentioned it rightly that one reson of the sufferening of Palestinians is because of The Muslim Greedy Governments itself. Towards that end you criticised Hamas that they don't care. Well Hamas has a good resistance history. If have laid its lives for the cause. If you had said the same for Al-Fatah, i would never have objected.
Secondly how come you say Iran only sends military aid to Israel? Are you really serious? I think it would be good if proper research oriented people come here and comment.
Thank you for deliberately misquoting me. You would get a good job in Fox News.
Iran only sends weapons to Hamas. It does nothing else as I have made clear in my message.
Should Israel allow uninspected aid past their blockade which will support Hamas? They should trust the European's word that it is only humanitarian aid? Why, because Europe has always been on the side of the Jews? It is not like Israel said no to any of the aid getting into the strip. Allowing it in uninspected was not going to happen though.
It is not like the missles have stopped flying out of Gaza and into Israel. It is ongoing, so I am not sure how you or anyone can so flippantly say that talking about Palestinian missles fired into Israel is irrelevant. When does self defense or survival come into play? You say that talking about the 8000 missles shows a lack of moral integrity. I find that your dismissal of those continued missle attacks to be indicative of your level of morality as well.
Who says common ground can't be found in this conflict? ;-)
Misquote or whatever...Just be more researchful when you people comment. On one side you hate Fox news and on the other you cannot speak out the truth. How strange !
What country would that be?
D you object to Hamas firing thousands of rockets into Israel and other similar incidents?
We should Nato forces in Israel now.
So whole Israeli lot is condemned to death...I know most will not agree but I think history is one big witness of this attitude of Israel.
Though a calculated nut, to plant the seed of probability to the ifantile minds of the islamo-facists that they would use a atomic weapon offensively.
According to Arie Stav's article Arabs and Nazism, in OUTPOST, January 1996:
"The Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini was the equal of any of the war criminals. In postwar testimony, a senior aide to Eichmann described el-Husseini's appetite for destruction. He said that the Mufti visited the Auschwitz gas chambers, in disguise, and reproved the Germans for their lack of diligence in the destruction of the Jews. He loudly protested the proposed Nazi deal to save 4,000 Bulgarian Jewish children or to exchange trucks for Hungarian Jews.
The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if its national hero were to be treated as a criminal. The Mufti was received as a national hero in Egypt where he was among the sponsors of the 1948 war. Indeed, the Mufti represents the link connecting the two attempts to destroy the Jews, that of the Nazis and that of the Arabs. It is thus not surprising that the Mufti has a lofty place in the PLO's pantheon. Arafat saw the Mufti as an educator and leader, declaring in 1985 that he deemed it an honor to walk in his footsteps. Arafat stressed that the PLO continued to march in the path carved out by the Mufti."
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Alternative passage was provided by Egypt and Israel which he refused. They intended to peacefully disobey another sovereign's country territorial laws without a repercusion. Can we call this action peacefull or delibrate provocation.
He has succeeded in distabilzing a shaky mid-east relationship.
I wonder when he is going on the next humanitarian trip to Sudan where the government is raping and killing innocent people everyday. We see people starving to death everyday in Dafur but he is interested in becoming overnight hero by going to Gaza. Compared to Darfur, Gaza is a paradise. Now we shoudl expect more bombing, rockets and more death. Thanks to our swedish hypocrite
This is quite depressing..
Please feel free to continue to ignore these most critical facts which will ultimately be to Israel's own loss and disadvantage (your choice):
1. the daily suffering of the Palestinians, in the West Bank and even more so in Gaza;
2. the total military domination that Israel already has, which guarantees its ability to overpower a Palestinian state indefinitely;
3. the anger at Israel that grows around the world precisely because it poses as a weak victim, despite its display of overwhelming strength;
4. the fact that Israel lashes out in bully-like fury because it is caught in the contradiction between myth and fact, which it cannot see.
I wonder what is the normal reaction when you're sitting on the deck in international water and then some commandos and helicopters fall from the sky with guns and rockets!!!
This looks like a pretty good reason to keep Turkey out of the EU.
@Iraniboy. What would happen in Iran if some people went after the Revolutionary Guards with metal sticks?
Buenos Aires, June 4th. - 2010.
Dear co-readers:
Almost a century ago, by the thirties, it was our first Nobel Prize,and of Peace, Dr. Carlos Saavedra Lamas who led the argentine doctrine named "La victoria no da derechos" (Victory does not give rights).
This is not the first time Israel goes trough arabic lands gaining the approval -or the consent- of the United States and her war industry.
Before the establishment of the state of Israel by the force of the "civilizated" world arabic and jews people shared the same territory in peace.
If the victory was to get a national state because of the nazi persecution during the 2nd. world war I don't feel that happiness reigns in the Middle East region.
And that is one of the reasons to establish of a state, for its people live in peace.
And this is not the only case published by the papers this week in Argentina, since another firm of England want to exploit the petroleum of my country for the force of the victory circumstamce of another war. (The war of Malvinas).
If we -as people- want to live in peace and happy we ought to reject that any country by any reason use the force to exploit economic and human resources as it is the custome of some countries of the "First" world.
After all I have been living twice in the United States and its people has everything but not mental health (see: Fromm, Erich "Psychoanalisis of the Contemporary Society")
Doctor Carlos Saavedra Lamas was not only a clever and wise man but also a prophet for a new mankind. Should Israel has to give back arabic territories, England should do the same with our Islas Malvinas.-
Contador Ricardo Alberto Zavi-Universidad Nacional de Cuyo
Argentine Citizen ID # 11,091,375-Mich ID # Z 100- 738-263 4
they drop an atom bomb" - Mankell
Fail troll is full of fail.
The latest stunt from the terrorists of Hamas for our gullible media.
"The Israeli's are surrounded by dictatorial states, most of which think Israel should be wiped of the face of the map. "
Oh really? Lets consider the most powerful and most populous Arab country in the region; Egypt..
Sadat, who made peace with Israel (Camp David Accord - 1975) and was assassinated for it, and American friend. I hear Israel is making a Square in Haifa in his Name.
Mubarak, another key US ally in the region, and maintained the peace with Israel, that's besides free Natural gas, and all that good stuff.
Saudi and its Saud monarchy, US buddies who won't stand a chance of survival without US support, with bases all over the country (and in Kuwait).
Jordan, a 1/2 British mutt - King Abdullah, whose intelligence works hand in hand with the US in Afghanistan.
Lebanon, lead by christian presidents for the longest time. Same Lebanese Christian Phalangists that Israel empowered and helped orchestrate (encircled and watched) the Sabra & Shatilla Palestinian refugee camps massacre.
Remember US/UK puppet Shah Pahlavi of Iran who was supplying Israel with Oil?
So to say that Israel is surrounded by dictatorial states who are determined to wipe Israel off the map is completely ridiculous. Because those dictatorship are only installed and fortified by Israel's closest ally, the US, to maintain its presence on the map.
The only democratically elected governments around Israel, whom the US had no influence on, are Hamas in Gaza, and Ordogan's Government in Turkey. And look what that brought on Israel.
I won't even mention Iran's Ahmadinejad administration, to spare myself the drama. Although it is a well known fact that the first democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mossadegh, was ousted in a military coup by the CIA and MI6. So that speaks volumes about Israel and the US/UK aspirations for so-called "democracy" in Iran..
If you consider Egyptian government a dictatorship, would you rather see Mubarak ousted in favor of the Muslim brotherhood?!!
Oh, I would love to see democratically elected governments in the middle-east, then Israel would have a lot more to worry about than just Hamas.