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Top Swedish crime writer Henning Mankell has accused Israel of "piracy" for its attack on a Gaza-bound aid fleet and has denied weapons were stashed on the ships, in comments broadcast on Wednesday.
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From Thomas Friedman NYTIMES. Accurate summary:
I have no problem with Turkey or humanitarian groups loudly criticizing Israel. But I have a big problem when people get so agitated by Israel's actions in Gaza but are unmoved by Syria's involvement in the murder of the prime minister of Lebanon, by the Iranian regime's killing of its own citizens demonstrating for the right to have their votes counted, by Muslim suicide bombers murdering nearly 100 Ahmadi Muslims in mosques in Pakistan on Friday and by pro-Hamas gunmen destroying a U.N.-sponsored summer camp in Gaza because it wouldn't force Islamic fundamentalism down the throats of children. That concern for Gaza and Israel's blockade is so out of balance with these other horrific cases in the region that it is not surprising Israelis dismiss it as motivated by hatred — not the advice of friends.
Question how much per word do they pay? I'm a little short on black market cash. Not Israeli Shekels though, good ole US dollars for me. any serious offers can be sent to me by PM. I can assure you of a very good post on as many forums as you want. I am much better than the usual dross you employ up til now LOL
thank you Mr Mankell for speaking out. please repeat the ships, do the voyages and never give up. the honest, peace loving people of the world are with you.
The Euros are frantically trying to appease and placate their own restive Muslim populations hoping to just get along. It won't work.
Israel Somali Pirates
1. Hijacks ships yes Yes.
2. feeds hostages No Yes
3. kills hostages Yes No
poof guess what, Somali pirates win. they are more civilized compared to the terrorist state.
The activists who launched the vicious assault on the boarding soldiers knew full well what they were doing. They had issued threat after threat against the IDF in the days building up to this morning's clash, with convoy organiser Huwaida Arraf brashly declaring his group's unwavering dedication to reaching Gaza: "They are going to have to forcefully stop us."
Club-wielding assailants might not fit the cute and cuddly image of stereotypical aid workers, but there can be no doubt from the evidence that those attacking the Israeli forces were not the archetype of calm and measured peace activists.
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
Fact 1: Israel imposed a blockade of Gaza to prevent weapon-carrying ships (such as Karine-A, look it up) from reaching the radical Islamic regime there that continues to make war on Israeli civilians, and vowed never to stop this war until all of Israel is destroyed. Furthermore, Egypt too blockades the strip for its own reasons, yet no one complains about it.
Fact 2: Humanitarian relief is delivered to Gaza from Israel on a daily basis. During the first three months of this year, 94,500 tons of supplies were transferred to Gaza from Israel, including 48,000 tons of food products; 40,000 tons of wheat; 2,760 tons of rice; 1,987 tons of clothes and footwear; and 553 tons of milk powder and baby food.
Fact 3: Even though it was done on international waters, the seizure wasn't "piracy", but very much LEGAL under the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, according to paragraphs 67, 146 and 14.
Fact 4: Israel never intended to block the humanitarian aid from reaching Gaza. Israel simply asked the organizers to deliver their humanitarian aid first to an Israeli port where it would be inspected before being forwarded to Gaza. The organizers refused, and ignored multiple instructions from Israeli navy ships to change course and follow them to Ashdod. "There are two possible happy endings," a Muslim activist on board explained, "either we will reach Gaza or we will achieve martyrdom."
Fact 5: When the family of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier who was kidnapped during a cross-border raid by Hamas in 2006, offered to support the flotilla if, in exchange, they would agree to ask Hamas to permit international agencies to visit their son - they were rebuffed.
Fact 6: When Israeli commandos descended to the deck of the Marmara, they were assaulted and beaten with metal poles, knives, and baseball bats by the Palestinians on board (look it up in youtube). Furthermore, at least three of the 9 dead hooligans expressed their desire to become "shahids" (martyrs) on this sail, another Dutch activist was found to be a senior Hamas member, while others were found to have links to other terror organizations like Al-Qaida. So much for the "Israel massacred innocent peaceful humanitarian activists" theory.
And so much for Mankell's bold faced lies. But alas, it looks like he's got a pretty supportive audience for his BS in this country.
as usual your 'facts' are the fiction supplied to you by your Mossad controllers.
Stop spouting bullshit
I take it that you're getting your pay check from Hammas?
I am not sure about Rick though it seems very clear where your voice is coming from!
But you know Rick, perhaps you're right, maybe I SHOULD contact the Mossad and demand some money. What a sucker I've been all this time, writing for free. As for the Mossad employing you as you suggested in @3 - then with the superficial and sloganistic reasoning in your writing - I bet the Mossad would actually pay you to continue posting on behalf of the other side.
If i read the question between the lines correctly, let me just say I am neither a Jew nor Christian, I am a local swede with both Israeli and Palestinian friends trying to make sense of all the hatred and bullshit posted as comments all over The Local.
I want to hear a healthy conversation and arguments from both sides.
youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
hej pinto, 'shirkovik' made the comment (#16) just in your fashion. Tha''s your comment viz making difference now.
who r israelis?
Answer: Worse then terrorist.
what a joke, Then I have the right to live in what ever house i like in the world if I have a Gun.
If I enter your house and take you out of your bed at gun point and then try to sleeep there and if your kid try to wake me up then I have the right to shoot him in head in self defence.
Israel got the money and power to do it, fine but dont f%%% our brains by the non sense propaganda.
Now if YOU where on a ship in international waters and a heavily armed and masked intruder Jumps on top of you from a helicopter, how are you going to react?
OK guys its only the IDF here to stun, beat and kill us lets just lye down and die like good little blockade busters should do.
@hagrid and pintoflex. You two seem to have some pretty violent tendencies. What would you do when somebody attacks you?
Thank You Mr Mankell ! Decent human being!
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has explained in words that even Henning Mankell and Carl Bildt in particular should be able to understand. The Full text later - for now, these are only excerpts of the speech he made about three hours ago:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE651266.htm
Mankell is being very soft and polite. Israelis leaders are freak-animals.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4223683/new-flotilla-video-released
Another video, taken from the ship's security cameras, shows the "activists" gearing up for battle. I've seen it on TV but not on youtube yet. Now this may not seem too much, but remember: these people professed themselves to be "innocent peaceful activists on a humanitarian aid mission"! Well, it certainly doesn't look this way from all the videos. They have proven themselves as liars. And if these are the "peaceful" types, I really don't want to meet the more militant ones...
"Stun beat and kill", Rick? That's demagoguery. The IDF was there simply to take control of the ship and divert it from Gaza. That's why the first soldiers who first descended were equipped merely with paint guns. All the violence could have been avoided. If these so-called "peace activists" hadn't tried to lynch the soldiers, everything would have ended peacefully... Just like in the other boats who did not riot and there was no bloodshed. Anyway, the facts I listed in my original comment already address every angle of this saga, and I really don't feel like repeating myself. I guess you found no real response for them.
You just quoted a Jew, who is (funny enough) pro-israeli, american journalist.
To Mr. Mankell: I doubt they have any conscience at all.
"The Jew's hand was ever, like Ishmael's, against every man but those belonging to the Synagogue. His fierce passions and fiendish cunning, combined with abnormal powers of intellect, with intense vitality, and with a persistency of purpose which the world has rarely seen, and whetted moreover by a keen thirst for blood engendered by defeat and subjection, combined to make him the deadly enemy of all mankind, whilst his unsocial and iniquitous Oral Law contributed to inflame his wild lust of pelf, and to justify the crimes suggested by spite and superstition."
@Authentica,
I'll quote anybody, unlike some people... i have no problems in quoting jews
or for that matter christians, muslims, hindus or whatever.
@Rick Methven (#24),
If I was going by customs of a country, and they told me i had to follow certain procedures before entering their land, I would.
And like it or not, that IS Isreal, their land, their country, their state.
If I didnt follow their instructions, and in this case **repeated** instructions - few would argue i would deserve what would be coming to me.
Or to put it in baby terms, imagine you are coming into Stockholm via Arlanda and you didnt want to follow the security procedures, and even put up a fight when told repeatedly what to do - you would certainly get what you deserved coming to you.
Also, according to Red Cross there have only been 2-3 deliveries over the following 2 years of smaller amounts and no medical. Aid needs to be a bit more... aid like..
You can argue about if this ships should be allowed to enter Gaza, but:
The ships were attacked on f*cking INTERNATIONAL WATERS.
Boycott everything made in Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Israel
http://www.transnationale.org/countries/isrs.php
Israel Jews should remember they needed help from people during World War II against Nazi forces.. where all the Jews were locked into a walled area and slowly killed and food had to be secretly smuggled in.... Sound familiar? How is this different in effect (yes, the facts differ, but the overall effect looks exactly the same in result)
Thanks! I really appreciate that link!
That gives all of us _sane_ people the companies we SHOULD support!
Thanks again!
Thanks! I really appreciate that link!
That gives all of us insane nazi people the companies we SHOULD support!
Thanks again! "
Fixed.
Please try to avoid going down that path.
On the 17th of June 1981 I read the complete account of Sir Richard Burton's Pilgrimage to Mecca and still remember vividly all that he said.
Remember: if you act or talk like your enemy, then you are the enemy.
Wa Salaam
Being a victim of so called HOLOCAUST they are proving to be a GREAT FOLLOWER of HITLER.
I HAIL European and other western countries. In spite of reservedness towards ISLAM, they are supporting the cause of PALESTINIAN and showing their love towards humanity.
WELL DONE EUROPE.
My simple question is to SO CALLED ARAB COUNTRIES ruled by present DICTATORS, Who are not just keeping mum on the issue of PALESTINE but also PROVING their IMPOTENCE. How far you bend your heads and A_S_S.
Is 250 Nuclear WarHeads of ISRAEL is enough for your A_s_s. or you want more.
ARAB DICTATORS just LEARNED HOW TO BEG. &
HOW TO BEG IN FRONT OF "FATHER AMERICA".
JAI HIND :)
Remember one thing extremist are fanatics not sane muslims.....and a huge group of muslims in Gaza are not fanatics, they just want their home....not to be driven out like dogs. Attacking the ships in international waters is an act of terrorism, so the same to those suiside bombers that blew up Twin towers, Bali incident and etc.......
Between Israel's disengagement from Gaza through last November 30, Palestinian forces fired 3,123 rockets into southern Israel, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs calculates. Since Hamas seized control in June 2007, Gazans have shot 1,685 rockets into Israel -- 1,212 of them between January 1 and November 30, 2008. Hamas fired 177 missiles at Israel, even during a June 19-December 19, 2008 "state of calm." Indeed, rockets are Gaza's chief export.
Gazans also fired 2,299 mortar shells into Israel since 2005. Israelis traded land for peace. Instead, they got land for pieces of shrapnel. Since Israel withdrew, Gaza's rockets and mortars have pummeled southern Israel, killing 17, wounding 851, and terrorizing some 200,000 others.
*just a thought*
1) Why they hadn"t give back the activists cameras, mobile phones?
Israel did not let any other information to be provided to the world for almost 1 day! 2)Activists say: IDF start to shot the ship before they land to ship. So, what would you aspect from activists to do then?
3)If this ship was a greenpeace ship or any other type of ship and if it was Iran which attacked what would have happened?
4)New generation will not remember Jews as victim of Hitler, instead as supporter of a goverment who killed peace activists
5)I agree with Rich Metven that, here the same people usually repated the same words, and try to manipulate here. They have nothing but just blame immigrants (muslim ones!), and just provide biased data to convince the rest of the world
6)Israel was being supported for many years since they claimed they are the only democracy in the region! Now, Turkey showed his progess and power.
7)Israel stil claims and will try to say that Turkey is fundementalist country, due to the current goverment, the reality is not true. Current goverment, even they do not hide they are muslims, they would like to integrate in europe. Do they have defects, yes, but they agree on having a secular country, with European norms. On the other hand, Isreal is a "religion based" country.
8)Israel is trying to prove that, these is not humatarian aid, it is islamic aid. It is not true. it is well organized, multi national humatarian aid. On the other hand, if it were an islamic organisation bringing aid, what is the difference? it is going for the people in the suffer.
9)IDF lost all its reputation, They proved that, they are easily beatable!
10)about knives, if it was used, some stupid people asked why they had knives..hej, stupid! don't u ever use knive in your kitchen?
11)advice to Israel goverment: resign and let Jews to select another peaceful goverment, asap. New ships are coming..You can not have a war with Turkey. Turkey is not Syria, Turkey is not Iraq. You were not able to beat Lubnan, how come you can beat Turkey?
http://www.adl.org/braun/dim_14_1_neutrality_europe.asp
Why dont you Mossad trolls just jump into the sea and drown yourselves
Oh, and the source I posted, the ADL, has recently stood firm on rejecting alll anti-Islamic rhetoric.
Mossad. Really!? Are you one of those people who believe that "Mossad secretly notified all the Jews to not go into work on 9/11" crap too?
I have no problem with Mossad paying a fortune to blog on this or other sites, how much do they pay the average idiot, $20-30K, well as far as I am concerned that's $20-30K less to bomb Gaza.
@truthworthy
I recall a recent article where it described how the Somali pirates were using the money they had raised to fund local infrastructure (schools etc...), their activities appear to be Marxism in action and certainly a lot more just than the behaviour of the average Wall Street Banker?
Yes i know; Mankell and the other persons are just disgiused communist terrorists.
Are you that f*cking stupid?
Get the heads out of your asses and wake up.
Those who are defending Israel in this case are just blind followers of nazism..
This does NOT mean blockage anything that moved from getting in however, that's called a seige, it means for can stop everyone - make sure there are no war based weapons (rocks and sticks are not a war weapon) and let them thru to Gaza if they have no weapons, more-so if they bring aid. If they have weapons, Israel can take them and arrest and keep the ship for all I care - but they have tp be war weapons.
They say a picture paints a thousand words:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/headline9637e7.jpg
@ Buckshot, you're either blind, dumb or both.
@ Hindustani 786 "ISRAEL. Whose birth is illegitimate." Take up history. Didn't think Hindu's were muslim!
@krdx:- http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/194026, they did'nt confiscate this camera
You're as deceitful as the rest, the "first" news report shows otherwise.
http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/194026
They were'nt throwing tomatoes
You must be retarded.
No I'm an optimist, & the Chinese are going to need somewhere to park 200,000,000 cars
The world body should demand more than lifting the embargo on Gaza. Israel should leave all the land it occupied in 1967 without conditions attached. The US government is part of the problem.
We the people of Europe and the US should boycott Israeli goods until it gives Palestinians their independence or allows Palestinians to vote in united Israel-Palestinian country, where religion of both nations is banished from politics for good.
Tiny little Israel is surrounded by bigger Arab countries, but still holds its head up strong and dictates who can come in and how they can come in.
I kind of understand, if they were my people - I too would be pretty ashamed of myself.
Have you been creeping up behind these naughty arabs? ;-))
I think you hit the nail on the head, although I thought they liked it from behind
Anyways, muslim appeasement will only lead to more terrorists attacks. It is written in quaran that there will be no peace till all world turns to (p)islam. (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm).
So if you kill them all now or later is just a matter of time.
(let me repeat)
According the the UN conventions, it's only piracy when commited by private entities. State actors are not included NO MATTER IF ITS 10 OR 100 MILES FROM THEIR STATE..
But another fact you will throw out of your numskulls of course, but worth mentioning nonetheless.
@Flintis, they do like it from behind... why do you think they were sheep and camel herders for so long? Unfortunately I am not willing to give them my big whang simply because 1. im not gay, 2. even if i was i wouldnt give it to the pedo followers (least we forget Aisha was 6-9 years old when Muhammed defiled her).
@wolverine2k, exactly, apparently the whole world belongs to 'Allah's people' - unfortunately he didnt give them brains to handle even a small part of it, for example did you see what they did to Afghanistan when the Taliban got it? or what they are doing to Denmark and the UK? now imagine if they got *total* control of someplace like New York... I know, hard to imagine but still scary thoughts.
Check out what an expert has to say about it:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/05/the_legal_posit.html
This is the wrong thread for your gay talk.
Jed Nightingale
NYC
So half part of his time is spent in trying to solve the above problem and the other half, he is busy burning unbelievers in hell again and again. Imagine burning once, then giving new skin and burning again and so on without any breaks! What a sucker job!
And his burden is only going to increase because he will have more non-believers to burn and more martyrs to distribute his limited supply of virgins. BTW, he should probably do some round robin scheduling of the virgins between all the martyrs ;)
Now I know why they each need 72 virgins, it's to clean up the sh#t from all the white horses ;-))
Wonder where they pile it, I could do with some for my rose bushes.
Different names, same bullsh*t
Let people believe whatever they want, without being so f*cking patronizing.
I disagree, I think the USA is the problem, not only in Palestine, but also in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Mexico, Colombia, Somalia etc...
@Guy with a big whang
Yes I agree that for a 1000 years the Turks did all the fighting while the Arabs (excluding the North Africans) sat on their backsides and took all the credit, however you appear to show a surprising lack of historical knowledge or deliberately ignoring historical facts, such as the fact that from 1918 to 1948 the Europeans systematically disarmed the local Arabs while flooding the Zionists with arms. In fact as far as I am aware the only Army that was capable of putting up a reasonably equipped force was the Jordanians, and if you you knew anything about the region you would know that they are ethnic Jews. However stepping aside from all that rubbish, as former member of the UK military I have yet to meet anyone who has served in any military that would describe attacking Civilian areas with phosphorus shells as courageous. By the way, were you one of the Jews that was having a picnic on the hills over looking Gaza, cheering every time a brave IDF soldier fired a 155mm shell from 20km away at one of these dangerous Hamas members:
http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/...inian_child.jpg
Israel's motives are obvious, the most important one being maintaining the blockade on Gaza.
Hamas actually uses the same argument that Israel does.
Israel to Gazans: Hamas is starving you.
Hamas To Gazas: Israel is starving you.
Poor Gazans. And they thought they were electing the lesser of two evils (anecdotal evidence showed Fateh was a lot more corrupt than Hamas).
Fact of the matter is, Hamas has long been infiltrated. It's no secret... So one shouldn't be surprised that Hamas often "inadvertently" serves Israel's interests.
Unfortunately, there's no loophole for Gazans to get out of this... charade..
as a wise man once said: Opinions are like arseholes everyone has one and they all stink.
http://bigbrassblog.com/media/6/20090117-i...09wikipedia.jpg
I have heard a number of people mention they wish to boycott unethical companies, may I suggest Com-Hem which is now unfortunately a part of the Carlyle group.
Peace to every one and I hope you all remember to have a wonderful weekend with your children:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/headline9637e7.jpg
I already experienced the anti-swiss propaganda after the minaret-ban. Is this all because of the high number of muslims here in Sweden?
http://palestinianvoice.files.wordpress.co...ad_children.jpg
Reports have just arrived MV Rachel Corrie has been illegally boarded by IDF fascists, may I invite all my brothers to recite a short prayer for our Martyred Sister Rachel Corrie and the 111 children poisoned while gold mining in Nigeria.
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