UNHCR warns Sweden over Iraq deportations

The thing I don't understand is this: Lets assume for a second that some areas in Iraq are problematic, why can't the person relocate in other parts INSIDE the same country? Why does he/she have to go half away around the world to find salvation?

Any comments?

Probably has something to do with the rest of the country or even adjacent countries not offering benefits, housing, children's and adult allowances, free health care, language courses etc. Half way round the world is better !

Unload them, Sweden! Sweden is for Swedes. Double period.

I don't understand why we are allowed to comment on this story but not about the Muslim rioting in Rinkeby?

Nachos,

For the same reason that the immigrant population of Rinkeby is only mentioned when immigrants are harmed in tragic incidents like fires. It is not pc to mention that Rinkeby has a 60% immigrant population when immigrant caused violence is likely, or in this story when possible violence might be done to repatriated immigrants.

http://www.thelocal.se/20910/20090726/

Unreal, Calabian. If Sweden wants to start deporting people then they should start with those who are throwing stones at police, ambulances, firefighters, etc. and generally rioting for no reason.

I feel bad for those government services. Sweden feels the need to add violent people to its country but does not reinforce it's police to deal with it. Prior to the 1980s Sweden could not even fathom a violent culture of people actually attacking the police force, firefighters, EMTs, etc. So they have to deal with that and also have to deal with the UN criticizing them for deporting these same people (basically)? What a crazy country.

"Demonizing" the influx of immigrants is counter productive to the liberal mentality that letting in everyone will fix the demographic problem associated with a top heavy retired population and declining birth rates of traditional Vikings. This is why problems associated with certain immigrant groups are handled with pc gloves. Yes, there is a huge demographic problem in Sweden and Europe in general but it is short sighted to throw open one's borders to everyone. Sensible immigration where a benefit for Sweden must be shown before entry and caps on refugee numbers should be established. But any such talk has been labeled bigoted and fringe mentality here in Sweden.

The irony is that Swedish companies make some of the most exclusive and exacting weapons in the world, that are then used in these parts if the world. A Swedish oil company has historically used the instability of one country to gain exploration and extraction contracts, in effect supporting the human rights violation if that government. It's poetic justice in a way.

All those countries including EU (the bigest pupit of USA) must be held responsible for what is going on in iraq, now should show courage and accomodate them too because they started war there!!!!!!

So it's basically a quantity over quality situation as it pertains to the people coming in. Throw 30,000 mostly uneducated, violence-prone warm bodies into the mix of society every year and hopefully the demographic problem will just work itself out somehow. This is a naive and as you said, shortsighted approach to what should be a pretty easy problem to solve.

Sweden could easily recruit educated, well-behaved people from many parts of world. It's an extremely attractive country. Beautiful landscape, reasonably nice people, absolutely gorgeous women, free education, the list goes on and on. Trying to put square pegs into round holes is not the answer.

The question remains unanswered: Why bring them here in the first place???? What on earth is sweden hoping to achieve??? Hoping to be known known as a kind & "snäll" land?? Haha, that's somewhat backfired if you look at the facts.

Time to wake-up, Sweden.

Deporting needy people is so cruel and inhuman treatment. Sweden is rich, So the money should be spent to support all human beings regardless their cultural/philosophical/religious backgrounds from any nationality. That's what humans are for.

It is not fair nor acceptable to spend millions on fancy wedding while children in Gaza, Somalia, Congo and South America suffer from poverty. Kids and families in that side of the planet sleep hungry most of their nights.

The West caused death for half a million children under-five during the Iraq sanctions. No food, no clean water, no medicine. All that God-Awful punishment was just to please the satanic state "Israel".

No one can forget the leaders of the satanic state "Israel" when they were beating the drums of the war against Iraq and spreading despicable lies in US and EU that Iraq has weapon of mass destructions and Saddam is Hitler, Now, they are doing the same with Iran. I wonder who is is next?

Marko, newsflash for you.....Muslims have killed more Muslims in Iraq than the US or Israel has. Another bit of news...there are no Jewish people in Rinkeby.

@Nachos

all i can say is that you are disgusting and I truly feel physically sick and want to puke from your comment.

Are you justifying killing human beings... So, if Muslims are killing each other, then, that give the right to US and Israel should kill Muslims as well. You are such an animal-freak...

Also, Who talked about Jews or any other religion?

I did not see an justification of killings in Nachos comment. It was only the way of your thinking that emerged it.

It was just showing the other view of the story we shouldn't neglect.

The Iraq war was a crime to start the way they did.

So was the way former Iraqi people treated their own people and their surroundings. The sanctions were not only for fun!

I believe the solution is not that Iraqi people desert their home and expect benefits in and from other countries. Better to solve the situation home. Put resources into that instead of helping them in Sweden.

Further more obviously Sweden cannot accept more refugees without endangering the living standard of their own people.

Nachos,

Don't bother, Marko is a muslim revisionist. Anything anti muslim even if it is true will be construed as bigoted. He also claims to be a psychiatrist practicing in Stockholm, so watch out! His superior intellect will strike you down. Strangely, sarcasm is completely lost upon that monumentally superior intellect. He also studied the Bahai faith in Israel, which in his mind makes him able to speak authoritatively about all things Jewish or Israeli.

The invasion of Iraq by the US and its allies is a crime against humanity. There are now about five million refuges in Syria and Jordan. The number of refugees that ran into Western Europe is minor. Just because media is not interested in Iraq news does not mean that Iraq is stable. The Arabs (Sunnis and Shiites) on one hand the Arabs and Kurds on the other are looking each other with suspicion. They are ready to pounce at each other at any moment in time.

This is what I suggest Swedish and its allies could do with regard to Iraq refuges. Treat them as guests and give them accommodation in of the small towns in Sweden that are on a decline. Open Arabic school, TV and radio stations so that they do not forget their culture. When Iraq becomes peaceful it will not be difficult to move them back to their home country.

Right now Iraq is not stable. It is stable when the green zone is not any more fortified.

TO WHOM SO EVER IT CONCERN!

American and Britishers + ISRAEL are obliged to take all iraqi's (Shia,Sunni, Jew, Christian) refugees. Since they are the real culprit who started war. who created venom in different communities and who made worst of worst.

Sweden, neitherland should deport all iraqis not to Iraq but to America, UK and Israel.

Do Sweden, Neitherland have that guts to do so . Can ever they go and talk straight to their GODFATHER USA & UK.

NOTE:- Refugees must get all sort of privileges as any American,British& Israeli citizens are offered.

Förstår DU :D

@calebian22

YES I'm a Muslim and I love my religion more than my sweetheart daughter who I would die for. And Yes I am concerned about all Muslims around the world because they are my own.

So, If you don't like that, I simply don't car

@Audrian & @Hindustani786

I respect your opinions but I totally disagree with it. Part of me thinking that you sounded as Sweden and the West is doing Iraqis refugees a favor by supporting them.

GOD NO !

The West (Including both: Those who killed innocent civilians, And those who kept silent like cowards about the massacres) have all the responsibility and should payback for the massive distractions and losses that occurred due to their inhuman actions.

So, Sweden is NOT doing a favor. It must do that.

Also, let's exclude "Netherland" from the equation those Diamond thieves who steal resources from South Africa and natural resources from Indonesia should pay heavily.

@subzero

What a narrow-minded...

Maybe when your level of intellect improves from its current position "subzero: beneath zero", then, there might be a chance that your opinion might add up.

I'm all for immigration but it needs to be done smartly.

Have a reasonable limit on how many people are allowed in, make sure the people being let in are already educated and can / want to contribute to and become part of Swedish society, and don't hold extremist views. Also have a time limit on how long these people can recieve benefits and how much they recieve.

It's not fair that the average swede with a spouse and 1 or 2 children that works 40 hours a week should have to pay long-term for anyone who has 4-10 children and hasn't worked a day in Sweden. There should be a limit of 3 years or something, after that, if you're not supporting yourself and your family with a job then you should leave.

On the other side of that coin, swedes need to be better about hiring non-swedes and Sweden needs to change it's policy when it comes to reconizing education and qualifications from other countries. It's stupid that there are doctors, scientists and lawyers working in pizza places because it's such a pita to get Sweden to acknowledge their experience.

Taking in tons of refugees without screening them and handing out passports like candybars doesn't help anyone. It creates a bigger welfare state in EU countries, more ghettos and more rascism. It doesn't help the countries where these refugees are coming from either. Alot of refugees are the ones who had the money back in their home countries to pay someone to get them out, those countries are losing alot of their educated people. The poor ones left behind aren't as able to make positive change.

These countries need paradigm shift. It needs to come from the people and the leaders of those countries. No amount of help from the west or anywhere is will work. They need to completly change how they view themselves, each other, women, religion etc. etc. etc. Refugee immigration is not a long term solution.

It's really tragic that Scandanavian nations are paying thousands of Krona's to families of illetarate, ignorent and 3rd class crude people from Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Iran and Afghanistan.

These people have no place within their own countries and there children are also ------... They don't know any morals, self respect, dignity neither they understand the value of education.

If there is shortage of work force then attract educated and skilled people from 3rd world countries rather than these -----------..

Marko,

Your comment about your daughter and Islam is very illuminating.

It's not that difficult, before they come, ask if their religion is more important than their daughters. If yes, deny the entrance.

Marko

Why dont you go back to your country and help build it rather than living in an INFIDEL country and complain??

dont your religion say you must live by the law of the land??

Marko has claimed to be a psychologist (then used the word 'retard' to describe mentally challenged people). He also has declared that he makes his daughter wear a niqab. There are many like this throughout Europe yet somehow Europe takes heat for not finding some way to integrate these people?? Is that a joke?

Markos remark about prioritizing islam higher than his daughter, just shows how a typical muslim is completely fanatical about his religion.

A european christian or heathen would only very rarely love his religion more than his own flesh and blood.

Islam is a dangerous and fascist ideology, which should be held in check.

First thing is to repatriate the hordes of welfare muslims living in Sweden, next thing is to put a stop to all future muslim invasion and colonization to the country.

Gert Wilders has spoken wisely.

@calebian22 #22

Even though I extremely doubt that a mindless element like you is able to understand a basic analogy, but YES. I mean every word of that comment.

@Caribbean guy/Swedish Gal #24

Sverige is my country. As a matter of fact I'm pure Scandinavian from both father and mother sides more than most of the trolls who comment on this site.

Therefore, just cut the crap and zip your face.

@Nachos #25

"he makes his daughter wear a niqab."

Shame on you...Why you do that?

Go to: (http://www.thelocal.se/26766/20100521/) and read my comment #50

BTW, let me educate you: Hijab doesn't mean Niqab.

@Jannik #26

Let me correct you and give you the accurate order of my love:

1- Allah.

2- Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).

=> 1 & 2 => Islam.

3- My Daughter.

"A european christian or heathen would only very rarely love his religion more than his own flesh and blood."

112% correct. I've been there. I suffered a lot due to the emptiness in my soul, heart and mind. Then, Allah guides me to the TRUE religion ISLAM.

For this great religion (ISLAM) I left Christianity, Baha'i and my wife. Also, I'm willing to leave my country Sverige if I felt that government is targeting and suppressing Muslims.

Marko,

I know you meant every word of your comment. That is why it was illuminating. I feel sorry for your daughter.

You don't have to pity my daughter. She knows that very well, and FYI that makes her happy since she is a Muslim and she believes in the same principle too.

Helen Keller said "Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification, but through fidelity to a worthy purpose".

= There is nothing more valuable on earth and heavens more than Islam.

@Marko

Thank you for elaborating. Loving your own flesh and blood higher than a diety, does not equate emptiness in ones soul.

Your children are your biological legacy once you are dead. Investing in your descendents is existentially very meaningful.

Being more devoted and loving towards a historical person, in this case a "prophet" called Muhammed, is just plain crazy.

Every day i am unfortunately strengthened in my belief, that islam and its adherents are crazy fanatics, who are willing to go very far to defend and expand their religion. By all means necessary, this includes violence and terrorism.

I am also convinced that islam is not compatibel with western culture.

"Also, I'm willing to leave my country Sverige if I felt that government is targeting and suppressing Muslims."

This might be true for you, but not the great majority of muslims. They will stand and fight along all of islams bloody borders. They will bide their time, knowing that they demographically get stronger every day, and that weak western governments are more interested in appeasing the muslim colonizers, than stopping the immigrant tsunami.

The west is doomed if this sick scenario keeps on unfolding itself.

@Jannik #30

Let's briefly analyze your point of view:

The biological legacy of Alois Hitler is Adolf Hitler.... What a great and meaningful perpetuation that Alois Hitler has....

Dolores Ibárruri, Mohandas Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln and before all of them is Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) are GREAT people who are honored and remembered because of Their principles and what they made for the humanity. They didn't need biological legacy as you've explained.

When Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) starts preaching Islam his own tribe disowned him and try to take him out. However, Allah protects him, and he said "if they put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left in return for my giving up Islam, I would not give it up until Allah makes Truth victorious, or I die in His service".

Love is a tiny word to describe the feeling that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) has for the coming generations. He taught Muslims sensational and spiritual values which includes love, sacrifice, caring and the list never ends.

Also, I don't appreciate that you're spouting the West's propaganda and associating violence and terrorism with Islam. In fact that hurts me.

@Marko- What actions would you take if your daughter eventually decided to leave Islam? Just wondering.

@Jannik#30

Organize with your fellow countrymen and vote for a leader who will rid Sweden and all of Scandinavia of the fanatics of Islam. You're right,they're definitely not compatible with western cultures.

Sweden belongs to the Swedes, not the fanatical followers of Islam. Send them all back to the backward lands from which they came.

@Nachos #32

FYI...

My daughter is very strong Muslim (Which means: your so-called question is invalid), and she is fabulously successful in her studies. I am very proud of her.

Oh, ok. Because the consensus among both Shia and Sunni schools of thought is that a female who leaves Islam should be either executed or imprisoned until they revert back to Islam. Just wondering, which one you (a proud Muslim) would select?

@Marko

"The biological legacy of Alois Hitler is Adolf Hitler.... What a great and meaningful perpetuation that Alois Hitler has...."

Well of course you had to cherry pick one of the most hated men in modern history. For the great majority of people, they love their children, and except for muslims, dont love their children less than some religious figure.

"They didn't need biological legacy as you've explained."

These are famous people who will be broadly respected by many people, irrespective of kinship ties.

But for ordinary people, their descendents are their most important tie to the material world once they are dead. Who will honour and remember the average joe once he has deceased?

Mostly friends, aquaintencess, and not least, family.

"Also, I don't appreciate that you're spouting the West's propaganda and associating violence and terrorism with Islam. In fact that hurts me. "

Well im sorry it hurts you, but i will not compromise what i believe to be the truth.

We are right now witnessing yet another european instance of muslim "intifada" in Stockholm suburb Rinkeby. Similar situations have arisen in countries like Denmark, The Netherlands, UK and France.

It appears that all the love muslims harbour for their prophet and their faith, is balanced with hatred towards all infidels. Especially if these infidels do not comply with with muslim demands and show "respect".

Now this really hurts me and fills me with anger.

@Nachos

Pretty obvious that you're not a clearheaded.

Besides, Islam is the perfect logic and sense in itself. Therefore, no sane human being who has the privilege of being a Muslim would think of leaving Islam.

Stop imagining and go read about how Allah guides some rabbis and priests to convert to the RIGHT religion Islam.

Haha, Marko. Ok, I'll go ahead and do that. Since you don't want to answer the question then we can all go ahead and assume that an "honor killing" is something that you definitely would commit if necessary.

I can see now the beauty of Islam that you are referring to. Starting to wonder if Marko isn't a troll? If not, what the heck is he doing living in western society?

@Nachos

Even though, my religion Islam teaches me to be kind with others, and not insulting people's intelligence, But your case is special.

I can conclusively say that you suffer from sever mental retardation. You've showed clearly how you lack the skills of differentiating between Hijab and Niqab. You've showed clearly how you've significant difficulty in exercising and learning basic social rules where you claimed that I force my daughter ti wear Niqab while my text was literally stating that "it is unthinkable for me to harm her feelings or forcing her to do anything". On top of that you're memory act up terrifically where you showed all the readers how douchebag you are.

"Honor Killing" has nothing to do with any religion, it is something associated with the cultural backgrounds and some human desires. "Honor Killing" you bloody goon is a male kill his wife, sister or daughter if she commits adultery.

FYI... Finland has high rate of what so-called "Honor Killing" but media is manipulating terms properly . Each year sadly many women get killed by their european origin boyfriends or husbands because of cheating on them or even some rumours.

@@Jannik

Islam since over 1430 years never, ever allows harming others by all means. Whatever @Jannik claims about Islam is just completely wrong.

As for "intifada" if @Jannik bothers to just look it up before he talks utter ignorance, s/he would have realize that it means: resisting foreign occupier and that is something deserve to be respected.

As for "intifada" if @Jannik bothers to just look it up before he talks utter ignorance, s/he would have realize that it means: resisting foreign occupier and that is something deserve to be respected.

As for the "Riot" which is happening in some very very few places, if @Jannik bothers to ask him/her self a simple basic question: Why on earth do we have Somalians and Iraqis in our country?

Then, if s/he is honest, the answer would be: The West has colonize, killed, occupied, steal and completely destroyed these people's countries. Therefore the obvious consequences is that these people should come over here.

Most of you are part of the people who drive with your cars day after day, isolate yourself at workplaces 10 hours per day, spend your money on sh*t...You are the worse parasites (but you just don't get it). You talk about freedom, meaningless solutions...And you think you have something NEW to add?! Your decadent and immoral lifestyle has a catastrophic impact on the enviroment, animals and other people ( poor, vulnerable...)...BUT YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. Some of you have children, instead for discussing the same matter over and over again DO something!!! Or seek some real help to clear up your dirty minds...If not, look for a precipice and test jumping without parachute.

@arslan

I am amazed at your crude comments. Does education mean skill and degrees? Can you define what education is?

You may have too mcuh knowledge but what if you use that knwoldege for the negatives. How many big graduates and CEOs are corrupt? Can u count them? How many of of these so called well educated people are actually contributing towards the world without creating any disorder in the environment physically or ethereally?

What was the education of the gretest people on the face of earth? Any idea?

Grow up my frined. By the way there are a lot of businessmen who can hire a lot of Ivy league graduates. Businessmen are even more educated if you count the degree holders to be educated.

Marko, what would you do if your daughter chose to leave Islam? Hypothetically,

@Schwoebel

What would you do if a chicken swallows a train or airplane ?

Look, if we have to deport the Iraqi brothers anywhere I say we deport them to the UK, after all the reason most of them are in Europe is becouse the racist English Military bombed them out of their homes in the first place, they broke it, they can fix it. Besides most of the Iraqis I have met in Sweden have all told me they wan't to move UK, why I have no idea, you would think being treated like sh#t by the English for the last 90 years would have thought them something; I guess they all think they are going to be living next door to rich Jews and drive around in mercedes?

@Schwoebel-

It's pretty obvious by now what he would do (kill her) because he refuses to answer the question. The guy seriously needs to consider leaving Europe and going to the Middle East somewhere. I'm not much into prayer but I'll be saying one for that poor, little girl today.

@ Kronaboy

I see you were mouthing off on the section ''Little interest in military service-warning''. Where you claim that the British military is racist and that you had served for five years in such a unit. Well put your big mouth where your money is and tell us all which unit that was? I see you haven't done so on the other thread, perhaps you would like to do so here for all to see. I personally think your full of BS. I personally have no problems with Muslims in fact I dated a lovely Muslim girl many years ago, well before the atmosphere was poisoned by the likes of you and your fanatical brothers.

For those Harry Potteresque fantasists, stop dreaming about the Iraqis being deported to Israel, the UK or the US because you Muslims will convert to Orthodox Judaism before that ever happens. Stick to Rowlings' fiction, it won't give you so much stress.

The UN is worthless. It neither prevents wars or ensures the Peace. It is a Leftist debating society that scolds the west and promotes third world dictators to the detriment of the entire planet.

@Earandur Lissesul

And your opinion is of importance to me because????

Marko2010S.. Let me get this straight.... During the first Gulf War, Iraq sent hundreds of scud rockets into Israel, UNPROVOKED. Israel had every right to retaliate against Iraq for this but didn't. SO here is Iraq attacking Israel but Israel didn't fight back. Sounds like Israel was the peaceful one or else tell me how it wasn't. Secondly, please tell me how Israel is involved in the current Iraq war. Iraq attacked Israel in 1948 without cause and is still at war with it even though Israel didn't even threaten it in 1948. Sorry but you are a loser who doesn't even know history.

@ajs42548 #50

What a load of crap, The Gaza Raid , in 1955 was from Israel against the Egyptians . There had been battles between Syria and Israel in 1966. And let us not forget who attacked the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad, was it not Israel ????

How could you write something like that without even getting your facts straight, you PEACEFUL zionist.

And Israel is involved in current Iraq war because they believe that Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting for both Iraq and Palestine. And Israeli companies are infiltrating the Iraqi market too, there are more than 100 Israeli companies active in Iraq now. Did you get the point or should I explain more , you goon.