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Students choosing wrong courses: report

Published: 9 Jun 10 13:16 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
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While an increasing number of upper secondary (gymnasium) schools are competing for a declining number of students, many students are choosing the wrong schools or programs, a new report shows. Large numbers are opting to switch courses after starting their studies.

Fifteen percent or 17,600 students who were in the last year of high school in the fall of 2009 had changed schools and/or their program, according to a report from the National Agency for Education (Skolverket).

Many of the changes take place at the beginning of the first semester, said Charlotta Mannerfelt, project manager for the study.

"We think that study and career guidance services are insufficient in lower secondary school [grundskola]. Do students really know what they are choosing?" said Mannerfelt.

Even though demographic trends will lead to a sharp decline in the number of students in the next few years - from a peak of nearly 400,000 the last school year to less than 300,000 in the fall of 2016 - there is still strong interest in setting up new state-funded independent 'free' schools.

In Linköping, the student population is expected to decline 20 percent by 2016.

The increased competition has led many schools to engage in increasingly aggressive advertising. According to Skolverket's questionnaires to the country's municipalities, a larger selection of courses, particularly in big cities, can be confusing for students.

However, the survey responses also showed that eight out of 10 municipalities believe that the competition led to a improved quality in the local schools.

As school and program changes become increasingly common, the number of students that take four years to complete high school, instead of three years, is also increasing. In many cases, program changes involved the student taking more than three years to complete high school.

"There is a connection," said Mannerfelt.

The reasons behind the changes mentioned in the questionnaires and interviews included students being tired of their long commutes, the program not meeting their expectations or getting a place in the program that they had wanted to attend in the first place.

Every other municipality also mentioned that student re-admissions during the admission period complicates planning and sizing for high schools. In addition, the outcomes of the drop in the number of students are different in urban and rural areas.

"Municipalities have very different conditions," said Mannerfelt. "In rural areas, a decrease in the number of students can be problematic. In urban municipalities, the combination of an increased number of independent schools and a drop in the number of pupils [creates issues]."

She added, "Some municipalities are planning so they have still have places left in popular programs or programs that are less expensive, such as social studies."

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15:02 June 9, 2010 by Kronaboy
No such thing as a wrong course, but if I were to be asked for my advise I would say keep away from courses with ugly girls and where you have to study (i.e. Law) and go for courses with lots of babes and great parties (i.e. drama), and try and make it last as long as possible (i.e. fail a year or two).
21:02 June 9, 2010 by Swedesmith
Call me an old fuddy duddy, but I'd say take the courses that would lead to a good job.

As far as babes go, I've seen many homely men who have a fat wallet and a beautiful wife (and perhaps a beautiful mistress as well). Money is a powerful aphrodisiac.
21:08 June 9, 2010 by Kronaboy
and how many rich lawyers have you met?
21:34 June 9, 2010 by villjobba
15:02 June 9, 2010 by Kronaboy

No such thing as a wrong course, but if I were to be asked for my advise I would say keep away from courses with ugly girls and where you have to study (i.e. Law) and go for courses with lots of babes and great parties (i.e. drama), and try and make it last as long as possible (i.e. fail a year or two)

AND BE COMPLETELY USELESS, POOR AND MISERABLE IN THE FUTURE FOR LEARNING AN UNMARKETABLE TRADE. I SEE SO MANY EVERYDAY TODAY AT 30YRS OLD GNASHING THEIR TEETH BC THEIR DEGREES CANT SELL. UNLIKE WITH KIDS BACK IN TE DEVELOPING WORLD WHO HAVE A A FAIRLY CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE BEFORE THEY ENTER UNI, PROBLEM HERE IS THAT ALOT OF KIDS HERE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR A CAREER UNTIL THEY ARE 30 AND BY WHICH TIME, ITS ALREADY TOO LATE TO REVERSE WRONG CHOICES MADE AT 20 OR SO. LEFT TO ME. ALL SUCH WRONG COURSES SHOULD BE DROPPED FROM SCHOOL CURRICULA IN THE FIRST PLACE!
21:51 June 9, 2010 by MD1
For people between the ages of 16 and 19, I think its pretty common to change your mind. I would think that the gymnasium administrations have always seen this. However, maybe this hasn't been the case before
22:03 June 9, 2010 by Kevin Harris
There's a college in Sweden that trains dozens of dog psychologists a year. How many dog psychologists can Sweden absorb in a year? 3?

A few years ago in England, hundreds of young people were training to be criminal pathologists, mostly because they found the TV shows interesting. The number of criminal pathologists employed in a normal year was eight, and never straight out of uni, only after a long background working in normal pathology.

Trainee dog psycologists and wannabe criminal pathologists need to be protected from their own stupidity and kicked into studying something that might actually be useful to them and society.

Kronaboy, I have met plenty of very rich lawyers, and they do mostly seem to have very good looking and intelligent spouses. I think that has more to do with their healthy intellect (gained through all that study you advise us to avoid), but I am sure the money helps too.
22:45 June 9, 2010 by Dr. Dillner
Learn what you can earn with! Nobody wins getting a degree in history or the like unless they want some general education that is not job specific.
08:55 June 10, 2010 by karex
I think that what is needed is more guidance and information. It's hard for an adult to make choices sometimes, so imagine the kids. Plus they spend their entire lives being led by someone else and are suddenly under a lot of pressure to DECIDE, and not just any decision, one which will affect the rest of their lives. There is a lot of room for improvement in the guideance and counseling areas. One idea would be to arrange for an intership in an area a student is interested in. Sometimes the picture that you are painted and the image you create about something are quite distant from the reality. It is sad to find this out only after you have your degree.
15:56 June 11, 2010 by dmj123
Children, and they are still in most cases children to some extent at 14 and 15, need to be guided into marketable skillsets. That is the problem wtih our school systems. They allow too much latitude to "follow their hearts" and have no accoutability for the results which affect the children for the rest of their lives. Programs should be sized to the avialibility of work not the populaarity of the field. Liberal arts degrees are popular as they avoid all the "hard" courses; but all it will get you in the job market is the opportunity to ask peircing questions like, "do you want fries and a shake with that order?"
11:35 June 17, 2010 by EmilioQuintana
I don´t understand what is just the problem. "An increasing number of upper secondary (gymnasium) schools are competing for a declining number of students, many students are choosing the wrong schools or programs, a new report shows". So?

Choosing wrong decisions is an everydaylife situation. The most important thing is that they have the opportunity to change. They can change and they are free to do it. So, I think this is a good new for Swedish Education System.
00:30 June 26, 2010 by waffen
Check with the millions of unemployed in the United States.

Many of them have degrees in the so-called Hard Sciences, both grad and undergrad, and still have no jobs. Many more have been left go after 20 or 30 years with jobs as engineers and scientists, one of whom who was noted in the NYTs who is 60+ and who is losing his home to foreclosure.

Almost everyone who works for a living is a slave to the maket conditions at any given time. The exceptions are those crooks on Wall Street and the banking industry, or AIPAC, or the Carlyle Foundation, who control the makets.

Kids are not stupid. They can see what is/has happened.

Those of you who still have jobs and are earning good wages and salaries, count your blessings. You could be next, regardless of your degrees.
13:28 July 20, 2010 by dflow
This report shows that students require counseling at greater level...

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