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The trial of two brothers accused of fire-bombing the home of Swedish Muhammad cartoonist Lars Vilks opened on Tuesday with one of them describing the artist as "Islams's greatest enemy".
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I didn't see exactly what they are charged with but it should include a hate crime. Attempted murder should be another. Not sure what kind of a sentence they are going to get but if it was me, it would be a stripping of the nationality, 10 year sentence followed by swift deportation to Kosovo. After reading what they had to say in court, it's obvious that they are a major threat to society.
When sweden becomes a Muslim state, they will have streets named after them.
the government of Sweden should not waste time and money on this pig. there are other priorities that deserve the resources.
If I went on international TV and showed a picture of Moses sodomizing a pig, and the Pope with a naked child on his lap would I have millions of Jews and Catholics calling for my death (and actually follow through with it)?
Just saying ...
I assume by indirectly you actually mean that the Jews are involved because they exist. Considering the violence that just occurred in Kyrgyzstan was sunni on sunni this must be your meaning.
Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are often made between speech and other acts which may have symbolic significance.
Now for those who are depicting Prophet Mohammad [PBUH], they clearly know that this will create hatred, mass violence and worst possible impact on Muslims' feelings. All the responses coming from Muslims depict clearly that they DISAPPROVE these useless exercises and world should give respect to their feelings as whole world gives against crual act of Holocaust.
Yelling fire in a crowded room is not protected by free speech because the desire for self preservation will cause panic and chaos. Drawing a picture of a dead man does not incite imminent danger by itself. The only danger is that 6th century people get their panties in a twist and try to kill people over the picture.
Here you are thinking like all others. what I am trying to convey simply is if one action is not liked by 1/4 part of the world and causing to heart them, rest of the world should also respect their feelings also even though they are "6th century" people yet they are human beings. Despite they also tried to register their disapproval through peaceful means but no one cared about them and started pushing them against wall and now when they retaliate they are "bad" guys.
And if you are not ready to give respect to a dead man, then I am very sorry to say but then why to bother if some one accpets Holocaust or denies it, after all those poor people are dead now, so why not leave them too?
The brothers... should be examined and I'm pretty sure they could get away on an insanity plea from the sounds of it ;)
@clear,
That does not really make a lot of sense, if someone draws a stick figure (no features) then an arrow to it and writes "Muhammed" that person should/could be killed? (I saw this online by the way)
>Vilks is not Islam's greatest enemy, he is just little pig looking for some
>fame but he forgot that the waters he is trying to navigate are dangerous
>ones and Muslims will not joke about their beloved prophet.
>
>the government of Sweden should not waste time and money on this
> pig. there are other priorities that deserve the resources.
I think you are pretty much missing the point. The Swedish authorities are not wasting money for Vilks, who you call pig. They are using money and effort to protect the rule of law and citizens' rights to be free of violence, and freedom of expression. They're not as successful as they really ought to be, but at least they try a bit.
As to joking about the prophet, I believe it will eventually be necessary for the Muslims to acquire a sense of humor.
Denying a historical incident like the Holocaust and violent outrage over a harmless drawing is not comparable. Maybe one has to utilize 6th century thinking in order to understand. Apparently I am out of luck, since I use rationality in my daily life.
As for respecting Mohammed. He is nothing to me or 3/4 of the rest of the world. Demanding respect through violence is never successful.
the reason I compared Holocaust is becuase that crual act was committed to Jews just because those days they were considered "bad" guys like muslims are considered now. There were many arguments in those days enough to prove them "bad" but histroy proved all that was an insane phobia and I am sure time will prove also same for muslims. Just take the mapp of the world and see in how many countries muslims are being killed and mostly just because they are muslims. Isn't it an other Holocaust being commited to muslims?
And when you say 6th century mentality, look buddy, there are always ups and downs on nations. Muslims are the same who gave solid basis of science and technology to the present day world. When they were at their peak, people were being punished in Europe just far taking bath and were burned just for drinking coffee because in those days "developed" people like you who use rationality in life thougt its a satanic drink because its drink of muslims and now I am much sure the first thing you do in the morning is drinking "satanic" drink.
"Both brothers have denied their involvement, even though Mensur Alija reportedly suffered serious burns on the night of May 15, when the attack occurred.
He has claimed he was involved in a barbecue accident."
The poor boy was most probably outside Vilks house on his way to hospital after the wild pig, with a mask of Vilks, he was roasting leaped off the BBQ and burnt him. The only thing he did wrong was that he forgot to kill the pig before putting it on the fire
You bring up the Holocaust because you want the muslims to be the victim in the current situation. Nice try, but no cigar. Violence over a picture is ridiculous.
As for the technological advancements of the muslim world 1500 years ago is up for debate, but really has no bearing on the current issue. Murder or calls for murder in the 21st century over a cartoon is beyond absurd. I call it 6th century mentality because it is precisely what your warlord Mohammed would have done and did. Maraud and kill when something stands in your way.
What they should have done was just shut their mouths and let the ignorant, self-hating European left-wing lunatics defend them on this forum and in public. This way, the Muslim bigotry would stay hidden and the left-wing lunatics could continue to push their agenda for them. But no, the Muslims simply cannot control themselves (as usual). Thanks for exposing yourselves for everyone to see!
So you finally admit that moha-mad was wrong when he killed his tribe and opponents according to the hadiths.
Good. Now spit on that bastard and welcome to the modern world.
"Both brothers have denied their involvement..."
Question: Isn't lying considered a sin in Islam?
.
Festering inhumanity.
Let's have a look, at the one they claim is the "the most beautiful pattern of conduct". and "example for mankind to follow," with "exalted standard of character".
Simply a joke.
"What Would muhammad Do".
Every Muslin in Sweden believes, as these brother, that anyone that disagrees with their philosiphy of life should be injured in some way.
Don't blame the brother, blame political leaders that don't protect ttheir countries freedoms and citizens.
"Both brothers have denied their involvement..."
Question: Isn't lying considered a sin in Islam?"
Hell no, it's mandated.
Look up taqiyya, and kitman.
"anyway good on them to stand for what they believe".......
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I suppose you feel the same way about the bombings of March 11 2004 in Madrid Spain where 10 bombs packed with nails and dynamite exploded on four trains heading into central Madrid. The blasts killed 191 people and injured nearly 1,800 & of the bombings in London on July 7 2005 where a further 52 innocents also lost their lives to so called people that were supposedly standing for what they believed.
Do you also feel the same way looking back in US history when the KU KLUX KLAN were carrying out lynchings or as they often stated standing for what they believed
you wouldn´t happen to be a moslem yourself would you ????
Good social integration
Giving back to the community
Crime-free record
Speaking Swedish
I think that anyone can be Swedish now? What does this say about Sweden?