February 13, 2012
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Lund University in southern Sweden has introduced a separate admissions process for foreign students after criticism that the current system discriminates against even those with top grades.
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But the main point is just comparing grades of two students should not be enough to accept one of them into a university.
I know some Universities evaluated Bachelor essay quality for admissions to masters courses - but when you have 100s of applications to labour cost of having committees spending a month to read all bachelor essays was huge - so most went back to grades
And you cannot write proper English either because you don't "TALK" English. You SPEAK English! :-)
Consider it a mistake in the level of "the small people .." by Carl Henrik Svanberg!
The question I have is why so many people says that Swedes do not speak English? After living in Sweden for five year; and being both in educational and business institutions, I totally disagree with this idea.
Can you justify your opinion? Why do you think Swedes can not speak English?
I mean English for higher education. As you know most of foreign TV programs use Swedish text and the original language; so, Swedes can understand and talk (conversation) with others in English, but there are huge differences to sit in an American or English class taught by an American or English teacher, than a Swedish teacher (I tried it). Most of the Swedish teachers, who try to teach in English, try to use simple words, their sentences are clumsy. I mean they can communicate in English but not teach. You see if a foreign student wants to study in an American school should pass TOEFL, but there is not any evaluation method to qualify a Swedish teacher to teach in English, it's important to be qualified to teach in English.
I think you are right. But in Sweden education has never really been seen as a business - free education for all is about giving everyone a chance, regardless of family background or origin.
If you can get the grades, you have the intelligence, and your finances will not impede you. That's 70's socialist optimism for you.
But the days where we have money to pay for that ideology are at an end. So the state education system needs to supplement the cost with fees from foreign visitors.
It is typical that having invited foreigners to have free education in the past and rather than forcing them to learn Swedish to have that free education - Swedes have pretzeled themselves and curriculums, to teach in English -
Typical that they should also be criticized for it. Truly no good deed goes unpunished.
Students should be evaluated individually by the record of things studied plus personal interviews and other tests if you want, but not for numbers on a page. Not all teachers around the world have a same parameter to evaluate so that does not really reflects much.
Swedes are not good at English (they only know basic English). And the most annoying part of it, is having the Swedish lecturers teach foreign students. In my opinion, Swedish lecturers who didn't obtain their degrees from an English speaking country....should not venture teaching in English, because they deteriorate our English ;-(
In my perspective we can separate university students as extremely bright, really bright and simply bright. Having been in the company of people from the first two categories for most of my life, I can attest to the fact that people of extremely high perception do not always learn to try very hard and get bored easily.
In a society where everything is abundant, personal incentives that encourage perspiration are becoming scarcer steadily and the extremely bright tend to drop out of the grade marathon rather soon in their high school years... Are the best minds unwelcome or unworthy of a chance? Is their academic performance, usually graded by people not skilled to assess their value, the only criteria for the options they ought to have?
Mathematics can model and explain everything... However, the math employed in this situation simply do not cut it! On the other hand, the means are not enough to conduct an interview for every applicant. Not when there is no tuition, hence the applications tend to amount into the thousands.
I also have been around the extremely bright. I went to school with a kid who had an IQ that was up in the stratosphere. He is now a drug addict. I however, being of modest intelligence, have managed to carve out a nice living simply by working hard and not giving up when things got tough. I have seen this time and time again.
I am not discounting intelligence or education. I am promoting work ethic. Couple that with an able mind and then you really have something.
I also might add that if a bright student (or any student for that matter) is bored with their coursework, perhaps they need to seek a more challenging subject or teacher.
Some of the people on this forum talking about language skills in Sweden....please... the level of grammar and basic English language skills being displayed are at best questionable - and you are the ones talking about the Swedes.
- it seems these posters can barely speak/write comprehensible English. Glass houses, people, glass houses.
Again, I say,
"It is typical that having invited foreigners to have free education in the past and rather than forcing them to learn Swedish to have that free education - Swedes have pretzeled themselves and [the] curriculums, to teach in English -
Typical that they should also be criticized for it. Truly no good deed goes unpunished."
If you feel passionately about being taught in correct and proper English, I'm sure the UK will be more than willing to accept your money (£40k/year non-EU citizen).
Ok, I started the question about the language because I don't get the basic reason of the problem. The article mentions about the Swedish respect and commitment to EU on admission system. I have concluded what they mean about the admission is about EU students (not Scandinavian), because almost nobody talks Swedish in EU, then logically these students have to go through a separate admission system, anyway; so, why there is a question about "their own quota group", unless they are talking about the Scandinavian students, who can talk Swedish and in this case there has been agreement between Scandinavian even before Sweden join to EU! About the international programs, which are in English lectured by Swedes and foreign teachers, there is not any evaluation on the ability of teachers in English language; however there is evaluation on the ability of the students in English by TOEFL! And I tell you some Swedes can't teach in English.
"there is not any evaluation on the ability of teachers in English language; however there is evaluation on the ability of the students in English by TOEFL!"
Your argument breaks down somewhat, in so far as, there are TOEFL evaluations for teachers teaching in English - job applications (even in Sweden) often state the requirements for TOEFL levels.
From you last screed, I'm going to presume English is not your 1st or perhaps 2nd language?
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