May 26, 2012
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@krow
Why do you assume that his dislike of Islam is a dislike of foreigners? Islam is not synonymous with immigration. I am an immigrant and not a Muslim, and I wouldn't say I've prospered more than the average person. Would you have said the same thing if he'd voiced a dislike for Buddhism, Hinduism, Satanism, Christianity, or even the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Just because he voiced an opinion doesn't mean it's truth, it is his perspective, and he could very well be wrong, but it is his choice to have the opinion that he does. If you don't like it, don't agree with it, don't accept it, and move on.
People need to stop wetting themselves whenever someone says something negative about Islam. It's only as terrifying and dangerous as you let it be.
As long as his views did not affect his work, in a democracy we should all have a right to say whatever we wish .
"What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist" (Salam Rushdie 1990)
Not my opinion, just an observation.
I mean, all religions are like Nazism. That's a fairer statement. No need to single out Muslims like you did Jews a few decades ago.
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a. Islam is like nazism.
b. Holocaust is a hoax.
Accepting first and denying second means "slavery of speech".
But really, Godwinning Islam is just a cop-out when considering all the legitimate criticisms one can make of it.
I find it hard to believe such a person can keep his thoughts and work apart. Especially if he works under the Integration Minister dealing with muslims on a daily basis.
@SarahRF
The majority of the incoming immigrants happen to be muslims. By making the comments he was offending the majority of people he was supposed to help. Given his position he could've abused his power. If you are the leader of F! you have the freedom to praise legalized prostitution if you want. But you can't defend yourself with freedom of speech when your comrades overthrow you.
Islam has many parallels with nazism and communism. They are mindsets and political strategies with totalitarian aspirations.
Islams holds an extreme contempt for infidels, who are unclean, and are only fit for slavery or death.
Islam is not the "religion of peace", but a religion of violent conquest, intolerance, hate and totalitarian control of the individual.
If you do not know about islam, study the koran and the hadith, and you will come to understand that islam will only breed hate and violence.
There are lots of government jobs where your view on Islam has absolutely no bearing on job performance. But department of Integration is not one of them.
We have to be somewhat practical.
Perhaps the majority of Muslims are peace loving, but there are enough hard line believers out spreading hate and dealing in death to taint the name of Islam.
@Elias06 who says, as a Muslim, he is saddened by all the hate against his religion , perhaps he should ask himself is this hate justified? Can something be done to bring about a better image is Islam? I would love to see the moderate Muslims denounce the extremists and drum them out of the religion, but, alas, I have not.
@Jannik
What I love about islamophobic loons is their schizophrenic pretentious ability to actually believe that they are benevolent humanitarians even as they engage in the worst kind of unadulterated bigotry.
The British and the United States' actions when it comes to hate and discrimination should, perhaps, warrant a ban? Slavery, colonialism, genocides, apartheid, wars-they have done it all, and their flags are symbols of their past and present acts and policies. Add to that European colonialism and the countries that were its most vehement actors and supporters.
Perhaps sneakers should be banned because one might associate them with slave labor and exploitation?
2. Nazism and Islam??? well at least the nazis built technologies and had a strong animal protection law.
What i love about islam lovers is their schizophrenic pretentious ability to actually believe that they are defending the "religion of peace".
It is very typical of these types, that they label all critique of their beloved religion as "islamophobia", when in reality it is just a critique of a specific religion or ideology.
By your same faulty logic, a harsh critic of christianity is to be labeled a "christianofobe". Or a critic of nazism as a "nazifobe".
For some reason i have never heard of this characterization, neither of dead critics like Voltaire or Nietszche, or live ones like Dawkins or Hitchens.
This is just a primitive tactic to shut the mouthes of critiques, by labelling them as heretics.
When you dont possess any ways of defending your beloved religion, you instead resort to the good old accusation of colonialism and western guilt.
I dont agree with everything that the US or UK has committed in the past, but that is besides the point, these countries have morally dealt with these issues plenty, and have also criticised christianity aggressively.
The arab world has never excused their practice of slavery, which has been going on since 700 A.D., and well into the 20th century. And reforms of islam have also been lacking.
The koran is a book preaching violence, conquest and supremacy, and this is apparently very hard for you to accept.
Swedismith... You said "I would love to see the moderate Muslims denounce the extremists and drum them out of the religion, but, alas, I have not."
--> What you want us the TRUE ISLAM followers do against this Terrorist? Slaughter them and become another terrorist? Put them in prison? (yes in my country we do this but you Islam haters probably not interested to know it as this is good image of Islam, what you want to know is only bad thing about Islam), Hang them for killing others (again yes we do this, we hunt them, jailed and and some of them who kill people, we kill them....).. drum them out of the religion (how do we do this.. tell us? if this group want to call them Islam even if they are actually not following Islam what we can do? plus with all the world media and public opinion being controlled by Islam haters.. whatever bad thing we said about this terrorist group will only become silence.. do you think that our political and religious leaders don't blame them in their speech, newspaper and so on in our muslim countries? yes, but there is no coverage, we are not rich country to buy CNN for example, so what can we do?) and finally maybe completely destroy them? (even US the world superpower with the most advance tech and army cannot do this and really hard to find these groups... do you think we can do this by ourself? )
Again I say it here... all those Terrorist or extremist is not following what Islam teach them, so why blame Islam only because they are muslim... don't say that all Christian followers don't do any crime, kill other people, become a serial killer or become religious extremist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism). But don´t worry, I don´t blame your religion just because of some of these idiots doing crazy things because I know they are not following what your religion really teach (I am not saying that your religion is correct religion as I am muslim, I believe that Islam is the true religion, but the fact for me that the other religion is not true religion doesn't make this religion teach bad thing to their followers )
Come on! from what I can see here the level of hatred to Islam is a bit high, but I think what you really hate actually are the muslim refugees and the problem they have caused to your country after they come here (so the people who you actually have to blame is your politician who bring them to here.... but they have been elected by your own people and these politicians think that these refugees will bring workforce that will be good for your own country.. corrected them if you can and if you are better then them... ).
to be continue...
I am not Saddam supporter and I am not Arab, but I know Saddam cruelty doesn't create as many refugees and terrorist like what happen after Iraq have been destroyed and invaded by the good armies! This good army leaders should have learn better strategy if they really want to help Iraqis people become free from Saddam (they should remember how they beat Hitler in WW2.. imagine if they try to remove hitler by entering Germany by force and destroy it like what they did to Iraq?). Afghan terrorist..the stage for conflicts in the Middle East that still rage to this day...how do they exists? Check out Charlie Wilson's War movie!
Finally , sorry for my bad English, but hope you can understand the word I try to say.. No hatred at all to all of you from me (a muslim person), although some of you clearly try to provoke me to hate you.
Peace upon all of you and me also
Arab muslims are still doing it today in Sudan and some parts of Chad , Uganda and Kenya .
And , you are right about a few things . I am yet to hear anybody who lost their job for saying that catholic priests are paedophiles , given the fact ( never mentioned by the media ) less than 2% of cathoic priests have been accused and found guilty of sexually molesting children.
@K84 ,
I feel sorry for you . Is your hard-working parent living in an Old Peoples Home ? Chances are that he/ she is being looked after by an immigrant while you are out there smoking yourself to death .
You better take a walk and educate yourself .Go to Umeå , Örebro , Västerås , Uppsalla , Lund , and other Universities -- you will probably get stressed when you discover that children of immigrants are not going to easily be dispensable as you think .
Of course it is impossible for those of who are ignorant ( as most racist are ) to know the difference between Islam and Immigrants .
For example , does anybody know that out of 100 immigrants from Burundi , Rwanda , Uganda, Kenya , Congo , Ghana , Nigeria , Southern Africa , South America, Cuba , Philipines , Sri Lanka ,and Tailand , only about 3 will be muslims ?
There is a saying which I will attempt to paraphrase," All that is necessary for evil to triumph in the world is for the good people to do nothing."
If the true followers of Islam are, as you say, peace loving people, then you must speak out against the extremists, the jihadists, the terrorists often and LOUDLY. Expose them for what they are: cowards and creeps, shun them and cast them out of your mosques. Perhaps, the rest of us non-Muslims will understand and believe in what you say.
As a Christian, I know that there are some crack-pots who do terrible things in the name of our religion. Nuts who bomb abortion clinics, wackos that join white supremacist groups and parade around with white sheets over their heads. These bozos are denounced from the pulpit, vilified in the press and are exposed as an embarrassment to Christianity.
Does this completely eliminate the problem? No, but it does help hold the evil in check. Unfortunately, he feeling I get from the peaceful Muslims that I talk to is that they are afraid of the extremists, as the rest of us are.
Peace to you and your family.
Instead of right away calling anyone who critizes anything about Islam an islamaphobe why not take an unbiased look at the world.
You hear from individual muslims all the time that Islam is all about peace and the most muslims are peaceful and don't support extremists. I believe this to be the case, but you rarely hear any large muslim organizations denounce the terrorism, violence and extreme organizations. They're in charge in most muslim countries, they've been allowed to poison your entire society with hatred towards the west and women. You make excuses for the extremists when they threaten and / or kill journalists and cartoonists for making a statement or drawing a picture.
For a religion that is supposed to be about peace the fact that the LARGE majority of you allow
1) Extremists sh#t like that to go on through inaction
2) Allow the extremists to be the face of Islam that the world sees
3) Allow women, children and animals to be treated horribly by these people
It's is sickening and dissapointing. I don't agree with religion in general but like others have said, at least when other religions' extremists do something stupid it's allowed to be discussed and critized in the papers without fear of death and violence.
To all the good, peaceful muslims out there...
You have the power to change how Islam is percieved and to end the bigotry. You need to get together and loudly denounce extremists violence, you need to get rid of the extremists that rule your country and you need to stop accepting the violence commited by them against journalists who are offering up a different pov.
Do this and it would solve all of your problems.
You said "loudly denounce extremists violence".. I have done it here.. and lets say I start it from here.. but blind people like you... do you want to listen to what I said? I publicly announce my hatred toward these stupid muslims but what do you care?
Do you care to accept my words and help spread it among your friends and relatives especially those who hate Islam?
*** you claim that you are peace loving people, not like those idiots muslims, so can you do this peaceful mission to let people know that those stupid and idiots muslims are not really following what Islam teach them to do, so we cannot blame Islam for what happen, but blame those stupid groups only?
All those 3 things you said, also never happen in Islam.. but do you care? have you ever been muslim country and see how happy their women and childrens live in their peaceful country? (don´t go to Iraq or Afghan or even Pakistan.. those country has been ruin by war) talk is cheap like what Tele2 advertisement said...
I am not here to blame you again.. if you hate those stupid muslims who don´t know how to appreciate what your country have done to them (if you are Swedish), then maybe you can try to involve in politic and try to influence the government not to bring them here anymore.. election in Swaden is coming in few weeks time.. take you chances if you can peace loving people! Insulting the other people religion will not make anything better and I bet it is also now allow in you own religion!
If you want to eliminate the problem.. you have to start from the root... i have propse the real solution althoug I know neither me nor you can do it because those good armies can do whatever they want to do, you like it or not!
p/s : FYI.. I bet I practice Islam better than those extremist muslim do.. so which muslim voice you can trust is they said they are representing Islam...
Again.. Peace upon all of you and me also !
The only immigrants who should be accepted into Sweden are those whose ancestry is one of the following:Norwegian, Finnish, Danish, Nederlander, Belgium, Luxembourgh, French, German, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Russian, Ukranian, Itallian, Swiss, English, Scot, Irish, and Welsh, and of these only in numbers that are limited to the smallest practical percentage. All of them must work, assimilate fully into Swedish culture and traditions and provide for themselves.
Those of at least 1/2 Swedish ancestry whose ancestors still live in Sweden should be allowed into Sweden without stipulations, with the exceptions that they are educated to at least Gymnasium level or above, and/or that they have skills or trades that are needed in Sweden. Every one of them should know the Swedish language within two years, and every one of them should be working in Sweden for at least two years before they are permitted to become Swedish citizens.
Financially independent and wealthy persons of at least 1/2 Swedish ancestry should have no stipulations for entry into Sweden or of becoming a Swedish citizen beyond that of adhering to and fully practising Swedish customs, culture and traditions.
Those of the last group will never be a burden to the State, and no Swede will ever have to see their taxes going to support or aid them.
Freedom of speech is fine... except it seems when it comes to anything that has to do with Islam - then it becomes a big no no.
Not my opinion, just an observation.
A good observation.
And why should a blog have any influence on work? This sounds very big- brotherish...
The current practise of the Islam faith by some is very backwards. Pointing it out should not be a bad. People feel free to say what they want about the Christian faith without reprecusions...is it a fear of the future majority, of those easily offended?
Having a free exchange of ideas about the Islam faith, at the same level currently had about the Christian faith (role of woman & man, sexual identity, role in mariage, different sects, ability to break away from a sect etc.) should continue and any immigrant should know that Sweden is a country where that is the level of puplic discourse. The public re-asignment of the worker sent a very sad message to the Muslim immigrants. It was that true public discourse of an emerging power group will not be tolerated. That new immigrants can continue to uphold their backward traditions and insist upon that under the guise of religous & cultural norms - Sweden does not want to offend and thus we will hold back our values. We loose they win is the message.
It would be interesting to substitute the words German and Germany for Swedish and Sweden in your entry above. It might remind people that millions needlessly died to combat the repellant ideology that seems to be the basis of such "Ausländer 'raus!" thinking.
Just what are Swedish culture and traditions? What are any "nation's" culture and traditions? Why do you worry about other people's ways of seeing and doing things, as long as they leave you alone to go about things in your way? Live and let live!
I´m with you, looks like our politicians are trying to make a war between us (I´m not muslim), at the same time that they defend you and let more immigrants to enter, they publish news to make angry the Swede to create hate agaisnt you (see past week news of terrorists).
I´m very afraid of this situation, add to this the actual economy trend, the fact that we are more people than needed in the world, and the dollar collapse with the subsequent need of a new gold based currency (of course with all gold in elite´s hands), and I think that I know how this ends in the middle-long term.