February 14, 2012
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Swedish has been spoken in Finland for hundreds of years, yet declining numbers of speakers and a lack of support from many Finnish speakers mean the language is under pressure like never before, writes Carina Chela.
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Fin means anyhting from sweet to proper. When someone says, Du är så fin it's quite a compliment.
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It is kind of funny that it is always *them* who have a language identity that is special and worth protection, and that *they* belong to some sort of great Nordic family into which the rest of us also have to be integrated through systematic language policy.
Really, make no mistake: this is not about their right to identify with and advance *their* own language. This is about the rest of us being obligated into becoming more like them, because they do not approve of our existence as we are.
Of course speaking Swedish makes it much easier to learn other germanic languages. As always with minority language groups though, it's ultimately up to the minority to use their language, but official support definitely helps.
That's a fact by many studies! The reason why there is compulsory Swedishin Finland, is the pampered Swedish speaking finns, like Erika Helling, who thinks that she has right to speak Swedish in the bank and supermarkets. That's not what the law says. The law concerns only public officers in Sibbo and anywhere else in Finland. Now she is explaining it's easier to learn the other germanic languages like German. Bullshit! It's harder to learn even the germanic languages because the Swedish courses takes they time.
We have compulsory Swedish because Finland is not a democarcy and because Finnish speaking Finns are not equal to Swedish speakin Finns. The principal in Finland is that we are forced to think there are 50% Swedish speakin Finns in here. That is unjustice! That is wrong!
Someday there will be a civil war in Finland if the situation will not change and Erika Helling among others should move to Sweden.
Check out http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A5nes_flagga
But yes, ultimately it is up to the minority's members to speak their language. However, there remains the problem that then you must insist that others must speak it too, so that you can have the "right" to use it with them -- that is, the others have an obligation to speak it to you.
I really wish that some day we could have the same kind of situation in Sweden -- I could go there and be "allowed to use my language" and all Swedish children would be gifted the wonders of Finnish from an early age; allowing them to expand their mind, become truly civilized, and open the doors to Finland so they could experience the culture and communicate with Finns in a common language!
(Does that sound preposterous? Why is it legitimate to use similar argumentation in Finland? Think.)
But no, it's not bullshit. And it has nothing to do with Finns being stupid. Finnish (and Hungarian and Estonian among others) is part of a totally different language group, not even remotely related to the Germanic languages. It would be much easier for Finnish speakers to learn Hungarian for example than it would be for Norwegian or Dutch speakers to learn Hungarian. I tried to learn a little Korean (very cool and beautiful language) a while back and THAT is an extremely different language - not even Indo-European (Finnish isn't Indo-European either) - and consequently insanely difficult for me as a Germanic language speaker to learn.
And by the way, I never said it is legitimate to use "similar argumentation" in Finland. I never even commented on that.
I think that demands of Swedish minority of Finland are outrageous and arguments and insane. They are just symptoms of inherit Swedish racism toward Finland. I'm academician I travel a lot, I can really tell you from the perspective of the outside observer ... Swedes are lazy, has bad univeristies with poor quality of research. Finland has one of the best department in logic, mathematics, logical philosophy, engineering. Nothing like that can be find in Sweden. Finnish students are gifted and very well trained. It seems that Swedes do not realize that Finland is actually the independent country and in many ways better than Sweden.
Norwegian just sounds silly anyway (come on - even Norwegians are with me on this one!)
Personally I find it offensive that it much easier to get into Swedish language universities in Finland, grade requirements for entry are much lower on almost all cases.
Just as the Irish must learn the internationally useless Gaelic and Welsh the internationally useless Welsh so too should the Finns learn the slightly less useless but still somewhat useless Swedish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Swedish-speaking_Finns
Twiceshy: good luck with that
Now you all can see yourself how arrogant Swedish speaking Finns are!
They say the most stupiest things just to retain their undemocratic position in FInland!
If you think the Finns are good and the Swedes are nazis, then be happy in that belief. But those Swedes still have nothing to do with Finnish legislation.
In fact, this article has nothing do to with Sweden at all.
Don't spread your hateful propaganda.
I'd say Swedes think good about Finns in general. We have a understanding of the Finnish people as being brave and independent.
As always with bordering countries there is a little fuss too, but the good prevail.
And about the nazis, Finland was cooperating with them too. But how can one blame them (or Sweden)? It's easy to tell what should have been done in retrospect.
Maybe there is some truth about the laziness, it's very hard to really measure. According to wikipedia though, Sweden has four universities among the top 100 in the world whereas Finland got one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities
thanks,
Martin
Les suédois finlandais sont 6% et concentré à Aland. la minorité canadian québéboise est de 5.4% (dont la langue parlée et encore comprise est l'anglais et très viellissante.
La minorité franco-ontarienne a le même nombre que la minorité canadienne québécoise et soyons aussi généreuxe que les canadiens le sont pour les franco. Si choyé.
BTW, many Swedish speakin Finns hate the word finländare -- some consider it even insulting -- and prefer to call themself just finns, because they want to emphasize that they are also Finns just like Finnish speaking Finns.
First of all Sweden was neutral during WWII, we also broke German encryption codes and sent them to the allies. Being neutral means maintaining your sovereignty and doing normal business dealings like selling Iron to other sovereign states like the nazis (and the allies). It does not mean you break all diplomatic ties with every nation involved in a conflicting as you seem to suggest.
However our "neutrality" also meant we sent volunteer Swedish military hardware and personnel to fight on the side of the Finns during the Finnish winter war. It also meant we sent soldiers to Denmark when Germans invaded before WWII (that never ended up fighting).
Swedes think Finns are brutish and angry, Finns think Swedes are gay, but it's all in good humor. It's not like any of us are actually offended or don't like each other, all of Scandinavia smack talk each other. It's not the Nordic equivalent of Pakistan and Indian relations, we actually like each other.
If you are implying Swedes are genocidal against Finlands, then I'm going to imply Poland is still occupied by the Nazis. Nobody is happier than me when a Finn gets laid, more power to them.
How in the world does Finnish law say anything about Swedish racism towards Finland. Sweden has nothing to do with Finnish law and Swedish speaking Finns are not Swedes, they just speak Swedish. I also need to point out that when we made Swedish the official language of Sweden in 2008(2009?) Finnish got minority language status.
Of course Finland is in many ways better than Sweden. When you take something as complex as a nationstate and compare it to another nationstate there will always be some things that you can claim is "better" or "worse", but again it's cherry picking. Who cares if Finland is "better" (whatever that even means) than Sweden, even if it was in every single thing you could find. It's not like it would have an impact on us here, it's not like we wouldn't want them to be better than us, we want to be better than ourselves, but more importantly it's not like the article is even about Sweden.
As for racism, I think you should do some introspection into your own bigoted views about Swedes. We don't actually dislike the Finns, they are our Nordic brothers and sisters.
This argument is not convincing, being a language teacher myself and having studied L2 acquisition.
Isn't it better to directly study any other (more important) Germanic language instead of having to learn Swedish first?
My regards to Finland!
"Despite comprising just 5.5 percent of the population, Swedish-speaking Swedes have their own newspapers, broadcasts and road signs, and all government documents and websites are translated into Swedish from English."
The oddest thing for me as an immigrant from a 'Western' country to Finland is how Finland-Swedish speakers keep insisting on the fact that THEIR peculiar and odd dialect of Swedish somehow binds Finland not only to Scandinavia, but ALL of western civilization, as if Finnish by itself in Finland would automatically place Finland within the same group as Azerbaijian, Tajikistan or Uzbekistan. I challenge this ethno-centrist and -extremely- outdated view. The Finnish language is a bridge to other western countries like Estonia and Hungary, and Finnish is a Nordic, Scandinavian language. Finland-Swedes are only a bridge to a bygone era when the coast of modern Finland was colonized by Sweden.
Finland-Swedes and their policies of division and conflict are the largest barrier to many native Finnish speaking Finns having a more global and international mindset and profile of their own language and culture. Money thrown at propping up a peculiar and archaic form of Swedish could be better spent offering free Finnish language courses to the 10′s of thousands that move to Finland every year. This is a "bilingual country" by -a law- in a constitution from -1919-, when Finland-swedish was spoken by an overwhelming 11 percent of the population. Now that figure lies at 5 percent and is dropping.
Finland-swedes are continuing to prop up an idea of Finland as a people of 3 islands, the "ethnic barbaric Finns", "Finland-Swedes, gods of western civilization and truth", and then the "idiot foreigners, who will never understand Finland or how this country really works"
Finland-swedes are the most pampered minority on Earth. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/25/international/europe/25finland.html) Millions of Euros a year in tax revenues go to propping up the archaic Finland-swedish language and culture. People that speak Finnish, whether they were born in Joensuu, Mogadishu, Phuket or Dallas such as myself are denied career advancement in the upper echelons of Finnish industry and government due to the fact that knowledge of Finnish is considered a "disadvantage" due to the fact that we would not be serving THE minority and their language.
Swedish should be removed as an official language in Finland and made a minority one (which in reality it is) like Saami. It should have the same status in Finland as Finnish does in Sweden. A municipality should be bilingual only when the minority language is spoken by 20 percent of the population (EU recommendations), not the ludicrous 6 percent or minimum 3000 speakers! This leads to ridiculous situations, such as in Vantaa, with nearly 200000 inhabitants, translating all government documentation into Finland-Swedish because of the 3000 (or 1,5 % of the population!) speak Finland-swedish.
The Finnish national anthem was written in Swedish by a Swedish-speaking Finn, Jean Sibelius (widely respected and celebrated figure both in and outside Finland). Finland's national poet Runeberg, has his own national day, own tart and he was a Swedish-speaking Finn (he only wrote in Swedish). Snellman, leader of the Finnification movement (promoting Finnish culture and language) was a Swedish-speaking Finn (he actually did not speak Finnish himself). The list is long but the most famous and celebrated Finn in history: Mannerheim, President, war hero and Swedish-speaking Finn.
I believe Swedish has a place in Finland based on history and culture. If we only look at it from a cost-efficient point of view Finland might as well speak Russian or English.
Furthermore, the Nordic/Scandinavian co-operation takes place on many levels and here Swedish is often used as the common language. Both my wife and I have experienced (in our respective and very different fields) that Nordic meeting uses Swedish.
Also I have a number of German, Dutch and Nordic colleagues who, despite never studied Swedish, can read some and thereby understand things they otherwise would not, had the info only been in Finnish. My wife learned Danish by spending a summer (3 months) in Denmark, without ever studying the language but because she already spoke some Swedish. Now she also understands some Norwegian and it has opened her job marked from Finland to Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Learning a language will (in my book) always be a plus no matter if only 5mil people speak it.
Finally, of cause kids but want to learn Swedish in School. At age 13, they don't even want to go to school! Swedish (and Finnish) should be learnt from a much younger age and then rather wait with English as English is easy to learn due to the constant exposure to the language in Movies, music, computers, etc.
It is true that Swedish speakers have been in Finland for a few hundred years. It has been an administrative language at one part and a language of small minority of swedish speakers in archipelago and costal areas.
Swedish became the language for foreigners setling in Finland as well because it was the only official language until Finlands first constitution in 1922, when Finnish won for the first time legal and equal status with Swedish.
1800 under Russian rule was chracterized by Swedish speaking administrators (who were left in their positions by Russians) trying to press Finnish in many ways. Their banned Finnish litterature, did not finance Finnish speaking schools, held onto Swedish speaking legal system and so on.
Therefore if one was Finnish speaker, he had to change his language to Swedish to get into an office and not even that was enough. He had to change his name, too.
Swedish speaking minority defended their high paying administrative positions
In 1906 the minority Swedish speaking administrators invented Swedish speaking people due to coming elections. They needed votes. This lead to separation of institution, racism against Finnish speakers (better people/bättrefolk type of attitudes), new terms like finländare to separate Finns from Swedish speakers.
After civil war Finland got its constitution, where Finnish was the national language for the first time in history despite Finnish has been majority language always.
>I believe Swedish has a place in Finland based on history and culture. If we >only look at it from a cost-efficient point of view Finland might as well speak >Russian or English.
Swedish has a place in Finland as a minority language which it is by fact. Its status should be equal to Finnish status in Sweden.
That is most cost-effective.
What should have happened with Swedish in Finland is that it should only have been made an official language in the regions where people actually speak it.
When I first crossed into Belgium from France, all the signs changed to monolingual Dutch - only in Brussels did I see bilingual signs. I visited Antwerp and I wouldn't have dreamt of speaking French there. Ironically, Flemish separatists say that French speakers in Brussels would have the same rights in an independent Flanders as Swedish speakers do in Helsinki - if only they knew!
The advantage that Swedish in Finland has over other minority languages in Europe is that it's a majority language in a country just next door, so I don't see how it could 'die out', compared to Irish (not 'Gaelic') in Ireland or Romansch in Switzerland. I think it's admirable that the Swedish language TV channel in Finland (FST) subtitles its programmes in Finnish so that the majority of Finns can follow them - I can't imagine French-language TV channels in Belgium subtitling programmes in Dutch, or ones in Canada subtitling in English.
I don't speak Swedish, but can pick up quite a bit from Dutch, German and even English, and the same applies to Danish and Norwegian, so I wouldn't dismiss it as a useless language for people in Finland.
Children in Luxembourg learn Luxembourgish, German, and French, plus English, with many learning another language on top of that. It shouldn't be a case of 'either or', it should be a case of 'and and'.