February 12, 2012
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A student wearing the niqab has begun attending a teacher training course in Stockholm, more than one and a half years after another woman reported a school that would not allow her to wear the headscarf in class.
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A good way of cheating the system if you can't cut it, attend courses all year then get some-one to take your exam for you, nobody would know the difference.
Can she get a drivers licence?
There is a need for a number of our muslim fellow citizens to understand and read the society they live in. By behaving so fanatic and intolerant to their new hostcountry's values and principles, they are creating problems for themselves and for others.
And spare me the talk about oppression of women. I'd say a large amount of niqab wearers in Sweden are converts. I don't see this as an immigration issue and never have. :/
Almost none wore niqab before 1990. This makes niqab more of a fad than a religious article. Everything remaining equal, those who don't wear niqab have as much chance to go to "heaven" as those who wear it.
If you wear a motorcycle helmet and walk in to the bank, security tells you to take it off, so you can be indentified .........
The whole point of niqab is to control women by cutting them off from the rest of society.
Even if wearing niqab were a religious requirement, it is not, then the state should still ban them for driving and interactions with the state.
It is also so nice to see moderate muslims supporting a stance against this politicisation of religious symbolisms.The niqab has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the suppression of women and political grandstanding in non-muslim countries.
If we want a guiding principle for this issue...well, hey, how about Syria?
I think this is one of the areas that fellow MUSLIMS need to step up and help the rest of society.
Lets us say that the law allows it.
WELL, YOU CAN BE RIGHT BUT AT A PRICE!
Where will she even get a job as teacher dressing like that?.
"The niqab has nothing to do with religion"
Who are you to talk about Islam, and make such statement?
Great Muslims Scholars can't make 1% of the statement that you made...
Sorry to say this but you sounded so ignorant...
BTW, Allah gives us brain to use it (At least little bit), So if Syria or even Saudia Arabia prevent Hijab or Niqab,,,, does that prove your point... it is so ridiculous to build your argument based on that...
Please stop wasting your time pretending that you know anything about Islam apart from its name, I don't respect that.
I see you are back on the fundamentalist bandwagon again.
Why so angry simply because I point out that the niqab is not universally acclaimed throughout the whole of divided Islam as a necessity or even as a requirement from the Q'ran?
Put down your 'In the shadow of the Q'ran' book by Sayid Q'tab and your Alawite instruction book....and be a little more tolerant of the shortcomings of others - or even the awareness of others.
I was simply making the point that in 'Muslim countries' the niqab is not mandatory, so why should individuals demand it to be in a western democracy? This demand you cannot even make in....well, I am sure you will tell us, from your expertise, ALL the 'muslim countries' that do not allow the niqab, huh?
Oh, and perhaps my statement about 'nothing to do with religion', was not my statement but a quote. But then, you would not perhaps have read some of the more in-depth scholarly reports about misinterpretations or un-koranic hadiths.
Having a brain is not the issue, it is comprehending that which bigotry blinds us to seeing, that is the issue, wouldn't you agree?
It was my understanding, from a scholarly source, that the niqab/burka was all to do with the protection of women. It seems that the sight of a woman's face, or ankle, or wrist, was deemed sufficient to raise the testosterone levels in most middle-eastern males. To the point where they were uncontrollable.
Indeed, in Iran the male 'morality police' beat women who do not wear the niqab - which is interesting as the Koran forbids a man to look upon the face of a woman who is not his wife! This from a leading, female (persecuted) Iranian reporter! (I state the source for the benefit of Marko2010s).
They probably have the young boys wearing them in Afghanistan where Bacha Bazi is so prominent!!!!
That is, those young boys (7 years old) the Taleban don't hang!
FYI...
Lately I've decided to stop arguing with Islam's haters and the despicable liars. I believe you are one of them.
When I did a teaching course at a Swedish University many of the girls were wearing that 'oh so trendy' combination of hip-jeans and thong - so everytime one of them wrote on the board we were treated to a good view of thongs and butts
eeeuuuww
Biology? No, damn Darwin in the way... Philosophy? Naaa. Nitzcshe was not a religious people favourite. Math? Naaa. It requires simple logic and it is hard to explain while wearing a bag on the face.
For SURE not Swedish.... English? Hope not.
Chemistry, physics, astronomy - get too close to explaining a lot from the personal office of Allah.
Sociology? Yeah...right... science of people... That is why the teacher does not want people to see her.
So...?
Puffin, if you are a guy - what "eeeeuuww"? are you serious? It is sarcasm right? Say it is sarcasm...
This lady is getting higher education she is not an illiterate , she is able to read , she speaks languages ... why should she believe so strongly on such thing? I cannot understand this :(
HEAR ME OUT!
One person totally covered is not going to cause much confusion... now imagine if just half a dozen others joined in and you have 6 indistinguishable-from-each-other figures in one room... time to sit back with a basket of popcorn and laugh your ass off!
If even one of them have a sense of humor an impersonate one of the others (not too hard to do when you look identical and dont speak much) its a recipe for a laugh fest!
I am glad to see even the Muslims on this board saying what a moron this woman is, I more than half expected this topic to be run over by the people who think the Taliban are just a bunch of misunderstood fun loving guys.
Teachers need to dress in such a way that pupils/students focus on learning the subject being taught by them. This cannot happen if they wear any form of clothing that is distracting.
From going practically naked to an almost total cover-up is definitely distracting.
And there's also the questions of self respect and self control to consider.
when sweden democrats comes to power they will pass that kind of rule in sweden parliament.
FYI
I am not a Muslim hater - in fact have many treasured and beloved Muslim friends, here in Sweden, in India, in Kashmir, in England, Indonesia,etc. That friendship has extended beyond simple words and in to mutually beneficial actions.
What, however, I do dislike is people who misuse any religion and claim to be an authorised representative of God, the One God, or who have not studied their religion enough to go beyond the metaphors and into the reality of truth.
That you may believe I am, as you put it, a 'despicable liar' is your absolute right in a Western democracy. It would be useless to ask which factual information I have stated on this comment board you believe to be untrue. Your mind is already closed to factual information that does not agree with your interpretation. In this you are no different than 'apartheid christian in S.A' or 'bible-belt converts' in the USA in the days of slavery.
However, I live in hope that as you progress along your pathway of faith you may transcend the merely ritualistic and find the beauty of tolerant, co-existing, compassionate and loving Islam. To this end I would respectfully suggest reading the poetry of Rumi - where you will find the same concepts as expressed in the New Testament, the Bhagavad Gita, or on the lips of the Dalai Lama.
eeehhhh wasn't Mohammad a great warrior? Like, I don't know... the conquest of Mecca or something? Like Mohammad could not live in peace with Meccan tribes and their religion?
I don't know, just throwing it in the air... Maybe I am wrong of course. But the start of the entire Islam was definetely a good one.. Only few thousand died. Could have been worse.
But I agree with him. I think it is very simple to explain where and what is acceptable.
If a niqab or burqa is ok, then it is also ok to go naked. Anywhere. Including at preschool or in a Islamic school teaching the koran. I just hope somebody does it.
It would end this discussion once and for all. We would not tolerate naked people and we would not tolerate niqab och burqa.
Because we are striving towards absolute equality...
and then we have to agree on certain minimum standards for a society in the 21st century and that standard does not include burqas or niqabs or naturists running around showing their genitals everywhere they please.
Once again you proved my point that you belong to the 'despicable liars' category. You've you've twisted my words, I said 'You are Islam's hater'. I didn't say 'You are a Muslim hater'.
No one hates people for what they believe in unless s/he is a mindless freak-Animal. So, it's pointless to brag about how much you love your Muslims friends or your buddhists soulmates.
Also, I still stand for my word about that you hate Islam, because if you really know the reality of Islam you would be a Muslim.
Finally, I just wanna repeat my words and say 'Lately I've decided to stop arguing with Islam's haters and the despicable liars' !
errata: for 'muslim friends' read "Islamic persons" - it actually means the same, but clearly uses different letters.
In fact, Islam died on 3rd September 2004. Executed by a fellow Muslim. Islam Khardekov, 14 years old, died from a gunshot in the back having rescued a young girl in the school gymnasium in Beslan. I am not 'Islam's hater' as you write but have the highest respect for this young man.I,at least, remember him. I bet you didn't even know about him, huh?
"Also, I still stand for my word about that you hate Islam, because if you really know the reality of Islam you would be a Muslim. "
So whoever is not muslim - he hates Islam. Therefore the other 5 billion people are Islam haters and need to be taught the greatness of Islam. If they refuse the see the light, the light shall be brought upon them.
Yep - peaceful and loving. How come not EVERYBODY converted so far, is beyond me. Especially women.
Which part you didn't understand of my statement: "I've decided to stop arguing with Islam's haters and the despicable liars" ?
I don't mean to be mean but I swear to God I feel physically sick and want to puke when I look at your words. I just don't respect you at all for the spouting lies and propaganda.
@Uncle #34
NO, you misunderstood me so badly. My post was entirely 112% oriented towards @Keith - It was specifically for her ONLY. So, please don't generalize it.
BTW, "Knowing the reality of Islam" happens only through heart, and that's how a human being will be guided to the right religion "Islam". Therefore, hearing some words from X, Y or Z doesn't mean that a person knows Islam, It only means that s/he knows the lies that people such as Keith trying so hard to spreads.
Now, obscurity and confusion are obviously key words in whatever branch of the much divided Islam you converted to, Marko2010s.
So, I have no wish or desire to prevent you from refuting any of the FACTUAL information I have provided in this comment board. You are the one who seems unable to answer, except that you keep writing that you have 'stopped arguing'.
Hmmm...so many words, many of them vulgar and course, from someone who has stopped responding.
Your 'propaganda' about 'liars' is neither a loving nor an intelligent response.
This is the problem most ordinary people have with certain sects of Islam - you and many 'fervent converts' do your faith no service with such outbursts.
I'm sorry but when someone CHOOSES to live in another country be it for love or to escape something it's that person's responsibilty to accept the culture of that country and assimilate into society.
If I moved to a conservative muslim country I'd cover my head if that was the norm. I'd do it out of safety and more so out of respect for the culture of my host country.
To expect a country to change their societal norms just so you can continue on with a custom that goes against their culture is ridiculous.
so i have no problem with covering the head/hair but i think it a little prehistoric/barbaric to cover faces as well I can't think of any good reasons to cover your face excepting maybe extreme ugliness or sun protection. not sure those two problems exist in Sweden!
if God made you pretty to look at then i think you should show it!
I am an immigrant in a foreign country too, I see no need to push my agenda on my host country.