May 26, 2012
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Julian Assange has alleged the United States pressured Swedish intelligence to deny WikiLeaks "safe-haven", claiming in an interview that the rape charges against him are part of "a clear set-up".
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He has a criminal record of hacking into governmental websites in his home country. Why does he wants to move to sweden, if he is not hiding something.
He was reported to have accessed various computers belonging to an Australian university, Canadian telecommunications company Nortel,[2] and other organisations via modem[7] to test their security flaws; he later pleaded guilty to 24 charges of hacking and was released on bond for good conduct after being fined AU$2100. from wikipedia
Is it now the US intelligence fault that he stayed in the lady's place. The issue is in the public court of law. I am appealing to someone to RAPILEAKS what actually happened between him and the women. His own people are loosing confidence in him now.
Why does he want to move to Sweden? He has stated before and made it very obvious he has moved to Sweden and become a journalist for Aftonbladet to take advantage of Sweden's extremely strong laws in protecting journalistic sources. He has also never denied being a former hacker, so all of your info on that is hardly damning.
He never said it was US intelligence's fault that he "stayed at the lady's place", that is completely missing the point.
As much as I doubt he is guilty in this case (as jesseblu points out), even if he is, it hardly reflects on the ultimate mission and legitimacy of Wikileaks anyway, unless the US manages to extradite him from Sweden due to his being convicted here.
And your point about this being in a court of law - well exactly. So how about we stick with the general democratic legal right of innocent until proven guilty? Unfortunately for Assange, as he rightly asserts, he has not been given this fundamental right and has already been tried and found guilty by the media, 6 million search results, and people like you, regardless of the outcome of any investigation.
Where and when did someone say he was guilty? It always seems that people read into the story what they want to and not what is written.
And come on he has been doing the blame game since the charges were file. Even his own son has said that he is not very good with dealing with people. (this is not to say he is a rappist just he is not good at dealing with people) I don't want you to read what is not written.
And where did @Tutu say he was serial rappist, all he did was present the fact about this man.
So again stop seeing what you want to see and actually read what is written.
OK so I read what you wrote and have a question
Is being a 'rappist' a criminal offence?
If this were a serious case, a) it would never have been leaked, b) police would quietly gather their information, c) when they felt they had a case he would have been either questioned or charged, d) his name, even after being charged, would never have been released until after he was found guilty.
I'm not an expert in Swedish law (far from it), but I do know a smear when I see one. Either the police and prosecutors are totally incompetent and should be relieved of their responsibilities immediately, or it was a deliberate smear campaign and the prosecutors should be relieved of their duties. Either way, if Sweden's law establishment is non-political/serious, the prosecutors should be "sparked".
Are you sure you can read? Why ask a silly question?
To answer your question, yes.
I can only imagine what the late, great comedian Bill Hicks would have to say on this, in his characteristic sardonic and sarcastic tone: "Oh gee, WikiLeaks releases more than 90,000 confidential military documents that expose the war crimes in Afghanistan, and three weeks later the authorities issue an arrest warrant for the head of WikiLeaks on rape charges. What a coincidence!"
How can anyone deny Washington was pissed at the release of these documents and would seek to prevent/pressure WikiLeaks from releasing more, using, dare I add here, any means possible?
Whats your point? your post is first but does not make much sense.
@Tutu,
He does not expose "peoples flaws" he exposes the dirty secrets that organizations and governments are SUPPOSED to tell us, their citizens--- but dont.
Not not like Wikileaks reports on who is the latest who banged Paris Hilton, for that you have the tabloids.
He does not have to expose his personal life as he too does not owe the people anything (unlike financial institutions and governments) - if you want that, again, tabloids or maybe TMZ or Parezhilton would be your cup of tea.
So he hacked before, probably to again reveal the dirty secrets that are supposed to be publicly available, got caught, and paid his dues - the big deal is?????
"Is it now the US intelligence fault that he stayed in the lady's place. "
Citation needed, or you just pulled that bit out of your behind.
"Why does he wants to move to sweden, if he is not hiding something. "
Go to Rinkeby and ask the same question - thats how silly that statement is.
Looks like smear campaigns still work - very very well.
@dwb5555
May I suggest you update yourselves with what JA's son actually said, and what WikiLeaks insiders actually said?
see http://www.lemma.org/?p-192
and http://www.topnews.in/law/No plans to remove WikiLeaks founder Assange, say insiders.
Thank you
do you not think that having your name come up as a rapist in 6 million search results, your name being associated with the word "rape" in every major news outlet and people such as @Tutu saying things like "I am appealing to someone to RAPILEAKS what actually happened between him and the women. His own people are loosing confidence in him now" constantly doesn't constitute being guilty in most people's minds who haven't actually looked into the details of the case?
Maybe you should read what is actually being said yourself.
...meanwhile the police strike at file shares that use the same hosting company as wikileaks...
Just a coincidence. Of course.
This man is standing for our rights to know the hidden secrets of American imperialism and its allies. If the Swedish government or its spy agency is involved it has to be exposed. A help is needed here.
Wikileak should post the remaining documents for all to see. Others should take the example to expose criminal activities of our governments.
Taxalien - since you named and smeared one of the complainants on a related thread, I don't think you're in a strong moral position to complain about the treatment of Assange. Like Adele (and all of us), you don't know what went on.
Audrian - you make an admirable cry for the remaining documents to be posted. How do you know that publishing them won't endanger innocent Afghan lives ? Did you check them yourself before issuing your cry for their release ?
Say, will you eat your entire wardrobe, if he breaks down and admits that he actually violently raped a girl? Like, will you say that it was probably girl's fail, or that she was planted by CIA to him? Or what?
Is it not possible that he raped her WHILE he was copying the classified files? Couldn't he do it on a break between hacking into Pentagon computers and stealing personal credit card numbers? Like - on a lunch break? Would it work?
However, I agree with you it is strange that he has not been interviewed regarding the rape allegations. Its deeply unfair to let these accusations hang in the air for so long. However, I don't think strange = conspiracy. In such situations incompetence is usually a more accurate explanation. Relevant people in the prosecutors office are probably on holiday/sick leave and evidence reports need to be written and studied osv.
Common sense (not something public authorities tend to have) would suggest that they would commit more resources to this case, not least since they've received some bad press (fairly or unfairly) for the way the nature of the allegations changed in the early days.
What I read about CIA and its destructive roles in the world spooks me. It is too much of a coincidence that a person who is exposing the dirty tricks of the US is also a rapist. TI think the probability of this coincidence happening is too low. I have no interest to support Assange; it is what he represents that interest me.
- Can you please outline the steps of your calculation of this low probability of this being a coincidence ?
rufus - I don't think its necessarily dysfunctional that allegations (not charges) are changed as more evidence and different legal opinion becomes available. Or do you have further details, not available to the rest of us, concerning what went on that show that the process was irregular ?
The total number of rappist in a country is probably < 100 per year in Australia. The probablity that one of them Assange is
Another example could be the case of someone accused by different women of a sexual assault. Surely two accusations of similar offences must mean a greater chance of him being guilty. After all, the probability that one accusation could be spurious is large. But the probability of two being spurious must be small and he's likely guilty......
However, playing such games is futile because there are too many things we don't know. That's why the "probability he is...." is never a good argument to make. Good arguments are evidence-based and not coincidence-based. Many legal systems are in fact very restrictive about not allowing this type of "coincidence evidence" to be used in any trials of someone accused of a specific offence.
If I understand what happened (and maybe I don't), charges were filed by one prosecutor, withdrawn by another, then filed again by the first. That seems like disfuntional behavior.
Either there is ample evidence to charge (criminally) a person or not. It's not something to be taken lightly, or play politics with. Mind you, I'm not saying that happened, just that it is odd and gives one pause, moreso in a case like this one.
Additionally, criminal statutes tend to be very clear about what constitutes criminal conduct. That two competent prosecutors would disagree whether an act is criminal seems unlikely. Perhaps the degree of crimiality, as in homicide, but not whether an act is criminal or not.
Its perhaps not surprising that the rape charges should be raised and then dropped and then lifted again.) as more witness statements were made and evidence studied. But then again, nobody really knows what's going on. The prosecutors office really have to move fast on this. Its grossly unfair on everyone involved now that they have all lost their anonymity.
In the United States, rape is a big deal and by associating this man with rape they have destroyed much of his legitimacy in people's eyes. Elections aren't that far away. Elections require that someone has not leaked many sensitive documents. Documents released by an (alleged) rapist are not to be trusted. See? It doesn't matter if he is guilty or not. The case will eventually disappear, but for now, in the eyes of many crazy people (who also coincidentally hold the right to vote) he can't be trusted.
Also, you write that the "case will eventually disappear". Where is the evidence for this ? You have absolutely no idea if he is innocent or guilty.
On balance, your analysis seems to be about as watertight as a sieve.
Fairly recently a German woman charged with murder had her identity widely circulated in the press. Maybe in both cases because they are foreigners?
I think it would anyway have been difficult for JA to have kept his anonymity - he is famous and newspapers have well places sources to give them precisely this type of info. This is all the more reason to throw extra resources at the case and bring it to a conclusion one way or another.
Riiiiight...just ask Kobe Bryant, Roman Polanski, Ben Roethlisberger...hmmm, need I go on?
I know there are some who, in their eyes, Mr. Assange can do no wrong and the U.S. can do no right; however, at what point do the conspiracy theories completely twist in the wind? I'm not suggesting Mr. Assange is guilty, but I haven't heard anything at all that would suggest he's innocent much less that he was set up. Just b/c he's a digital information freedom fighter doesn't mean he's morally pure and incapable of crossing a line. Consider for a moment that perhaps there is merit to the charges...these women must feel like pariahs.
I think the one thing everyone can agree on though is that the swedish law enforcement have completely bungled this, so it may be impossible to ever have an untainted judgement rendered.
Regarding your comment on the women feeling like pariahs, one of them, whose identity is now well known in hyperspace, has been labelled as "the most hated woman on the internet" on various blogs. A nice way to treat a possible rape victim I don't think.
So because he was un-nosy Sensson he sacked the Jewish guy and went on minding his own business and thanked his Lutheran stars that Sweden was a 'sensible' country where people did what they were told. It made for a quiet, comfortable life.
Seventy years later a nosy guy woke up and made the mistake of imagining that Sweden was the way it marketed itself to the rest of the world.