While Sweden is left asking why after experiencing its first suicide bombing, Fulbright scholar and US Muslim Dr. Abdul-Majeed Azad calls on the country to deploy its history of neutrality to build bridges across Europe to defeat the radicalisation of Muslim youth.
The news of the suicide bombing last Saturday has shocked everyone. I was boarding the train at
Stockholm central station to return to Göteborg after attending the Nobel Prize award ceremony the previous night in Stockholm, when this happened. I got a frantic call from my wife in the US, who had just then seen the news and had freaked out, because she knew I was in Stockholm at that time. It all appears so surreal and one question that everybody is asking is:
why Sweden?
A few years ago, in his broadcast timed to coincide with the US Presidential election in 2004, Osama bin Laden had laconically remarked, “If it was freedom they were against, al-Qaeda would have attacked Sweden.”
Ironically, on that Saturday afternoon Sweden eventually became the victim of one of the ideologues of Bin Laden’s vengeful militancy.
Acting alone, Taimour Abdulwahab – an Iraqi immigrant and naturalized Swede ‐ struck Stockholm’s idyllic innocence, blowing up his car and himself. Even though there were no other casualties in terms of human life, one shudders to even imagine that the eve of his 29th birthday eerily coincided with his death.
Eighteen years is a long time to nurse a grudge and cultivate perpetual hatred for a place and people that welcomed you with open arms. A new branch of psychiatry needs to be opened and explored to understand the mindset of such dark personalities.
This was a lone act, thankfully without much damage. Had it been successful, it would have caused carnage of unimagined proportions during the festive season. It was no less barbaric though, as it succeeded in painting Islam once again as a monster religion hell-bent on causing destruction, particularly in the West.
As the pages from the life of Taimour in Tranås (Sweden) and Luton (England) are unfolding, it is unfathomable that a married man with three children could be driven to such levels of blind fanaticism.
Nine years ago on a crisp, beautiful, soft and sunny autumn morning, the innocence of humanity we all knew and took for granted, was struck on September 11th, when a horrendous tragedy was perpetrated in the name of Islam on the American soil. Nine years later, the wounds are still bleeding, the scars are still fresh and the anger is still seething.
Nine years ago, we thought American people and institutions were the sole victims of that attack. Nine years later, we know Islam also was the target. That day, we surmised that planes were hijacked, buildings were rammed into and innocent people were killed. Today we know, a storied faith was molested and its 1.6 billion followers became pariahs and ostracized for as long as it takes for the fog of ignorance and disbelief to lift.
For me as a Muslim, the very fabric of the faith which taught me the sanctity of life and what constitutes its decorum was torn on that day. Life is holy in all religions; it takes a person of ignoble misunderstanding and instability to advocate or perform violence against it. The morality and integrity of a people as a whole are vital in dealing with all people.
The Qur’an exhorted Muhammad to tell Muslims: "Come, I will rehearse what God has really prohibited you from: take not life, which God has made sacred, except by the way of justice and law; thus does He command you that you may learn wisdom" (4:151).
Islam categorically forbids Muslims from taking life in a cowardly and unjust way- their own or those of others. The precepts of my religion, my way of life uphold this.
But when events like that of December 11th in Stockholm occur, no explanation, no apology would do. Yet, while I learned with total disbelief the swift unfolding of this ruthless act, I was longing for signs of condemnation from the Muslim community in and around Stockholm and beyond. A brief written statement from the imam of the Södermalm mosque is not enough. By now, Muslims should be on the streets shrieking strongest condemnation at the top of their lungs for this act by one of their own.
The silence of Muslims in the Swedish community would send the wrong message, making their neighbours angry, co-workers suspicious, and, acquaintances and friends, disillusioned.
Saturday’s event proves that some sections of Muslim community, no matter how small, are on the path of destruction - self and otherwise, despite the vehement denial by their community elders.
Al-Qaeda might have been weakened collectively, but apparently it has been slowly but steadily succeeding in poisoning the minds of the Muslim youth – one at a time. This supply chain must be cut at the very central artery. No material and technical sophistication or eavesdropping, no coalition of the willing, no unmanned drones and no cells at Guantanamo will be able to destroy or deter the new crop of zealous doctrinaires. Why? Because, Muslim youths are being infected with twisted thoughts and are being fed distorted version of their faith. There is no benignity about this cancer. Physician, heal thyself! Muslims alone would have to muster the courage to
stand up and destroy it.
It is well-agreed that what al-Qaeda stands for and what it strives to achieve is a response, primarily to the excesses and somewhat double standards of Western foreign policy in relation to the ‘world of Muslims’ – not necessarily the ‘world of Islam’.
During the past three months of my stay in Sweden, I have found Swedes to be open, gentle, supportive, helpful, and least bothered about or biased towards others’ belief systems. It is also by far, the most tolerant country in Europe towards Muslims. Her ready acceptance of large contingents of immigrants from predominantly Muslim lands is testimony of that.
The majority of Muslims are peace-loving law-abiding citizens, caring, respectful and compassionate neighbours all across the globe. My plea to the Swedish people and its leaders is that their future approach towards Muslims in Sweden, should not be dictated by this and other such sporadic acts of violence.
Al-Qaeda and its cohorts may be inspired by the foggy misinterpretation of Islam by its leaders, but it is not a religious organization. In fact, what it has done, is doing and plans to do in future is everything Islam abhors and stands against. To defeat this demon, all Swedes – Muslims included - must come together. They must resolve to understand the dynamics of its evil fangs and stand against its outlook of the world affair.
In the aftermath of 9/11, American-Muslims have forged strong alliances with US officials in being vigilant and safeguarding our communities, neighbors and the homeland. It is not a choice: it is incumbent upon us as the adherents of Islamic faith.
In the light of what happened in Stockholm, no less is expected of Muslims who call Sweden home. As a country that takes ‘no side in conflicts’ Sweden could be a catalyst to building bridges of understanding, thus defeating the radicalization within its borders as well as in Europe at large.
Dr. Abdul-Majeed Azad, a U.S. citizen, is the Fulbright Distinguished Chair in Alternative Energy at Chalmers University in Gothenburg, Sweden. His current research in Sweden pertains to the investigation of novel oxygen carriers with CLOU properties for solid fuels, including coal. Dr. Azad has been a professor in the Department of Chemical and Environmental Engineering at the University of Toledo since 2003.
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In Sweden, Swedes make a point of maintaining seperation from immigrants.
Now those fishes smell so good and are making two other big cats one with stars in the corner...and one with white blue red stripes jealous and you can easily see their fur raise up in anger watching the big white cat with red stripes and blue stars eat those fishes...
The fish is helpless in from of the shameless greedy tyrant cat but will the other cats watch and be quite...??
But this often is not the result, as for comdemnation by moderate muslims for the suicide bombing, the token statement by the imam council is about all you are going to get, but do not expect it to be sincere. Muslims would not be able to bomb you, if there were not any in your lands ( or anywhere in the West).
The West is a legacy to its natural people and decendants, not to be shared with those who do not understand it or do not want to be a part of it, but want to enjoy all its strengths and benefits, whilst discarding its responsibilities. Let these barbarians have THEIR civil wars, and challenges and see if they can create in their own lands a society as our own ancestors did in the West. But my own personal belief is that they will not be able to achieve it due to their anachronistic ways of thinking (Islam does not allow them to).
So as long as it is not unjust or cowardly, it is okay. I wonder if Taimour thought his actions were cowardly or unjust according to Islam?
Thank you for pointing that out to us Iraniboy, but we are more concerned with those muslims in Sweden. OK so most muslims are decent people you say, fair enough, tell that to the jews in Malmo, or your own fellow muslims who kill one another enmasse in their own lands. Do you understand how frustrating it can be to receive advice, when their people are being bombed, from someone from Iran. You are not Swedish, go back to Iran, sort out your homeland (as no other land will ever be, especially the West), then you will not have to continually give your advice to Swedes reminding them that not all muslims are bad.
You did make a good point tho:
* I think in order to tackle the problem the source of propaganda should be tackled*
you understand that this source is Islam.
please tell me Larry
If you were a real person I could prosecute you for your unlawful accusation and for calling those killers my fellows!! Shall I call the murderer in Malmö your fellow? Shall I call the Austrian guy who was raping his daughters for 20 years, your fellow? They are both non-Muslim, non-Jew but are they like you?
As long as you and your ilk fail to understand that people are not responsible for their own religion or non-religion do, we will have this problem.
I often go to Iran but I don't live there because there are many people LIKE YOU and your ilk in Iran whom I can't stand. People who put people in groups and regardless of their individual qualifications or beliefs, slander them. I like Sweden because VERY FEW people are like you!
@Bertram and Larry Trash
Depends how you define the Swedish culture.
The liberal, free ,open minded culture, YES.
The bigoted, SD like, uneducated conservative one, No.
Can i ask you to read Mario Vargas LLosa..
Islamic fundamentalism is the main enemy of the culture of democracy in the world today...
The great Farsi civilisation is stronger than the religion of hate.
God Jul.
You said Islamic fundamentalism. The fact is the any fundamentalism version of any religious or non-religious ideology can cause and has caused the same harm. I truly believe that the only reason why Sweden has been able to gradually develop during the last 100 years was their liberal approaches. As soon as we try to divide people in groups and judge them we start to lose!
The recent Stockholm suicide bombings show a blatant disregard for Sweden and her way of life - that cannot be denied.
The apologist culture that many Swedes seem to keen to feign is damaging the country in the long run. Immigrants should remain in the minority but then they should be looked after as long as they respect the laws and customs of this great country.
Also better levels of Swedish language ability should be made as compulsory as possible as immigrants are living in Sweden.
'Acts of terrorism in Europe 2006-2009:
Total: 1770
Islamic: 6 (0.34%)
Right Wing Ethno-Nationalist and Separatist: 1596 (90.17%)
Left Wing: 106 (5.99%)
Other / Not Specified: 62 (3:50%)'
the source is:
http://wwwDOTeuropolDOTeuropaDOTeu/indexDOTasp?page=publications&language
i know that many people here don't even consider facts when it comes to bigotry!!!!
but moderates have to keep it up for reason, facts and civilized since the otherwise is causing enormous harm to the Swedish society (Swedes+immigrants).
i am not sure if these people are getting paid or something to cause such harm for their own society!!!
*** replace the DOTS above
if not , get ready for ...
In this report it states that 110 "islamist" arrests were made in 2009 alone.
The bulk of "separatist" arrest were basque/spanish related, a known hotpot for the last decades
Check your facts before posting.
The fact remains that the mussies want to blow up airplanes with innocent pax on board. They want to kill "non-blievers". I had 4 of my friends killed/executed in Saudi by these so called "peace loving" people. Some footage could be seen on CNN when Michael Hamilton was shot and subsequently dragged behind a car, his body so severely mutilated that the police prevented his wife from identifying his body.
After 12 years in the Middle East I have only one thing to say - Islam is an EVIL religion with a backwards mindset. Just look what's going on in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi etc. How they traffic children, treat women, no civil rights, no freedom of speech or expression, child labour, prostitution etc etc.
It's sickening. I can take on anyone who wants to argue against what I have just stated. I have told the truth and when you do it is very hard to lose the argument.
the truth is standing, merci , tack,gracias,thanks...
Sweden and Europe should remember the monks of Tibhirine and Massoud and and and...
NO FREEDOM FOR THE ENNEMIES OF FREEDOM.
1. One who kills or blows others including himself i.e. the ones who will die
2. One who takes a mask of innocence condemning the above's act by cherry-picking certain phrases from (f)quran.
The article is a BS of words. How is life sacred for a muslim? He goes on killing even his food in the worst possible manner (halal). Even their paedo prophet waged 74 wars himself in a span of 20 years. Anyways, the point is, these so called moderates also support the terrorists by claiming it was the person responsible and not the religion.
Imagine if Hitler would have been intelligent enough to make statements that he has visions from God and people should follow his book (Mein Kempf). Would we have been weak to eradicate it then? (p)islam is a curse on humanity. Lets get together and eradicate it.
"I wonder if we'll get another bomb attack from Muslim extremists...."
As long as you see non-Muslims having gun and shooting others, you'll see Muslim extremists doing the same. This is a fact. there are always a couple of bigoted, extremists in all groups, races, religions,etc.
@wolverine2k
Godo for mentioning Hitler because he started by making some stand-alone valid examples how Jews are bad as you do about Muslims, then he advanced to conclude that all of them should be killed! You are vulnerable to be very dangerous person like him unless you give up your Anti-XYZ mentality!
The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to Swedish/British culture, it's Sweds/Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No.
So why would they want to integrate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down?
God doesn't want the whole world to be Muslim but that the duty of Muslims, Jews and Christians is to compete in doing good works to please him. Unfortunately, we all seem to be killing each other instead. May it soon change!
There is no end to act of terrorism, forced marriages and honour killing, as long as Muslim children keep on attending state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers. Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
it is not for the host country to stop radicalism, it is for you to do. instead of your imams preaching hatred towards the infidels and dhimmis, they should be stopped by yourselves.
instead of knowing who potential terrorists are, especially after receoeiving money from the councils to co operate, and then refusing to name them. You should be honourable and stop the killings. Islam means to submit, so is your god calling for the murder of people who disagree with the way you think? Moslems do not just kill non moslems, they murder each other, one sect against another
Swedes could not get two people from different cultures to dicuss anything.
Great point. Sweden is a highly organized technocratic society, but unfortunately with very little liberal arts education. Culture is simple, collectivist, almost child-like; and Swedes like it that way, that's part of the national identity. Until recently it was a very homogeneous isolated rural society. There is also a sad tendency to follow some very simple ideologies. The truth is that Sweden is yet to integrate with Europe, let alone the rest of the world.
"If you were a real person I could prosecute you for your unlawful accusation and for calling those killers my fellows!! "
- go ahead, if you think you can. You give a very fine a speech about tolerance, and in your next breath resort to using words like 'ilk'.
"As long as you and your ilk fail to understand that people are not responsible for their own religion or non-religion do, we will have this problem"
- no Iraniboy, 'people like me' are not going out blowing themselves up, and this problem will exist as long as we allow followers of Islam in our lands. Not, for our inability to understand your irrelevant point.
"I often go to Iran but I don't live there because there are many people LIKE YOU and your ilk in Iran whom I can't stand"
- how nice then, that you have a safe Western democracy to flee to, for when you get tired of your own people (for you are not/and will never be Swedish, you understand this don't you Iraniboy).
"People who put people in groups and regardless of their individual qualifications or beliefs, slander them."
- no, not necessarily Iraniboy, sometimes people put people into groups because of their actions, and very properly labelled because of it, (i.e. if you try to blow yourself up in a crowded space, you are put into the suicide bomber/terrorist group).
"I like Sweden because VERY FEW people are like you!"
- and yet that hasn't stopped you from from having to respond to 'people like me', despite the fact that you live in Sweden.
You live in Sweden because you understand full well that it's preferable living in a superior/advanced culture (Sweden), as opposed to living in your native homeland (Iran), where your 'ilk' live in constant fear of their own. Iran is your homeland, not Sweden, so if you were to go back there and really try to make a difference, rather than say anything negative about a people who have kindly taken you in, then at least you would be able to objectively give advice to them, rather than cowering in a safe land that is not your own spouting your 'mickey mouse' wisdom.
"The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to Swedish/British culture, it's Sweds/Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. "
- Fact: we don't owe you anything, and perhaps, just perhaps some of that disrespect/scorn has been earned.
"Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No."
- What are you talking about!? We in the West have all bent over backwards to try and make you all feel welcome, the free money, healthcare, the right to actually take an active part in who govern's you through the voting process. Everyone knows that if our situations were reversed, Islam would never provide for us as we have for the people of that religion, (i.e. Islam does not recognize kindness done towards it's members by non-muslims, what we refer to as : Ungrateful).
"So why would they want to integrate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down? "
- because the alternative is to return to their own lands where they would be 'shot down'. And because they feel they can live here but not have to integrate, (have their cake and eat it too, at our expense).
"Unfortunately, we all seem to be killing each other instead."
- yes, some groups of people more than others.
"There is no end to act of terrorism, forced marriages and honour killing, as long as Muslim children keep on attending state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers."
- this is pretty much Iftikhar telling us, that as long as we attempt to teach muslim children, as we have taught all other children, regardless of their backgrounds, they will never integrate, and we have only ourselves to blame.
" Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. "
- nowhere will this happen in the West. If you do want to have such instructors, go back to your muslim lands a receive the muslim education you feel you deserve, and that we cannot provide.
Those people who try to down-play, or purposely mislead the threat of Islam must always be challenged, and for my part I always will. This is no crusade, just what I believe to be necesary in order to maintain our cultures in the face of a grave threat, (when people are bombing you, make no mistake, it has become a grave threat).
What is needed is not a Swedish country to try to discuss Muslim vs Western culture. What is needed is Muslim change from the core outwards.
Dude...educate your people. Share your wealth amongst your countries and make social well being a high priority (including population control). The high popluation growth, disparity of wealth, and inability to say "we will worship in peace" is making it difficult for all the people you rub elbows with. You have a right to exist... let others exist as well. Merry Christmas all!
Where the hell are you from? I am guessing also a non swede. And what religion are you?
You must feel really good about yourself spewing your hate (which you seem to deny) in this time of Christmas.
How does it feel to be such a sad excuse for a human being????
PS. I have never heard of an Iranian suicide bomber, have you?? So much for your BS theory of uniform Islam bashing.
May you be inflicted by the same curse you are causing to others in the coming new year. AMEN.
"Where the hell are you from? I am guessing also a non swede. And what religion are you?"
-whatever I may be, I am not a refugee that washed up on the shores of the first world expecting them to change for me, I am not a member of a dangerous religion that harms people, as for what my religion is, that's not really any of your business is it?
"You must feel really good about yourself spewing your hate (which you seem to deny) in this time of Christmas."
- how have I spewed hate, and are you so afraid of people speaking their minds about an intolerable situation that you need to resort to insults? Even if I did spew hate (?), it would still not be the equal of islamists spewing high explosive.
"So much for your BS theory of uniform Islam bashing"
- 15,000 terrorist acts and counting for the last decade cowboy, but I'm sure your right about it being a theory only tho'.
"May you be inflicted by the same curse you are causing to others in the coming new year. AMEN. "
- I did not 'curse' anyone, my comments may taken at their literal meaning, without any need to see curses among them, (is English your first language?).
What I find is that certain immigrants resort with 'vitriol', whenever they feel their 'right' to dwell in the West is challenged (not unjustly challenged I may add).
"PS. I have never heard of an Iranian suicide bomber, have you??"
-no indeed! but I have heard of a much more dangerous Iranian, by the name of Ahemenijad, that wishes to have a whole nuclear arsenal at his command and hates a whole other nation of people (Israel) because they are not Iranian.
Amen.
There you go my cowardly friend. You will not say where you are from or what religion you are. So my guess was right on, you are not Swedish and will never be.
Your are so brave sitting there hiding behind your PC typing away on every story on the local. Probably wouldn't be so brave face to face.
I am guessing you are not even white. Your agenda is so obvious, its laughable.
You and your buddies better get used to Islam/ Jewdaism/ Catholicism/ Athiesm... being in your midst, and fast. No amount of bitching or complaining is going to make western countries expel human beings.
There was a time in the history of the US that Catholics, Italians, Irish, Blacks, Chinese, etc... were subjected daily to the abuse that your kind likes to inflict.
We fought a civil war and two world wars to get rid of vermin like you. If need be we will take up that challenge again and again and again.
If you payed half attention in your History lessons, then you all should know what it might come after if people - including authorities - do not act in another way.
4% - some sources say 5% - of Sweden population voted on SD this year.
2 terrorists attempts in Stockholm. 4 days later, a letter from USA asking Sweden to send more soldiers to Afghanistan.
Very few people know the laws for refugee´s acceptance - in both immigrants and Swedish citizens - leading to misunderstanding on what kind of people is Sweden really accepting here.
Very few people are also aware that extremists are everywhere, independent of religion, belief, color of skin, nationality, etc. And most seems to forget that what they should really fight against is exactly that: extremists. From both sides, Nazis and Muslims. From all sides. Because multiculturalism can not exist with extreme views.
Thank you for your attention and remember: any questions, be my guest. Respect and knowledge above all. Merry Christmas, for those who celebrates, and for those who do not, have a very good day.
"There you go my cowardly friend."
- an assumption on your part. I am neither cowardly or your friend.
"You will not say where you are from or what religion you are. So my guess was right on"
- because it is not required of a person that they say where they are from in order to leave a comment, it certainly does not make them a coward by 'default' for not including it.
"No amount of bitching or complaining is going to make western countries expel human beings."
- incorrect, it is called deportation, and who suggested deportations anyways?
"I am guessing you are not even white. Your agenda is so obvious, its laughable."
- what's my race got to do with it? My agenda? I wasn't aware of having anything so complex as an 'agenda', but if it's 'transparent' then perhaps you could tell me what this mythical agenda is.
"You and your buddies better get used to Islam/ Jewdaism/ Catholicism/ Athiesm"
- we've been used to it for a long time, and by and large every religious group you just mentioned (save one) have been able to co-exist peacefully.
"We fought a civil war and two world wars to get rid of vermin like you. If need be we will take up that challenge again and again and again"
- you fought in nothing, perhaps your grandparents , but not you. Good example of someone trying to willfully misinterpret another's words. You will neec to take up the challenge again tho', but not against me.
Simply put: Sweden manufactures weapons that kill people.
Swedes open their borders to displaced peoples to relieve the guilt caused from turning a blind eye to the weapons manufactured here and sold offshore to create some of this displacement...
The misguided and ignorant 'neutralism' that Swedes falsely pride themselves in is as sickening now as it was during WWII when half of Kiruna was mined and trained to ships waiting in Norway and used to buld German machinery...
If you open your gates to immigrants and yet continue to manufacture weapons that are ultimately used on their families and homelands then expect the fallout... If you want to be known for your bleeding hearts then first wipe the blood from your hands...
End all war, end weapons, end money today.
What a load of idealistic crap.
Great essay, which probably applies to all languages, and any kind of political writing.
Whenever somebody says, "we" or "they", "Sweden", or some religion. Whenever, somebody uses some label to mark a group of people: it's just a convention, it's
just a mental shortcut to lump people into a group, and make them seem less human. In truth, we are all alone in this world. We are all individuals. We all have to struggle with fear, mortality, loss, power, feelings of insignificance,
passage of time, illness, poverty, romantic rejection, sadness. We are all alone, and yet in some way we are all the same.
Is Sharia law " just" when is discriminates half of the population? Stoning of women, in the name of Islam -It is barbaric. The koran is only preaching peace among Mulims themselves, while all others; jews, infidels etc., it commands, should be killed.
I appreciate moderate muslims who try to interprete the Koran non-violently, and who calls for nonviolence and respect for human rights. We are in fact all about to loose our human rights because of the dominance of islamic states in the UN human rights council. It is a real threat and we ALL have to try to stop this fundamentalism.
It may not be required, but it would definitely explain your obvious hatred towards Muslims.
I guess you are ashamed of your ethnicity. A self hating immigrant who will never be accepted into the Swedish Klan.
As the saying goes, "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" . For your puny brain, it translates to "Those who are vulnerable should not attack others".
"your obvious hatred towards Muslims."
- nothing I said qualifies me as hating anybody, if you found an example of it please show me.
"I guess you are ashamed of your ethnicity"
- wrong, it's just not your business, none of it is relevant to the discussion.
"As the saying goes, "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" . For your puny brain, it translates to "Those who are vulnerable should not attack others".
- your replies are full of presumption and generalizations (and insults). I have told you very little about myself, yet you attempt to phsyco-analyse me over the internet. The bottom line is that you have nothing to contribute, and are probably a graduate of the 'Cornelius Hamelburg' school of logic.
If you want a serious DEBATE cowboy, I'll be happy to oblige, but if you are going to be an angry little internet-spazz then forget it.
Here's a quote:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) founder Omar Ahmad, 1998
It's easy (once you're trained in underestanding the Islamic death-cult) to see how Azad employs Islamic TAQUIYYA (lying for the benefit of winning over the ENEMY - that's YOU, citizens of Sverige!) in trying to say that Islam is a religion of "peace"!
It is, but for Muslims ONLY (excuse me while I spit)!
This deceitful Muslim (but aren't most of them?) isn't telling you that his use of the principle of TAQUIYYA (& its companion principle of KITMAN!) allows him to commit a "sin of omission" & NOT tell you about "ABROGATION", another principle which means that the EARLIER, kinder, gentler verses Mohammed received from Allah in Mecca are SUPERCEDED by the LATER, murderous, genocidal, verses he received from Allah in Medina!
002.106 (THE ABROGATION TEXT- or "NASKH" - 3 English translations)
Mohammed says Allah is saying:
YUSUFALI: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?
PICKTHAL: Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?
SHAKIR: Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
This "Dr." (having a doctorate in Islam is like having an advanced degree in spreading ignorance & sociopathy !) is telling you Islam is a religion of peace when in fact, Islam became a murderous religion of enslavement and exploitation after Mohammed moved to Mecca & began CONQUERING the WORLD!
Azad is becoming infamous here in the States & I hope Sverige will quickly understand he's only doing what ALL Muslims do, that is, try to DESTROY THE WEST!!
Please read the rest of the Qu'ran & you'll get what I'm saying!
Now, GO BACK TO SLEEP!
Know Islam, No peace No Islam, Know peace!
beholden to a certain kind of immigrants.Please be aware that
the Swedish Government is only beholden to her people and not
a certain kind of immigrants and rightly it should be the other way and the swedish natives are beholden to their forefathers the great fearless Vikings who had built up what
Sweden and Scandinavia is today.Immigrants who had and are
willing to integrate and assilimate into Swedish socity and
way of life with utmost " loyalty " should be commended and
assisted but for those who finds it hard to integrate and
assilimate and doubtful " loyalty " please deport them to
countries which want them.Enough of pleasing and giving in to
a certain kind of immigrants who ulimately would ?
A terrorist blows himself up and goes up to Heaven where he sees St. Peter at the Pearly Gates and says, "Are you Mohammed?"
St. Peter says. "No, he's further up."
He walks up further and sees Jesus. "Are you Mohammed?"
Jesus says, "No, he's further up…"
He walks on further and sees God with a big beard. "You must be Mohammed!"
"No," says God, "I'm God, take a seat. Would you like tea?"
The terrorist sits down and says, "Yes, please, I'd love some tea."
God calls out loudly "Mohammed! Two teas now and make it quick!
Spare us the trite rhetoric, Dr. Azad, about turning the other cheek on an aggressive invader who has declared an all out ideological and often physical war on the Western way of life
Islam is an ultra conservative, fascist cult/political movement that must be stopped or it will destroy Western civilization. It is sexist, superstitious, intolerant, violent, ignorant and against all that makes the West what it is.
Tolerance of Islam is suicide.
The passivity of the Swedish response to this already is indicative of it's front runner status to be the first Islamic state in Europe in a few decades.
See what the social system looks like then when these animals get their way.
Oh for educational purposes it said "death to all non-believers" on the cover of Saudi school books up till 2003.
If you say "fuk you, fuk your religion and fuk your country" in Saudi you WILL be sentenced to 3 years in jail - happened to a lebanese friend of mine. Another true story.
EVIL religion Islam is.
You will have to come up with better blog site BS than the above link.
You seem to think yourself internet literate (???), any dumnF... can blog and put any BS on there, and fools like you and NJAL will believe it. "DUH , well I read it on the internet, it must be true."
As far as you being an EXPAT, than you are no longer an American so your words mean shiiite. Traitor.
@NJAL;
It is interesting how you thrash everyone on this site like Cornelius being African and that he should go back to Africa. And poor TIN TIN who you abuse because she is ARAB, and Kevin Harris who is the only sane person on this site.
But you will not say where you are from, so logic tells me you too have a monkey in the closet.
Anyway, I suggest the 3 or 4 people who are the only ones on this web site who spew their twisted logic of hate change their black hearts in the coming new year.
You can start by reading The Wisdom Of Insecurity by Alan Watts.
Another good saying for you haters: " Dont start a war you cant win "
To all who have been abused by these idiots..... Merry Xmas and a great new year.
In Saudi it is allowed even to this date to consummate a marriage with a 12 year old girl legally. Totally sickening. Any takers on this one???
This is the type of EVIL that is imported to Sweden. Never ever believe the stripes of a tiger can be rinsed off.
More to come
"It is interesting how you thrash everyone on this site like Cornelius being African and that he should go back to Africa. And poor TIN TIN who you abuse because she is ARAB, and Kevin Harris who is the only sane person on this site."
- who have I 'thrashed'? or was it that I had a disagreement with them instead, none of those people responded to this thread, so try to stay focused on the thread ok. Everyone here knows easily enough how to look up a member's last posts, so well done you're obviously very clever.
"But you will not say where you are from, so logic tells me you too have a monkey in the closet."
-I have already explained why I will not tell you where I'm from, move on, as for what 'logic' suggests? It should suggest that you don't know me, so your attempts to try to 'diagnose' me are pointless.
" suggest the 3 or 4 people who are the only ones on this web site who spew their twisted logic of hate change their black hearts in the coming new year."
- and you are the self-appointed 'defender of the down-trodden', programmed to attack like a pit-bull all those you disagree with, without really saying why. Probably there are some people like that, but what if it's not hate cowboy, what if it's anger and frustration? two very understandable emotions given how politics has dealt with the issue surrounding events like this, (this is an example of a useful question cowboy, as it invites you to say why you either agree/disagree, now's the part where you think of something useful to write).
"You can start by reading The Wisdom Of Insecurity by Alan Watts."
- maybe, I'll get the Cole's notes on it.
"Another good saying for you haters: " Dont start a war you cant win "
-could you be more specific? when did I start a war? is what you really mean that you read something you disagree with, and that you can't put that desire into a sentence because of a lack of articulation?
"To all who have been abused by these idiots..... Merry Xmas and a great new year. "
- another assumption on your part, I have abused no one. But you have a happy Christmas too cowboy, and try to think of something useful to say, rather than the first thing that pops into your head for next time.
"...@Njal..who are you to tell anybody to get out of sweden?"
- Someone who has an un-alienable right to comment upon the topic as is custom in the free West. If I observe an Iranian (by way of example), telling Swedes how they ought to behave after THEIR people have been bombed I'm going to remind him that he's free to go back to Iran where perhaps he'd be happier (unless of course he's a vile hypocrite). That's the way it is in the West Sheba, you're allowed to say when you disagree with people. Part of your confusion stems from the fact, perhaps, that you feel all peoples ought to be welcome in our lands (the West). I do not believe this. And I feel compelled to 'remind' you that by and large, we were never asked if we wanted so many foreign peoples living amongst us.
Politicians just went ahead and did it. Glad to see you're being instructed in a Western university as you could not get an equal education in the lands of your own folk.
You are also a racist, as you make a blanket statment about white people being responsible for all the world's ills. Your thoughts seem to fall over each other in an effort to get them on the screen, but the end result is a jumbled angry rant, from someone who certainly doesn't appear to be a student based on her arguments and ability to make coherent/understandable posts.
Yes caucasians are a threat to humanity, so enjoy yor safety in their lands, enjoy the eduacation you got for free, enjoy the fact that you receive an education superior to the one you could receive in your own lands, and mostly enjoy the fact that you may attempt to match wits with those on an internet forum invented by white people. How else could you express yourself.
Didn't think so. Please refrain from volunteering the services of the US military and stick to defending our enemies from the safety of your keyboard.
BTW, just because you are an American and our military is awesome (without you) doesn't mean you should use it to threaten people with violence.
I know it feels good to be an armchair bada$& and pretend you have something to do with the process but realistically, if our European allies decided Islam was ruining their countries and did something non-violent about fixing it, there isn't going to be any American invasion of Europe. You are seriously an idiot for even implying that.
And I don't see anyone I served with looking to die to defend the good name of Islam anytime ever.
But it feels real good to boast about how we fought all those wars doesn't it, cowgirl? Your threats sound so masculine. You are really a tough mofo. Maybe you should reread your book on insecurity?
I live in both the US and Sweden, and unless the laws have changed living abroad is not an act of treason.
Didn't know we were at "war", but you are the expert on such things.
I doubt that Sweden or any other non-moslum country would be able to create a "bridge of understanding" such that non-moslums would come to understand and accept those who submit themselves to islam. Understanding comes from knowledge. The more one learns of islam and its "PROFIT", the more one knows how incompatible it is with modern rational thought. The most telling aspect of islam is that it removes the need for critical thinking. It only requires "SUBMISSION".
As intelligent as Dr. Azad might be, he fails to comprehend the driving force behind the dichotomy between the peace-loving moslums and the violent-radical ones. It is not the practitioners of islam that is the problem; it is islam itself.
One side of this dichotomy comes from the fact that human beings are INTRINSICALLY moral beings. Our INNATE morality comes from an internal source that has evolved over time. It does not come from an external source (religion). Some religions deny our intrinsic (some would say, "god given") morality and would have us believe that only by following "THEIR" religious doctrine (provided by god, of course) will the human race obtain its "TRUE" morality. Unfortunately environmental factors can override our natural moral instincts. Religions such as islam can do a lot to corrupt our innate morality.
There are good religions and there are bad religions. Azad misses the mark when he says that, "Life is holy in all religions" because LIFE is more revered in some religions than it is in other religions. Some religions even go so low as to define WHAT "life" is more holy and what "life" does not apply as being holy.
There are good people in bad religions BECAUSE people are basically good! Even when they are trapped in a bad religion! Only their ignorance of their religion allows them their peace of mind. (Ignorance is bliss!)
Azad is correct when he says that "The majority of Muslims are peace-loving law-abiding citizens, caring, respectful and compassionate neighbours...". They are good IN SPITE OF their religion. When people are trapped in a bad religion their innate morality is still there.
This leads us to the other side of this "peace-loving" verses "violent-radical" dichotomy which is "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE".
The "PROFIT" of islam raped women, tortured people, murdered people, robbed and plundered, enslaved people, assassinated people and demonstrated other behaviors that we in the modern Western society would consider extremely deviant.
Yet in islam, he is worshiped as the PERFECT EXAMPLE of the PERFECT MAN!
Most followers of islam know nothing of these behaviors.
Why?
Because the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE brought on by the "need to believe in the PERFECT man (appointed by GOD)" verses "the ACTIONS of this extremely DEVIANT (un-godly?) man cannot be reconciled". A cognitive dissonance is created. This mental dissonance shows itself in the extreme as intense emotional responses such as HOSTILITY, ANGER, FEAR, DENIAL and RATIONALIZATION. These EXTREME emotional responses are already evidenced in the world around us. Very few people seem to understand the psychological reasons why the followers of islam are killing themselves and others in the name of their religion.
Azad says that "Al-Qaeda and its cohorts may be inspired by the foggy misinterpretation of Islam". The fact is that the DISSONANCE is so strong in those that know the truth about their "PROFIT" that they are compelled to do battle for their religion in the same way they were taught by their "profit" himself! They are called terrorists and "deviant followers" by the "MAIN STREAM" followers.
It is primarily because of their ignorance that these "main stream" followers have not had to face their own COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. They only know of the "perfect man" of the perfect religion.
What happens when these "main stream" people are suddenly faced with the fact that their "profit" was FAR LESS than perfect? Some people just choose to leave islam, which is an option if they live in non-islamic countries and can avoid the "HONORABLE" wrath of their family and neighbors.
Unfortunately the majority of islam's followers are trapped in their religion! They DO NOT have the option of denouncing or leaving it because apostates of islam are dealt with very severely! They are trapped in their religion with no way out. The cognitive dissonance they experience allows them to rationalize what they intrinsically know should be morally wrong, this then allows them to believe in the perfectness of their profit and their religion. For the last 1400 years, they have not been allowed to criticize their religion and therefore NOBODY ELSE is allowed to do so either.
Dr. Azad is correct when he thinks "it takes a person of ignoble misunderstanding and instability to advocate or perform violence...". What he does not realize is that it is islam itself that is creating this cognitive dissonance which causes emotional instability and leads to violence! Azad finds it "unfathomable that a married man with three children could be driven to such levels of blind fanaticism" and that "A new branch of psychiatry needs to be opened and explored to understand the mindset of such dark personalities". When you start to understand the EXTREME EMOTIONS that are created through cognitive dissonance, these acts make total sense.
Preventing these extremes of emotion can only be mitigated by stopping the cultural isolation of the young, educating them, and allowing them the option of choosing other paths in their life. The followers of islam must stop deceiving themselves and stop trying to deceive the rest of the world about the pureness of their "profit" and the peacefulness of their religion. When the world knows what kind of man islam is based on, they will stop blindly giving in to its demands.
I understand that Dr. Azad needs to believe that islam is a peaceful religion. It is interesting that his dissonance keeps him from quoting the violent verses. He says, "Islam categorically forbids Muslims from taking life in a cowardly and unjust way - their own or those of others". He quotes 4:151 "take not life, ... except by the way of justice and law".
The cognitive dissonance here is the fact that it was their PROFIT HIMSELF that took life in cowardly and unjust ways! Non-islamic thinking would say that TORTURE is cowardly and unjust but when it comes to THEIR PROFIT...
Their cognitive rationalization is that their profit could not be unjust - so when he staked a man to the ground and lit a fire on the mans chest to torture the man into telling where the money was hidden, this is viewed as a noble act because this man had no right to keep silent when commanded by god's PROFIT! Another noble act occurred when the profit tortured some men by cutting off their hands and feet and burning out their eyes with a poker. He then left them in the desert sun to die with a warning that anyone helping these men would suffer the same fate.
The moslums call these acts JUSTICE; non-moslums would call it COWARDLY and UNJUST TORTURE!
These are just a couple of the insanely numerous acts of depravity perpetrated by god's profit. Acts that all have rational explanations that allow them to keep their profit perfect. Rationalizations that bring out the worst aspects of cognitive dissonance.
What could the Swedes possibly do to BRIDGE this cultural divide?
Well said... Those of us who criticize Islam should remember that most of it's followers have been indoctrinated into this cult since birth. It's not that they were born any different than we were. They are in some ways victims too.
Most have never really read the Koran or even understand what a depraved, perverted psychopath their "perfect man" prophet really is. They follow blindly because that is what they were taught.
But either way, it doesn't make Islam itself any less evil.
I must say its really cute though that these imbeciles are sticking together.
Whenever attempts are made to destroy a person, or religion or an idea; it only gets stronger. So while these people believe they are destroying, they are in fact giving more power to it.
No different than terrorists trying to destroy life. These people are even more dangerous as they are attempting to destroy an entire peoples humanity.
So keep at it, you will only make it stronger. Whatever IT may be.
Yes, profound insights on the nature of world religions from a guy who spells Judaism "Jewdaism"...
You're clearly and expert on the subject. All of us who believe in "Athiesm" and are Atheists appreciate your penetrating analysis.
Try learning to spell what you are talking about before waxing poetic on it like an expert if you'd like to be taken seriously...
@ sheba
Like most Muslim immigrants, you don't seem to comprehend the hypocrisy of your own life. Although hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is a uniquely Muslim talent. That and killing yourselves.
You write racist anti-white rhetoric while LIVING in the white man's world. Why are you here if we're so awful?
Because your own culture is a sad, backwards cess pool where there is nothing of value.
And because you are just another parasite. Muslims in society are about as "vital" as stray dogs.
Get it while it lasts, because it's not going to last for much longer. Then see how much you like living with your Muslim brothers back in hell.
Go home, and stop being just another Muslim hypocrite like the porn and strip club loving "martyrs" of 9/11.
Also, learn to write beyond a first grade level if you'd like to pretend to have a "worls" class education.
Ooh, what a comeback you had. You are evidently a genius.
You have no honor, dignity, humanity, courage or soul.
Traits which are required to serve in the US military. And for anyone who believes you served in the military, well I have a beach front property in Nevada for sale.
Stop embarrassing the US.
As far as the US not kicking some more ass when and if the time comes, well.. your buddies the NAZI's were also discounting that fact.
You want to compare sizes, well that is also easy. Just email me your address and we can meet in person and "discuss" the issue.
I have no patience for complete Pu....ies like you bashing a group of people. I along with all my 'Kind" will be waiting for all your 'Kind" if need be. That is called honor, dignity, humanity. Something you and Al Qaeda, Nazi's, bigots, xenophobes, and basically complete morons would know nothing about.
Do you people actually think you are helping matters with your one dimensional bigotry?
Do something constructive and use your brains for a change to defeat every ones enemy. Yes, the enemy being hate. Not Islam, or Christianity or JEWDAISM.
By the way, do you geniuses realize everything you write is traceable and will be for a VERY long time? (Just Google your screen names)
There will come a day when laws might change and all you who have written such hateful material, could be held accountable. Think about that next time you geniuses feel like sharing your hateful and racist ideology.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
Yes, because the military is filled with people just like YOU. Muslim loving, San Francisco fa@@ots who talk big from their mother's basement. And my views are totally an anomaly and out of place. You are clearly an expert on these things and would fit in perfectly. Try enlisting and see how that works out for you...
Your delicate sensibilities might be aghast to hear the blood thirsty radical Islamists compared regularly to the Nazis. They are only the ones shooting at us, INTENTIONALLY massacring civilians (women and children) and vowing world domination after all.
But that's "dishonorable" talk, so that would never happen. Everyone just sits around reading books on Zen, princess.
But keep volunteering others to go "kick ass", you limp wristed tw@t. Everyone is fired up to invade Europe to let the Muslims take over for sure.
And yes, your inability to spell the name of the other major Middle Eastern religion is a pretty good indicator that you've never even read a single book on the subject. Or you are completely retarded.
Which is why, for a lack of any valid response regarding your blatant ignorance, you resort to typing more sad, keyboard warrior threats from a world away with the safety of knowing you'll never actually have to get your teeth kicked out.
You sir, are the toughest, most harda&& commenter on the Local. Your credible threats of violence on the mass and individual scale are direct extensions of your superior masculinity and expert knowledge in the areas of religion, military service, and spelling.
You have now earned the honor and respect of your peers. Your low IQ is now compensated for by your ability to type threats anonymously. Excellent work. You are clearly a credit to your nation, and a deadly warrior with the keyboard.
PS - I think there's this Alan Watts book you should read, tough guy...
I have no patience for complete Pu....ies like you bashing a group of people. I along with all my 'Kind" will be waiting for all your 'Kind" if need be. That is called honor, dignity, humanity. Something you and Al Qaeda, Nazi's, bigots, xenophobes, and basically complete morons would know nothing about.
Do you people actually think you are helping matters with your one dimensional bigotry?
Do something constructive and use your brains for a change to defeat every ones enemy. Yes, the enemy being hate. Not Islam, or Christianity or JEWDAISM.
By the way, do you geniuses realize everything you write is traceable and will be for a VERY long time? (Just Google your screen names)
There will come a day when laws might change and all you who have written such hateful material, could be held accountable. Think about that next time you geniuses feel like sharing your hateful and racist ideology.
More to come....
You go girl. Run to the mods for help, chickenhawk.
I don't see any "Threads" removed. Are you hallucinating again? Time to take your suppositories again.
Maybe you need to spew some more hatred towards some more people ( Muslims, Gays, Buddhists, etc...) to come back to normality.
Give it up jackass. (no offense to donkeys)
E.g. You go to Saudi or Iran and try to ring church bells publicly, only to be found with a harsh prison sentence and deportation.
The Bible is also a confusing document. Most Biblical scholars would agree that the more violent passages in the beginning of the Bible are superseded by the later New Testament.
Whereas the Koran is opposite. Its peaceful verses are in the beginning and the more violent passages appear at the end. I haven't got that far yet, but supposedly those earlier passages superseded by those at the end.
Perhaps someone who is more learned than I am can help clarify this for me and others who may be interested.
I mentioned root problems that must be adddresed by Educated and civil class of Sweden who are at helm.The key word is RESPECT to muslim faith and enact a law that offend the religious sentiments of Muslim by any body like newspaper or anyone....
The nasty people want the conflict.They provoke such incident so that Muslim and non-muslim keep killing each other.Such nasty virus like elements like the one who made cartoon should be stopped and not allowed to speak.....
Roots problems is to be addressed and that is a job of intellectuals and who are not emotionals....
Muslim are indeed peace loving and immigration will help boost swedish economy and value in world.Few nasty elements just against Immigration need to be stopped from misleading people through lies and hate material...
Thanks.
It seems Sweden is a horrible place for you and your brothers, especially when your sisters want to marry swedish men who treat them with RESPECT only to find out that there is honor killing lurking in the neighborhood.
I have lived in the middle east for over 12 years and know your kind very well. So again you have been given a safe haven in Sweden and now it's time for you to return to your brothers and sisters to fight the inhumane Swedish system that saved your azz once.
You are the kind of Nasty elements that provoke people by hook and crook..Btw most western women convert to Islam wear Hijab and live happily with Muslim and build strong moral chracter unlike living with a swede commit adultory or drink alohol at home....
You said some interesting things that ought to be addressed,
" Sweden promises them a good future and hope for their family"
-incorrect, Sweden gives you the CHANCE to earn happiness in their land, and believe it or not, they don't even owe you that, as you are not really Swedish, be thankful you're not being shot at anymore.
"They are alienieted,and looked down upon because of their cloths and marginalised as a result of this hate campaign by newspapers etc"
- I give sympathy to you in so far as you believed the lies of a very small group of politicians that said 'welcome to Sweden what's ours is yours' (not true obviously), but the majority of Sedes (or ANY peoples) don't want a large amount of foreigners amongst them.
"If Swedish government have given them refuge, it does not give anyone a lisence to insult their faith they cherish and love and give them phycological pain in the name of rubbish freedom that is detoriating the fabric of society....."
- incorrect, you are a 'supplicant' (look it up), you were given a good safe home, and now Swedes are being bombed for their kindness. ".So this hate, sense of cheating builds up in a person who turns fanatic like this"
- you are not the only peoples to face adversity, if a person chooses to deal with their 'frustrations' with cold-blooded murder, then they get the blame, not the Swedes.
" it does not give anyone a lisence to insult their faith"
- When did they do so? In my experience, Swedish media usually comes down on the side of the foreigner.
".The key word is RESPECT to muslim faith and enact a law that offend the religious sentiments of Muslim by any body like newspaper or anyone...."
-No, we're not going to enact a law anywhere in the West to protect your filty ideology (islam). As for respect? your co-religionists are bombing them, you proprely get treated like a terrorist. Hardly surprising to hear you write Sweden should adapt to muslims.
"Roots problems is to be addressed "
-Islam
"Muslim are indeed peace loving and immigration will help boost swedish economy and value in world"
- some muslims are not peace loving at all! and it only takes 1 suicide bomber to negate any positive impact you might have had. As for boosting the economy, you have to speak the language, be employed and be 'willing' to fully integrate into Swedish society. Too many so far have not, so you have no right (what rights you do have were given to you by the Swedes) to tell the Swedes what they must to in order for you to feel welcome.
`..Btw most western women convert to Islam wear Hijab and live happily with Muslim and build strong moral chracter `
- disagree
The other site is memri. com another independent Israeli website that brings you the reall written and spoken language used in Arab and Islamic lands. At the moment, you can view the whipping of an Iranian woman by two exceptionally brave policemen or soldiers. Afterweards, you will hear the politician expalining why it was all necessary. Not very pleasan t viewing, however, you will know the factual messages put over for local taste and not for sensitive western people.
Before you comment, please view first, you may then have good reason to continue with point scoring
heido
qed, yes, I too have seen that moslums have a hard time seeing their own hypocrisy, but you're incorrect when describing it as a "unique talent".
Their hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is HARDLY UNIQUE! I have seen such hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance in various religions and cultures.
Dr. Azad did not seem to understand how it is islam itself that creates the "extremists". If he understood that cognitive dissonance shows itself as intense emotional responses such as HOSTILITY, ANGER, FEAR, DENIAL and RATIONALIZATION, he would understand that these EXTREME emotional responses are constantly being created in new individuals everyday. The problem is not in the people, it is in the religion. Very few people seem to understand the psychological reasons why the followers of islam are killing themselves and others.
@hamza19986 - "... their religion in insulted ... They are alienieted ... their cloths ... hate campaign by newspapers etc. ... Swedish army killing ..."
hamaza, I think of you as a perfect example of how the Swedish government has failed the immigrants who move here. The biggest problem is the lack of understanding by the government of the mindset of those who immigrate here.
The SOLUTION that the government avoids is EDUCATION!
To take the example of the moslum immigrants, the Swedish government assumes islam is just like any other religion. That these immigrants will come here and set up their religious centers and get on with the business of life in Sweden. The government feels that life in Sweden is not that hard to understand and therefore ANY immigrant will have little difficulty understanding it and fitting in. Unfortunately, the Swedish government fails to realize that immigrants from islamic countries are INDEED NOT PREPARED for life in Sweden. These immigrants have been indoctrinated into a TOTALITARIAN system of islamic governance. The law is based islam, their lives revolve around islam and their cultures are embedded in its traditions, there is no freedom of religion, and most importantly, there is no freedom of expression (freedom of speech). Even taxation can be a totally foreign concept.
These people grow up knowing that the government is there to protect islam and its followers. These immigrants grow up knowing that disparaging islam is FORBIDDEN and brings DEADLY consequences. They KNOW that islam is perfect and the laws it is based on are the ONLY JUST laws humanity should follow. All other non-islamic countries and their laws are morally inferior! The sad part is that these people are trapped in the islamic religion with no possibility to leave!
Then they move to Sweden and the Swedes say, "Welcome to freedom, have a nice day!"
The moslum immigrants are suddenly faced with FREEDOMS - of expression, beliefs and lifestyle. It sees a government that allows behaviors that "back home" would bring the death penalty! They are faced with Sweden's inferior laws based on immoral concepts. Their behavior becomes extremely emotional and violent and they make the demands that they were taught from the beginning; that Sweden's laws must be made to protect islam and in fact the moslums should be judged only by islamic law.
What the government fails to realize is that before Sweden releases ANY immigrant into "the general population", they need to be (RE)EDUCATED as to what Swedish society is all about. Freedom of expression needs to be learned and understood! Understanding the law and citizenship needs to be learned! The family's rights and responsibility needs to be relearned so that each family member can choose their lifestyle with no fear of HONOR being exacted on them. They need to be taught about other religions and non-religious philosophies. They need to understand that religious freedom means the freedom to choose YOUR own religion. They need to learn that they cannot exact violence on those that choose to leave their religion and those who disparage it.
Apostates in Sweden who choose to leave islam should not have to face violence or even death (because that's the way it was done back home)!
Most importantly, the government needs to inform ANY immigrant that if they cannot abide by our laws and live within our freedoms, that they should move elsewhere because breaking the law or FORCING your beliefs on those around you will not be tolerated and will result in prison and then deportation.
hamaza, you definitely do not understand the concept of freedom of expression. The only reason it is causing "psychological pain" and "destroying the fabric of 'islamic' society" is because for 1,400 years, islam has existed in a vacuum. It has never had to face criticism. It now has to examine itself in the light of the modern world and non-islamic values! Suddenly, islam comes to a country that values freedom of expression, and factual dialog, and moslums are faced with statements such as;
"The 'PROFIT' of islam raped women, tortured people, murdered people, robbed and plundered, enslaved people, assassinated people and demonstrated other behaviors that we in the modern Western society would consider extremely deviant."
These are facts about islam's 'PROFIT' that you say cannot be spoken? Why?
Yes! These words will destroy the fabric of islamic society because those people who do not know about these behaviors, are suddenly faced with DOUBT!
I know that islam has rationalized away these behaviors but we in the West cannot rationalize such behavior as being of a HOLY PERSON sent by god! Therefore we cannot be quiet about them, anymore than we can be quiet about any perceived injustice in our society or the world around us.
I have no problem with people worshiping such a person as your profit anymore than I have a problem with someone worshiping the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster). I do have a problem with people being forced to worship something through ignorance and violence.
The statement that concerns me the most is your statement that the Swedish Military is killing islam's brothers and sisters.
This statement is so xenophobic that I fear your cognitive dissonance has already pushed you far from being peaceful. You only see Swedish non-moslums killing moslums?!?! You cannot see that a band of insanely fanatical moslums, THE BAD GUYS, are terrorizing another group of peaceful moslums, THE GOOD GUYS! In your mind it is OK for one group of moslums to kill another group as long as it is done in the name of your god?
The Swedish military is over there at the request of the Afghan government to try to stop the bad guys from hurting the good guys and to train the good guys to help themselves!
It would be nice to hear something like, "Thank you for trying to help our brothers and sisters over there."
I think it takes one sick puppy to believe that the Swedish military is over there to attack islam and to kill moslums!!!!
Almost 99% swedes I met respect others faith including Islam and even the policemen respect Islam and we invite them to Islam and some of them convert to islam so I dont know how and from where dirty fish like you prop up from.You dont represent civilised swedish culture but some kind of animal trying to be smart ass.
But anti-Islam false newspaper propaganda and people like Njal must be root out who are enemy of civilised society and who mix truth with lies.
Honour Killing has nothing to do with Islam but some ego person..Nowhere in Quran it is mentioned to kill you daughter or son for honour.....
If Islam is so bad as media delibrating manipulating peoples mind then why people are converting to islam especially the women folk .You will agree once you start accepting reality and read Quran and Book of Sunnah yourself instead of being brainwashed by media into a hate mongering machine...try to learn islam yourself...
I cant believe sweden could have such garbage like you abusing Islam..
"Almost 99% swedes I met respect others faith including Islam"
- 99% of the Swedes YOU met, but not 99% of Swedish people
"so I dont know how and from where dirty fish like you prop up from"
- not really sure what you're trying to say here, but if you're wondering why I'm making comments against isalm, it is because I think it's a horrible ideology.
"people like Njal "
read: normal people who don't want to be dictated to by rude islamists/foreigners.
"Honour Killing has nothing to do with Islam "
- lie
" why people are converting to islam especially the women folk "
- forced conversions in your homelands do not count sunshine, but if you're claiming that Western women are converting to islam, then I do not believe you.
"You will agree once you start accepting reality and read Quran and Book of Sunnah yourself "
- I see, so in order to accept 'reality', we have to read your horrible book of desert fairy tales.
"...try to learn islam yourself..."
- that's pretty low on my list of 'things to do' hamza
"I cant believe sweden could have such garbage like you"
- you're living there aren't you?
"Such nasty virus like elements like the one who made cartoon should be stopped and not allowed to speak..."
You don't get to come to the West and tell people what they can and can't say or threaten to silence them or kill them for doing so.
You openly admit your religion needs to end what you call the "rubbish freedom" that we value.
But you are too stupid too even see that you make our arguments against Islam for us. Thank you. This is because you are just another Islamic drone who's logical capacities have been destroyed by your ignorant religion. Not your fault, really.
Keep talking and give us more ammunition against you. Please keep writing more.
There are plenty of Muslim countries that agree with your views. Why not go live in one?
Because they are horrible places with no opportunities since they are still in the dark ages because of Islam.
Despite being so "holy", Muslim countries are among the most corrupt, economically unproductive places on earth. Why is that?
Because your religion despises knowledge and freedom, as you've already admitted, making them full of ignorance and violence instead.
I have no time to answer everyone of ignorant of you who have not shown a single verse of Quran or hadith that shows that Muslim must not learn science.Quran embraces science and morality both.Read Spanish history ?Who invented camera,aljebra, coffee, soap, perfume, carpet, garden, newton gave law of motion much later and before that muslim scietist already given these laws,who invented compass, who invented map of the world , who introduced system of economics free of interest? who introeduced social welfare system of helping orphans and needy,who were pioneers of pension for widow woman ?THERE WERE MUSLIMS from where material came to Europe when Europe was lost in dark ages of christian/sceince fight and at that time chrsitian were learning science from Muslim in spain.Present Arab may be against science or not but certainly Islam is not against science..Quran itself talks about big bang theory, about formation child inside mother womb and its stages that inspired Canada's well known professor to become Muslim.
What Quran is against is not science of Material but science of Human being.How a Man/woman should behave ?And It the Allah swt who is creator of Human being knows what is right for him and wrong for him
Freedom of speech must be there but it is civilised one.Freedom of speech bring many positive and forgetten ideas together.Infact the concept tof freedom of speech is in Islam and may have been inspired from it...But freedom of speech in any civil soceities does not mean you start abusing Islam...That is Ignorance....Even Islam prohibited to abuse anyone's God...Is their freedom of speech to speak against holocaust or they will punish you.
China/India, Korea may be progressing faster than you.Do they insult Islam or faith?
The freedom of speech you are demanding will bring damage to your country.It is just last 10 or so years that islam is being demonized...How about last 60 or 80 years i have not heard of any thing that demonied Islam.So your all invention took place in these 10 or so years.Go fool someone else...
Abt sending troops in Afghanistan..Everyone and even a small child knows that America installed puppit government that do not represent Afghanis in large neither media show the truth.American have killed thousands of innocent muslims children and women as wikileaks shows the truth and swedish governmet and army will have to pay for it because they are with NATO and their hands soacked with blood of innocent children of Afghanistan..They have bombed their wedding cermony, their eid festivel, destroyed their markets.
West like to point fingers on Muslim, they must look at their deterioting condition..recently pedophiles group caught, excessive adultory, incest,killing of muslims in their land, lying, faking personality , homosexuality and all moral decay is seen in west.
do you agree kill Lars Vilks, like your mussie brothers want to do? Yes or No?
Do you defend the action of this BS vilks?Should he abuse other faiths , expecially when Islam is a biggest faith of the world.Norwegian government accepted their mistake of publishing the cartoon why, not because they are muslim because it is against the social atmosphere of a country....
There is enviroment of mutual peace and respect in norway.....
Show me verse of Quran or Hadith that Prophet Muhammad Saw said kill your daughter or son for honour and I will pack by bag and leave sweden But you will never ever be able to bring any proof and then know that either you are fool , the media has brainwashed or you are liar who spread info without verifying it.....
@ jackx.
useless to talk to dumb like you.
If Lars Vilks had committed a crime under SWEDISH LAW, he would be sentenced. You have been granted refuge in Sweden. If you don't like the SWEDISH way I strongly suggest you take your coward religion and leave for where you come from.
hamaza, all I can say is - Welcome to the INFORMATION AGE!
Half a century ago there were definitely BOOKS and ARTICLES that demonized islam but you had to know about them and find them. Most people had little knowledge of islam nor did they desire to have any. In addition, much of the everyday reading material concerning islam was "censored" and politically correct (PC).
Jump ahead to today and the INFORMATION AGE allows us access to an incredible amount of information. When I first started learning about islam, it was pre-internet, and all I had access to was the censored PC "Religion of Peace" stuff.
THEN CAME THE INTERNET!!!
When I first came across the information on the Internet that Muhammad ROBBED and PLUNDERED, that he MURDERED people, and that he ASSASSINATED people, I was shocked!!! These had to be lies because these were not the actions of a "GODLY MAN"! I could not believe the source of this info, and so I kept searching.
I then learned that he RAPED WOMEN!!! TORTURED PEOPLE!!! ENSLAVED PEOPLE!!! All with the BLESSINGS of HIS GOD?!?! There was so much more to this man's deviant behavior, combined with the fact that moslums see him as the perfect man, that islam became a focal point in my attempt to understand our human evolution.
I came to understand islam as being an extremely dangerous ideology to our human development. With great sadness, I see even more so that its followers are "mostly" TRAPPED in it with no way out. The psychological implications are mind-blowing to me.
As long as information was limited, islam was safe and islamic countries were able to silence any criticism of islam. The DEMONIZINING you are referring to is the inability of islam to silence its critics! For 1,400 years, NO ONE has been allowed to criticize islam.
Now the information is out there for everyone to access. The information age and freedom of expression are extremely dangerous to islam. This is why at least 20 percent of moslum immigrants leave islam when they get to the West.
The only way islam can defend itself is by using those same tactics your profit used 1,400 years ago - with terror using fear, intimidation and violence! Terror that is justified because islam is fighting gods war of submission.
This is why Dr. Asad fails to realize that the radicalization of islam cannot be stopped from within islam itself and why Sweden could never bridge this cultural divide.
@hamaza - "The freedom of speech you are demanding will bring damage to your country
Like I said, the LACK OF EDUCATION is where the Swedish government has FAILED its immigrants. Understanding freedom of expression is VITAL to living in this country. Free speech is not a "DEMAND" and it is more than just a RIGHT, it is a way of life! The strife it can bring actually helps to strengthen our society.
The only "DAMAGE" it "WILL" bring is from a religion that can only defend itself by using terror against those who oppose it. In Sweden, it is islam that demonizes itself.
hamaza, your xenophobic attitude is very sad because any government in Afghanistan is better than the Taliban government was. You seem to support the Taliban even though they have caused so much more suffering than anything the current government is doing. There is NOTHING in wikileaks that shows America installed a puppet government. Such facts would surely be in there because everything else is in the wiki pages.
This "crusaders verses islam" xenophobic fantasy of yours allows you to demonize people like the Swedish military who are risking their lives to try to help islam's "brothers and sisters". As a follower of islam, you should be praising the Swedes for being over there doing a nearly impossible, thankless job protecting the Afghanistan people from the radical extremist Taliban.
Instead you can only call them baby killers. Has your heart really turned so cold?
You are completely delusional regarding the allure of headscarves and Islamic repression to women... Western women are not converting to Islam in any palpable number.
BUT there are 1000's former Muslim Arab, Irani, Turkish girls partying in the clubs in Sweden at night wearing make-up, with an alcoholic drink in hand, dating infidel Swedish guys outside of marriage, having fun and enjoying their lives, hijab free...
As they have the universal HUMAN RIGHT to do if they so choose...
That's a conversion race you are losing for sure.
Former Muslim girls are flocking to our "infidel" Western culture in droves and forsaking the cult that tells them they are second class citizens with no freedom or choices.
Keep bringing them over and we'll keep "converting" them, Hamza.
Sweden is a Christian country, and Swedish people along with other nationalities have their own culture. By all means practice your religion in your own countrie(s) but that religion does not belong in Europe.
- You cheer when British troops are killed and flown back to the UK.
- You commit crimes and destroy communities.
- You dictate what Laws to follow.
- You rape women, blonde women are most at risk.
- You make healthcare a complete shambles.
And quite frankly, I don't give a **** if you don't like it then ****off.
Oh but you can't, and whys that....oh yes because of the benefits, the better life and guess what I see another cartoon LOL
- because you have nothing useful to say.
Islam does not allow you to tell lies and slander ANYONE.
So there you go. You contradict yourself 360 degrees.
You are the funniest and sadly so.
"The 12 Al Qaeda terrorists, whose projected arrival has put European security authorities on high New Year alert, set out from Ain Hilweh, Lebanon, and belong to three al Qaeda-linked Palestinian groups, the Syrian Jund al-Sham, the Lebanese Army of Islam (which also operates in the Gaza Strip) and Fatah al-Islam"
According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Surah 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29.
Muhammad led 27 military campaigns against innocent
villages and caravans & planned 38 others
"I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies." (Hadith)
Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".
A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....
Keep talking about how doomed we are.
Show everyone what your "Religion of peace" is really all about...
So we encounter ignorants, we have peace and leave.
Khalas
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tomas
If you see my comments, they are based on facts, something that's hard to refute.
Now a CHURCH in Egypt has been attacked by your peace loving brothers killing hoards of people. Is this fact or no? Tell me.
Sweden is NOT a CHRISTIAN country!
It is SPIRITUAL but NOT RELIGIOUS! At one time in the past it was Christian, but its government has become secular and its culture has since evolved from a religious one into a SPIRITUAL one. As the Swedish culture has become more Spiritual, it has evolved away from the need for religion or its definitions of god(s).
I have found that the Swedish people will not speak of "GOD" nor will they try to define what god is nor what behavior god might have. The most important Spiritual aspect of their culture is that whatever concept that Swedes have of god(s), THEY HAVE NO FEAR OF IT!
In this spiritual evolution, the Swedish culture has in fact become composed of multiple religions - without being outwardly religious.
I have found the Swedish culture to be STRONGLY based on Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism, and others. -- Without being religious! These religions are deeply embedded in the Swedish culture!
A strong aspect of Swedish Spirituality are the Christian philosophies of "Love god, neighbor and self", "Forgiveness" and most importantly "How you treat the lesser of us is how you treat me (even the prisoners!)".
The Christian concepts of sin and salvation are NOT a part of this culture.
Buddhism is just as strongly embedded within the Swedish culture - "LAGOM", "Janti-lagen", "Equality" and even the concept of not needing to worship "god". (Remember, Buddhists can/do believe in god(s), they just do not worship it because this causes attachments.)
Taoism can be evidenced as "ALLEMANSRÄTTEN", living in harmony with nature, going with the flow of life, and just plain perfecting the art of living... so much more.
Confusionism - aspiring to be a "NOBLE PERSON" and the societal implications of what it means. Do the words "solemn and serious" help define the misperceived "unfriendliness" foreigners see in the Swedes? Striving for excellence, ... so much more.
I must say "NOBLE" as defined in NON-ISLAMIC philosophies because islam insists its "profit" was a noble man - but his extremely deviant actions were NOT NOBLE as defined by Western or Asian philosophies. This is why Dr. Azad fails to realize that Sweden cannot act as a BRIDGE between islam and the West.
So much more concerning the Spiritual nonreligious culture of Sweden. The saddest part of this whole Swedish Spiritual culture is that Swedes DO NOT even know about it themselves! This lack of cultural awareness shows how deeply embedded these concepts are within the Swedish psyche.
MANY RELIGIOUS immigrants come to Sweden and cannot see the Spiritual culture but instead see a godless, nonreligious society. The moslums are hardly unique in this aspect. They are just more vocal about their insistence for what passes as the "RESPECT" they demand from us towards their beliefs.
Besides the total lack of understanding of the Spiritual (nonreligious) aspect of Swedish culture; most immigrants are denied the VITAL "SOCIETAL" education by the Swedish Government that would allow them to understand and prepare them to live within the SECULAR aspects of our society!
Education of ALL immigrants is vital for them to understand Sweden. If they are not taught - how are they supposed to know.
This is why I think there is a lot of "misdirected" anger directed at the followers of islam.
Sweden IS a CHRISTIAN country. Historically, Sweden was Christianized from Norse paganism in the 11th century. From the Protestant Reformation in the 1530s until 2000, the country was officially Lutheran, with the Church of Sweden having the status of state church. The history of the Jews in Sweden can be traced back to the 17th century. Due to immigration in the later 20th century, there is today a sizeable minority of Muslims (5% of population) and Roman Catholics (2%).
Because there is no whipping, stoning, wasting time praying 5 times a day etc doesn't mean it's less CHRISTIAN.
It is common practice that Swedish school end the year in Church, not in a synagogue or mosque. The same goes with baptism and funerals - on christian grounds.
What goes on in your make-believe mind contradicts the above.
Secularism is also a religion which is the religion of false god called antichrist which cannot be proved now.In secularism people make laws and before that one king use to make law.So people decided lets all sit together and make laws therefore they divide the sin of making prohibited laws all among themselves ...So whoever caste vote become infidel...Man-made laws are like paganism or any law that replace the law of God is infidelity, either he is king, or democracy or some fake idol...these are all trick of satan..and biggest of trick is democracy which is intangible so therefore difficult to understand......
BTW people does not make even law...It the mind controling thing control people so that they can make laws and that mind controlling thing is Media, hollywood, etc..who are controlling these media are Zionist jews so they are controlling making any laws they wish to make simply through the sorcery of media...those people who do not take religion for serious and who become sinful such are people victim of these sorcery....and therefore they failed in life.and paradise pragrance will be denied...and who is controlling zionist is obviously a sinister minded evil genious antichrist whose appearance is near...So time to get back to religion books and become pious again...jesus did not die for anyone sins...keep this is mind...
You are guest of this country, You will honor Your Host and play by their rules.
If You don't like it here, then make no haste on Your speedy exit.
As You can see by the comments on this thread, You are out numbered on opinion.
The time for Tolorance has ended, and it will only take a another nudge before the scandinavian people put their foot up the asses of the insurgent ingrates.
Make no mistake about it, what comes around goes around, and The Human race has had enough of the islamic BS pushed in their faces.
The day of muslim intimedation to the free press, and the world has ended...
To prove my point, I will be having some T-shirts printed up with a recently famous cartoon that unpopular with a certain group of insurgents. I will wear it as a demonstration of freedom of expressionist art/speech/press.
There is NOTHING that They can do about it : ) lol
So this is your religion of christianity taught you to disrespect the religion.Better learn something from majority of swedish who value to respect neighbors, and others people faith.
whatever media, baised books and crooked writers tell you about Islam is wrong unless you read Quran yourself with openmind and like other converts, you will end up in being a Muslim....
The media is enemy of human decaying values and they taught you to make role models of prostitute actors and actress of hollywood ,to imitate their lifestyle.how can they tolerate Islam which is the role model of piousness....so they spread wrong info to damage islam to prevent spread the Islam and real values of life.....
God guides the pious one.and not the one who cannot resist tempations and sink away with it..This is the basic rule of getting guidance and real light that frees person from materialism and which media don't want....
Mary mother of jesus god pregant with Jesus peace be upon him at the very young age of 12 and at the age of 14 she married a man about I guess 70 or 90 years old which is not wrong in the religion of christianity but wrong in the religion of antichrist and man-made laws...
Americans killed muslims in iraq in millions and in afghanistan they delibrately kill children and women when taliban attack them ..Wikileaks shown the truth there whose director julian's character is also being tarnished by media....
If you are real MAN irrespective of faith, wear the T-shirt showing terrorism of Bush, Obama and Israil doing to palestinian and Also stop your government of Sweden to stop supporting these terrorist state otherwise you will end up like them....
I don't have religious beliefs, and if I did, it would never be islam.
Americans did the world a favor by exterminating insurgents like yourself...
It is pity that you cannot know who are real boss and insurgents.American nation is enslaved by these group of people who are rich and controlling banks, media , porn industry, alcohol indutry, cigerette industry and the very group of people is not only doing terrorism on American nation but on other countries by buying such traitors almost in all countries of west and Muslim country.
The real terrorist, insurgent, who distory human nature by making them alcholic, adultoror, lesbian, homosexual, doing sex with animals etc..These small cheap wordly entertainment is destroying the nature of human being God gifted..once your nature is changed they enslave you just like tamed lion or elephant.
It is a fact that journaists in Moslem countries are scared to produce the facts due to threats made against them. Revenues from advertising in the media by Arab/Moslem businesses are worth millions of $ each year.
It is a known fact that Saudi Arabia dispenses $billions each year to its embassies around the world to spread discord, hatred of the Jew and israel, contributes also to terrorist organisations, asttempts to convert people to Islam (many who do are absolute losers in the first place and are sickos who then want to blow up people.
Islam is a religion at war with itself. Sunnies murder Shia, and then Wahibis at war with others. The Sudan is a case in point. first the Moslems killed and forced 1 million black Christian refugees. Then they did the same against Black Moslems.
Many times we learn from Moslems that Jews are descended from pigs and apes. Yet, you mention with awe, names such as Abraham and Moses, who were Jewish. so were they, too, descended from these animals as is claimed? I have witnessed the many sick and hateful cartoons portraying Jews and Israelis in the Moslem/Arab press. It is wholly reminiscent of the Nazi (your mentors and allies during world war II) and soviet propaganda. What hateful people you really are. You should be grateful that western countries have allowed you entry and opportunity to enlighten your lives. What is their reward? Ongoing terrorist attempts agaianst them by people who should be expelled and covered in pig fat.
It is again the Arab Moslems who murder civilians in Israel. for some reasomn, you find it unacceptable when Jews fight back and beat you. There have been many terrorist attacks on Israel from well before 1948 and continue to this day.
This is why earlier above, I posted to say that if people really want to learn what is happening, they should check the Israeli intelligence site, DEBKA.COM and to learn of the facts within the Arab and Moslem world's media, they should log onto MEMRI.COM.
It is opportunistic that the unsuccessful attempt of a homicide bomber who managed to kill himself without happily loss to innocent Swedish civilians. Now Swedes may appreciate what your people are really like, and not as you and your ilk portray yourselves.
I really hope that Swedish people will pressurise their establishment to stop ignorant and moronic cretins from entry and expel those that pose a threat against the dignity and well being of the State and its citizens.
I would say that is about where the Free World is with this death cult.
To fail to do so, would be to countance rude behavior.
Yes, memri.org (not .com) is a very educational site.
Cultural and moral relativists really need to spend some eye-opening time at http://www.memritv.org/. There they will find videos of imams and Islamists in their own words, lifted from Arab television and other muslim sources.
There seems to be just a bit of deviance between what they teach their own and the line they attempt to feed to civilized Western societies.
"It all appears so surreal and one question that everybody is asking is: why Sweden?"
The answer is -- BECAUSE ISLAM IS ETERNALLY HOSTILE TO INFIDELS
The other answer may be that Swedes are suicidally stupid.
@hamza19986 - "...one cannot be a christian and secular at the same time..."
Bizarre idea because - One CAN DEFINITELY be a Christian (Buddhist, Taoist, ...) and Secular at the same time! Maybe you have a warped definition of secular.
@hamza19986 - "...Jesus was a political leader like...Infact all prophets..."
Another bizarre idea because everything I've seen points Jesus as being a TEACHER who shied away from politics. In order for YOUR PROFIT to have validity, islam needs him to be seen in the same light as the other prophets, so islam creates a warped view of Jesus and Christianity to further its own gain.
hamza, your religion puts so much emphasis on "YOUR" religious book that you miss a critical aspect of Christianity.
MANY CHRISTIANS DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE!
They recognize the fact that it was written long after Jesus's existence and codified in the 3rd century by the Roman Emperor Constantine when he created the "Christian Church". Another large group of Christians view the bible as a non-literal storybook! None of these groups put any credence in the OLD testament which is viewed as the Jewish book that was replaced by the NEW testament.
There are a MINORITY of Christians who are fundamentalists that view both Bibles as the absolute word of god. I think these are the ones you are trying to impress to prove islam and its "profit" are a valid continuation of the Abrahamic lineage.
Study the prophets? Unfortunately for islam, the prophets have little to no meaning for the majority of Christians. Christians pretty much ignore the prophets before Jesus because Jesus's validity does not rest on the actions of the old testament prophets. Jesus did not even ACT like the others. On the other hand, islam's validity does require the other prophets to prove its continuity.
@hamza19986 - "...Bible talks about stoning of adultoror..."
See again - WHICH BIBLE are you talking? The Jewish Bible definitely has it, but Jesus spoke against the practice so it is not a part of Christianity. How is it that your "profit" missed that part and so much more that encompasses Christianity. It is funny that every time a moslum tries to convince Christians of islam's validity, they quote the Jewish book as though Christians are bound to it as well. It sounds ignorant to be telling Christians that they have to behave like the Jews. (No disrespect intended toward the Jews.)
Hamza, can you see that islam is definitely descended from Judaism but it is NOT descended from Christianity? If islam is truly a continuation of Abraham's lot, it would be more similar to Christianity, but as you have heard, islam and Christianity have very little in common!
@hamza19986 - "...it is the duty of a state to implement christian laws as contained in bible..."
Contained in who's Bible? Which version? Which Translation? Hamza, it is too bad that when you came here that you were not taught that in Western society - "it is the duty of a state to protect all of it's people regardless of their beliefs!" Therefore laws must be based of SECULAR principles!
@hamza19986 - "...Secularism is...religion of false god...antichrist...together and make laws therefore they divide sin...are all trick of satan...biggest of trick is democracy..."
Wow! You really DO have a warped view of the meaning of secularism and democracy in general! All you really need to know is that secular law is based on the "god given" morality that is inherent in "most" people. It is not based on a morality that is created through somebody's interpretation of what they think god is!
SATAN?! I have always been amazed at how certain christian fundamentalists and how islam both seem to, in a large part, worship satan. It seems to be all they talk about. It is not about love, it is about fear! Not one religious or spiritual person that I personally know has ever mentioned such a concept!
@hamza19986 - "...you to disrespect the religion...whatever media, baised books and crooked...about Islam is wrong...unless you read Quran yourself...tolerate Islam which is the role model of piousness...spread wrong info to damage islam..."
I read the koran myself and became sick and extremely concerned. There is no "identifiable" version of GOD described in this religious book! I found NOTHING GODLY in it's description of your PROFIT. - I did find Muhammad the RAPIST; Muhammad the ASSASSIN; Muhammad the TERRORIST; Muhammad the ROBBER; Muhammad the PLUNDERER; Muhammad the SLAVER; Muhammad the TORTURER and MORE! I did not read this wrong! These are his actions according to your writings! Hamza, your eyes see these words but your mind cannot give them reality.
I do not care that islam believes he was justified in these acts because he was fighting "GOD's WAR"! In the greatest portion of the worlds religions, a godly man does not behave this way!
Hamza, if you do not see (find) these things in your religious book then I think the reality is that your Cognitive Dissonance does not allow you to see the extreme deviant that we in the West see very clearly. You deny your profit acted this way?
You DEMAND respect and yet how are we supposed to respect a religion that has declared an extremely violent deviant as the most perfect example of the perfect man? Respect needs to be earned, not demanded!
If you are defining piousness as sanctimonious or "used in the name of real or pretended religious motives" (dictionary.reference.com), islam definitely wins hands down.
@hamza19986 - "...American..."
Sorry, I thought we were talking about how SWEDEN cannot be a BRIDGE between the West and islam.
@hamza19986 - "...The real terrorist...distory human nature by making them...homosexual, doing sex with animals etc..."
Homosexuals are BORN that way! They are not created by society! Your religion's hatred of them show just how wrong your profit was!
SEX WITH ANIMALS!!! Everything I needed to know about this, I learned from Iran's great ISLAMIC revolutionary leader, the Ayatollah Khomeini. "...if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man...the animal must be taken outside the city and sold...an act of sodomy with a cow, ewe, camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed...If a man fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary..."
HAMZA, I do not think anything I said is incorrect (the wrong information). I try to be factual and so I do not think that I am wrong or biased. What did I say that is the WRONG interpretation of what islam is truly about? You deny these were the actions of your profit? No one needs to damage islam. Just by telling the truth about its "perfect profit", and islam's reaction to this truth, islam damages itself.
(Sorry, DamnImmigrant was bored today.)
You literally live in the dark ages. You are not of this century.
Your religion has worked diligently to rob you of the ability to think critically or question it or see anything other than the doctrine they have made you believe.
Unfortunately, you also choose to hate and repress the freedom of others to express themselves and be who they want to be whether they are women, gays or a cartoonist...
Your mentality is the problem. Not the rest of the world. This is not the dark ages and our world will never work for you. Either live in the real world or go somewhere where people share your primitive beliefs.
But those places are horrible, violent, backawards places aren't they? That's why you are here.
And for the record, homosexuality is also rampant in Afghanistan, often with young boys but you would never fact check anything your cult has told you.
I'm very glad you are on here showing people what we are dealing with.
That answer is obvious. Sweden has essentially placed a sign on its back saying 'Kick Me'. Bullies, punks and thugs always prefer targets that don't (and won't) fight back.
It's pretty pathetic that so many Swedes can be intimidated by such cowards.
Hold on! This is the real one verse, I checked it from many sources:
"4:151 They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment."
The Quran is all about warfare, killing and killing of CHRISTIANS and JEWS. See below citations.
Hadith 1:13-- "I have been ordered by Allah to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah."
Hadith 1.24 "Narrated Ibn `Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers"
Hadith 1.25"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Hadith 19:4294 "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war."
Hadith 1:35 "The person who participates in Allah's cause (namely, in battle). . will be recompensed by Allah either with reward or booty or will be admitted to Paradise."
Hadith 9:4 "Wherever you find infidels kill them; for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
Hadith 9:50, 57 "No Umma (a member of Muslim community) should be killed for killing a Kafir (an infidel). . Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."
Sahih Muslim 4363: "You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia)
Sahih Muslim 4366 Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab. Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims
Yes you are correct that 4:151 talks about - UNBELIEVERS and we have prepared a shameful woe, shameful suffering, humiliating punishment, humiliating retribution, humiliating torment, degrading torment, torment ignominious, disgraceful chastisement, shameful doom, despised torture. - depending on translation.
Ok wel first off all this Koran verse does not condemn the taking of life thats why it says "except by the way of justice and law". That means Islamic law. Under Islamic law killing is not wrong to the non beleiving infedels.
Ok so this man has used one small verse to write a very long article about how ISLAM is about peace and about how peaceful Muslims are. Can this person give me any other examples of what a peaceful book the Koran is.
Also he is painting a very nice picture of Sweden which is simpy not true. Hatred towards Swedes in the Muslim community is right out in the open and in your face. Violence towards Swedish youth from Muslim youth is actually a very normal thing these days. Even racist slurs, how often have Swedes heard the term "Javla svenska"? How can a racist slur be used from a foreign population towards people who are actually from the country
Also he seems to wonder why such attacks have been carried out in a country that are so open, gentle, supportive, and helpful towards others. Well thats exactly why its because Islamists see this as a weakness because basically
you can do whatever you want in Sweden and get away with it.
And this thing that is constantly said about how Islam is for peace which is constantly told to us the infedels is the most world-wide spread of this century. The only people who swallow this are ignorant westerners who have never read the Koran. People who stick up for something in which they know nothing about. The koran is a book of war and hate, nothing else. People like this man keep telling us that it stands for peace and people are stupid enough to swall it because its easier beleiving then reading. People like this man keep telling us how peaceful Islam is with nothing to back it up. Meanwhile thousands of examples of violence can back up the fact that it is a religion of anti-peace and nothing more
-''welcomed you with open arms''--
With respect to a country that I otherwise admire, that indicates a monumental level of naivety.
Apparently 1/5 of Sweden's population is of immigrant origin. I am a non-swede but Sweden is a country I would love to live in. But do you never consider that you are en-route to loosing what makes you Swedish
In the British case, for Pakistani immigrants, British salary levels are around 18 to 20% higher in Britain than in Pakistan. Thus we have around 21/2 million Pakistani immigrants living in Britain. Most Britons find their presence disruptive to our way of life, and experience growing hostility towards them as a culture that is at odds with the British culture..
The majority of Third World immigrants are only here for economic reasons and show little sentiment towards the people or culture of the hosting nation.Their own muslim culture is perfectly satisfying for their own needs. So really why should anyone expect them to adopt an alien western culture.
I fear Sweden faces disaster on account of her own GOOD INTENTIONS.
We have a saying in Britain that ''the road to hell is paved with good intentions''
The problem in Europe, as I see it is quite simple; Islamaphobia is not the problem. The problem is dhimmiphobia by the Moslem immigrants to europe. They will take whatever they can, cry islamicphobia at every opportunity, even though they are among the most hateful people on earth. They are at war against Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Druse and many others.
The religion of Islam has nothing to do with peace, as it has become more apparent. It is areligion born out of conquest with the mass murder of civilians in what is today Arabia. The ideas of conquest continues to this day. western journalists are unable to report the truth, because they are fearful if they do.
When a Moslem makes a malicious and untruthful allegation, eagerly accepted by governments and the media as fact, you can rest assured, their intentions towards their enemy is exactly the same.
Look at Sudan, Arab Moslems have murdered and expelled millions of black Christians, their next target being black Moslems. Yet, they call everyone else racist. How ridiculous. Governments are pouring billions of dollars into various moslem factions. Why? Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf states have more money than they know what to do with. Instead of channeling all this money into a campaign of hate against the west, this money should be given with technical expertise towards their ownn poor. But that of course, is not an Islamic value. Conquest is, instead. Why don't the Islamic clerics mark those they suspect at mosques of accepting terror values report them to the police? Answer is they will not go against a fellow Moslem to aid a Christian, Jew etc, those thay call non believers.
what an awful religion it was, it is and will continue to be.
At least some in europe are now waking up to the threat posed against western values.
Q. How do You cut off a M*****'s water supply?
A. Close the Toilet Seat Lid.
LOL
The politicians have jacked this country six ways from Sunday, Gee Thanks!
Religion of Peace my A__
Know Muslims, No Peace : (
No Muslims, Know Peace : )
Just Sayin'...