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Swedish Environment Minister Andreas Carlgren has announced that he wants to remove the municipal vetoes against wind power farms that are currently in place.
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More wind power, less imports of oil from unstable and dangerous regimes.
When you consider the fact that you need to have other power station types running on inneficient standby to take over when wind drops (from minute to minute ) ie means that any benefit from wind is lost.
You would have to cover the whole of Sweden in wind farms to meet demand, and even then need back up for when wind stops eof sweden
Personally I'd like to see a study which breaks down the total energy consumed in producting a single wind turbine against how long it would take that wind turbine to generate back the energy consumed in its manufacturing...
On the note of manufacturing I mean not just physical construction I mean everything - including processing of raw materials.
Regarding Rey's post, note that Denmark is a small country and they manage to get quite a significant portion of their electricity needs from wind. The bigger the country is, the easier it gets because the wind is always blowing somewhere (and in some places it's almost always blowing).
When you hear comments like, equivalent to the output of two nuclear power plants like we heard about the big farm up north, you have to remember this is maximum output where the wind is actually blowing. Wind energy is a green wetdream, but like all wetdreams it pales in waking reality. Too bad the green politicians who are in charge are asleep.
A cute method is to use surplus or cheap power, whenever available, to pump water uphill and run it down hill through a turbine when needed.
Since Sweden has hydroelectric schemes buffering out intermittent energy sources is very achievable.
I would rather see wind generators being built than sending soldiers to unstable countries to protect oil interests.
Keep warm and go nuclear.
Given that Denmark (not that different from Sweden in terms of weather) is one of the biggest producers and users of wind turbines, I imagine they have given that some thought.
- very high initial costs
- disfigurement of the landscape
- the magnetic field produced by the turbines can cause health problems.
If the argument was about hydro very different as this is very green and very reliable.
In the end we can all argue as much as wel like but it will be nuclear as population growing / consumption increasing and even the greenest leftie does not want the lights to go out when the wind stops
In other countries wind power generation has increased reliance on imported gas. During 2010 the owners of gas-fired power stations in Spain were paid 1,008 million euros to compensate for the time they were kept idle.
Spain has built them concurrently with wind farms to provide electricity when there is no wind.
The installed capacity of CCGT (gas) in Spain was 2,756 MW in 2002; 12,514 MW in 2005, and 25,000 MW in 2010. This is the part of its green energy policy that the Spanish government doesn't crow about. 98% of Spanish gas is imported.
The Danish wind build is only manageable because Denmark is effectively a very small part of the German system and also has very large interconnectors with Sweden and Norway. The amount they use domestically is less impressive and the problems caused are revealed by the recent linking of wind generation tariffs to the spot market, this means that when the wind blows strongly the turbines shut down!
See the CEPOS report, 'Wind Energy, The Case of Denmark', September 2009, for details of the cost to the economy of the Danish wind experiment.
i read a few of your comments and while being v funny and witty at times, do not give alternative solutions.
if we want to see more catastrophies like the recent bp one, then we should change nothing.
oil is old technology and for the most part, its spent. (thats why theyre continously having to dig deeper and deeper where its harder to access, maintain, etc.)
nuclear is as nuclear does, it creates toxic waste that we dont know how to dispose of or what risk it could pose in the future.
while wind power isnt the only solution, i think its very beneficial, in the proper location, location is paramount, wind turbines shouldnt be considered for places with insuffient wind movement, but there are places like that here in sweden.