Published: 10 Feb 11 12:48 CET | Print version
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Sweden's Equality Ombudsman (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen, DO) has filed a lawsuit against parcel delivery company United Parcel Service (UPS) after the company dismissed a Muslim driver who refused to shave his beard.
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A uniform you can take off at the days ends
Companies cannot just invent rules for employees that affect their private or even religious lives. Who cares if a van driver has beard.
If UPS win a sensible response would be to boycott UPS - set up a rule that deliveries can only be made by drivers with beards - stick on beards would be available for those who refused to grow one or were unable to grow one.
We need UPS Marines!
Any employee will know that. It is in there work guidelines. In Ireland it is in there application for a job guidelines.
It is not about Muslims, it is about personnel freedom and companies controlling employee's lives.
Whether a driver has a beard or is clean shaven makes absolutely no difference to the performance of his job - what he company buys from you.
Are the posters suggesting that if company demanded that employees had beards this would be OK too ?
It's not about Muslims but it's also not about about personnel freedom and companies controlling employee's lives. It's about companies having the right to dictate company policy to their employees and expect it to be followed.
If UPS had singled out this Muslim while allowing Christians to go bearded, it would be another story, but that didn't happen. The guy is just a bum wanting something without having to work for it.
does anybody know, please let me know if any non muslims complained to DO because of their religion.
"i never saw a buddist ,christian, hindu, sikh complaining to DO."
That's because they're not complainers, NOT becaues they aren't treated the same.
Yes, there are Swedish companies here that treat immigrants badly becaues they're immigrants, not because of their religion. But a big international company like UPS doesn't do that.
In the winter I grow a beard as it provides a bit of protection from cold winds. As long as a beard is trimmed and smart there is no reason to remove it. Just some stupid American Company showing a prejudice against beards.
The BBC had a no beards rule for news readers about 50 years ago. They also had to wear a morning suit and a bow tie.
UPS is still in that era. They are the worst courier company in the world. I hope that they get sued over and over again until they go bust
of course he had a choice to choose between job and religion, which is important , job or beard(religion).
now a days swedish universities and schools bend to the obligation to suspend classes on friday and build prayer room to muslims.
Constitution is also a rule (state's rule). what if Muslims(for example) sued claiming they are muslims and want to practice Sharia law not the law provided by Swedish constituency?
It would be irony if this guy walks out with 200,000SEK from court. This would set a bad example.
i am wondering what kind of jobs are suitable for muslims in sweden?
does anybody have some idea.
So sorry beard-man. Guess yoú'll have to find a job better suited for you. :/
Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if a company told female employees they had to wear make-up as per company policy?
i am wondering what kind of job you are doing in sweden.
there is a better place for you.
go to somalia or border of pakistan and afghanistan and read quran.
It is POLICY . UPS has this policy to make everyone look tidy and alike.
Dont want to shave it? Find a job elsewhere !
These muslims hide behind religion in an attempt to get their way.
Whether he wins the lawsuit or not, I applaud this guy for standing to his religious values compared to some kronors he will earn in this world.
a)This is for Max hamburguer:
I don't want to have any bearded guy (whatever his religion) preparing/delivering my hamburguers!!
b) I have never seen Swedish soldiers with long hair. Does somebody tells them to have it short or they take the option by themselves? If the first case, they can make more than 192,000 Kronor easily.
The Low-Life Scammer has no rights here, regardless of their religion, UPS has strict hiring policies on that matter.
The case will be thrown out. He won't see 1 :-
this is kind of muslim symbol's this is religion
Once again you let your hatred of the West (especially North America) and your love for Islam cloud your better judgement. How many Sikhs have sued for discrimination here in Sweden? With Muslims, it's a weekly occurrance.
A company has the right to have dress codes and appearance codes as well. It hurts the company image when one of their drivers shows up looking like a homeless person at the client's door. It's time that Sweden stood up and sent a strong message to frivilous lawsuits such as this.
UPS has a rather well established and non discriminatory policy of not allowing their workers who interface with the public to have beards -- UPS wants their workers to provide a professional, neat, and clean shaven appearance. It would different if say UPS allowed other to have beards, but only enforced a no beard policy arbitrarily on this man because he was a Muslim. That's about the only situation where I can see this guy having any sort of case.
If an employer tells you when you apply for a job that you have to present yourself "this way" and then lists the criteria you have a simple choice -- either agree or disagree to the conditions. When I worked for UPS I was not allowed to grow a beard. I was also not allowed to wear flip flops, non uniform clothing, openly visible or excessive jewelry (even of a religious nature), or anything of that type of nature. If having a beard is as important to this man as he claims it is then you find an employer that will allow to have a beard. It's that simple ...
It has nothing to do with discriminating against religion ... on the contrary I think most employers tend to foster a dress code that is religion neutral in respect to their potential clientele. If I worked for Disney I couldn't have a giant tattoo of Jesus on the cross visible on my arm ... they would require me to cover it up while on the clock. I also couldn't wear a yarmulke if I were employed as a police officer -- even though I might consider it a part of my religious conviction.
I gotta side with the worker (who happens to be muslim) here. A company should be expected to 'reasonably accommodate' its workers religious leanings.
There. I said it.
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it is the way of muslim brotherhood that works or compells other people not to go against islamic doctrine.
H e would only cause you head aches with all the demands regarding his religion your better off hiring a Swede.
and thats probably why there so much unemployment among Muslim arabs..
they can't do this they can't do that.. i can't shave my beard because of my religion what a sad person .... i would'nt even waste a second of my time with such morons.
"Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if a company told female employees they had to wear make-up as per company policy?"
Airlines define it in a contract for female flight attendants. And? Companies also decide whether you should wash yourself once in a while. They could also decide what you wear, what apparel you are allowed to have in the wholes on your face and what tattoos are acceptable on your forehead. Why is beard different?
No matter what business you are in, it is all about image.
They have every right to set a policy as to how they wish to portray their delivery men/woman.
Granted he should have been reminded on day one of training that there is a no facial hair policy in effect and
not wait until the day he is about to begin his journey as a UPS delivery man.
Certainly it does not matter if a person delivers my packages with or without a beard, but once again image is the key
and I personally prefer the image UPS is trying to aquire for their company world wide.
It's problems. The empoyer wants to convey a message in the delivery persons appearance. Clean, tidy, alike. They have every right to enforce this policy!
If they accomodate him - whats to stop anyone from having long beards or long hair. If his religion is more important than his job, quit. Or move back to a culture that accepts it.
Generally I agree with you, though I personally prefer clean shaven. However, the report does state"... the man was informed that UPS had a uniform policy under which drivers were not allowed to have beards...". He did not immediately withdraw from the training and it would not be unreasonable to assume that UPS trainers permitted this in anticipation that he had been informed and would remove his beard upon finishing his training.
In other words, the company tried to accommodate his need up to the point of his completion of training.
Lucky he wasn't from the Bonda Poraja tribe/religion of Orissa, they go around naked - even in the main towns! But I guess UPS don't recruit them either.
I suppose I could claim discrimination as I once went to a golf club with my archery equipment and was thrown out.....!?!
150,000 kronor plus interest, you said?
And it's not just muslims. If you're asking for special treatment, you are a jerk and deserve nothing.
Anyway I plan to open a Multi Billions company and would ask the white guys to grow a beard and ask the bloodies to wear Burqa :)
Note: Both law are not mentioned in the Holy Quran to grow a beard or wear Burqa. But this is Sunna , Jesus peace be upon him had also beard and UPS would not hire him :)
What a silly opinion this man have... so.. this UPS company can invent their own rule.. fine.. then the Swedish also can invent their own rule on how company doing business here should behave.. and if UPS don´t like it.. don´t do business here!
I don't understand what Jesus having beard has to do with anything? It's a complete non sequitur ... That's like arguing one should be able to deliver packaged naked, because dogs don't naturally wear clothes.
To determine religious discrimination in this man's case one would have to establish that he was being targeted specifically because he is a Muslim, that the rules were being arbitrarily being applied towards him (and not to others), and that he was never made aware of the conditions of his employment.
Firstly, the beard requirements at UPS are uniformly applied to all persons regardless of religious affiliation -- it is a condition of permanent employment all employee must agree to. If you choose not to abide by the dress and grooming standards then you will not be employed in a capacity that interacts with the public. Moreover, the is no indication whatsoever that persons of other religions or in other situations are allowed to work for UPS with beards. Therefore, there is no religious discrimination ... they are not discriminating against Islam (even this man avows that it is not a universal dogma), but are directing their conditions upon a grooming standard.
He has a simple choice ... conform or find employment elsewhere. It's not really an existential dilemma.
Employers are most definitely allowed to set conditions of employment on grooming and appearance standards -- it has nothing to do with religious discrimination. Suggesting otherwise it patently contrary to common sense. Where does it end?
Jesus already had a job. Being the Son of God and the Messiah took up too much of his time to be a post-delivery, donkey driver.
UPS could compromise, by allowing their employees the option to wear neatly trimmed beards in Sweden!
BTW, have any of the posters on here actually lived in Sweden? hehehe Seems the Swedish spirit is lost a little in these opinion sections. hehehe
@Boyfriend: What you are talking is totally absurd. Just another loose talker.
It was about time such famous company to began again the discussion about how much a company can control someone´s appearance using the uniform code.
I think the most famous case - in about 50 years - dealt with flight attendants. Not only they were forced to keep in shape and obey a weight code - now, partly explained that this is due to safety - but in old times they were also supposed to look beautiful, excluding women judged "in bad appearance".
There was also no such "weight-height" back then, nowadays at least that is considered.
Imagine if the uniform code of the past had still be in use:
http://www.femininityinflight.com/book.html
It does not justify to say that a uniform code is right just because is in the company for a long time. A good and successful company must, first of all, being able to adjust their rules - without damaging itself - in this globalized world, even if some citizens wished the old patterns were obeyed.
We should all think about that when complaining the market searches for "in shape" employees, when someone is fired for having a child - both women and male´s case or when you shave your hair to support a relative that is suffering from cancer:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/929155--waitress-fired-after-cancer-head-shave
Thank you. No trolls, no prejudice. Open to knowledge and open minded discussions.
What if Sweden bans use of the English language between 8-24 .. would you comply or would you not live here?
I think the basic premise of the religion is that Jesus has more effective and efficient ways of delivering your needs than UPS, as good as they are.
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"The rule has no legitimate purpose and is not appropriate and necessary," stated the Ombudsman. It is to be hoped we here in Sweden do not apply that philosophy to every rule we encounter.
"No one asked if he was prepared to shave his beard". Well, they wouldn't need to would they, since the man had been told about the uniform policy and continued thereafter with his training thereby accepting the conditions of his training/employment. His actions implied consent to the rule of which he had been informed!! He took no action when he was informed during training. Had he, at that stage,protested his 'religious views', I would be more inclined to support his argument.That he did not do so was, in action not simply words, his consent to the uniform rule.
That no-one commented to him about shaving his beard during training (after he was informed of the uniform code) is a sign of their tolerance, not the opposite!
Now they are being 'sued' for being tolerant!
catch22!!!
I bet they do not force a no beard policy there
Right on, Rick! Problem solved. They can offer the guy a job in Saudi.
It just shows the Hypocrisy in way they behave. some posters have claimed that they have a worldwide no beards policy, which is just false.
I have a friend - British White Christian- who has never shaved, because he had a bad bout of chicken pox as a young teenager which left his face cratered and far too sensitive to shave.
If it was such a person who was treated in this manner, I bet all you good honest posters who are so in favour of UPS would have another point of view.
Your the bias in your posts just show you up for the racist SOB's you really are
In Ireland the constitution recognised the Established Churches
In 1949 that was The Roman Catholic, The Church of Ireland and the Jewish'
In the Bible, Old and New Testaments, we (men) are instructed NOT to shave our beards.
If a guy were to be forced to shave his beard, and claim he wore it because of religious beliefs, surely the employer would be infringing on an individual's constitutional rights.
Also in Ireland, an employer has to pay for a uniform, (it cannot be deducted from an employees salary). So if being clean shaven is part of the uniform, then the employer could be held liable for the cost of shaving, and shaving would have to take place in the work place.
Think of the cost. I am just waiting for someone to bring that to the courts.
What is all the fuss about beards. Go to any court and 99% of the criminals are clean shaven. Being bearded does not make you any less trustworthy.
BTW I have nothing against beards. My granny has one and it is quite fetching.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The Local's biggest racist calling others bigots. LOL. As much as you hate Western culture how can you still say that a company doesn't have the right to have appearance and dress standards? Perhaps you don't understand business but there's a little thing called "image" which ultimately has a direct impact on a company's bottom line. By your clouded logic an employee would be allowed to come to work naked and claim religious reason. It's absurd and an abuse. Either follow the company standard or find another job. And since when is Islam a race? Also, about your friend...I'm guessing that you would side against him because he is white and from the West. Stop letting your racism cloud your rational thought, Ricky.
Utter bullshit, if you don't like the rules or cannot abide by them then get out ! What this Muslim guy was saying is "rules exist for everyone else but me". He deliberately set out to create a confrontation and to claim victim status. I know because this happens all the time in the UK and France.
Similarly if you immigrate to someone elses country you are expected to abide by the rules of that country and not ask for special favours because of your background. I live in France and am English I do not ask for anything from the state and abide by the rules, pay my taxes and respect the customs of the people who have been kind enough to accept me here.
Perhaps if this Muslim chappie does not like living in your country he should absent himself from it.
Racism has nothing to do with religion! Nobody here is talking about the colour of his skin - or beard for that matter.
I stand by my posts - the man was told during his recruitment it was at that point that he had the right to claim 'religious discrimination' if he had the right at all. To have accepted the working rule condition and continued with his training was a statement, in fact and in deed, that he accepted such working conditions.
UPS - or any other company - had the right to be informed before they wasted money on training. Indeed, I believe there is a reasonable counter-claim which should be made by UPS for the training costs incurred for a 'prospective employee' who refused to accept the working conditions which had earlier been stated to him - and which he had,HAD,accepted..
It has nothing to do with race, religion or even beards!!! It has to do with acceptance or otherwise of a contract.
But on the other hand, he should be granted the permission for the beard. As to me it does not matter if the parcel is delivered by Muslim, Christian or Jew with a beard, as long as parcel is delivered safely.
He isn't stuck with this job if he doesn't like the working conditions just as UPS isn't stuck with him if he won't provide services as asked.
If he thinks this is "helping" Muslims in the workplace, on the contrary, he's making sure employers don't hire Muslims in the first place so they don't have to deal with this crap. Good work, fella.
I'm quite sure this policy is ammended in middle-eastern countries, due to the fact of the majority of that religion. However, Sweden is not a middle-eastern country, therefore, majority rules and the UPS standard gooming policy stays in effect.
Another way to look at this from the customers point of view...
You see all the recent events unfolding in recent news, religious person with beards carrying a med sized box dressed in popular delivery uniform. This is a perfect delivery method, I saw this in a movie, and it could turn into reality some day here in Sweden as in most recently, Stockholm.
Your a customer expecting packages, as most business in large populated cities do an a daily basis. A middle-eastern looking man in a beard comes into the building with a box. Most people that are willing to be honest, would agree that this would make them a little nervous and on guard.
I remember a few months after 911, I was waitng to board a plane, and in the waiting area was a middle-eastern man reading from a small book, chanting something in a/r/a/b/i/c. You bet I was Nervous. I felt more at ease when i noticed He didn't board My plane.
I, on the other hand, know that a company is an organization whose purpose is to generate a profit. As such, they can hire the people and establish the rules that they feel may best help them achieve said goal.
Religion has nothing to do with it. Seriously, what if I was a Rastafarian and wanted to smoke ganga all day while driving about town high as a kite?
If you want to grow a beard, grow it. Just don't work for UPS.
Right on. Or in other words, don't attempt to work for any company whose conditions of employment - having been clearly stated to you - require you to be - or do - something you do not wish.
And guess what folks. You think UPS shareholders pay the bill for the ombusdman's pleasure (assuming he wins the case, which is highly questionable) ? No.WE pay. All the customers of UPS pay.All the folks who buy goods from a shop which were delivered by UPS, pay.
Why don't we all just chip in and buy the guy some razor blades so he can shave?
Oh, I forgot - even though he had just stubble growth (his beard growth was very minimal we are told), he now has religious objections to shaving. Objections that did not manifest themselves during his training period. So what is he, 17 years old? Maybe he shouldn't be driving a delivery truck anyway.
US Citizen: "Any company has the right to apply and enforce a uniform dress code, which can include restrictions about personal grooming. This is just another person who thinks he can get a free ride (and probably will!) from the so called Swedish "justice" system." I, too, am a U.S. citizen and somewhat anti-American.
Nemesis writes as a bullshit artist: "UPS has always had a policy of no chin hair since its inception. Any employee will know that. It is in there work guidelines. In Ireland it is in there application for a job guidelines ('Their' and 'there' are two differnet words.)" Nemesis commonly refers to an archenemy, from the Greek goddess Nemesis. Νέμεσις was the Greek goddess of retributive justice. The Greeks personified vengeful fate as a remorseless goddess; the goddess of revenge. The Romans equated the Greek Nemesis with Invidia. Invidia refers to the sense of envy or jealousy, to looking at in a hostile manner and is associated with the evil eye." The extreme conformists among those commenting on this article would be at home in a dystopia like 1984 or "Brave New World".
Hybred (perhaps he can't spell 'hybrid'): "The guy is just a whiner. He should just take it like a man and either shave or find another job." Is Hybred a bit creepy? Ravioli's views are wacky.
That'll teach 'em. Next Muslim won't even be considered for employment.
Those days will be coming to a grinding halt, as the world is, now more than ever, getting wise to their game.
You claim UPS is just some "stupid American company showing prejudice against beards".
Would you say that the Swedish police are just some stupid Swedish organization showing the same prejudice, or how about the Swedish army?
I'm guessing you would be very supportive of a lawsuit against Playboy by a women that was not allowed to be a center-fold model in her niquab. But then again who could blame you, it is some stupid American company showing its prejudices.
I will spell it out for you again: firstly, there is nothing racist in criticising muslims, simply because race and religious following are two absolutely different things. secondly, a person doesn't choose his race (or sex, or height etc) he belongs to. he does, however, choose his religion. he can always change it, water it down or stop believing in god altogether. even if religion prescribes death for apostasy (hint hint).
muslim culture needs to be discussed, criticised, ridiculed and opposed if necessary, as it is the main source of problem with their integration, over-representation in crime statistics, terrorism etc. religious views and ethnic practices should not be protected from scrutiny. read Nicolai Sennels for a good psychological analysis of the muslim "victim mentality".
and finally, rules of a private company are still rules. if you don't like it, don't get employed there. everyone except muslims and lefties understands that. perhaps because they live in a real world, not some imaginary concept.