A year after claims about an exodus of Jews from Malmö made global headlines, many Jewish residents still don't feel safe in southern Sweden, The Local's Karen Holst discovers.
The past couple of years have been turbulent for Malmö's Jewish community. A spike in anti-Semitic attacks in 2009 prompted a number of Jews to leave the city altogether, concluding they would never feel accepted there.
Controversial comments by the town's long-serving Social Democratic mayor Ilmar
Reepalu also put Malmö in the spotlight, drawing criticism from within his own party, as well as from influential Jewish organisations aboard.
And in December 2010, the US-based Simon
Wiesenthal Center issued a warning urging Jews to exercise "extreme caution" when traveling in southern Sweden.
While current statistics show a significant decline in anti-Semitic attacks in 2010 when compared to 2009, the nearly 3,000-member Jewish community in
Skåne continues to shrink.
“People wonder if there will even be a Jewish community here in 10 years,” Fredrik Sieradzki, spokesperson for the Jewish Community of Malmö (Judiska Församlingen i Malmö), tells The Local.
Despite the decrease in reported attacks, as well as community efforts to ease racist rancor, many of south Sweden’s Jewish residents continue to feel dangerously threatened.
According to Sieradzki, many young Jewish families are relocating because they feel Skåne is not a safe area to raise their children. Coupled with an aging baby-boomer generation, there are few willing or present to take vacated leadership positions within many of the area's Jewish organisations.
“Some of us feel there is no hope and we are losing people because of anti-Semitism,” he adds.
Police reports show the number of anti-Semitic incidents nearly doubled in 2009 but have declined in 2010 by more than half.
“We believe the number of attacks increased in 2009 due to the Davies Cup and two big demonstrations against Israel. Now the statistics show hate-crime against Jews going down dramatically in 2010,” explains Susanne Gosenius, a hate crime coordinator for Skåne police.
Sieradzki argues, however, that the numbers may not reflect reality as many Jewish residents choose not to report every incident, such as intimidating slurs and other verbal attacks.
“Maybe the numbers are lower or maybe not. It doesn’t matter because the feeling is the same – many of us cannot and do not feel at home here,” says Sieradzki.
He points out that the severity of attacks is also intensifying.
Last October a group of about 20 teenagers attacked the Jewish community’s residential education centre during a youth retreat.
“The first night they shouted vicious, nasty slurs. The next night it escalated and they broke down the fence and were banging on windows and doors,” Sieradzki explains.
“It was quite frightening.”
Sieradzki, who applauded the nearby municipality of Vellinge for its swift response to the incident, also points out that the teenagers in the attacking group were not Muslim as many are quick to assume.
“These boys were not Arabs. They were all Swedish. And I assure you the Jewish people are not attacking anybody.”
Despite the year’s decline in reported attacks, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the largest international organization for Jewish human rights, nevertheless went ahead with its decision to issue a travel warning for Jews visiting southern Sweden.
The move put Skåne to the same plane as countries that have experienced heinous, even fatal attacks and bombings on Jewish people, such as Turkey, Greece and Belgium.
“We made a very serious statement by putting Malmö on our advisory list,” Rabbi Abraham Cooper, Associate Dean of the Center, tells The Local.
“It’s a serious move and we hope to take serious measures to rectify it.”
But the warning rankled some members of Malmö's Jewish community, who claim they weren't informed about the move ahead of time, and surprised local authorities as statistics showed that attacks were on the decline.
“I can understand that Jewish people feel threatened in Malmö,” hate crimes specialist Gosenius explains.
“We have a huge population from the Middle East, West Bank and Gaza and most (Jewish) victims describe their perpetrators as young Muslim men.
“But I’m not sure the warning for Malmö fits. It’s a very drastic act.”
Sieradzki has mixed emotions about the Wiesenthal Center's "surprise" advisory.
While he understands the Center’s point, he argues the move may have been too severe and feels the Jewish leaders in Skåne could have helped moderate the message had they known about it.
“They should have talked to us first,” argues Sieradzki.
“We are trying to create an atmosphere in Malmö where we co-exist and I’m not sure that this travel warning is good.”
Rabbi Cooper rejects the idea that the Center's warning came as a surprise, pointing to a meeting in Stockholm prior to the advisory where prominent members of south Sweden’s Jewish community were in attendance.
“The analysis comes from the ground up,” says Cooper.
“Experiences from Jewish members in Malmö and a previous colleague there led to what we did.”
He stated that families should be able to go to any house of worship, whether it’s Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays, without fear of intimidation, violence or something worse.
“People of faith, or no faith, should be able to walk on the street and feel equally protected. There is a climate of intimidation in Malmö and we need to take steps to address it,” says Cooper.
In response to 2009’s hike in attacks, Malmö city officials created the Dialogue Forum to ease hostilities between Jews, Muslims, the Roma, and other victimized minorities.
As the Forum's one-year anniversary approaches, the Jewish community believes the dialogue has had little effect.
“It’s sad we have to have a group, and we do hope something good comes of it but there hasn’t been anything yet,” says Sieradzki, adding that the 6,000-member Islamic Centre, of their own initiative, recently invited members of the Jewish community to their mosque.
Mayor Reepalu, who was also singled out by the Wiesenthal Center last year for comments about the city's Jewish community in which he "blamed the situation on the Jews themselves as the community did not 'distance itself from Israel,'" according to the Center.
While Reepalu refused to be interviewed for this article, he has undertaken efforts in the last year to make amends and further understand the hostilities Jewish people encounter in Malmö through meetings with Sieradzki and other Jewish community leaders.
Since then the 15-year mayor has invited members from the Simon Wiesenthal Center to Malmö, although an exact date for the visit has not yet been set.
“I can confirm we are coming to Sweden and we are coming next month,” says Rabbi Cooper.
While the agenda for the meeting is still being hammered out, the focus will likely be on improving the situation in southern Sweden.
The meeting will be also accompanied by a seminar on anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
"It’s good that something is happening," says Sieradzki.
"There are Jews is Malmö. We live here, we are here to stay and we won’t gain anything by attacking each other."
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The anti-semitism in Malmö is blatant. They don't hide it anymore.
What people need to ask is this.
Once they are finished with the jews, which of us is next?
One of us will be, then another group, then another, then another.
A typical cowardly Swedish response, one that treats the aggressors as equal victims, and the real victims as equal aggressors.
The Jewish community doesn't need dialogue with the muslims of Malmoe, it needs protection from them.
The muslims meanwhile need educating.
That was seventy years ago, and look at how much the situation in Malmo has changed in that time. My grandfather never visited Malmo in the twenty years before he passed away in 2009 ... he ended up retiring here in San Diego to be close to my mother and uncle (his children). Malmo has changed from a city that would sacrifice their own safety to save the life of one Jew who wasn't even one their own to a city where Jews are constantly under attack and intimidated on the open city streets. The last time I was in Malmo was 2008, and I could hardly believe how bad it was ... unbelievably blatant acts of hatred and aggression are public and completely commonplace. I, for one, am glad my grandfather never had to see what happened to the city he loved so much.
For you Swedes keep this in mind ... the Jews have historically acted as the canaries in the mine for discrimination and hatred. Who will these agitators and bigots come after when the Jews are gone? It might just be you ...
This reinforces what previous commenters have written.
Frankly, if I were a Jew, and especially a Swedish Jew, I'd leave EUrabia for Israel or Canada immediately.
So: CBS says she suffered "a brutal and sustained sexual assault" by a "mob of more than 200 people whipped into frenzy." The network said Logan was surrounded, assaulted and beaten before a group of women.
I guess the Egypitian men were showing their women what would happen to them if they don't keep in their proper place as Muslim women should.
The other side: A person familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal that the ordeal, which lasted roughly 20- to 30-minutes, "was not a rape."
About that news: A CBS News spokesman declined to comment.
The week before, she and her crew were taken into police custody, accused of being spies, and held in stress positions for several days as part of a government-sponsored campaign of intimidation against foreign journalists.
So you can't trust either side.
Now Sweden has said it's safe to travel to Egypt once more. Really? Was that because of pressure from the travel industry which was losing money?
The mayor, under intense criticism, told us he was misquoted. The reporting newspaper published the tapes and it turned out he was not misquoted at all.
What we have here is a mayor who made racist comments that incited a section of his community to cause to attack another section of his community, and then lied about it after to try and cover it up.
Incredibly he remains the mayor, Malmö must be the most forgiving electorate ever. Even more incredibly, he remains a member of the Social Democrat party. Even the SD fire their racist members who go too far.
What is defined as "sexual assult"
Don't be an asshat. Sexual assualt covers a wide range of assaults, from inappropriate touching to full on rape. As for CBS' not commenting, why would they? CBS didn't get assaulted, Logan did.
WHAT? What Islamophobia??? Phobia is an unsubstantiated fear of something. Here there is a hell of a substance to the fear! And what is this kissing of the behind of the attackers? It is like making a seminar on "Naziphobia" in order to assist the Jews to get the Nazis to talk to them.
I just do not BELIEVE that the muslims dare to even mention some sort of racism from the side of Swedes! It is beyond my understanding, how in the name of God, do they have the nerve to sit and moan for years about their endeless "suffering" from the Swedish injustice... I mean, do they do it before they beat up some 96 y/o rabbi and his granddaughters, or after?
They cannot groan on these forums immediately after, since the blood can actually make the keyboard quite sticky, eh?
Oh, I am sorry. These 94% who actually hate Jews to the core of their beings, cannot throw an embarrassing shadow on the rest of this open minded community, can they now?
Why cant anyone see through their propaganda and lies?
Jewish people are supposed to be a very small minority, who without generalising are protected and are singled out for being a persecuted ethnic group in society. Do people not realise that Muslims are also a small section of the population? and that by feeding the hatred that the USA and Israel have created, they will only provoke desperate muslim people who have no option but to resort to violence to resist the gross injustices that they are exposed to, not only in their supposed homelands, but in the supposedly 'DEMOCRATIC, EGALITARIAN, and LIBERTY LOVING' Western World???
Know Islam... NO Peace.
NO Islam... Know Peace.
Re; Malmo, It's time for the UN tanks to block the out-going and in-coming roads to the city, round 'em all up and load them on the next plane back to where they came from, or the planet Mars.
It's has a really Big Desert, and I'm quite sure that they will be quite happy living among themselves without having anyone to kill or rape.
Just Sayin' : )
I agree with you. I was saying that it was no more rape than what Assange did. It was sexual assult. Believe me, if I was surrounded by 200 crazed people, that would be trumatic enough to do me in.
My point was that the media makes things worse by blowing them out of proportion and not telling the entire truth. The truth was horrible enough without embellishing it.
@ Lukestar1991
Yes, Muslims are a small portion of the worlds population. But they're a portion that believes in hatred of all others and murdering all those who think differently. They even murder their on different sects.
You can say anything you like about this being propaganda and lies but the facts of things happening in the world show that it's not. You don't see Jewish suicide bombers blowing up Muslims or their own people either.
Lukestar1991, YOU'RE using propaganda to try to provoke people. I guess you are one of the cowardly Muslims who doesn't have the nerve to strap a bomb to your chest. You just want to post anonymous comments and then you feel like you're a man.
You must not have a wife or children you can treat like dogs in the guise of practicing your religion. You are such a poor pitiful fool. I feel sorry for you and your kind, not all Muslims, just those impotent ones like you who need to try to prove they are men. You are so sad......
Protected from whom? Aaaa... protected from Nazis and Muslims (different unifrom being the only diff). And the point of the article is that nobody can protect them in Malmö... On the other hand, ironically, Lukestar here demands protection for poor muslims.
Protection from whom? Who attacks the miserable and poor muslims in Sweden?
Muslims are a superpredator. The only thing endangering superpredators is when they thin the population of the prey too much, they start starving. Starvation started with the entrance of SD and alike them into european parliaments and will continue... whereas superpredators will have to move to other forests, or back to their already barren lands.
Thanks God that swedes as a society are Herbivores, but huge ones, so hopefully the herd will start reacting to the nasty predators in it's midst.
So if they continue this, people will get to where they don't believe the things that really happen. CBS is "Crying wolf" when they should be crying for justice. The woman was apparently beaten and assulted by a croud of 200 people. I'm sure it was tramatic, frightening, horrible, to have that done to her.
CBS doesn't need to use statements like "Brutal and sustained sexual asault". You notice they DIDN'T say exactly what happened, they used that phrase, knowing what people would surmize. And it worked. Everyone is thinking she was gang-raped for hours by 200 men. The assult lasted 20-30 minutes.
There's enough truth out there about the things that happen in these situations without trying to tell half truths to get people riled up. It's time for more honesty in reporting. But that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
Malmo is a failure.local leftie government wanted to be accomodating to the primarily muslim immigration, now they got normal residents (including jews) fleeing while muslims turn into majority and rebuild the hellholes they came from, but this time in Malmo. culture doesn't change overnight, and with muslims it doesn't change at all if it is not opposed.
there is a reason why all traditionally muslim countries are underdeveloped in every sense. this reason is lack of self-criticism, including criticism of their religious ideology. the only muslim country that progressed was Turkey (RIP now), and only because Kemal Ataturk was a secularist, who weeded out islam from public life and politics.
now the interesting question is WHY leftie governments in the west are importing muslims in such quantities even when they clearly fail to integrate. I believe the answer to this question is relatively simple. indigenous proletariat is disappearing fast (thanks to capitalism). lefties are finding it more difficult to find someone to re-elect them. what could be better than hundreds of thousands of gullible uneducated people who are easy to manipulate? praise their exclusiveness, promise them a new mosque and they will vote for you.
uncontrolled muslim immigration and procreation is in the interest of left parties, bureaucracy and people working for the welfare sector, simply because non-integrating immigrants will always depend on welfare. one more lever to manipulate them to vote for you.
Europe, wake up before it's too late and your contries turned into Pakistans and Moroccos.
J A assault sounds like a joke compared with this!
I completely agree.
Its time to send the muslim hordes back to Africa and the middleeast. Violent aggresive muslims are destroying the west from within.
Start by sending the criminals back on a plane, not for a cosy vacation, but for good.
You say:
"Jewish people are supposed to be a very small minority, who without generalising are protected and are singled out for being a persecuted ethnic group in society. Do people not realise that Muslims are also a small section of the population?"
I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, for you either don't know or purposely mislead. There are about 15 million Jews in the world, a little over 6 million in Israel and the rest dispersed around the world. There are over 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS in the world (or approximately 25% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION of about 7 billion) and procreating fast with an average annual growth rate of 1.5% for Muslims, compared with 0.7% for non-Muslims.
In Sweden Jews are also minority, even when compared to Muslims.
@UScitizen
I have read and seen (TV) several reports about what happened to Lara Logan in Egypt and it goes that:
"In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers."
"A network source told The Post that her attackers were screaming, 'Jew! Jew!' during the assault."
"Most network higher-ups didn't even know how brutal the sexual assault was until a few minutes before the statement went out."
"There will be no further comment from CBS News and correspondent Logan and her family respectfully request privacy at this time."
Even in the USA sustained sexual assault does not mean groping, it means rape and in this case gang rape.
The Muslim show of aggretion towards the Jews in not a good sign. The theory is that Muslims, once in Sweden were going to take on Swedish traditions and morals, after all they were not under the thumb as they were in their pior countries. I don't hear that happening... maybe it will after some time.
Muslims = 9 Nobel Prizes - 1.5 BILLION worldwide
You tell me who you'd rather have in your country?
@ lukestar you are an ignorant fool. Read before posting. Muslims are not an oppressed "minority" by any means. Especially compared to the Jews.
Most people associate sexual assault with rape, which it can be and probably was in this case. Sometimes the gory details are not necessary in reporting. Her privacy in regards to this matter are more important, especially when the crime will most likely go unpunished.
As for getting the whole story or at least getting a better perspective of the truth in journalism, watch as many different news programs as possible. I find it interesting to hear the same story sound so completely different after seeing it on SVT, SkyNews, BBC, CNN, AlJazeera (EN) and conservative talk radio streamed from the US. The truth is in there, but journalists are no different from the rest of us. Their personal views, bias their reporting. As the viewing public it is our responsibility to be skeptical.
You forgot to mention what kind of Nobel Prizes we are talking about here. Whereas Jews are shovelling Nobel prizes in economy, literature, physics and math, muslims have some peace Nobel Prizes (or a prize for stopping killing people - yippi yey! ) and some literature prizes.
What is interesting all muslims who got literature Nobel prizes are hunted down by their own governments and/or were sitting in prison as dissidents.
I hope as many Jews can leave your part of the world as possible. Why should their abilities and talents be wasted on undeserving people.
As for Lara Logan.... sexual attacks include touching her anywhere on her body without permission. I wonder how the people, especially males would enjoy being fondled and attacked by women they found repulsive. The Egyptians who attacked her made her a target because of her gender. That's the basic criterion for a sexual attack. The attackers chronic, infantile inability to control theirsexual impulses.
this is not opin ion, nor is it propasganda. it is fact. just recently, a british group of pakistani heritage, were found guilty.
sadly, sweden is now facing the spread of dhimnmiphobia and hatred of western ideals. the background of so called judeo christian values is actually based on the scriptures which you can find in the bible. unfortunately, the left do all they can to undermine civiliseed society. this is why they back the moslems. you know how stupid the left are, is when moslems will gain the upper hand and then they will offer their gratitude to those on the left. the choice they offer is convert to islam or you will be hacked to death.
i have mentioned before on this site. if you really need to know the truth, check out these two sites. debkafile and memri. forget what the mullahs in sweden or anywhere else in europe tell you, their aims and ambitions are different. in anycase, a moslem is allowed and encouraged to lie when defending islam
sooner or later the truth out. i honestly believe the battles of vienna and poitiers against mislem aggression will be repeated, mark my words.
My wife and I are contemplating a visit to Denmark to see some friends. We're not Jewish but our Danish friends have told us if we visit Sweden to avoid Malmo altogether. We realize its just one suburb to worry about, but why bother if its like this?
If the Jews leave Sweden I'd expect some of them at least to immigrate to Canada. They'd be quite welcome over here. We do have our own bigots for sure, but nothing like in Malmo.
Although, I did not understand what the hell you wrote there, but FYI - if you think that someone wants to get PAID for telling muslims what they think about them, you are on heavy drugs.
Now tell me... your one and a half billion is terrorized again by the 6 million Israeli Jews? You poor thingies... all of this suffering from the Israeli despots... How difficult it must be (understanding sigh)...
You tried to delete the entire country with 4 to 7 armies. You could not. You tried to terrorize it by killing citizens, you got owned and in the process showed the entire world what you and your philosophy is really about.. how PISSED OFF you must be.
Say. As we established you do not really care about Palestinians, who suffer much more at the hands of Lebanese, Jordanians and Egyptians than at the hand of Israelis. As you do not give a jack about Kurds either. Just say the truth.
You just really really hate them Jews, don't you? Muslims even joined Hitler in their time, right? It pains you, that the only normal and economically solid country in the Middle East is not muslim, right? It actually undermines all reasoning behind your so called religion, correct? It keeps perspective on the "impossibility" to establish a normal life there. Just admit it...
Haha, yes all 9 of the Muslims probably won the Nobel for telling other Muslims to stop killing each other and act like civilized people... Good point.
@ iraniboy
Another stereotypical response that blames a Zionist conspiracy for the long list of sad shortcomings of Muslim culture. One of those shortcomings: an inability to take responsibility for anything since of course your culture is "perfect", just like the koran.
Stop being so predictable.
It is UNTRUE that Muslims in Europe are discriminated against since it is a FACT that Muhammad's Quran is full of Hatemongering, Warmongering, Racist & Misogynist verses against all humans who do not believe as they do. 80% of current humanity whom they call Ummat al Kuffar/ Nation of Infidels.
Anyone reading this and is unsure, please Google 'alrassooli' and collect some of the $600,000 of challenges therein proving every adjective above.
Muslims are NOT allowed to INTEGRATE with Unbelievers because Muhammad and his Allah FORBID them in his Quran!
Read and get enlightened.
After the Jews, it is all of Sweden!
In Norway, the whole of their news media (varying degrees of leftist appeal) is still captivated by images of poor so called Palestinians and the glamour of the oil rich Arab world. Israel is still their whipping boy and their Jewish citizens now feel as "comfortable" as their co religionists in Malmoe. How shameless of them.
I believe the plucky Danes and Finns have thought it out correctly.
Check the two websites under Israelwatch "Sweden Israel and the Jews" and "Norway Israel and the Jews." It makes interesting and thoughtful reading .
Insofar as Iraniboy is concerned, ignore.....his comments are totally worthless and show no reality to life today, only his hatred of all western values.
Here's a concept the Jews haven't thought of...
Instead of being a 'victim', turn the tables on the insurgent attackers, co-ordinate a group effort of Jewish people and attack the muslims. They won't see it coming and will think twice and shiver with fear the next time they see a Jew walking down the street, They will run in the opisite direction in fear of getting the sh_t kicked out of them.
The time has come for the Jewish community to take a stand, no one else will do it for You. The time for tolarence is Over, as it is quite obvious the Swedish government does Not care about Your welfare. The old saying goes...
"If You want something done right, You will have to do it Yourself."
Either accept the way things are now, or take action!
Sweden will turn a blind eye.
Don't be victims for the 2nd time in European history.
Cheers!
is something changed in sweden the last years?
beni
israel
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One of Tunisia's last synagogues was burnt down last week and today it is reported that a Catholic priest has had his throat slit. Oh, don't you just love the followers of the Religion of Peace? They spread love and harmony wherever they go.
About the israeli palestinian dispute i believe that the only solution is two states living side by side in peace and giving back occuppied territories i think it is very big mistake we controll the people there i do believe the moderate people will prevale and the agrement will come ,both sides are tired from the wars.
the only solution is that was decided by resolution of Un =2 states living side by side in peace ,and more something about Britain ,my mother was refugee she was in Auschwiz the British soldiers took her with force with a ship with many refugee the ship named Exsodus to Germay.
Our family don't want to go to Europe any more Israel is our country we don't have no where to go ,all our families were murded there and we do not want to live there, we do want to live in Israel in peace with the Arabs I do agree we should give territories for a real peae and a creation of 2 states living peacefully together
Beni, nothing changed in Sweden. It is not the Swedes who harass the Jews, but the peaceful and loving members of Islam. This country allows these ungrateful minorities to come, in order to suppress the shame from when they turned ships with Jews back to Germany in 1938-39.
So these animals cannot do anything better than to attack religious Jews on the streets (like for example - finding a job. More than 70% of all muslim immigrants in Malmö are unemployed).
What is ironic is that they were accepted here, because they managed to prove to the gullible swedes that they were persecuted in their homeland and with that, they have the nerve to attack elderly and children, based on their ethnicity/religion.
@loudasthunder
You are naive if you think that swedes will not react if Jews unite and attack muslims. Look how they do not give a jack about hundreds of thousands of killed in Somalia and Darfur, but are REALLY concerned about every olive tree in the pales. terr. The reason is that europeans think that white Christians and Jews are better than muslims (or black christians in Africa). They treat muslims like a retarded child that has no obligations, whereas Jews "should know better than that". That is why Aftonbladet is quiet about beatings of Jews on the street, but would explode if Jews would create a gang that attacks muslims.
once i spoke with a friend not jewish from italy ,he told me they give asyl right to needed persons but the moment the asyles make crimes on the italian ground they send them back home
You are Spot-on, I keep forgeting that Sweden is a racist state, this hasn't changed since Hitler and Nazis, as Sweden made the bullits for Nazis and allowed the trains filled with jews to pass right through.
@ Dave N
Awesome, more insurgents are comming and the hunters stock up on more ammo : )
I love the local, it a great place to vent without actually going out and sh_t-smackin' a muslim around.
Have a safe weekend everyone, except of course for the Religion of Peace insurgents, they're always busy making plans for their next assault on humanity...
I think the best thing to do is to convert to Islam :-) and then we will have a peaceful life.
What do you think?
Greeting from Israel to all the swedish people.
P.S
Religion sucks!!!!!!!!!!!
As these "revolutions" unfold over the next decade into civil war, Islamist power grabs and other madness we can all expect a flood of Muslims pouring into the West looking for help and a free lunch from the dirty infidels, since they are incapable of living peacefully amongst themselves despite their joke of a religion of peace.
Hopefully by then Europe will have smartened up and shut the gates having realized who these "refugees" really are and the violent, backwards, soul sucking evil they represent.
Stop immigration from Muslim countries and most major problems in Sweden will be solved.
Your comment, "We can't win Islam there are too many religious Muslims in the world", is exactly what the Islamists want to hear. Let me remind you: our civilization has been under Islamist attack more than once in the past; in 732, our forefathers defeated the Islamist in the Battle of Tours, and on 9-11 of the year 1683 our forefathers defeated the Islamists at the gates of Vienna (you can read Wikipedia about both these pivotal events). So Islamists can be defeated and must be defeated. The despicable governments of EUrabia are doing all they can to defeat our civilization, the last such step being the vote against Israel at the Security Council on Friday, 18 Feb ("a date that will live in infamy"). Fortunately, our civilization has Fortress North America to save our civilization, just as we did in two world wars.
"If the Jews leave Sweden I'd expect some of them at least to immigrate to Canada. They'd be quite welcome over here."
I have talked to many concerned Jews in Europe when traveling there. Most are reluctant to even tell you they are Jewish. As I always tell them, come to the US, we welcome productive people, let the welfare addicts stay here.
Britain secured the territory east and west of the River Jordan and named it Palestine. In 1920 Chruchill, decided to give all the lands (78%) east of the River to a Hashemite prince from what is today Saudi Arabia and called it Trans Jordan. That is already one state. This was done to appease him as his cousin was already named ruler of the country now known as Iraq, The Jews had expected all of Palestine, after this dastardly act, all the land swest of the river was expected to be Jewish. This was not to be the case. The British military acted against the terms of their government even as the San Remo pact became known. This was to recognise the Jewish claims.
Until 1948, the British Colonial Office and the Military took a wholly different view and decided that British interests reigned supreme and did all it could to stop Jews living in lands west of the river, still called Palestine. Arab immigrationwas encouraged and after world war II they installed one of the hateful le Husseini family as Grand Mufti. This man was a dedicated NAZI (as most Moslems are) who had met and befriended Hitler and assured him that he would have all the Jews decimated.
In 1948, and since, over a million Jews became original refugees from Islamic and Arab lands. Lands where they had lived for over 2000-3000 years, well before the time of Islam or Christ. Since 1948, hundreds of millions of people around the world have become refugees, fleeing their land of birth and heritage. No UN help was available to them. Only the so called Palestinians have their seat at the UN, called UNWRA.
There are already 2 states, what people are now asking for is a solution involving 3 states, when all the Arabs want is 1 state.
In answer to Jews fighting back, when they do, as Israel, their is wide spread condemnation. Here in the UK, the Nazis received a good hiding from the Jews. They no longer are a force to be reckoned with. Perhaps, the Jews as outnumbered as you are in Sweden, should do the same. Israel is still a tiny state surrounded by huge and mightily aremde Arab nations, and still she beats them. TelAviv, the expression used to be ein brera klal! Atslakha Akhi.
You say, "after world war II they installed one of the hateful le Husseini family as Grand Mufti". Actually, it was after WW I, in 1921-2, that the British High Commissioner Samuel appointed Hajj Amin al Husseini as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. You can find a rather detailed article about this despicable character in (among other places) Wikipedia.
Welcome to the world of muslim logic.
BTW, the mayor of Malmö claimed that Jews are guilty by that they did not distance themselves from Israel. Here is a "reason" for you.
This of course does not apply to the muslims who are not required to disctance themselves from their apartheid dictatorships that fill graveyards in industrial amounts.
"all your comments generate hate and racism! no one can find a solution only bla bla bla bla!!! "
Actually I thought the solution was pretty obvious and almost unanimous. Stop letting people that hate Western values into Western countries, and deport the ones already there that are spewing the most hate. There I found a 2-Step solution so you can sleep tonight.
Today no Israeli will accept to go back to that lines nobody can defend himself enter the lines of 1948 and of course we shell not accept to create the microscopic state as was at first planed in the resolution 181 ,today also Netanayo speaks over creation of Palestinian state between Jordan and Israel that will include a free corridor to Gaza strip, there were allready talks about which part of west Jordan will remain in Jewish hands and which goes to the Palestinian,
Meanwhile we can talk just with half of the Palestinian ,the other half in Gaza is against any compromise and go on with the war I felt it very well as I was with my family in Shalter in Op. Oferet Yezuka
Thanks again Beni
"Everyone should remember events like this, when they go to vote for the next election, you do have the power to change things if you take an interest. Thing do not have to remain this way. Imagine a Sweden with no muslims or mosques"
Any Jew who voted for the SD would be like signing his/her death warrant.
A leopard NEVER changes it's spots, it just tries to cover them up when it sneaks into the cow pen.
Yes SD will go for Muslims first, Jews will be next.
Just check out what the grass roots members are saying when they are not controlled.
They want a nice blue eyed, blonde haired Aryan race.
"First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
I have read the material about the SD, as presented in Jihad Watch - I have full confidence in JihadWatch, and what is good for Spencer is good for me; see link to his presentation below.
Your anti-SD propaganda is very similar to the Neo-Stalinists propaganda against all awakening EUrabians, especially the propaganda against Geert Wilders. I don't buy it.
In your comment you show "genuine concern" for Jews, warning them about SD. But what I have witnessed from other parties in EUrabia, esp the perfidious Social-Democrats, is a consistent attack on Israel over three decades. Nobody can be worse than they are.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2Fimages%2FPresentation%2520of%2520the%2520Sweden%2520Democrats-3.pdf&ei=7oRhTfGfD82TtweWv_2SDA&usg=AFQjCNE-Qc7J5wBuv2-0lQ2XFodalS6KVw&sig2=s13XmMPPYZ1RVEqShZyeBQ
They had no reason to chant "Jew!, Jew!" while they gang raped poor Lara Logan during their celebration of "democracy" in Egypt. But they did...
Since when has reason ever played a role in any of this madness?
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Just to add to your comments a nd for people to have a little more info. Mohammad (Haj) Amin Al-Husseini, the virulently anti-Semitic mufti of Jerusalem with very deep ties to German Nazis, was also the mentor of Egyptian-born YASSER ARAFAT, who at age 17, started to work for Mohammad Amin Al-Husseini (allegedly great-uncle of Arafat). Yasser Arafat's real name was Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rauf Arafat Al-Kudwa Al-Husseini. Arafat reportedly changed his name intentionally to disguise his connection to Mohammad Amin al-Husseini. There is so much more about Mohammad Amin Al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem from 1921 to 1948, and his influence in Muslims' deep anti Semitism, violent Islamic jihadist movement and so many other regional issues. Look him up. Just to get a quick glance at this despicable man, http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html
What I am trying to point out is that when you analyse any extreme right wing political party such as SD or the BNP in the UK or the myriad of American neo-nazi parties, there is one common thread and that is hate. They pick on a particular subject which can stir up emotion and gain support in the case of SD Muslim immigrants. They have no other platform at all.
So lets say that they can stir up enough support to get into power or like in Denmark get into a power brokerage situation where their policies become law and Muslim immigrants are kicked out.But that will not solve all the problems of the country and the voters will not be happy so SD will have to find a new target to blame all the problems of the world on and who will it be?
For hundreds of years Jews have been the scapegoat for economic and social problems throughout Europe, from the pogroms in Russia through to Germany in the 30's
When a nation does not want to blame itself for the problems it faces and looks for a non-indigenous scapegoat.
Today, SD claims that it is only against Muslims and Jews are OK, ( to say otherwise would have it banned)
At the same time it talks about a country of CHRISTIAN Swedish values. Many of the current SD members come from the neo-nazi parties of old. Their beliefs have not changed, just put on hold until the first target - the Muslims are dealt with.
How long would it take to see SD supporters yelling
JEWS killed Christ?
Religion is a cultural system that creates powerful and long-lasting meaning, by establishing symbols that relate humanity to truths and values.Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. ( Wiki definition)!
Meaning to life! That's what poisons people!
Why muslim hates jew? why jew think that everybody hate them? why people are afraid of the spread of islam?!!
There are a lot of "CP" in this world!!
You say..."The swedish goverment should be concerned that people like us feel the way we do, but they don't."
Sorry to say this, but if the politicians are not concerned about what they are doing to their country they are not likely to be concerned about how some tourists feel. Their whole mentality is pathetic, it's good that the Social Democrats are finally starting to loose influence...after many decades of shaping the country.
That's one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a long time.
I grew up in the US and can tell without a doubt that outside of Malmo and some isolated immigrant ghettos, Sweden is about the safest place you could be.
If you'd set foot in NY or LA, you'd be in much more "danger" though both of those cities are perfectly safe if you stay out of the obviously stupid places to go. I've lived in both.
Now in 20 YEARS in Sweden if demographic trends stay the same, you might be on to something but for now it's idyllic compared to most places. Let's hope it stays that way.
+What I am trying to point out is that when you analyse any extreme right wing political party such as SD or the BNP in the UK or the myriad of American neo-nazi parties.....+
Myriad of American Neo-Nazi parties? Rick, what in God's name (or Allah's name for u) are you talking about? As everyone knows the US has 2 major parties and maybe 4 or 5 others that appear on an election ballot. I can assure you that none of those parties are anything like SD or BNP. Don't talk about 'hate' and then let your own hatreds blind you better thinking. Please explain yourself.
How about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfpB99bj0fI
Most probably find yourself there
"The 2005 Survey of American Attitudes Towards Jews in America, a national poll of 1,600 American adults conducted in March 2005, found that 14% of Americans - or nearly 35 million adults - hold views about Jews that are "unquestionably anti-Semitic,"
Read more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_...e_United_States
Big supporters of the Tea Party
Here is another clip of you and your friends
http://www.chacha.com/videos/cultures-grou...ube/Surdizmf_dw
These people are the reason why the majority of Jews in the US vote for the Democrats
Also, trying to paint me a somehow a hater of Jews is just an unbelievably desperate reach.
There you go again with lies and more lies making false accusations about what I have written when I have not.
You are the one who has been outed ( and banned) so many times as the nasty little racist troll that you are. It is obvious every time you touch the keyboard
It is a historic fact, once Jews leave/deported, the state that pushed them out goes into downward spiral.
I highly doubt SD could realistically "go after" Jews because Jews aren't commiting crimes, draining the social system, etc or doing anything they could realistically point to in an effort to generate generalized public support...
Though I personally find their Christian rhetoric highly off putting and irrelevant to a legitimate immigration debate.
However, Muslims are ALREADY overwhelmingly anti-semitic and discriminatory starting right from the Koran.
Who are worse befellows? A religion founded on fascistic, anti-semitic ideals that commands hostility to all outside cultures or a group of people who's hostilities are directed at opposing them?
Both may be fascistic, but SD will lose traction after they lose a Muslim opponent. Islamists won't stop until we're all Muslims and our wives are wearing headscarves.
We see this last week the revolts in much of the Arab Moslem world. Now you know why these people are so desprate to emigrate to western lands. What I fail to understand is whn e they do make a successful transition, is why whey wish to convert those lands to the same mental state as the lands they left.
I watched SKY TV news just one evening this last week. joke of the week was their text heading asking if it was time to intervene? Are they crazy? Just whom did they have in mind. what a load of crap.
Now in the UK we see the PM "call me Dave" Cameron and his government and opposition being criticised ofr exporting arms to Libya and all the other oil rich Arab lands. These arms were used against the civil population. How awful (excuse my cynicism) and rightly so. When the Arabs have been supplied by western nations, just who were the expected victims? Aah, Israeli civilians, so that's okay then. Camron could have used his remarks about an open prison against any Arab/Moslem nation, yet failed miserably to do so.
I would more than welcome Jewish people to come to the US, here we treat them like one of us, no difference.
If Jews are so protected, why are there ongoing problems against the Jewish people today? Even more shamefully, so soon after the holocaust. Here in the UK, the Moslems have greater protection than anyone else because of a number of reasons. 1/ don't upset them, Saudi oil might be switched off. 2/ don't upset them, I need their vote in my constintuancy. 3/ don't upset them, the human rights people will be up in arms (their executive officers are usually black and Moslem, ot ultra left wingers) 4/ don't upset them, it might weaken our ability to supply arms to the peaceful, democratic Arab Moslem world.
If you are a Moslem, I suggest you ask why your black gold (oil) rich Arab Moslem nations do not support you, instead of western tax payers having to continually bail you oput of starvation. And why? Because your leaders ensure you are kept in poverty to hate the west, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Druse Pagans etc. How pathetic you are. It seems Islam is a religion based upon hatred, and a haven for misfits and losers. A real shame.
These sorts of problems will not go away until you repatriate muslims to their own countries. Pick whatever Western country you like, none of the people were asked if they wanted immigration from muslim lands, they just don't fit in.
Muslims in Scandinavia? When was that ever a good idea?
The mantra in Sweden seems to be; "let in hordes of muslims, no matter what the consequences are".
The multicultural politicians who let this immigration disaster hit Sweden, should be put on trial and charged with treason towards folk and country.
100% agree with you.
Most of the economically powerful nations have become so because of migrants - US, UK and yes even Germany benefitted massively because of the Jews.
Long gone are the days of the 1934 Sterilization act where, in the name of bettering the race "Sweden sterilized more people than any other European state except Nazi Germany" (wikipedia). Those nations that don't accept change will just fall into decay.
That is total left wing nonsence.
The Henry Ford's book is quite interesting.
The name of the book is The world's Foremost Problem, ok?
What's wrong with it? Can't I give my opinion? Isn't that the Free World?
The War You Don't See, a film by John Pilger
You have forgotten to mention about the macabre statements written in The TALMUD and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
The Governments around the World should ban anti-ethic contents from the religious books.