May 26, 2012
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With Julian Assange facing extradition to Sweden, his Swedish lawyer on Thursday rejected claims that his client would not be treated fairly by Swedish courts, but remained critical of the way Swedish prosecutors have handled the case.
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claiming he had attempted to "mislead the court".
Gee, didn't his British lawyers do the same thing???
why doesn't the prosecution fly over to the UK to ask these questions?
why don't they do a web-cam chat?
why didn't they ask JA when he was in sweden?
why don't they make a simple phone call?
why hasn't he been charged with anything? oh wait, he has not done anything wrong.
i've never seen more of a misuse of INTERPOL, political powers or the legal system as i have with this case. WOW!
"why hasn't he been charged with anything? oh wait, he has not done anything wrong."
Bottom line, WHY IS HE AFRAID TO COME TO SWEDEN?
Seeing how he is fighting this, I've never seen more misuse of common sense!
You're right.... this case IS costing Swedish & UK taxpayers millions. And Assange sho be forced to reinburse both countries for those costs.
Just because a lot of people assert something doesn't make it so. What is important is whether or not an assertion stands up to scrutiny,.
For example, with regard to the much maligned Ny, here is what the UK judge had to say. Unlike you, me and everyone else on this forum he had the opportunity to cross-examine people who had serious criticisms to make. The same people had also popped up in the press and helped whip up the whole media frenzy concerning the prosecutor's actions.
If you disagree with the judge then please point out specifically where the judge is wrong i.e. pls don't just blow hot air. Lest I be accused of selective editing, the full judgement can be found at http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/...ge-judgment.pdf.
" The defence have had the opportunity to attack the credibility of the
witness, and have taken that opportunity. In fact the attack on credibility amounts to very little. The main criticism comes from the Swedish judge, Brita Sundberg-Weitman. She does not know Ms Ny. She bases her opinion on what she has been told by this defendant's lawyers and articles she had read in the press. In fact she produced comparatively little evidence to support her strong criticism of Ms Ny. I refer briefly to that part of her evidence at page 3 above. Moreover she confirmed that she had no direct personal knowledge of what had happened in the investigation. Her evidence is based upon facts supplied to her by the defence lawyers. Mr Hurtig denied telling her that Ms Ny had made no effort to interview his client. He has never met her. There is therefore no clear evidence as to the source of the information on which Brita Sundberg-Weitman formed her opinion. One probable explanation is that Mr Assange's London lawyers provided her with material they had in turn received from Mr Hurtig. However there are other explanations and the evidence is simply unclear on this point. Mr Alhem expressly made no judgement on Ms Ny. Mr Hurtig clearly does know the prosecutor personally. He has not directly accused her of lying, or of malicious intent, but has strongly criticised her judgement. However, insofar as there were significant differences between his evidence and her evidence on facts known to them both, he conceded in cross-examination that her evidence is substantially correct."
This is the same Hurtig who is making criticisms about Ny in the article above...
Yeah right. I'm the Pope
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kreig/rove-suspected-in-swedish_b_798737.html
The Catch-22 I find in this is that Assange IS being extradited for PROSECUTION. That is repeated at the core of Ny's EAW extradition request, Assange is named as a SUSPECT. The extradition request has been granted on the strength of the request i.e. not 'wanted for questioning BUT for prosecution'
According to Swedish law he CANNOT face prosecution until a Preliminary Hearing has been held, and he has been interviewed. However, this gross distortion of Swedish justice by Ny falls outside the actual remit of the English Court's consideration.
Two wrongs making a right.
This Ny-hating, JA-loving discussion is resembling something out of a church i.e. a faith-based thing in which reason and criticism are unwelcome.
Why hasn't Carl Bildt been extradited to Sudan to stand trial for his responsibility in those thousands killed and massacred while he was a director with Lundin Petroleum???
Now, that would TRULY BE JUSTICE BEING SERVED!
This is just political conspiracy at top level! Makes me sick to my stomach!
Last week there was articles how they are manipulating and backdoor all the loop holes they can find to get him sent to the US!
They have already considered and decided that he is to get the death centence in the US.
This is all fabricated over FALSE sex allegations and FBI plants. "broken condoms" - "he assulted me". Gee whiz! There is no justice any more!
The suicide bomber in Stockholm was created by the US also to prove there are "threats" by the muslims. Thanks Obama! I wonder WHO should really be in jail?
I hope your stomach feels better now. It's always good to vent. We all believe you and love you. Now put your straight jacket back on and go play nice with the other loonies.
JA's lawyers put up a number of people to discredit Ny. Upon examination of the "evidence" and cross examination of the critics, the arguments against Ny were found to be unconvincing. The whole process is a matter of public record.
Rant away against Ny all you want, its a free world. However, please don't pretend that you in any way have performed more a systematic and unbiased assessment of her than the UK judge. You haven't. None of you Ny-haters have.
Its all rather pathetic.
Regarding your comments on the JA extradition hearing yesterday:
The working assumption of the court from the start is that JA should be extradited. Which means JA has to prove everything beyond all reasonable doubt, all the prosecution have to do is sit back and look for holes in the defence.
The judge wasn't sympathetic to JA and even had him locked up for about 10 days in December.
The defence evidence was put under a microscope by the judge and he found that JA's Swedish lawyers evidence had some error, which undermined his credibility. The judge used this to undermine the evidence of 2 other Swedish defence witnesses.
The judge wasn't prepared to look at anything other than the words written on the EAW to answer the question of whether JA was wanted for questioning or prosecution.
Regarding your support for the fragrant Ms Ny; the fact is she didn't have the guts to come to London to give evidence before the Judge and in fact her written statement for the court was regarded as hearsay and the judge said he would give it little weight, which rather weakens your argument that she was correct on all points.
What you have failed to take into account is that most Swedes, including the eminent Brita Sundberg-Weitman know from common knowledge that Ms Ny is a man hating radical feminist with an extremist political agenda. Unfortunately common knowledge and common sense are often not given much weight in court.
He does not have any standing as a lawyer in a British court, so he would only be considered a witness. The judge didn't allege contempt of court, so I doubt if he will have any problems in the UK. He did make a quick exit from court so I guess he is not taking any chances.
I don't know if he will have any trouble in Sweden with the bar, perhaps you can tell me?
He effectively lost the case for JA, so I doubt if he is pleased.
As I remarked on a previous thread, the critics, as nominated by JA himself, simply couldn't substantiate their allegations against Ny. This is a matter of court record. Repeating allegations and smears against this woman doesn't change this.
That she didn't come to London is neither here nor there. Is it even common for someone of her rank to come in person to such a hearing ? You don't know her reasons for staying yet still you call her gutless. This is strange. Perhaps you should broaden your perspective a little. In fact, in her absence it should have been even easier to discredit her since she wasn't available to reply to any specific points raised. Nevertheless, even then the evidence against her was found to be lacking.
Pumping out more hot air and spleen doesn't change the fact that in the one rigorous examination of the allegations against her which has taken place, JA and lawyers could not muster any convincing evidence. If you feel otherwise then refer to the court records (not only the allegations but also the counter arguments).
I'm not having a rant at Ny - I'm sure she does her job in the way she sees best - but I think Justice Riddle may have been a bit unfair on Hurtig. Have you read any of the tweeted transcripts from the courtroom? Not Esther Haddley, hers were very piecemeal (and a bit biased - she's a Guardian reporter, remember). Frederico Cocco did the ones that were most nearly verbatim. You have to remember Hurtig was giving testimony in Swedish, being cross-examined in English by Clare Montgomery. Secondly, the confusion concerned texts from Marianne Ny on the 21 and 22 September only, when she requested a meeting on 28 Sept. Hurtig also testified about phone calls with Ny's deputy on 15 Sept confirming Assange could leave Sweden. Assange is notoriously difficult to get hold of - everyone, even the Guardian, says so. Hurtig says he heard from Assange on the 30th - he had his bags stolen at a Germany airport. He'd left Sweden on the 27 Sept and said he'd be back in Sweden on 9 Oct, fix a meeting for then. Justice Riddle left all these details out in his judgment.
oh well, it's easy to figure out who you are working for, if you are not sitting in a library in jail!
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