February 23, 2012
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As religious tensions continue to cause friction in Sweden and elsewhere, Lutherans, Catholics, and Muslims in a small Stockholm suburb have come together to present a new model for religious tolerance, The Local's Geoff Mortimore discovers.
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And we see everybody to practice their religion under one banner House of God and who prays to whom its between them and their Gods :)
Allah says: "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256
Now, if only more people who would call themselves Muslims would only read the Quran...
@ ghaziusman: I agree, or would agree, but not being religious, I wouldn't have much to do there.
could it come from one of the oldest ideas that men create god(s) in their image? World peace will come once we build a gigantic roof covering the whole earth, right?
I do wish people would not say stupid things to make their ideas seem big, the Cordoba Masque has had a church INSIDE it since the 13th century
Except in Pakistan where another politician has been murdered for suggesting that execution for blasphemy is wrong.
Apostates.are in similar trouble
Every religion is verbose enough to cover - pussy cat or tiger, depending on the situation
http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/4-4.htm
Who do you think that is?
All us misunderstanders of Islam are over the moon !
Presumably the Mosque will have the traditional separation of the sexes ?
And the church services will not be spoiled by the wailing 5 times a day from the Minaret ?
Perhaps you "Christians" should read and understand just what the Koran, the Hadiths and the Suras say about you before you venture further on this utopian dreamfest.
I have an even better idea; build this monstrosity in Malmo, but make sure it is fireproof and surrounded by a big blast-proof wall.
By the way one of the Abrahamic faiths is missing from this picture.
Guess which.
What a coincidence.
Why not invite the Osama or Amidinijhad to open it.
Best of luck.
Bloody fools.
The Truth:
The Muslim who offers this verse may or may not understand that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was "revealed" at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem.
But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first. In fact, abrogation is a very important principle to keep in mind when interpreting the Qur'an - and verse 2:256 in particular - because later verses (in chronological terms) are said to abrogate any earlier ones that may be in contradiction (Qur'an 2:106, 16:101).
Muhammad's message was far closer to peace and tolerance during his early years at Mecca, when he didn't have an army and was trying to pattern his new religion after Christianity. This changed dramatically after he attained the power to conquer, which he eventually used with impunity to bring other tribes into the Muslim fold. Contrast verse 2:256 with Suras 9 and 5, which were the last "revealed," and it is easy to see why Islam has been anything but a religion of peace from the time of Muhammad to the present day.
There is some evidence that verse 2:256 may not have been intended for Muslims at all, but is instead meant to be a warning to other religions concerning their treatment of Muslims. Verse 193 of the same Sura instructs Muslims to "fight with them (non-Muslims) until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah." This reinforces the narcissistic nature of Islam, which places Muslims above non-Muslims, and applies a very different value and standard of treatment to both group
that money could be put to better use.
maybe the negative posters here are just afraid that the Christian church may be able to find some common groun with Islam.
And where would that put the strongly "Christian" SD?
I do think that they should also get the Jews involved as well, if they want to make it truly ecumenical,
A church (or 2), a synagogue and a a mosque all in the same location, all you need is a Hindu, Sikh, and a Buddhist temples and peace would reign in Sweden?
So why if I quite Islam then I'd become allowed to be killed by other Muslims?
Ah, sorry, I'd forgot that those who allow this are not real Muslim! And what we see today in not real Islam. Of course Islam in its real "nature" is full of peace and tolerance and as one Imam said in this news:
"Religion has been used in such a negative way in history so this is a way of us showing it can be put in a positive light as well,"
I wonder why we have to keep this misused concept? and if putting a positive light could make a subject positive as well ...
The extremists got no religion at all, Let give you an example
Hitller a Christian who killed thousands of Jews and over 50 million died because of him and his nation. He was Christian and his followers were also Christian it was not Hitller a lone to do this job.
The Big Bush /smal bush the american presidents a christian killed over Millions childrens in Iraq by putting only sanction on them and occupied their land He was a christian and his fighters were a christians. Crusaders ?and so on.
If you give you an example of christian leaders who are killing and have killed millions, you can not compared them with these terrorist who call themselves muslims and kill more Muslims instead to kill non? What kind of Muslims they they kill more Muslims have you noticed? but anyways they are all american gifts at time of war with Russia , they were teaching the kids in Pakistan in school 1+1 is equal 2 guns.
@Nora
According to Islamic law, you should not be killed if you leave religion. At the time of prophet Muhammad Allah's messenger many people joined Islam and left and some of them did it for purpose to insult and weak Islam but the Prophet did not order to kill them. Some of them were doing this to misguide others specially some Jews on that time were doing this.
There is a law for criminals and those who create Fitna among children of Adamn they deserve hard punishment. Otherwise it would make Muslim hate Jew or jew to hate christian it is not good and i believe 1400 ys the law were tougher.
You should read Quran and its messeger forget what happened 1400 years ago, If i qoute you from Bible the verse and about suicides and virgin rapers you would be shocked.
Some of losers without reading and understanding the time manner and fashion and compared it to right now
The Prophet Mohammad 1400 years made the black people as governer and married him to his cousin and Khaliph of Islam called the Black man my master , you do not see such a thing happens right now in this time.
Islam means peace submission to almighty Allah. Allah is the name of God
This freedom of speech would make us hate each, I honestly do not see any positive effect of this , all i see that this term is used toward Muslims only to insult them or prov them and when it comes to Jews the USA knowning that building is unlawful but still support israel in UN and in action. Double standers!
The Christians 'God', The Jews 'Jehovah' and the Muslims 'Allah' are the same 'God of Abraham'
You are incorrect. The muslims believe in a monotheistic higher power. The concept of the Trinity is sacreligious. Granted the Chrisitian view of God is also slightly different but it sprang from from Judeism. The muslims are the odd man out in this one. They are the Johnny come latelies to the party.
esus a Jew by race, was a Muslim by religion, A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.
Regarding the Islamic teachings of Jesus:
Jesus called God "Alayho" in Aramaic.
Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}
Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}
Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do.
Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting our will to God and Faith as Muslims do.
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
* Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do.
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32)
* Jesus taught he is just a servant of God as Muslims are:
http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Prophet-Jesus/Jesus-Christ-a-Jew-for-Allah.htm
IF you go to north of Sweden and south of Sweden you will find many dialect
"Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God" and is also used by christians.
If any group is out of line it is the Catholic church.
Jews and Muslims believe in a Monotheist supreme power, the God of Abraham Jehovah, Allah, God or whatever name but the same god.
Christians of all sects also believed in one god until the Roman church introduced the Filioque which changes the Nicene creed to make them believe in three gods - God the Father, God the son and God the holy ghost.
I hope the satanists, nature worshippers and Odin followers, take a legal case for discrimination.
We are talking semantics. The god of the Muslims is not the Judeo-Christian God. Saying "God," indicates Judeo-Christianity. Of course you are correct that the Jews are still stuck on the old covenant and are waiting for their Messiah. The idea of a Trinity is a based on the new covenant promises of Jesus. That doesn't change the God head likeness between the two religions.
Muslims are welcome to "Allah." Have you ever noticed the only ones claiming likeness are pc idiots or muslims? When was the last time you heard a Jew refer to Hashem as Allah or a Christian refer to God as Allah? (Middle Eastern conversations excluded) When a Coptic Christian refers to Allah it is not the muslim Allah. He is using the only available word in his language. It doesn't make the supreme beings the same.
As for a shared tradition, Muslims claiming shared roots with Judaism and Christianity doesn't make it so. I can claim your tv in your house is mine. It doesn't make it mine though. Pluralism in religion is ridiculous, especially when the differences between the religions are so stark.
Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10} THIS IS A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL. HE USED THIS SCENRIO TO TEACH HUMILTY, READ IT AGAIN
Jesus taught us how to pray in Matt 6: 5 - 15, he laid special emphasis on not being hypocritical WHICH BOYFRIEND IS PROMOTING HERE.
(Matthew 26:39 KJV) And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, . HE BOWED DOWN TO PRAY NOT TO SUBMIT. He does not need to bow to submit to the will of His father.
Jesus is the son of God but worked as his servant. Matt 26:29 He CALLED HIM FATHER
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. HE REFERRED TO HIMSLEF AS GOD HERE.
PLEASE DONT MISINTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD. Jesus is the son of God and as a result he is God. There is not one single justification for islam in the bible but you will find Jesus in the muslim books
The Cordoba church has not a Masseguid inside, has been a Masseguide transformed in Catholic Church when the Spanish kicked out the Muslim people.
Now, but what would want a Jew to do in a Catholic Church? If in the proximities, at that time, we where candidates to be grilled .... but outside hahahahahahaha
Now, about the building, this is a beautiful gesture.
If schools have come asking how they can teach the kids to be tolerant and get along, tell those stupid educators, who apparently have not paid attention to recent history, to gather the muslims aside and TEACH THEM HOW TO BE TOLERANT. The Catholics, Jews, and Lutherans do not need to be taught tolerance. It is the muslims who are not tolerant!! There was no problems with terrorism until we let those stinking muslims into Sweden and the West!!
Do you see Lutherans or Catholics killing their children or relatives in honor killings?? Do you see Catholic or Lutheran suicide bombers?? So why don't you fools teach the muslims how to be tolerant??
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The elephant in the room is of course the exclusion of the Jewish religion from this "God's House". This absence speaks volumes about Jewish peoples bleak future in the new Eurabia, of which Sweden, true to form, is one of the most craven advocates. This project is really a symbol of the new Vichy Sweden.
Wake up! What ignorance! Henrik is wrong.
Muslims conquered Damascus in 634. The caliph, al-Walid I, commissioned the construction of a mosque on the site of the Byzantine St. John The Baptist cathedral in 706. The Damascus Mosque was always a supremist mosque. The cathedral was demolished. Prior to its demolition, the cathedral was in use by the local Christians, but a prayer room for Muslims had been constructed on the southeastern part of the building.
Jihad (War) is only encouraged against cruel Emperor or King in the battlefield only. And also in battle field not with children, old or women. So if people believe that TALIBAN or ALQAIDA is practicing real ISLAM by killing Innocent civilians by suicide bomb killing then it is entirely wrong and misled.
The purpose of my comment is not to defend ISLAM, as i respect all other religion as well and not consider myself to be superior to anyone, Just to make a clarification that every religion can only be understood better only in the light of Education. Education is the Key to practice any religion in the way it is meant to be.
if hippos were to belong in sweden we could hunt them as any other animal
As a Muslim I wouldn't waste my money into a place where something will be worshiped beside the one true God, where a Son will be declared for God, where they will say there is three Gods in one. Sorry but best of luck.
Where did you get the information that Hitler and his crew were Christians? Hitler was brought up a catholic but became heavily influenced by a book called The Secret Doctrine by Helena Blavatsky. This was an occultic book which sparked the evil Theosophy movement, of which Hitler was a part. Google it for yourself and see if you don't believe me.
If Hitler was a Christian why wasn't his emblem a cross? Instead it was a swastika - and where does that come from? Hinduism. It is what the Buddha has on the bottom of each of his toes. This hardly upholds Christ, who says 'I am the way, the truth and the life'. Also on the net you will find a very interesting letter by a man called Albert Pike, who was a 33 degree freemason, written to a fellow freemason called Guisseppe Mazzini, outlining the design for 3 world wars. If you want to know who was behind Hitler, investigate the grubby work of the freemasons, my friend
Sorry I missed your fantasy passage. Jesus was a Muslim? You do realize that Jesus died 500 years before Mohammed transcribed Lucifer's whisperings into the Koran, right? What,did Jesus borrow Dr. Who's TARDIS to travel half a millenium into the future, to be subjegated under Islam and then travel back in time? Hammad674, above, mentioned education. You might want to try it on for size.
swedish politicians do really bend over without the aid of KY to get votes.
this stuff is totally incredible.
This raises the obvious question at to why a few hundred years later a prophet spouting the same mantra was needed to found a new religion.
You should have all been Christians.
In the new building how are they planning to handle the communion wine ?
The sayings of Muhammad are a treasure of wisdom, not only for Muslims but for all of mankind.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
God has no religion.
—Gandhi
We all are talking about Peace, Love and Integration and you are again trying to initiate hate speech, And if you want to argue that its part of your Freedom of Speech then Remember Freedom of Speech also have some limits and didn't mean to say anything about any Religion or Personal Characterization. I don't know from which religion (or non believer or what so ever) you are but its enough for me to respect you that you are a Human. We never ever said and can't even Imagine of saying anything bad about the character of EESA A.S (JESUS A.S), MUSA (A.S) and all the other Prophets sent by GOD (ALLAH) for betterment of the People. Its part of ISLAM to believe on All the Messenger and Prophet sent by GOD (ALLAH) and respect them. So do the respect and be respected. There is nothing in HATE.
I respect that you believe as you wish. You can believe in your Dog for all I care. However, don't show disrespect by blending Jesus with a warlord pedophile like Mohammad. (Even in that time, marrying a pre-menses child like Aisha was abnormal.)
The question should be - how on earth can Muslims believe that this evil man was sent by God to guide mankind? Jesus and Moses would have seen him for what he was - a nasty piece of work. It is entirely logical to hate such a person and to distrust those who insanely believe that he was the Perfect Man.
Only the Middle Eastern God is described.
None of the European Gods are described.
What about Thor, Freya, Odin, Loki, Danu, Lieaibolmmai, Saaraahka, Juoksahkka, Jabbmeaaakka, Živa, Zaria, Perun, Zeus, Poseidon, Frigg, Ukko, Matres, Macha, Rhiannon, Lugh, Sucellos, etc?
There is lots of people in Sweden from the Far East.
Why is Budda not represented?
In the name of diversity and equality altars should be built to all the gods.
Not to do so, would be racist in the extreme.
the majority of the SD voters came from the social democrats - go figure.
the welfare of traditional working class swede has been hammered by their own party on the expense of more immigrants. these are swedes who have spent their entire life working for a better sweden but failed to understand the underlying currents of the party leader's ambitions..... to sit as long as possible to lift as high pension as possible.
"who cares about the next generation as long as I have my pension secured at the highest possible level"
rest my case
All three of those religions have there roots in judeism. By not having the jewish religion at there core, I would question the real purpose behind this.
A better idea would be a pan European pantheon of the gods, displaying our common heritage.
At its core I would suggest the gods of knowledge. That could display the European gods of wisdom and knowledge, namely Lugh (celtic god), Odin/Wodin (germanic god), Svetovid (slavic god) and Zalmoxis (Dacian god).
Maybe to entice in the curious to learn about there common European heritage, the gods of thunder and lightning.
A building that shows the European gods Thor (germanic god), Perun (slavic god), Gebeleizis (Dacian-modern romania) and Taranis (celtic god) who are all thunder and lightning gods, could show to all our common European heritage.
I have started a discussion on this in the forum section of the Local, at:
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=39669&hl=
By the way, I'm pretty sure that other religions would not be welcome to build a house next to it as they don't believe in the same God.
As for a Jewish part, yeah I agree, but looks at statistics. How many of the Jewish faith live in Fisksätra?
They leave out Judeism as it is the father of the Abrahamic religions. Islam and Christianity are both descended from it.
That inconvenient fact they will not like to talk about.
In the name of equality, if building a religious house, then they should include all the religions. The Abramahic religions always discriminate when it suits them. They are never forced to back down and treat others as equals as they should be.
The 3 in 1 thing actually comes from Celtic and Germanic religions. It was very common around the 1st century in what is now France, Germany and Switzerland.
The christians adopted it to make it easier to assimilate the Gauls and Germans.
Ah.
All religions are full of inconsistancies.
The Abrahamic religions are probably the most hypocritcal and inconsistant.
Ah, so that's where Henrik Larsson went when he left Celtic... :-)
Adolf Hitler was actually a catholic altar boy, until he was about 12.
Joeseph Stalin trained as and dropped out of becoming a Greek Orthodox priest.
Pol Pot trained and dropped out of becoming a a Buddist Monk
As for the Swastika.
It is actually one of Europe's oldest symbols. It is on rock carvings going back 8000 years and pottery 4000 years. It actually has been found in ancient deposits from Ireland to the Urals, from Finland to Greece. It is also quite common all over the region from Europe to India and South East Asis in ancient archeological sites.
In some parts of Spain, you can still see the Swastika above the door of some very old houses, as a symbol of luck, goodwill and welcome. Spaniards have been removing it from a lot of their houses when renovating.
The Swastika was more or less a common symbol of welcome, peace and openness before the 1920's. That was its actual meaning until the 20th century.
Then along came an ex catholic altar boy called Adolf Hitler, who INVERTED the actual swastika and placed it on a red background, to make the ultimate symbol of hate.
muslims worship a pedophile (M'd) and that is against my belief and how on earth can you name your child after a pedophile. this beats my logic
Ban all religion, and live like regular normal people, how hard can it be?
Repression of infidels is the most repressive and discriminative view on the planet. Much older and more extreme than Nazism ever was. Lets all cross fingers that ecumenical ideas succeed so we can all get along without threat of terrorism against us infidels.
Islamic law mandates execution of homosexuals. Muslim homosexuals have three chances to reform and then three choices of execution : halved by sword, thrown from high perch, stoning or hanging. Non muslim homosexuals have only one strike and no choice how they die for "their sin against Islam".
Non Muslims are to be "subjugated" by Muslims to show them the error of their ways. Rape is part of the process of subjugation showing you are inferior to muslimgs.
Read the Koran, it prohibits tolerance any non-Muslim "infidels". As a minority, could I ever be safe in a Muslim country?
@ dukkse Stalin banned religion. Do you really support banning/oppressing some opinions?
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Say: He is Allah the One and Only; (1) Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; (2) He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; (3) And there is none like unto Him. (4).
Allah's knows best,
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