Published: 3 Mar 11 08:55 CET | Print version
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Illegal immigrants in Sweden should in future have the right to government-funded healthcare and education, and be able to start their own companies, the government has agreed.
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If someone is a genuine businessperson or worker seeking to do business in Sweden or anywhere else in Europe, they should be given a working visa and freely welcomed.
Those people should only be welcomed into Europe, if it can be shown that particular skill is not available in any of the EC countries first.
We should be concentrating on getting Europeans jobs first.
We should nto be hiring non-Europeans at the expense of Europeans.
If someone sneeks into the country, after passing through 20 other countries to then seek asylum, they should be deported immediately.
If they are willing to create new companies then yes I believe they should be allowed in.
If they are coming to feed off the system then deport them back to thier own country.
This is too much like fox news, and the people who comment here are too much like Glenn Beck.
Though I have no idea who Glenn Beck is.
I wish that I had Glenn Beck's money!!!!
Well according to the other The Local article "Swedes to pay more for healthcare", it's the tax payers who will be paying for their healthcare.
On the other hand, Importing tons of relatively Uneducated and illegal immigrants to Sweden with supporting of Kommuns funding.
They really need to look closely their objectives and make plans accordingly.
One surefire way to get more of something is to reward it .
It makes me think that the lunatics are running the asylum. Let's remove ID, personal numbers, borders, local Government and just allow everyone to live and work where they please and enjoy the benefits. In fact, why don't we pay everyone to move here and if you're a Swedish resident, then penalise us for following the rules!
"illegal / adjective: prohibited by law; against the law; unlawful; illicit; also, not authorized or sanctioned, as by rules"
therefore illegal immigrants should be fined and/or jailed and/or removed from the swedish soil, just like in any other country. But instead they will be given money (through free healthcare and education), welcomed to the country and allowed to live and work like anybody else?
I DON'T GET IT!
As it was sad earlier, "legal" resident of sweden have to follow the rules, but illegal ones are exempted from it, and rewarded in not doing it?
"giving such entitlements would legitimize people who have no right to be in Sweden" indeed, and that is wrong and goes against any form of justice.
What is the motivation for this? I'm sure the vast majority of illegal immigrants won't turn out to be a productive work force for the country. Of course what happens in their country is problematic from an human right point of view, but why penalize Sweden as well? Is the goal to all be equal in misery?
I wish politician would ask themselves a few questions before coming up with laws like that: "Will it benefit the country at any level?" "Will the majority of the swedes approve of it?" "Is it legal and just?" if you get a NO for all this questions, then you should probably flush the idea down the toilets.
Me: Mr. Fredrik, what am I gonna pay in taxes next year?
Mr. Fredrik: Looking at the current rate of turning illegal refugees/immigrants to a legal one, I think around 80%. And we are also looking at your house to stuff in around 20 of them. Between, if you and your family comes to the street, we can put in 10 more people. And once you are broke, you will understand the humaneness of what I have done.
Me: clap, clap.
The West has lost its will to survive and is comitting collective suicide.
As an EU national you have the same right to Swedish health care as you have on the NHS
It will be standing room only within a few years.
They should put a signpost up at Calais pointing North,..... "Sweden welcomes you" ....and take some of the pressure off the British immigration officers.
How is that somebody from a non EU country or as a migrant can come and claim benefits without contributing anything to UK economy and live of the British taxpayer.Is it me or am I right in feeling ticked off.
Yours second class citizen in my own country
Not only is the government condoning illegal immigration.
They are INCENTIVIZING it.
Expect an EXPONENTIAL increase of illiterate cave men pouring into Sweden illegally once word spreads that they will rewarded at taxpayer expense for breaking the law and invading Sweden.
Now half the Middle East will be living in Sweden in 5 years. Can you blame them? It's a win-win for them. Blame your government.
SD just got a new supporter today.
I guess I don't get the math. Unless every one of sweden's 9M people are millionaires (dollar millionaires, not kronor millionaires), how does this small country with a small population intend on absorbing anybody and their family from any third world country that decides to buy a plane ticket up here? And simultaneously, sweden has effectively cut off its primary source of recruiting talented, smart people from around the world via its higher education system...and these people are much more likely to start "companies" (not counting kebob stands) and contribute back to society...imho.
Throw your passports away and come back illegally!
Okay so Sweden has decided to be kind and nice to other people in need and some of you have reservations. Rightly so, afterall who would want to be taken by surprise in his own household. But let's get some facts straight.
Some of us (immigrants), are here not because we feel this place is heaven. No, it cannot be. Sweden cannot in anyway take away the kind of atmosphere and environment I get in my continent. But circumstances which did not start so soon dictates that I should be here. And so am here by hook or by crook.
#1. When your great grandfathers came to my continent to kidnap my great grandfathers, they came ILLEGALLY. You called them EXPLORERS! In the same vein, those of us who are here (whether legal or illegal), are here to EXPLORE and you view us as ILLEGALS who should not be here. What do you think my great grandfathers were thinking when you were kidnapping them to come and WORK for you!
#2. After all these years of inflicting such pains on us, you have not even compensated us for the wrongs you did. Infact, you are still enslaving us economically. (Afterall, slave trade was all about economics). You are still coming to buy my cocoa seedlings at a cheaper rate (no, your own rate) and then you bring it back to me at a price beyond me which then encourages people to do what they have to do.
#3. This has led us to come to you and beg for loans. Loans you give to us at a higher interest rate and then you impose your own kind of politics which is capital intensive. That has led to corruption, erode our cultural lives and many more. Why do you think there are a lot of kidnappings in Africa? How come the Ogoni people in Nigeria cannot farm anymore because your desire for oil is polluting their land and taking their livelihood away.
Take the three reasons (there are many more) into consideration and think about it. If only you will be fair to us. If only you will honestly deal with us like you deal with your kinds. If only you will leave us to have our own unique political system, maybe, just maybe, I would be back in my continent basking in sunshine instead of having heavy clothes on me.
You sow what you reap, the bible says. You sowed something and here we are. You came to us in the name of God and now, we are here telling you about this same God you told us about and to share in the profit of what you took from us.
Is this not fair enough?
Most will be only resident holders.... can't vote. In 15 years on the other hand, who knows. This is completely insane and unexpected. I figured SD would get 10% next outing. This might make it higher. Now they REALLY have a platform to run on.
@ penzy
Half the reason your part of the world is a shambles is because people like you are unable to take responsibility for ANYTHING.
Does Sweden make you kill each other in tribal wars? Do they make it impossible for foreign companies to invest there because of the instability and corruption of you governments and people? Do we FORCE you to be uncivilized and act like it's the stone age TODAY?
You can point to great-grandparents all you want, but the chaos and violence in Africa is commited by people TODAY who are responsible for their own actions.
Go home and fix your own country or you are part of the problem by running away like a coward.
You are an exact replica or a living specimen of what am talking about here. I can go back and there is no fuss about it. But remember, you don't have a single natural resource. Can you name me one? So when you come and I play hardball with you, what do you do? You organise your media and start disparaging. This is the problem you guys have with Mugabe. We will go home and the desire is more than you think. But not before we make sure there is equity!
Wanna be a Swedish citizen? Raise your right hand and repeat after me, "Små grodarna. små grodarna..."
From UK, why are u forgeting what you did in Africa you English people, you did everything bad for us, like french, like every European guys and you still doing it using the so called stupid presidents you force us to accept them using our resources. we are here to get our Gold, our diamonds back, got it crazy
Here's a clue. Don't come here and commit rape and violent crime and a rate where you are FAR overrepresented. Try to learn the language, try to find jobs. I think you'll find people will treat you a lot better.
This idea of claiming that this is all payback for Africa's colonization by Europeans is yet another excuse and yet ANOTHER way to avoid responsibility for your own actions. Africa actually was THRIVING under European colonization. For example, look at Zimbabwe. Once a shining example of Africa's vast potential (under British colonization), it is now a toilet since it was handed back to the natives. It's easy to blame others but it takes a real man to blame onself. Stop blaming others for your own shortcomings and take some responsibility. Stop running away from it by going to Europe and living on the dole.
Stop saying rapings, there many rapist from Sweden in Thailand, do you think the rapist got color, its habit, ask Assange, about Mugabe who is supporting Mugabe, may be you did not get my point, Mugabe was a good friend of you until you got comlict of interest between you. You did slave trade we just say let it go. By the way, whe tou are coming in Africa to exploit us, do we force you to learn our languages. So crazy what you are talking, but the time will come, I'll meet one down there and he will explain everthing in my local language
Sweden is way worse off than the US. Illegals aren't being incentivized and given an open permission to invade at will by Congress. They don't get the dole and they aren't able to start companies which is insane. At worst they are ignored and even that's changing...
More importantly, US hispanic immigrants INTEGRATE quickly because they aren't religious fanatics and they are sane and actually want to work and better themselves. Sweden has a much more sinister invader who view them as infidels to exploit just like the Koran tells them to.
Something needs to be done to stop this and SD appear to be the only sane ones now, which is scary.
While the government is becoming more capitalist, the are reinventing what is now known as the Swedish enterprise.
Sorry to say the government does not know must of you. Well they need to keep the system healthy and thats what the are going to do.
Dont legalize illegal immigrant the work without paying tax and the black market swells, or crime increases.So shut up folks and lets Sweden collect its taxes from immigrants.
Also many swedes stay at home and collect welfare funds this is partly supported b the legal working immigrants nobody remembers this.
Please dont forget to pay your tax yourself thats what we are all good for nothing
Stop the rhetorics for once and just tell us for once that you are a racist, for God's sake. I mean, I doubt if you have ever travelled outside your country talkless of going to live there. If so, you will have a different perspective to this issue.
Be realistic for once and understand that, the western world are the fundamental problems in Africa. Tell me, who came to divide Africa? Do you know the whole of West Africa has a shared heritage? The local language spoken in Ghana and Togo are similar, so also is Benin Republic and Nigeria. What are you saying here. Was it not for economic reasons that there was a partition for Africa? Were we even allowed to have a say in the affairs of our own lands? Come and I will take you to the slave dungeon in Cape Coast, Ghana and you will see the legacy of your own Swedes, Danes, Portuguese, Dutch and English. You want to deny that?
And when the owners of the land were not even allowed to develop their own models to suit their needs politically, you come here and talk rubbish as to us killing each other. You did not kill others in the name of God? Are you still not killing in the name of oil? Are you giving fairly back? Who deternines the prices of oil?
Please, the fact that you have been fortunate enough to be born in a country which was developed at the sweat and labour of other people does not mean you should insult them. Be grateful because one good turn deserves another.
The mexican illegal immigrant is primarily a farm worker who is not educated. The mexicans do not intergrate at all. They totally keep to themselves. They do not fit into american society and they don't even want to. They work for cash and send it all to mexico. They eventually return to mexico having earned enough money to retire. This is the nice picture, the bad picture is that they are invloved in much illegal activity involving drug running, growing marijuana, stealing cars and sending them to mexico, killing other gang members, home invasions, kidnapping americans for ransome.....etc etc.....they are some of the nastiest people you will ever not want to met. They are a wierd jealous people who actually hate americans but just want what the americans have. I could go on. Most americans want them all deported and are trying to do just that. check out a website called numbersusa
Of course pull the racist card for telling you to take responsibility for your actions. God forbid you should ever do it. Helpless victim to the end.
And what about the Irish who were under terrible English repression for decades? They seem to be doing well these days.
East Germany seemed to rebound pretty well after years under the Communist fist. Russia, arguably as well for that matter.
And the Jews who've had just about everybody attack them at some point, are they wallowing in self pity and helplessness? No they are busy winning Nobel Prizes and contributing to society.
America had a slave trade and now has a black president. One who took responsibility for HIMSELF.
Crazy how Westerners aren't whining about what happened to their great grandparents...
They move forward, act like civilized human beings and get right back to the business of winning instead of cutting children's hands off and mass raping women.
You can keep blaming others for the chaos and animalistic behaviors instead of taking responsibility but is that really going to change anything? It's actually just an excuse to keep doing it, which I guess is the REAL point.
Enjoy my tax dollars, in the meantime. I guess you have to tell yourself some story to not feel like a worthless charity case...
Is Sweden completely CRAZY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote these people out and then deport all noncitizens.
Pardon, but what do you know about how illegal mexicans act?
"they are some of the nastiest people you will ever not want to met."
This statement alone proves you know not what you speak of. Please, turn Glenn Beck or Hannity off for a second and move down to Southern California where I'm from. Some of the coolest people I've met have been mexican, illegal and legal. You're way off base.
"Most americans want them all deported and are trying to do just that."
BS...most americans don't think about it, and the ones who do are paranoid rednecks.
Now, on to other business. This whole finger pointing at the white devil colonizers who, 500 years ago, sailed off to some far off african land and captured humans to use as slaves is, yes, deplorable. But it's practically ancient history, and let's not forget that african tribes and nations have a LONG history of doing this among themselves. It wasn't like the entire continent of africa was a peaceful garden of eden till the white devils appeared. It was savage, brutal, and...yes...there were slaves. As others have pointed out, it's much easier to move forward and make progress when you choose to dump the chip that's on your shoulder.
Why I am paying half of my salary for tax? Swedish health care system has an extreme qeue! now we will have more..Also wasnt this gov who cancelled free education for qualified students? what are they indending to do? they are crazy...
@smiling Cannuk. If they want to go the Canada, US, UK, Australia, they can just get their Swedish passport and have free reign of the world. I mean look at where the 9/11 hijackers came from? A lot less scrutiny if you have a German (or Swedish) passport than if you have a Saudi Arabian one.
@Cutting Edge, Get over yourself. No one takes oil, diamonds, etc. They are paid for (exorbitantly I might add). There is a huge push in the West to make sure blood diamonds and other violent commodities from Africa and other conflict zones dont enter the stream of goods. If your governments keep 100% of these profits to the point the US Food Program (or other aid groups) has to feed these populations it is not the West's fault. Is the West supposed to drop dollars from helicopters or something? To help address YOUR governments corruption I support Kiva that lends directly to 3rd world business people.
Stop blaming the UK for everything. Try using some of the knowledge they gave you as a gift. Look at the quality of life in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. It is not a coincidence that they are all former British territories.
I am surprised you still that shallow. What has all that you said got to do with the atrocities your forefathers committed.
If you think living in a cocoon is the best for you to summarise your opinions, then I am so sorry for you. Get out of your cocoon and see things for yourself. Then you can open your mouth anyhow and talk. Until then, don't give me the crap your news media feeds you to make your opinions. If you think we are that savage, then make an application to Discovery Channel or National Geographic and find out for yourself.
It is either you talk facts or you shut it. Enough of sentiments!
What about the atrocities your forefathers committed? Or don't you think they ever committed any? Live in the present, work to the future - learn from the past...
I guess that African education system...or someone's great grandfather also made you too stupid to get an obvious point.
So I will explain it in child like terms for you since that is how you would like to be treated in life, like a helpless, ignorant child who needs to be spoon fed by us.
My POINT is that atrocities have been committed en masse against groups of Europeans, for centuries ALSO by other Europeans. Horrible atrocities. Just like you poor helpless Africans.
Except, Westerners aren't marauding the land raping and killing and then blaming dead Hapsburgs or Nazis or Soviets for it. I don't see Polish people committing genocide after their years under both the Nazis and the Soviets. Just Africans.
You justify the crime, violence and corruption in Africa as the fault of dead Europeans, not the particular African people who commit them. And so, it will continue forever.
YOU are the cause of the problem for choosing to be a helpless child who can't behave like a man.
I know you are too stupid to comprehend this and your victim status is your religion, but it is clear that you are not a man who will ever stand on his own.
You will always be a pathetic, emasculated child rolling at our feet whining about how you deserve our table scraps because of what dead people did decades ago.
You can have the scraps because we are kind. And like I said, I don't expect you to understand this anymore than I would expect a Swedish 10 yr old to understand it since you are about on the same level.
Now go run off and play.
Have you ever met a Mexican immigrant illegal or not? The majority are some of the nicest, down to earth people you can meet. A large number of them keep to themselves and just travel from farm to farm but many move to cities and integrate quite well.
There are gang members and crimes commited occasionally and that sucks but it's a small percentage of immigrants that are involved in that. Sometimes the crimes commited are seen more on the news because if they criminal can make it back to Mexico without being caught they're safe since Mexico won't extradite them.
You're also really wrong saying that most Americans don't want Mexicans there at all. Most Americans just want them to come legally so that they'll be responsible for taxes and any crimes commited just like the rest of the citizens. You can't blame people for wanting a better life for their families, you can blame them for breaking the law though.
Exactly! Your ignorance is getting the better part of you because your knowledge of world events, or anything African for that matter is limited. Or I guess you have a limited brain capacity. And I am throwing the challenge to you once more, get your bucks out from where you are and travel. Open your mental horizons and then you can come here and talk like a reasonable person. For now, it is nothing than a bla bla bla you have been doing here.
If you think we as Africans are not standing on our own, then you must be joking. A category you belong to as a matter of fact. We are working and we are not complaining because you people have raped our land and we are trying to salvage the little that is left. We are not complaining but listen, the more there is an external influence in African matters, the more things will become complicated.
Get a life. Travel around. See reality for yourself before you open that mouth of yours.
Biatch!
As a person who grew up in L.A. I can attest that Soultraveler's comments are 100% spot on. Mexicans come to the USA looking for one thing. Work. They bring almost no baggage other than a propensity to have a lot of kids. But the point is, you won't find 95% unemployment rates in Mexican-populated towns in the US. You also won't find all of the religious and lifestyle baggage with Mexican immigrants. The impact of Mexican immigration has been a positive for the US. Legal or otherwise. Though I do prefer legal immigration...
Comparing Mexicans to Muslims is ridiculous. Mexicans don't have a political/religious ideology that tells them to hate and exploit their host country. Muslims do.
@penzy
Haha. You aren't complaining? Could have fooled me. More revisionist history I guess.
Africa is for Africans
Asian for Asians
You marxists are a disgrace!