May 26, 2012
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The accidents at Japanese power plants have put the question of nuclear power back on the political agenda in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe.
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Where can we trust any politicians...
The seismic risk is a higher danger.
"This data suggests that we should expect at least one magnitude 5 earthquake in our region every century and one magnitude 6 earthquake every one thousand years"
http://www.skb.se/upload/publications/pdf/R-06-67webb.pdf
There is no comparing Japan to Sweden. They are so completely different in every way. Sweden should build more nuclear plants and invest R&D dollars in designing the next generation reactors, which could be safer and more efficient.
I don't know when the Swedish reactors were design, but there are new types of reactors like Pebble Bed Reactors (PBR) which are extremely safe.
In Germany they even did tests with PBRs where they left them completely unattended without any control rods, and as expected they naturally dropped to a safe state.
With population growth we require more energy.
Where is it going to come from?
Solar? I wish. But its always "just 5-10 years away".
Cold fusion? = hahaha.
I am scared of nuclear just like any sane person but there really is no way we are not going to get into it sooner rather than later. Till it goes belly up it really is the cleanest solution compared to fossil.
Everything has a price - and some of us will pay for this one.
And saying that we are not in an area of seismic activity doesn't make sense. If something will happen to a plant in Sweden it is because of another cause we didn't think about before.
Do you really think all the Japanese are stupid that they build that kind of reactor on that place? No thye were just overconfident by the mantra that nothing will ever happen.
And now in Europe the stock exchange has lost an amount of money in one day because of the japanese nuclear scare that if invested in solar or wind energy could double the amount of green energy we produce. But lets just keep repeating that nuclear is cheaper.
If they hadn't been hit by a tsunami those nuclear facilities would be just fine ...
actually not, the cooling system was destroyed by the earthquake, the tsunami made it even worse. But for Sweden, i think nuclear power should be fine and one of the best choice.
Now the problem seems to have been that a sensor didn't work, so at least one reactor ran dry = meltdown. The meltdown will most probably be contained (no china syndrome or chernobyl), but it will brick the reactor.
Rather live in the Ice Age than a planet that has been exposed to terrible radiation exposure , maybe for hundreds of years .
But then if you are the the sort of person who has 100% confidence in your Government who are !00% honest and those in the Nuclear industry who are also 100% honest then you can laugh your heads off about people like me !!!
and thats when nuclear power works properly.
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Thank you for the link! I read from another version of the story was that, unluckily, the diesel generators were located in a low land which was previously protected by a water-proof wall. After the earthquake, the water-proof wall was cracked, so the sea water got in. The generators were started, but stopped even before the tsunami arrived. Anyway, let's wait for the final report before coming to a conclusion.
Everything has risks. Most people don't think twice about driving, even though it's much riskier than living near a power plant.
Yes of course but you always have to use the calculation:
Chance of something going wrong x scale of the disaster if something goes wrong.
It is clear that there is much more chance that something goes wrong in the oil industry (transport, refinnery etc) but the disaster can't be compared to a full scale nuclear disaster.
Anothe scary thing that the people in a country of which we all say they are so technologically advanced and have a good work mentality don't seem to manage to do something to help end the dangerous situation.
That's not an accident, it's a holocaust even if it's off 50%.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20908
People screw up. Calculations go wrong. Read the Black Swan. It's practically inevitable.
We should limit how much damage we cause when there are screw ups because given a bit of time, they ALWAYS happen.
Worst case scenario here, large swaths of Japan could become practically uninhabitable if all the reactors fully blow.
Actually no ... it was the tsunami that caused the meltdown and subsequent radiation leaks.
The nuclear plant was designed to withstand a 7.0 earthquake ... the one that actually hit was much stronger than that, but that wasn't actually the problem. The reactors themselves were designed to shut down in the event of a significant earthquake, and that is exactly what they did. The problem is they continue to produce heat for several days after being shut down, and require an external generator to power the cooling pumps that keep the reactors in safe conditions. The generators in question had a 30 foot tsunami barrier to protect them from damage.
The real problem is (even if the barrier cracked ... as you claim it did) the barrier was still about 10 to 15 feet too low to stop the tsunami that did hit the coast. So, arguing the earthquake cracked the barrier is completely irrelevant -- even if it were intact it still would not have stopped the 40-45 foot tsunami that hit.
If there had been no tsunami the nuclear plant workers could have safely powered down the reactors, and fixed any damage that might have resulted as a consequence of the earthquake itself.
This is evidenced by the dramatic difference in damage between the cities and nuclear facilities in Japan subjected to the earthquake and tsunami, and those that were only subjected to the earthquake. Tokyo, for example, received a large part of the earthquake's force, but damage and the resulting human impact was astonishingly low. In addition, nuclear reactors further away from the north east coast, but that still received the equivalent of a 7.0 earthquake but no subsequent tsunami, are not experiencing anything even remotely resembling a meltdown situation. In fact, they are operating normally.
The nuclear problems in Sendai were not caused by the earthquake itself, but by the tsunami it created. If there had been no tsunami there would have been no meltdown.
Solar energy in a region of the world that has 6 months of little sunlight? Doesn't seem realistic to me. Wind turbines have well-documented environmental issues as well (although arguably, not as bad as coal or nuclear)...but the main problem is you practically need to cover every square inch of ground to generate enough power.
Also, I saw other comments alluding to it not being the earthquake but the tsunami causing the bulk of the damage; well, they're one in the same. You don't have a tsunami without an earthquake. It's like saying it wasn't the earthquake that cause the damage but the aftershocks.
Point being, Sweden is perfectly positioned to offer a stable environment to utilize this very efficient energy source. It's also well-positioned to store the waste, again because of its low seismic activity. Hopefully people don't have a knee jerk reaction and decide to ban all nuclear power. Although I am in favor of ultimately converting to renewable sources, the challenge is we need the time to get there and convert. It doesn't happen over night, or even in the span of a few years.
Thought I’d share. He’s the second to last contributor.
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