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Despite a request from the Riksdag last year, the Swedish government still hasn’t recognized the genocide of Armenians and other ethnic groups in WWI.
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Sweden should publicly apologise for its refusal to recognise the genocide of the Armenians.
and the way, Sweden has no business or interest to recognize or reject this.
Much like the Zionist land grab taking place now.
What has the Armenian genocide to do with the US and Israel.
It happened in the 1914-18 war.
The genocide is pretty well documented but it is a crime even to discuss it in Turkey.
In my opinion the issue of the Armenian genocide has long since turned into a escalating transnational staring contest between butt-hurt nationalist Armenians and their obsession and equally butt-hurt nationalist Turks and their pride. For all other nations, it's something that they can use as leverage against the Turkish Republic or as voter-bait for their respective Armenian diaspora.
I agree with you... Why we, Swedish, do not recognize what American did to native American and now they are doing in Iraq...Why not to discuss what French did in Algeria or other countries exploition of other classical western countries and their dirty works in those poor countries...
In addition to this what we are doing in Afghanistan... Why Sweden's nationals party following in the butt of nato...
Can't we focus on our own problems in state of spending our time for the lobbies' wish...
100 years or not, the Crime of Genocide does not have a statue of limitation. Turkey knows it quite well and that is why it does everything to hold the discussion on this level, prohibiting the issue to move to next level, i.e. what happens after we agree that it actually happened.
What USA did to its natives, France did in Algeria or any other nation did to some one else is quite irrelevant in recognising what transpired in Turkey during WWI. That fact remains the same, i.e. a genocide was committed towards the Armenian population and other Christians. The rest is politics.
I think it is you who needs an update;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_301_%28Turkish_Penal_Code%29
This is the infamous "insulting Turkishness" law that was used to prosecute people for well... pretty much anything including acknowledging the Armenian genocide. Since it was amended in 2008, prosecuting people under this law requires the approval of the justice minister and he has yet to approve any cases; rather he's pretty much dropped all the previous cases including the one against Orhan Pamuk. It's a defunct law at this point.
You're confused because the case you linked is a private one where a number of individuals sued Orhan Pamuk (he wasn't fined, he paid compensation). I think that's pretty ridiculous too (and it'll probably be quashed by the same appeals court that insisted it be heard), but it's not a public case, the law you refer to is not in use (and was not used in this case) and it's not a crime to talk about the Armenian genocide or acknowledge it in Turkey (although I'm sure you won't be terribly popular if you do so). That's simply factually wrong.
Adolf Hitler is a smart
As it goes for the decision, the Swedish public along with the media were and are quite uninformed about it. That's why it easy to say that a parliament shouldn't decide upon history. But that's what they didn't this time. Instead they confirmed the result of the academic world:
http://www.folkmordet1915.se/eor_fors_offi_utlat.html
To quote the signatories of the petition back in 2008: "Refusal to recognize established fact based on qualitative and quantitative research may be regarded as being tantamount to denial. The researchers have done their job in establishing the reality of the Armenian Genocide. Now, the turn has come for the political leaders to fulfill their responsibility by recognizing this calamity for what it was." http://www.itwasgenocide.armenica.org
The crime of genocide is not a historic matter, but highly judicial. It it not the academicians who can make the Turkish State to end its denial policy, but other equal states and governments. That is why the Swedish parliament, along with the other 20 or so other countries, totally correct in their decision to verify the reality of the genocide and calling upon Turkey to ends its denial and revisionism. The Riksdag has done either more or less.
Armenian thesis of genocide is denied by their ancestors themselves!
The ancestors of the Armenians who made their history are the real deniers. As you know, whoever disagree with the Armenian genocide claims are labelled as 'deniers', as 'agents of Turkish government', or 'people hired by the Turkish government' or 'disingenous scholars/authorities' Turkish nationalists', 'Turkish racists'. And, here are the names of Armenians who comply with the these terms:
"Garo Pasdermichan (Pastirmaciyan), the Ottoman deputy of Erzurum and commander of all the Armenian officials and soldiers of the Ottoman Third Army which joined the Russian Army in 1914, was the main denier and Turkish racist. Because, he wrote in his book 'Why Armenia Should Be Free' (Boston, Dec.1918, Hairenik Publishing Company p. 16-17) that annual Congress of Armenian Party Dashnagzoutiun was held in Erzurum in August 1914, before the war broke, and Turkish emissaries offered Dashnaks an autonomous Armenia (made up of Russian Armenia and the three Turkish vilayets of Erzurum, Van and Bitlis) under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire', if they joined the Turkish side and stopped supporting the Russians. He also stated that the executive committee of the Dashnagzoutiun rejected the proposal! The Armenian members of this parley were the well-known publicist E.Aknouni, the representative from Van, A.Vramian, and the director of the Armenian schools in the district of Erzurum, Mr Rostom.
Another main denier was Boghos Noubar Pasha, the Armenian National Delegation President in The Paris Peace Conference 1919 who also stated that the Turks offered them autonomy in August 1914, much before the deportation, but they rejected this proposal and placed themselves without hesitation on the side of the Entente Powers from whom they expected liberation [Papers relating to the foreign relations of the United States The Paris Peace Conference 1919 (United States Government Printing Office, 1948, Vol IV, p 139-157)].
Armenian Boghos Noubar Pasha, who told that '150 000 Armenian volunteers in Russian Army were the only forces against Turks' (Times of London , 1919 Jan 30 Link: http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/10/2013-150-000-armenian-volunteers-in.html) was obviously a denier and agent of Turkish government.
1) Armen Garo Pasdermadjian has never denied the fact about genocide. His son, Hrant Pasdermadjian, was the author of one of the best volumes of Armenian history, in which the genocide was described in detail.
2) Dashnaktsoutyoun rejected the proposal, which was about Eastern Armenians betraying the Russian state:
There remained one significant obstacle to the twin Ottoman ideologies. Even with the hoped-for collapse of Russia, the Christian non-Turkish Armenians were an obvious hindrance, geographically separating the Ottoman Turks from the rest of their Tatar cousins by the Caspian Sea in the Russian Empire, the one chink in the chain of Turanian peoples stretching all the way to Mongolia. The leaders of the Union and Progress Committee first prompted the Armenians to start an armed revolt in Eastern Armenia and Transcaucasia, in return for which they were promised self-governance for Eastern Armenia and the neighbouring areas in Western Armenia after the war. The leadership of the Dashnak party rejected this offer during its Erzurum Congress in August 1914, replying that, in the eventual war between Turkey and Russia, the Armenians were obliged to fight for their respective host country. As Winston Churchill remarked, "the Armenians preferred war, involving killing brothers on two fronts, to the Turkish suggestion of treason against the Russians."*
The Armenian refusal angered the Turkish elite, and once Turkey had joined Germany in the war in October 1914, they decided to rid themselves of the Armenians once and for all. At the beginning of September, Turkey had violently expelled the Norwegian observer, Hoff, thus violating the treaty of February 8, 1914, and emptying Western Armenia of all the representatives of the western major powers and possible witnesses of the events to follow.
2) Poghos Nubar Pasha was one of the main figures of the Armenian movement and the negotiators of the Armenian delegation at different peace conferences. He did everything to ensure the establishment of the Armenian Republic and the unification of Western and Eastern Armenia. He has often been accused by the Turkish side for being a lier and exaggerating the Armenian figures in order to persuade the Entente to support the creation of Armenia according to the borders decided by the Woodrow Wilson arbitration.
So, to sum up, your assertions present a new level of fantasy and are made up information where either you have no clue what the texts you've read are saying, or you're reading very very selectively.
* Winston Churchill, The World Crisis, vol. V, London, 1929, p. 404
If you read something other than propaganda books you would know that there is no such quote!! According to Heath W. Lowry
Washington, D.C.
Political Communication and Persuasion, Volume 3, Number 2 (1985)
Abstract This article traces the history of a purported Adolf Hitler quote which cites the perecent of the world's lack of reaction to the fate of Armenians during the First World War as a justification for his planned extermination of European Jewry in the course of the Second World War. By a detailed examination of the genesis of this quotation the author demonstrates that there is no historical basis for attributing such a statement to Hitler...
The latest British governemeents acceptance that the "blue book", which Armenian claims are based upon, have been declared by the government itself to be a WW1 time propaganda material. Yes you heard it right!
Source: Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. San Francisco Chronicle, December 11, 1983 ***
Source: A.Ozer , THE ARMENIAN-NAZI COLLABORATION IN WW II :
You keep repeating that, but it won't make it undone. The denial of the Armenian genocide is becoming as ridiculous as dismissing the Holocaust. Twenty or even ten years ago, people could question it, wondering "well, the Turks have a point there about "civil war", "traitors", "enemy collaborators", "separatists" etc. But, now days, with the research at hand, it's plain embarrassing to stubbornly just deny facts. Whether you like it or not, the Armenian Genocide is second to the Holocaust the most studied case of genocide in modern times. Give it up. It will hurt less if you make your peace with the bitter truth and accept it.
2. The decision of the Swedish Parliament was wrong, but the government's refusal to follow the law voted in the parliament, no matter wrong or right was a disaster for Swedish democracy and the state first of all. That shows that the parliament is subordinated to the government in reality.
3. It is worth to mention that the association of Armenian organization never cared about human rights record in Armenia now (a brutal dictatorship), never protested against constantly ongoing abuse of Armenians in their motherland, but is eager to criticize Turkey for its 100 years old past.
Vahe Avetian (Armenien)
Someone above has mentioned 1 million dead.. this is not true, turks exterminated not just 1,5 millions Armenians but also 700,000 Pontic Greeks, Assyrians and christian Syrians in total number of victims close to 3 million,
It is impossible to move on without accepting the past. Some people are just too dumb to grasp this simple truth. Sweden just like all of the other civilized countries should condemn such.. well, i really have no words to describe this horrible event.