Lund students in 'slave auction' outrage

What about the millions of people across the world today in the 21st century who are actually being kidnapped, raped and murdered to satisfy the need of the so called 'service industry' today? What is being done about that?

It's nice that you give dumb people a chance to attend the University too!!

Jeez, I thought the Swedes had enough people to hate considering all the Muslim uproar. Wouldn't want to miss a race I guess. Svin Bra (idiots)

Weird, in the US these people would usually be rednecks from the south...in Sweden they're described as "the elite". Fascinating.

@swedejane

Precis! Billy Bob Svensson and Elly May Johansson. YEE HAW! Thems got a real good edumakashun.

Isn't this much ado over nothing? Of course this is meat and potatoes for Aftonbladet where they love this stuff and twists it into something it is not. If this what DO concerns itself with let's abolish the entire sorry DO-institution altogether. Clearly there must be better things to spend our tax money on.

@Syftel Much ado over nothing? What would your reaction have been if they enacted the burning of Jews at their "party"? Well, many more africans were killed or deported during slavery than Jews killed during the holocaust. Both are of course outrageous, but the double standards I am seeing everywhere is just sick.

These kids were just stupid and they should be sanctioned so that they know the gravity of the matter they were laughing at.

Just imagine if they did the same thing with the holocaust. People like Syftfel will be uproar now. The slave trade was the worst thing that Europeans did to Africans as much as they did to the jews.

Will they be allowed to joke about the holocaust? absolutely not. So why should they joke about the slave trade.

@ swedejane

Yes; true, it's fascinating!

As a matter of fact many elites in Sweden are racist, and are consciously racists.

However, most of the ordinary Swedes are unconsciously racists, even though many ordinary Swedish believe that their attitudes have nothing to do with racism. Because of this lack of understanding about racism, there are lot of problems on the political scenes. As soon as, a politician or a person in power says something not in the favour of foreigners, many other politicians, famous people and ordinary people on the political scene or in the media protest about the words. However, when it comes to the daily life, the same Swedes, who protest against racism, are completely racist in the manner and attitude toward foreigners! When they look for apartment, they try to avoid foreign neighbours, when the foreigners apply for jobs, their application would be consider less favourable and thousands of other obstacles for immigrants and refugees.

It's fascinating!

skatty.. spot on

@truthworthy: I would say they are infantile at best, in poor taste at worst. But to involve the slimeball bureacrats at DO only legitimizes what these, low IQ, adolecents were doing, and serves no meaningful purpose, other than to inflame and incite. But this is what you people like, so that you can stir up the racist cauldron, and give fodder to the degenerate fishwrap of record, Aftonbladet. And @skatty, your comment is priceless. You just can't make that up. When I came to the end I had to chuckle. Aren't you glad you can still say what you want in Sweden, no matter how oafish?

@Syftfel

I think my comment has the required price for THELOCAL and the readers of this site! Some people may like my comments and some may not, I respect both kinds.

Anyway, if it chuckle you, then it means that it has an effect on you, may be not necessarily on your brain, but on your muscles, and it's OK for me.

If I'm glad that I can say what I want in Sweden no matter how oafish; I believe in discussion, criticism, argument and listening to different opinions; I have done it wherever I have lived, no matter if freedom of speech has brought me happiness or sadness, death penalty or praise, poverty or wealth.

I wonder how this guy would react to a Spike Lee comedy like Bamboozled. Or a Richard Pryor show.

@swedejane

Of course they are described by the plaintiffs as elite. It wouldn't be as strong or high profile case if they just described them as regular intolerant skåningar.

@skatty

Choosing what neighborhood to live in is not racism. Self chosen segregation is not by itself racism. People tend to want to live with other who share their cultural values, language, and so we get Chinatowns, Little Italy, Rosengård, Ronna, Danderyd...

@ Strongbow

Correct; however, segregation in Sweden has a kind of character special for here. I had some explanation on my old comments. There are segregations in different countries as well.

To make it short, I explain it in this way: segregation in Sweden is not just in big cities, it's also in mid-size cities How such a kind of segregation could be created is interesting.

I am going to exclude the big cities in here and just explain about the mid-size, otherwise it become a long story.

For some 30 years ago, many of mid-size cities in Sweden, especially in north part of the country had problem with low level of population and vast area of empty apartments, mostly owned by municipalities, and it was expensive to keep these apartments. After, mass refugees coming from different parts of the world, the mid-size cities had find a way to solve the problem with empty apartments and rented it to the immigration-board (especially early 90s) without even considering the least social consequences on the city population and the negative effect. The result was high level racism and discrimination, and hate of foreigners! These areas slowly became completely empty from the Swedish renters and just a place for immigrants and refugees. I mean from beginning these areas had been a mix place with some Swedes and lot of empty apartments, which by coming refugees that Swedes left the place.

Hi. I studied in Lund and was member of Helsingkronas Nation.

The hate speech allegation is ridiculous, the nation that has a reputation of being among the foreign-student-friendly ones and my experience confirms that.

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Didn't Prince Harry cause quite the uproar a while back... by wearing a nazi uniform w/ swastika?

And he's a Royal... not some poor redneck!

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what's the world coming to - you can't even have a fancy dress party these days without being called racist

"Yes; true, it's fascinating! "

If you are a non-white person trying to live in Sweden, and you understand that the native people of the land you have chosen grace did not ask you to come, prefer to not have too many people of other races among them, and would like to keep their lands more or less the way it was in the parents time, then why would you arrive expecting people to change for you?

If some dumb kids were a bit insensitive that's one thing, but Swedes don't need to be remeinded with lessons on morals or how to be nice to other people

If you think Swedes are rascist, then leave.

IMHO this article doesn't describe the event clearly in enough in order to judge. It might have been racist, or a just a joke, we cannot decide based on this information.

Also I don't understand why is it racist if someone dresses up as slave in a fancy dress party...

Btw, don't even think of making fun of vampires... I'm comming from Transylvania, and I will sue you ;-)

People need to be able to distinguish between bad taste and actual atrosities that occur around the world every day. I'll give you a hint, how about treating women as slaves and chatel? Look around; you may see what I mean.

Just gies to show u what I always said, despite their belief that they are sophisticated and oh so modern, the average Swede is a tactless rednecked git despite the availability of free education.

so one more time

why do they choose to live here ?

they should be in their own country work for it to make it great and dont play the beggar in white people countryes

they are being ridiculous

they only know complain ,complain and complain

i even think they are even rejected in their own country

because who can like such a parasite ?

@petrasflorin

So dark and black-skinned people are just bad and the light-skinned ones are good? Shows how stupid some people really are. What do most of the criminals around the world have in common? Could it be poverty or the desire to acquire some form of wealth or something in a not so legal way. What about the many nations with large percentages of dark skinned persons who thrive with low crime levels because of good living standards and equality among all people living there. When the light-skinned people go to the country of others and kill their people it is all great in the name of raping them of their possessions. I am sure the amount of Iraqis killed for their own oil pales in comparison to any other haphazard crimes that occur in Europe. And we haven't even started to talk about things like the slave trade!

@Njal

You actually believe people really want to be here? Leaving their families and cultural traditions? You think that if there was some semblance of peace and equality back in the countries of the refugees they would actually even care to come to Sweden? People follow wealth and resources, it is simple as that. And most of them have been robbed of what was rightfully theirs. Africa is the wealthiest continent in terms of natural resources and one of the poorest financially. Why is that? Because Europe stole most of their natural wealth to build their nations. Free natural resources and free labour was the name of the game. Can you imagine flying to a nation, seeing their gold and diamonds, oil, agriculture, animals, etc and saying this would be great to take back home. Then beating them and raping them, making them fear you, forcing them to work for you and taking all of these things and shipping them back to your country Now you have the audacity to think you are better than the average African. People whom you have down trodden for centuries in the name of greed and have no form of empathy for their pain and struggles. How repugnant!

Does anyone even understand that making fun of something as serious as that, that has destroyed the lives of millions over time. A crime so bad that is has robbed people of their future. A person I know recently made a joke about a Japanese guy and how he must be radioactive. Is that how you people think? That things like that are funny? People's pain an suffering is far from a joke no matter how silly it may seem. Would you joke about the painful death of a loved one from a disease or accident? Think people, think! Don't be as cold as the Swedish winter.

@ petrasflorin do something useful with you life. Life is so short to spare on hate. Enjoy your life, because soon it will be over! Don't try to change the world. As for the racists, i have my mouth for them. I don't spare racists at all. I use my mouth to make them look mean. I have embarassed a lot of people here in Sweden, and I will keep on embarasing more.

I think that Swedes who are racists (and that would be majority of population) should leave Sweden.

Many swedes are racist and don't even realize it. They all like to say that they believe in equality and fairness but it's just repeating what they've been told again and again.

I've heard a lot of swedes make racist jokes, use terms like svartskalle, jävla invandrare, and even jävla n#ger. I've heard many swedes say they would never live in areas with lots of immigrants, think it's better to hire swedes than immigrants etc.

The people I've heard say things like that ranged from a Lund educated teacher, to local factory workers and everything in between. They then go on to state that they aren't racist. It always leaves me scratching my head. It's like they don't even hear what they say.

@ ccb

"You actually believe people really want to be here?"

- yes, in droves in fact.

"You think that if there was some semblance of peace and equality back in the countries of the refugees they would actually even care to come to Sweden?"

- well they came thru' plenty of other peaceful countries before they ever arrived in Sweden, so I guess yeah, refugees would care to leave their homes.

"People follow wealth and resources, it is simple as that."

- absolutely agree

"Africa is the wealthiest continent in terms of natural resources and one of the poorest financially. Why is that? Because Europe stole most of their natural wealth to build their nations."

- question: would that have been possible if Africans had been united against Europeans? You make it sound as if Africans themselves were all friendly with one another, and no, wasn't white people's fault.

I understand full well that most Africans are good people and are not responsible for all the bs happening there since time began, but so too most Europeans are not 'rabid slav-owning rascists' with superiority complexes, may I suggest you do something about that particular misconception.

"Then beating them and raping them, making them fear you, forcing them to work for you and taking all of these things and shipping them back to your country"

- nope, never done any of those things, nor am I friendly with anyone who has.

" Now you have the audacity to think you are better than the average African."

- I don't think I'm better than anyone, mate it's called being 'fed up'. Your whole guilt trip is totally miusplaced, and I suspect you've just finished watching 'Blood Diamond', so try your bleeding heart routine elsewhere thanks.

Sounds like the PC police are blowing this up way out of proportion as usual.

Slavery was a historic reality. Get over it.

Amazing stupidity on the part of the students--finding amusement in human suffering.

But even more amazing how many racists here rush to defend them. The lack of apology for same is unbelievably disheartening in this day and age. At least there is an underlying sense of defensiveness in their posts--as well there should be. Grow up, folks: children believe in broad generalizations. Adults acquire more sophisticated critical faculties.

I wonder if those people defending those students would feel the same way if they were having a party selling 8 year old kids to paedophiles?

Students behave inappropriately at parties. Bears poo in woods, and the Pope is a Catholic.

Is the Swedish press going to treat us to detailed reports of students' drunken shenanigans from now on? They will have to make the newspapers bigger to fit them it in.

Take a powder the National Afro-Swedish Association. Prove to us you have something better to do than persecute idiot drunken students.

"In the early sixties, when the Americans began to get involved in Vietnam, I discovered the headline in the European Times: "50 Americans murdered! 200 commies exterminated!" Here a decisive difference manifests itself: For the author of the headline, the Americans had legitimate presence, but not the "commies." Their destiny did not matter; they were not murdered but simply "exterminated." This also implies: Ethical involvement does not extend beyond one's own sphere of social belonging." -- Humberto Maturana

Bottom line is

what those students done was absolutly wrong.

Those that have any degree of doubt are just as bad if not worse than those.

What if they were mocking Hitler & the Jews......yeah i get it most of u would wrong them.

CCB u r correct

Njal u talk through the Crack of urs......................... were have you been i wonder

it has nothing to do with africa being united or NOT united,its obvious thats ur excuse for the atrocities,due to the Africa not being united............listen to ur self ....... ,u cant exclude the benefits TRILLIONS of people have benifited from slavery - Sweden included.

here goes the censorship again

what ever you say will be not "adjusted " to the anty racist standards

those are what rule us

and as long the non white people became a majority in sweden and in europe is gonna be worst

we then will be the slaves (if there are any whites by that time )

so as a future slave i will star to think what my rights ( if any ) wil can i demand

have you seen the planet of the apes ?

we will see it whithout going to the movies in about 20 years

What has kidnapping rape & killing got to do with slavery?

Slavery was not & never has been confined soley to Africa, slaves were taken by differing tribes in Europe & across the world.

If they are not happy with our country then go & sort out their own.

As for the "elite" (don't make me larf)they are just the usual, normal parasitic layabouts who have not yet evolved into something resembling mankind.

@jimthat

There are some apes in the zoo that have demonstrably more intelligence than you. In 20 years you will have just evolved beyond the amoebae state that you currently have aspired to

Whatever side of the fence you are on, this should seem pretty dumb and offensive IMO.

Dressing up in blackface is just blatantly racist.

As an American, I object to the term "Redneck" in comments here. Not all of us are rednecks. Some of us are white trash, good ole boys, yuppies, crackers and honkies.

And since I'm a former Brit, I don't want to hear "Limey," either. My uncle in the RN would take offense, (Or I would on his behalf, to show solidarity), and it's clearly an unspoken allegation of rum, sodomy and the lash.

I also lived in Canada and find "eh" offensive. I never met anyone who usaid, "Eh," and find it a derogatory stereotype.

My wife is 1/8 Cherokee, so I don't want to hear any comments about casinos or dances.

Or we could just all grow the @!#$ up and accept that sometimes, a joke falls flat, and no real harm was intended.

BTW, since my wife is 1/8 Cherokee, that makes me a Slapaho.

Agree with @technoviking, dressing up as blackface is explicitly racist. People figured that out a long time ago. Sweden is not a non-racist country, and I can attest to that. Because they believe in political neutrality doesn't suddenly mean racism doesn't occur. Its all lipservice. If they cared about racism, then something will come out of this.

Will something come out of this? I expect not. Because its apparently a "non-issue". Theres a difference between a non-issue, its an IGNORED issue, and all the RACIAL SLANDER that is occurring on these message boards speaks to the RACISM and XENOPHOBIA that still strongly resides in Sweden.

Its disgusting and horrific.

Xenophobia is more rampant in Sweden than I have felt out of all the places I've been in Europe, west and eastern europe. I would NEVER come back to live Sweden. To everyone out there, if you can leave ... leave, because this mentality is only going to get worse.

Race is not a non-issue. This is NOT being blown out of proportion; for the same reason you dont make fun of the holocaust, or 9/11, or the war in the middle east. Its all lipservice until there is a public apology (which there wont be).

And to @Njal "You make it sound as if Africans themselves were all friendly with one another, and no, wasn't white people's fault". Who do you think drew the boarders of these countries? Colonialists from the West. Did they take into account the ethnic borders that already existed? No. They are a large cause to the segregation that occurred there in order for them to claim the best land and efficient trade routes.

Makes me sick. I look forward to leaving.

@ccb The reason Africa is so poor with so many natural resources is because their own black dictators stole the money and resources from the people. The African wealth is in the Swiss bank accounts of the dictators and deposed dictators.

Njal writes: If you are a non-white person trying to live in Sweden, and you understand that the native people of the land you have chosen grace did not ask you to come, prefer to not have too many people of other races among them, and would like to keep their lands more or less the way it was in the parents time, then why would you arrive expecting people to change for you? If some dumb kids were a bit insensitive that's one thing, but Swedes don't need to be remeinded with lessons on morals or how to be nice to other people.

If you think Swedes are rascist, then leave. Racist bull crap! The syntax of "chosen grace" is unclear. Ethically this is radically anti-Kantian and anti-Christian (I am not a Christian).

The slave auction behavior was in poor taste, Nothing more. The idea of belonging to two countries, Afro-Swedish, is somewhat confusing. And slavery still is thriving in Africa. African Blacks sold their own people to White dealers on the coast centuries ago. And they are still selling slaves. Don't take history out of context. Whites have nothing to feel guilty about.

@Robert C. Anderson.

Afro- Swedes are Swedish nationals who are of African parentage, either from immigrants or by adoption, Just as you have Caribbean British and African Americans.

Theses people are as Swedish as any other student at Lund

Just because slavery is still rife in Africa does not make it OK to make sick jokes. It the brainless students and equally brainless supporters like you who are taking history out of proportion.

@Robert C. Anderson

You are 100% right, but this guy also has the right to be pissed off over something that's been done in very poor taste at his expense. There isn't any political statement or meaning other than pure racist mockery.

If the Islamic Student Association had a 9/11 party I'd be a bit "peeved"... No one should expect silence from black people as a reaction to crap like this. Nor is the world ending, obviously.

"some of the best educated in Sweden"

No doubt, because they are being groomed to become the 'Rich, Out of Touch Elite' of the future. Integration and empathy are PC and compulsory for the working classes, but the world's wealthy lookout for number one, first, last, and always.

Racism is when you make choices I don't like. If I make the same choice I'm only being discerning.

"All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -- Lord Acton

tx Rick M and technoviking. all this blathering about how people who don't like it can leave and where slavery still exists etc obfuscates the 2 basic facts: 1) blackface is racist, and 2) it's hypocritical to start out waving the freedom-of-speech banner then turn right around and try to shut up people who have every right to say they're offended

@Michiganlady- If Rick M and Technoviking do that will Sweden become as nice of a place for white Swedes to live as Detroit or the caliphate of Dearborn? Perish the thought.

#50 do what? and 1) Dearborn has some fine folk, 2) Detroit is a cool place to visit, and 3) there's a hell of a lot more to Michigan than the Detroit metropolitan area. so what's your point?

@Michigan lady- sure nothing wrong with Detroit, everybody get with MichiganLady for the Midnight walking tour. Bring your body armour, but be advised the Local People don't see any problems, whatsoever.

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Shame on the albinos

@RobertCAnderson

Africa is not a country.

@RobertCAnderson

Africa is not a country

This is disgraceful for Sweden.

Why the out rage?I am a black American man and I am not offended at all.I think that this is small time entertainment with a few college students.Looks like Jesse Jackson and Jallow and TOBM don't have thick skin.Looks like these three black men have an "axe to grind"wiith Sweden and the white race but not the Arab slave traders and owners.The Arabs were more brutal than the white slave traders/owners.The Arabs would castrate young boys as young as eleven years old and then use the castrated young men and boys to guard over their harems.