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Since the government introduced fees for non-EU students last year, many of Sweden’s prominent universities have seen a significant drop in the interest from international students.
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I am not surprised at all that the number of applicants dropped by 50%. Now let's see how many people show up and actually pay the fees. I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 20% of the ones who got accepted. If true, this means the number of non-EU students will drop to one tenth of what it used to be.
Game over.
my dear swedish friends, this is very good news , tuition will be a strong filter.
One thing is certain, if international students stop coming, Swedish unis will have to start accepting local students who were not academically strong enough to gain admission in previous years in order to maintain student levels. This will result in a dumbing-down of the curriculum.
I don't argue if it was bad or good but it has its own problems and advantages. The advantage is the lower expenditure of government and the disadvantage is that less teachers and administrative are needed consequently some staff are fired, less buying from stores,...
@start1
This doesn't affect PHD programs where most of the students are paid as teaching assistants. Sweden is still attractive to these students and the situation for them has not changed.
am I the only one that noticed that The number of international applicants dropped by way more than 50% its closer to 63%
and it isn't programmes but programs
$16,000 per annum <--- is tis per year? what is annum?
if its that per year thats really high
in the U.S more than half of the public colleges charge $9,000 per year for tuition and fees. thats going to cost a lot of extra tax revenue for Sweden.
not to mention all of the tourist type shopping i am sure most of them buy as well..seems like a bad idea on Sweden's part, I get charging students but almost double of what they can pay ( at least in the states) is way crazy
Agreed! But there are some points that needs to be criticised, dont you think?
First of all the fees are sky high! There is no scholarship system funded to support necessary amount of talented students.
But the bottom line is there is no free lunch! And besides the vast majority of the foreign students lacked the quality to contribute any academic research or Swedish industry. So good think that they wont show up next year.
Until one day Swedish universities get into top 30 then maybe students will come again....
Now they are attracting less competitive international students who have money to pay for the tuition fee... that's why the admission is drop because the schools don't have much choice anymore.
The real mistake (to me) with this decision, is that companies will start outsourcing/going out of business due to loss of workforce, which will make even less tax and continue on this downward spiral. Had the fees been much lower (like other mainland European countries) there might have been a shot.
Those that are for this new change are probably no where near a university to see how much it has negatively affected them. You will find that out soon when companies start moving out of Sweden due to no workforce.
I have never heard so much BS in my life. Being a graduate myself from Linkoping in Applied physics and MBA from LBS, old McK paid equal importance to both degrees and yes i did spend 4 years working there. Moreover they spend considerable time assessing your analytical skills which can pretty much be obtained from any recognized university of which there are 5/6 in sweden.
I also got a job offer from Shell straight after physics, so unless you have an educated story to come up with spare the powder dude.
DUDE!
It's already difficult to get a job in Sweden, less work-force would be awesome. I could get a job more easily. Stop talking crap. Sweden won't have insufficient workforce. Have you looked at the unemployment rate?
You are talking about a different workforce. I am talking about high tech industries, work that actually needs university education to be able to get. Without a master program who will make it there? Not talking about jobs that don't require university education.
I think that is a pretty straightforward argument. Hard to see why you missed it. I guess you are probably just frustrated with not finding a job. Try getting a master degree, I don't know anybody who has one and doesn't have a well paying job.
why don't you give a proposal to EU parliament to make a fence around Europe?!
@planet.sweden
The budget for outside EU students until last year was 500 million kronor each year. if 5 million swedes pay taxes, it would be 100 kronor for each of them each year. this year the budget has dropped to 30 million kronor for scholarships for outside EU students. so you personally have saved 93 kronor this year. good for you man :)
To every one else: the facts in this news has been written for you in a way that you think the numbers have dropped by 50%. But these numbers are about Uppsala University. not all swedish universities in general. the real numbers are here:
http://www.thelocal.se/32120/20110218/
"he number of applications from outside the EU, Nordic countries and Switzerland fell from 132,000 last year to 31,400 this year, of which only 5,662 of them have paid the registration fee of 900 kronor, according to the Swedish Agency for Higher Education Services"
It means that the number of applicants have dropped by 77% and the number of admitted has dropped by 65%.
Now there is a very dirty fact in these numbers. the fact is that the number of applicants who paid the application fee ( 5662 according to the old news after the international deadline) and the number of students who got an admission (6903 according to today's news) are equal!!! this means that the universities had to accept ALL of the applicants who had payed the application fee! because they don't have enough students.
Now for those who think that this new law will bring excellency to their country's universities: last year only 15% of applicants were admitted (20000 out of 131000). this year almost 100% of the applicants who were qualified and paid the application fee! Congratulations!!
Programmes is the correct spelling in UK, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian and Caribbean English.
Per annum means per year.
@jan.petras
I agree with gorgepir, although unemployment may be somewhat high, Sweden like many other countries have a deficit of highly educated tech individuals, but Sweden seems to have a larger portion of tech companies and many of them hire a significant amount of foreign students and extra-EU nationals, look at Ericsson for example. In my specialisation courses at KTH there was one Swede in a class of only 11 students. Looking around the department out of the 25+ PhD students only 4 are Swedish and almost all the others were previous non-EU Master's students. Most of the PhD projects are funded by Swedish tech companies who need to outsource some of their R&D requirements. I sent out two job applications, two, because I was unsure if I was willing to stay here or not, I got offers from both companies since not many people here studied what I did. Maybe my experiences are isolated I don't know. However, that is what I have encountered.
The fact of the matter is, Sweden SHOULD charge tuition fees, had I been charged adequate tuition fees (circa 6000 euros per annum like most other European countries) I still would have come because the specialisation courses I pursued were quite good. However at twice those fees, I don't think I would have at all.
now think each of these students spent about 6000 kronor in sweden each month and all of this money came from outside sweden and from their home countries. this means that 1 billion and 3 hundred million kronor will not come to sweden's market from outside! ( 6000 kronor each person each month * 18000 drop in students who will attend * 12 months )
not to mention the number of teachers and employees who will lose their jobs for the lack of 18000 students.
And as some pointed out before, many people are coming here just to enter Europe and travel around, not even to study for real.
Sweden will not reap the benefits.
Education is expensive, the students should be expected to pay somewhat.
I don't think the latter case will be affected. But with the decrease in international students, I think the former case would receive a high impact. I would right now speak just for the IT sector, as an example, consider global software development. If these Research and Development centers are later moved to India, China, Pakistan etc. (China and India is already gaining international IT sector's attention), it will have a massive impact on Sweden.
But then again, if a huge number of scholarships are offered by different organizations, which they have already started, the impact of Fee would be drastically reduced. However, Högskolas may still suffer, and may close few of their departments.
It's not the same a master in humanities than a master in biology.
People with technical backgrounds have an easy time to find a job (although is complicated if you don't speak the language)
Do Sweden need teachers for example? yes. Are there a lot of immigrants that have the knowledge? yes. Instead of using them, they don't validate their licenses for example.
Job prospect --- little or no chance in sweden
weather condition -- not good
rating on world stage --- swedish unis not among the best 50 in the world
We want to save money by introducing fees but in the process we are sacrificing brains that could be production and even better the economy.
The reason why Sweden will not benefit from training foreigners is because they will not get any job in Sweden. I have two friend who are doing well professionally in Canada and Norway but were trained in Sweden. They told me they would never have gotten same jobs if they were living in Sweden.
Please Sweden wake up and dont let all the racist with shallow brains blow it for us.
You mean students buy Swedish product (which in this case is knowledge) 6000 Kr a month.
The 6000 Kr is the payment for accommodation, literature, clothes and other necessities but not for teacher and the use of facilities (University), which is paid by tuition.
I think you are considering that 6000 Kr/month comes directly in the country, and that 6000 Kr is not available anymore without the foreign students. Don't forget that accommodation, literature, clothes and … have a price and what actually should be considered is if there is any other buyer for these products when there is not foreign students; I think there is, especially in big cities many local students are looking for rooms. Now, the other question is if it worth to sell knowledge with or without a price (tuition). In this case, it would worth for the foreign student to come and get a degree in Sweden; otherwise, it should be a compression between different universities to consider the best price.
In here, I just consider money matters, and not anything else, because you just considered money, (of course students usually consider different matters and not just money for their education; like quality, cultural, linguistic, environmental, historical matters and …).
Now, if Sweden believes that their Universities worth and are in the same level of the most famous Universities in EU, then there should not be any problem to get enough non-EU students with a reasonable tuition compared with other Universities after more than a decade of existence of international programs in different Swedish Universities; otherwise, the conclusion would be the only reason that Sweden could get a large number international students has been the cheapness of the education and not the other qualities!
Another thing is that due to Sweden's education system structure the incremental cost is for providing 'free' tuition to all students is not terribly high compared with other more capitalistic systems. A university with 15 000 students of which 1000 are from non-EU countries still has to provide facilities for 14 000 Swedes and other European students. There may be a need for a few more administrative staff members and maybe a few professors, however the bulk of the tax payer's money still goes towards EU students, where of course it should. Even the offer of courses in English is no significant challenge since Swedes are well versed in English and most, if not all members of teaching and administrative staff are highly capable of communicating in both English and Swedish so no highly selective extra staff recruitment would be necessary to accomodate incoming non-EU students. Historically most countries who have offered free tuition to non-nationals have done so because the balance books favoured such a move. No one should be fooled into thinking it was done out of pure goodwill. It was just something that could be done easily and cost-effectively with great benefits since more international students boasted study environment along with international ratings, brought in foreign money and knowledge at minimal cost. However, in recent years the balance sheets haven't been looking so favourable I am sure, so many moved towards fees that would in most cases cover extra administrative and material cost. However, none towards the absurdly high fees sought by the Swedish institutions. So maybe Sweden has some other plans on the way. Who knows.
I'm looking for a PhD in Sweden and still doubtful about my decision.
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