May 26, 2012
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Stockholm politicians are arguing that the city’s cyclists be allowed to run red lights and cycle against one-way traffic in order to avoid congestion and improve the situation for those who chose to travel by bicycle.
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What an idiotic legal argument.
The answer they seek is a simple one. Ban all non commercial purpose vehicles from the centre of Stockholm.
Great idea, so pretty much if I have a day where I have to be at 5 different meetings all within the current congestion zone all in the same day, I can't do that anymore because I'll have to commute from meeting to meeting by some other means than a car. So I'll have to cut down on my productivity, along with everyone else, which will in turn have other consequences.
I agree with the increase in the congestion fee. Make it an even 100SEK a day, with unlimited ins and outs. And charge the cyclists too...they cause congestion because people are so damn afraid they're gonna run them over they drive super slow and don't dare pass them.
Wonder if this has anything to do with the congestion charge too.
As for the idea of, an I quote "There is a risk that people ignore the rules anyway, and then it is better to make it legal in an orderly fashion." Why can the same idiotic mentality not be used for us poor car drivers aswell? Bugger it I will start ignoring red lights and hopefully in the future they will make that legal in an orderly fashion too.
I read a comment on here yesterday related to the congestion charge and someone was bitching on about how annoyed they were at people with SUV and big expensive cars had the audacity to do so. Bet they were a pedal pushíng militant cyclist. How more cyclists are not killed on the streets of Stockholm is beyond me.
Why not introduce a cycle test before you are allowed to ride on the road. A car driver has to pass a test and abide by the laws of the road. If a cyclist choses to use the road too they should also abide by the laws of the road and sit a test.
Double standards as normal.
Stockholm is a green city. Have you not heard of public transport? It's cheap and highly convenient. More so than than driving around in a car for five meetings as you say and less pollutive by a long chalk.
If you consider that using such will cut down on productivity, then you must be either unable to grasp the fundaments of efficiency or have no legs.
As a professional driver with over 20 years in logistics (FedEx, UPS), it does no good to allow cyclists free reign, I ride as well so I can foresee the danger in such a notion.
If anything, cyclists should have to take a road safety course, just like a golfer needs a special card in order to play on a Swedish golfcourse, or just as a potential employee needs to take practical on the job training and competency in order to be hired on.
The suggestion to have cyclists run red lights, is against what Swedes have established in 'the-way-things-are', so to speak.
Discourage cars, for the opposite reasons.
Cyclists are easily damaged and need protection from cars and lorries.
Banning all vehicles would include bikes [A vehicle (from Latin: vehiculum) is a device that is designed or used to transport people] - Plowbridge!
Whatever else red lights do they slow down traffic, generally to allow intersections to flow traffic with the least possibility of accident.
So, superbiker, rips through the city at 50+ kpm...and every1 else just stops an stares or are they too busy picking up the bits from the accident superbiker caused to others?
Hogwash.Twaddle - and other such inofensive ways of commenting upon absurdity.
My late grandmother who didn't have a drivers license drove better than any Stockholm Swede......and that is the problem. Swedes don't use mirrors, don't use indicator light, and drive through red all the time.
While the solution is very simple.....just tell them they have to behave according to the rules. It helped for speeding....Swedish drivers obey max.speed rules tremendously well.
As long as the swedish police is not willing to start fining car drivers in town nothing will help making Stockholm safer for bikes, not new rules, not extra bike lanes.
Another issue is looking at problem intersections where the bike signal takes 2-3 minutes - this is just too much of a temptation for cyclists to ride through.
Finally, I think both motorists and cyclists need to be hit with heavy fines for using their mobile phone while driving.
Excellent argument sir...for legalizing marijuana...and pretty much any other victimless "crime".
@Stickeroo - you talk about productivity and driving between five different meetings in a day. As a Stockholm resident I'm willing to bet that the time you spend looking for a parking space for each of those meetings completely eclipses any "perceived" gain in efficiency. Besides which, why not hop into a taxi and expense the company that must be the most efficient use of time.
The reason, I'm guessing is that you're wedded to your car and politicians should do their best to drag dinosaurs like you into the new millennium.
...and yes I am a car owner/user, I just choose to use it on that rare occasion I need to drive my family of six to the archipelago.
Theoretically your last paragraph is right....practically it couldn't be further from the truth.
I don't know where Swedes get their car drivers licencse but it think as gift in a box of corn flakes. And as I said before, the police doesnot want to (far whatever reason) fine people so the situation gets worse.
I cycle through red lights very often, and I think most experienced cyclists do. It is much more dangerous, waiting for green not looking and just go. The chance is 50 % that some swede next to you makes a right turn without signaling and looking in his mirror. For me driving trough red is a personal safety precaution.
I bike through town centers since when I was 5 years old, and have biked in many different countries, such as the south of Italy.....only now in Stockholm I started wearing a helmet.
Italians will push you of the road, nut at least they see you. Swedes have a completely random behaviour in traffic and the only reason not more accidants happen is that the other swedes in traffic are just as slow as them.
And you think this because? I think no cyclist thinks he is immortal....it would be pretty stupid to do.
@farnoxo, nice rant but you are completely wrong, not unexpected seeing you don't write down any proof for any of your statements.
Swedish cyclist indeed are often a bit sleepy, just like there fellow countrymen who drive a car. But when you don't pay attention as a cyclist it is your own problem, when you don't pay attention as car driver you endanger the lives of the people around you.
Did you know that people in stockholm forget to signal when they are turning in 95 % of the cases
As a pedestrian I want to not be hit by cyclists that never stick to cycle lanes anyway.
No we like to bike on the sidewalk because it so nice and full of pedestrians. Me personally I can bike to work in 20 minutes if I use bikelanes but I choose to only use sidewalks (which makes my ride to work 1 hour long) just because I like to be close to pedestrians.
Please post only normal comments.
It is the cornerstone for safe driving the world over - crazy proposal.
Banning cars - dont people knwo how much motorists contribute to taxation.
This seems to be the case in every major city I have been to, NYC, Amsterdam, New Orleans, Toronto, etc. I am not sure where this sense of entitlement comes from. When biking one has to remember even if you have the right of way, it is you that are going to be killed/seriously injured by a collision. I have seen two people get killed by collisions with cars because of this sense of entitlement (in both situations the cyclist was at fault). It just does not seem worth it to me, and I dont see how legalizing this type of behavior will make this any better.
Initially there will likely be quite a lot of carnage, but once the cyclists have been virtually wiped out, it will make life so much easier for everyone else.
"And you think this because? I think no cyclist thinks he is immortal....it would be pretty stupid to do."
Actually there are those with a strong death wish as well. If you don't know why, you probably aren't driving a car - ever.
Your are talking rubbish.
And yes I drive a car. But contrary to you I got my license in a country where it actually means something, so not in the US or Sweden.
This guy didn’t stop – apart from casting a brief glance over his shoulder, and muttering an oath at me. So, yeah – let cyclists do as they please: the car drivers already do. Should cut down the number of pedestrians in Stockholm – its too dangerous!
I had the same, however I was lucky, just managed to move out the way and then pushed him off and kicked and bent his rear wheel. I feel the cyclists feel they have right of way anyway and complete disregard to pedestrians crossing the road.
You're nuts if you think that many cyclists don't act as if they're immortal. You may be an exception, but the sheer numbers of cyclist flying through red lights, not looking before they cross and not watching out for cars is evidence enough against your argument. Most people commenting here also seem to disagree with you on this point as well.
Suggesting that they allow cyclists to not obey the same traffic laws as everyone else is just asking for more accidents to happen. A better solution would be to add more bike lanes and paths.
I agree with the suggestion above as well that people should have to take a course and get a bike license before being allowed on roads. Most bikers seem to have no idea how to behave safely.
I've seen pedestrians hit multiple times by bikers while they were on a sidewalk and bikes run into cars because they weren't paying attention. I've also seen multiple crashes involving two bikes because people didn't know which side they should go towards on the path when encountering another cyclist or who should yield at intersections etc. All this is basic stuff that could be covered in a little course.
"Your are talking rubbish."
No knowing of the things I speak of and therefore not having them in the mind, always, probably is the main cause behind most accidents.
It matters little to the dead who was legally in the right at the time of the collision.