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Saab parent company Swedish Automobile has signed an agreement to sell 50.1 percent of the shares in its property arm for 255 million kronor ($40 million), providing much needed cash for the crisis-hit Swedish car maker.
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Looking your comments over time I am sure that a lot surprises you about business and the world in general.
Please fasten your seat belt. More surpsises from SAAB (all good) on the way.
Also, if you are feeling faint, please use oxygen mask which will automatically deloy. (smile)
**fingers crossed**
Nice to see you still feel confident enough to trot out the completely unqualified '20 years of failing to make a profit' line. Saves the rest of us from needing to determine any further the credibilty of your opinions.
Spare us having to explain the circumstances pertaining to that little nugget and go and do some research.
Rather than throw mud, if you want to refute the statements made, why not use hard evidence showing that Saab has turned a profit for the past 20 years instead.
The only profits Saab has made has been to sell off assets ... but at no point has the company been able to sell enough cars to keep it afloat.
I'll think you will find Saab have a history of pulling rabbits from hats.
Ok, I'll spell this one out because I am in a good mood and so we can all stop dragging this same tired old mud through the house.
It made little financial sense for a multi-national like GM for Saab to turn a profit in Sweden. Best shift their losses to a high taxation country such as Sweden whilst utilising both Saab's engineering and design resources for their own needs. Not to mention the multitude of Saab projects shelved, delayed or cancelled to make way for Opel/Alfa Romeo/Cadillac, etc. Ever wonder why the 9-5 was so late on the scene (even before the '08 events), the softroader 9-3X the last to the softroader ball and why the 9-3 replacement still not with us. If Saab had used even half its available resources and expertise on its own vehicles, who knows what the real profit and loss/sales figures may have been. Not easy to tend to your own chores when you are busy developing ill-fated ventures like the Cadillac BLS on your own budget...
The Saab of today faces a tough challenge ahead for many reasons but a regurgitated, unqualified media quote is not one of them. **Fingers crossed** indeed.
I think you are in a bit of a dreamworld i'm afraid.
Those sound more like excuses than causing factors.
This is the perfect example of the phrases "throwing away good money after bad" or "flogging a dead horse..."
The new deals just delay the inevitable by a few more weeks...
Did I mention anything regarding the current state of play? Did I state any likelihood of future success? No. I simply debunked the oft-quoted line with some hard evidence, as requested. Not everything is as straightforward as it seems.
I shall keep my personal opinion of the future for Saab as I see it for another occasion. Your opinions, whilst not necessarily incorrect are completely irrelevant to the conversation. Back to the paddlesteamer Billy; the boiler's gone out.
How exactly does your above statement refute that Saab hasn't made a profit from selling cars for the past 20 years?
While other things may have happened in terms of management, the fact still remains that Saab hasn't made a profit in 20 years, doesn't have the sales of 120000 units per year which many believe is needed just to break even or the capital to reach this new dream you talk about.
Again I hope we don't see the Swedish tax payer ending up having to bank roll and loose what so far has clearly been a lost cause. As that's not what Swedish taxes are for.
My statement does not refute that Saab hasn't made a profit from selling cars for the past 20 years, my statement refutes the use of the fact by punters in reference to the scenario both today and into the future. It's just not relelvant.
Saab may well never turn a profit, but referring Saab's history under GM ownership to Saab now as some kind of barometer holds no water. The outcome may likely be the same but the reasons will be very different.
I don't indulge in dreams and have not put forward anything other than readily available information.
I hope this hair-splitting clarification resolves this matter.
If any of you can read russion or chinese, just read the Russian and Chinese news outlets. The Kalingrad SAAB factory looks like going ahead, as does a state of the art Chinese factory. With that level of output, Trollhättan will be very surplus to requirements.
The name for this move is asset stripping. Swedish assets are being used to build Russian and Chinese facilities. It looks like that was the end aim regarding the Spyker purchase.
The Swedish government and GM favouring Spyker and its interesting backers, instead of Von Koensegegg should be explained in light of recent developments.
Also a serious look needs to be taken at who actually holds the SAAB automobile patent rights in all this, as asset stripping is clearly taking place.
With regard the following:
"Also a serious look needs to be taken at who actually holds the SAAB automobile patent rights in all this, as asset stripping is clearly taking place"
I am afraid you will find that Saab had very limited patent rights globally. Inventions were too expensive to protect so most of what was invented went into the public domain.
Also, in return for providing a license to GM, Saab received a license back to GM's world-wide patent portfolio. As a result I am not sure the asset stripping claim will withstand much scrutiny.