Published: 13 Jul 11 15:57 CET | Print version
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Anti-abortionists from the youth movement "Älska livet"(literally “Love life”), the youth branch of pro-life organisation "Ja till livet" ("Yes to Life"), are recruiting children by asking them to sign a petition to get a glass of juice, according to details in a report in Swedish daily Dagens Nyheter (DN).
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Most interesting to me about this whole abortion debate is how the most forceful groups against abortion are christian religious groups despite the fact that the Bible says NOTHING about abortion. In fact if I read it right, it seem that the Bible does not even recognize the rights of new borns until they have lived at least 1 month.
Forcing their wacko beliefs down children's throats is way out of order.
Individual choice and freedom is the most basic part of a free and fair society. If these people are so against abortion then fair enough, they don't have to have terminations themselves.
Christians (and I am one) forget that God is pro choice and then pro life, He does not force anything on anybody!. God is a choose life person, not a hard liner either way so we should logically follow!
I agree with Grand Master, that forcing wacko beliefs down children's throats is way out of order, but I may disagree with what are considered "wacko" beliefs. If its a baby at conception, then wouldn't killing it for convenience could be a wacko thing to do? Is it possible that the conventional wisdom is wrong?
Well, just something that bothers me, obviously people can disagree with this :)
The bible has plenty of killing that is not condemned, God even wipes out Jobe's family as a demonstration of .........who knows what
When life isn't the issue, the issue is only the time frame when it is legal. Perhaps abortion should be legal only from 14-18 years. That way the mother will know she is not making a mistake.
Recruiting children is unethical, particularly when they are enticing/bribing with free drinks. What questions do they ask? Things like 'sign this petition if you disagree with babies being ripped apart and killed?' Who WOULDN'T sign this? How can you couch abortion in child friendly language? You CANNOT. I am sure they do not ask 'If you were brutally raped... If your father was having sex with you... If you were living on the streets..." This is a complex, individual, case-by-case issue and cannot be 'sanitised' for children unless there is a nefarious agenda behind it.
And all of this achieved without parental knowledge or consent? Disgusting. Not to mention the gathering of personal information that can easily be sold.
Abortion = Individual choice of the lady concerned,
Short and to the point and for me correct.
calebian22, don't you mean "Thou shall not MURDER"?
That said, calebian22, your quote does NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to "COVERING IT"!
To "murder" someone, they have to have been born. I believe this to be a FACT.
If it is your OPINION that life begins at conception, then yes "YOU" would view it as murder - but science, the Bible, society, and even other belief systems ALL do not agree with you. You would IMPOSE your OPINION on all these other people?
As I said, the Bible says nothing about abortion being murder. I find it interesting that the anti-abortion group will claim it is a religious directive to save these "souls". Yet the Bible does not even say when the "soul" enters the body. I have seen the reference of the soul entering the body on the first breath, "the breath of life", and I have seen religious fundamentalists trying to argue the soul being created at conception - but the Bible says nothing definitive. This is assuming that we even have a soul!
Frankly, I do not care what the Bible says because there are so many other religious beliefs not to mention non-religious beliefs.
The fact that these anti-abortion religious nut-jobs think that women do not agonize over such a decision shows the depth of their ignorance of abortion. If a woman chooses to get an abortion, there IS a reason for it and NO-ONE has a right to interfere with her choice.
repat_xpat, abortion IS "simply a personal choice of the woman" so the schools are teaching FACT.
I am not aware that Swedish schools teach that there are "no moral implications". You just made that up right? I have heard they mention what an agonizing decision it is for the woman.
For that matter, what "MORAL" implications are you referring to? If it is religiously based morality, then YES, the schools should NOT be talking about "the moral implications". If you are talking about the agony that the woman has to go through to arrive at this decision, then YES, there are some moral implications.
As colombianska_tjej pointed out, what about discussing the moral implication of NOT ABORTING?
As for signing up people without their knowledge - (American immigration questions) - Have you ever been a member of the Communist part or ever joined a radical organization? -- No I have not. -- Then why is your name on this membership list? -- Um, because they were offering free drinks?