Norway terror suspect member of Nazi web forum: advocacy group

It is the leftists he was after. What a relief for the moslims. There are crazy people in all ideologies and religions. In this case, capital punishment is the answer, don´you think? Hey, 93 dead and dozens injured, just remember that.

I bet he also read PI.

Well, we have handful of racist Islamophobes who peiodically comment here in thelocal forum too. Maybe he was here too.

There is nothing in Islam or Muslim who encourage terrorism and taking away innocent Lives. I am a Muslim and i condemn every blast regardless of where-ever it happens and took innocent lives. My deep condolence to all the innocent Norwegian died in this terrorist attack :(

Ofcourse muslims were the first suspects, people naturally think it was extremist muslims the moment it happened because it has been the case for the past 20 years in the world.

just like christians are thought of when a gun nut shoots tons of people or someone abuses a child.

if the common thing is bob the lollypop thief to be stealing lollypops, when someone steals a lollypop everyone looks at bob the lollypop thief. if bob the lollypop thief doesnt want to always be blamed for something he always does then maybe he should stop stealing the damm lollypops and change his name to just bob.

what happened in norway is so out of purpose and senseless that people cant come up with an explanation that would justify someone doing such an act of terror, muslims stop acting like victims what happened isnt related to muslims except as far as usual suspects go, but now people know so lets move on.

Do like us foreigners in any country in the world who get blamed for anything bad happening to the country we are in, so long u didnt do it, move on.

Not in Norway Grokh, not in Norway. Straight away I suspected it wasn't muslim terrorists, what incentive do they have in attacking Norway?

Really sad statement on the poison of racism., it is so black and malignant that it will actually make a Norseman (who seem to be so clan oriented) turn on their own blood to the point of mass murder....and you racist posters on here, BE HONEST! Your first thought was that it was the Muslims. What a surprise that it was one of your own who murdered innocent Norwegian children from his own race and probably bloodline, under the guise of Nazi hate propaganda. Open your eyes!!!!!! Terrorism, insanity, injustice, crime, disgrace,ignorance, stupidity, hatred etc. knows no race, color, creed demographics or bloodline. It can be nurtured in anyone, anywhere. That is the truly frightening thing.

why is everyone so surprised that the world thought it was a muslim terrorist? It's kind of their modus operandi, bombs and innocent deaths. What happened was terrible, to gloat over the fact that the majority was incorrect in blaming muslims is pathetic. Try thinking of the victims instead of being one.

@irridium,

simply because the WORLD doesn't think the way you do!!! smart ***

my deep condolences to the families and to norway, no innocent person deserve such a crime, and to the "terrorism experts" who were so happy yesterday to show us their knowledge and to throw their hate on " the religion of terrorism"" as they almost call it : i want to tell them im sorry for you but dont be sad there are surely other opportunities to come up for you guys...

The lefties have got to take their share of the blame for this.

@Onnund true first thing i thought was why would anyone attack norway.

but it was the first thing i thought after the stockholm bombing.

but then again why would anyone attack anywhere , these/those people need either to get laid or a hobby really :S

@unseen, don't be silly. Everyone was thinking it, even if they don't admit for fear of not being politically correct.

As a Muslim I am with people of norway and urge you to believe on Jesus teachings

The answer to violence is more democracy, more openness, but never naive.

@Grokh I'm actually not sure if that was what I was thinking when Sweden was bombed. From the little I know about Sweden and Norway Sweden is quite different, but yeah nobody should bomb anywhere.

@Irriduim I wasn't thinking that, but thats because I'm smart

May Allah bless all the victims and give enough patience to their families to come over this time. It is very hard to loss a friend and families. It is very hard time and May God guide these terrorists to stop killing innocents.

And for you, if you are supporter of these racists parties, then for God sake please STOP supporting these new NEO nazis. their school is based on hate and they have killed over 55 millions a few decades ago and they will do it again if they get into power.

@onnund, I highly doubt that :-)

God guide these terrorists to stop killing innocents.

@Irriduim There is no incentive for an Islamic terrorist to attack Norway, also I don't even think theres anything going on in Norway for something like that to happen. Now if there had been a bombing in the UK, US or even Denmark then yes I would have assumed it was Islamic terrorists.

The sad thing is he will walking the streets again in ten years.

@Boyfriend yyyvxyyy unseen hammad674

We may not be of the same religion, race, or origin but I believe the same basic principal as you. I am not muslim or Islam, I am Christian and white (but NOT a white supremist radical Christian, I can assure you of THAT!) There are radical fools in every race, religion and region. No one is exempt. And the creator by whatever name we have given (even if you believe creation is just a cosmic occurence), is ashamed and sorrowful of hatred and terrorism in any form, under any pretense or assumption of just cause. THAT comes from some cancerous warp somewhere and not from the purity of creation.

well as an immigrant,all i can say is,what a relief that it wasn't an immigrant that did this dispeakable act of horror,thank god we can walk with ease on the street this time around,R.I.P. to the dead and to the injured,wish you guys a speedy recovery.

friday was like a victory for them,this will be extremely difficult task for the goverment to slove,if they will ever slove it,which i doubt it very much cos racist never own up publicly,they are like a snake,pretenders and heaters underneath walking on the streets

Actually, we have no idea if this is true.

But as we an see, commenting was commenting was closed yesterday because we didn't want to speculate that it was a Muslim.

But today - we can speculate all we want, can't we?

1.5 hour response time is insane. if you look at where this island is it's almost in Oslo, speeding it would only take ten minutes to get to shore from the outskirts of Oslo. there are two utoys in Norway, one in lake Tyrifjorden where the shooting happened and the other far up north. police should have been on alert and ready for more attacks anywhere in the country especially near Oslo, if anything they should have been more prepared, they had hours of warning with the bomb to gather their special forces and have them ready to respond to ongoing violence. the Olso police should take a serious look at their pathetic response time and apologize to the victims families. not being used to violence is no excuse and also not true, sure they may not be used to bombs, but people actually do call emergency services in Norway. given the day and the proximity to a major city anything less than 20 minutes is inexcusable. isn't emergency services one of the things all the high taxes in Norway and Sweden should go toward??

@onnund, I lived in Oslo for a few years and there is definitely been friction between Norwegians and Muslim immigrants. While Norway doesn't seem like the first target of radical islam, please don't forget William Nygaard who was shot outside of his home in Oslo, or the numerous death threats over cartoons published my Norwegian papers. According to polls, the majority of Norwegians want an immediate end to immigration. Sweden and Denmark have been attacked, it was only logical to assume that this was also a terrorist attack. and yes, I know what 'assume' spells......

@jomamas,

yap, you missed this one buddy! how sad???

@ jacquelinee,

religion, interesting word! i have no one. my only belief is to respect others. i deeply appreciate your noble words and passionate feelings.

@ lovedealer76,

i have got to agree with you on this one...it took me months to get over the Stockholm one. the sick then was borne Iraqi :(

@Onnund

No reason to attack Norway ... because Norway isn't in Afghanistan, or a member of NATO, or currently involved in actions against Libya. I mean it's not like Norwegian embassies in the Middle East have been targeted by attacks. And it's not like any militant muslim organizations have issued threats against the Norwegian state. I mean Muslims have never blown up anything before ... not busses full of civilian commuters, cafes and restaurants full of people, subways, etc, etc, etc ad nauseam. That doesn't mean Muslims are the only ones who blow things up, but 9 times out of 10 it's them, so understandable to understand why they may have initially been the focus of attention.

One last parting comment ... since when do terrorists ever had a "legitimate" reason for blowing up anything? I think it's rather obvious they simply like to blow things (and people) up to cause terror. Norway has been high on the list of targets for international terror groups for a long time now ... in fact, a lot of analysts were shocked something like this didn't happen sooner ... they just assumed it would be Al-Qaeda or something, not a home grown right-wing terrorist.

According to the video posted by Anders Behring Breivik, he's anti-Nazi as well.

In summary he seems to be against Multiculturalism, Marxism and Islam, and thinks the first two will lead to Islam's domination of Europe, hence the attack on Multiculturalist political forces.

Twiceshy:

you're right. Because he's a Freemason (see wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik). Freemasons belong to one of these extreme pro-Israeli secret societies which work tirelessly to support their Zionist 'brothers". As expected, the Zionist-controlled media in the West has largely ignored this fact when they profiled him. There is even picture of him wearing the Freemason apron on his Facebook page.

@blursd

Actually, Norway is a NATO country.

I have to agree with caitnor, the response time was way to long and not acceptable. It is the same in Sweden with the response of police and EMS, and thats if they even show up. For the most part, if something happens, you are on your own.

As a matter of fact these kinds of extremists shouldn't be unexpected in Scandinavia.

In my opinion Scandinavian countries compare with other European countries have the least capability of dealing with multiculturalism and immigrants from different countries and backgrounds, related to fact that their societies have been very homogenous for very long time. Simply, many Scandinavian don't have the mental capability to accept different kinds of immigrants; even though, some Scandinavian may like to have a multicultural society.

The problem is that in these kinds of societies, where have the least mental capability to deal with multicultural immigration policy, the reactionary protest can be horrifying, like this incidence in Oslo, or the example of the laser man in Stockholm, or the guy, who shot immigrants in Malmö.

Of course, the authorities are responsible and should be blamed for these kinds of problems as well. Take as an example Sweden, where accept and welcome refugees and immigrants and believe to multiculturalism (at least politically!). The immigrant has to go through a process to be prepared for a life in Sweden; however he/she would be blamed his/her entire life as a non-productive, non-adoptive, not-understandable, an abuser of taxes, a second class citizen, no matter if he/she has a job, or even if there is any opportunity and chance to become a meaningful part of the society.

About few months ago the so called Norway police men harrsed and pushed around over 100 Ethiopians seeking asyium.These Ethiopians are not evil human beings.Norway police one night picked up over 100 Ethiopians who were seeking asyium and drove them out of town very far away and dumped them in the bushes hoping they will die there and can't find a way back in town.Living in U.S watching on fox news and hearing about the 32 years old white dude killed his own white people doesn't make sense to me.From what I understand the guy is local Nazi member.From what I have seen on TV so far all his victims are whites.So what went wrong? I was hoping the first people that guy would kill are blacks I guess I am very wrong.I guess the guy is the 2011 kind of nazi which is first kill people that look like you then maybe later on the Ethiopians/blacks.Thank you Norway police you'r doing great job.

@skatty

Yet another apologist for terrorism. People like this exist in every society and culture they are violent people who always make up some excuse to justify their actions.

Now you come along at a time of great sorrow for the Norwegians and lay the blame at the door of the Norwegian government. You are just as sick as the the killer

And now you come along at a time of great sorrow for the Norwegians to attack another poster as "sick as the killer" for having a different opinion than yours.

Who's sick?

@Rick Methven

Yes; of course, I put part of the blame on the Norwegian authorities (generally Scandinavian austerities). As it has been mentioned in many articles, it seems that the motivation of the killer has been a protest to multiculturalism and he believed that terrorism would bring attention to this matter.

My comment is not an apologist for the terrorism, but considering the motivation of the killer and his reaction to what he has believed as a problem. He has believed that multiculturalism is a problem and the solution has been killing many people to avoid it. There are many people, who believe multiculturalism is a problem in many different countries, but I have seldom heard that unsatisfied people explode downtown of a city of going around shooting immigrants to protest multiculturalism!

The question for me is why and how a person can reach to this kind of conclusions (exploding a city, and/or shooting immigrants and citizens) to reach his/her aim? Most of people don't use these kinds of methods.

In your opinion, people like this (terrorism) exist in every society, and my comment is an apology to terrorism, I am as sick as a terrorism, in another word you mean I am a terrorism, because my point of view is different from yours, I shouldn't blame Norwegian government and should not express my opinion in time of a sorrow!

I think you are fully qualified to be considered as a terrorist, not me!

What do you think about immigrants like Buddhists and Hindus ?

RIP, these kids don't deserve to die like this. I was in Oslo for sometime and I was so impressed by their tolerance towards other ethnic groups-well there're some exceptions and this sociopath doesn't represent Norway. Terrorism knows no boundry and religion is the roots all evils-it should be kept in the museum so that this world would be a better place to live.

The problem with multiculturalism comes when one positively discriminate the newcomers and one give them more rights than the natives, then the locals become upset.

My opinion about that is that what we have now in Europe/US is an attempt to disaggregate all the countries. How can the power (external or internal) dominate countries that have homogeneous thoughts and no problems for subsist? attacking that homogeneity and creating problems to discuss, of course, divide and conquer, if discussing of anything else they are out of discussion.

I mean, governments or powerful people act for interests, not for beliefs, what's their interest in multiculturalism? to help? I don't buy it, if they would like to help it would be better to don't fight that wars in first place.

All of this is not the immigrant's fault, of course they can't be blamed for anything but for trying to find a better life.

But what do you think that will happen here in Sweden, in one of the worst-case scenarios, when the little housing bubble that helps expanding the credit at very low interest bursts and the unemployment peaks, and how much paid unemployment is the system prepared to support without incurring in so much national debt or abolishing the welfare system?

Where are the ultra right wing posters?! Back in their holes for a while?

This tragedy is the consequence of hatred! A step before murder! Something that skatty, Uncle and many other untral right wing supporters were writing in this forum.

Most of you people here are sick in the head actually. It doesn't matter if this guy was a white supremicist or islamic or muslim or mexican or chinese or martian. He was a freaking NUTCASE and it doesn't matter how much "melanin" content the poor victims had in their skin, they were murdered and EVERYONE bleeds red.

I personally am tired of those who cry "Racism" when they themselves are totally racist against whites. I am white and have no prejudice against anyone unless they are hostile, inflamatory, intolerant, ingnorant or dangerous, WHATEVER pigment their skin is or their belief is. Racism and predudice is the choice and decision of each intividual and NOT the belief of each race as a whole.

Now, can we get back to the issue at hand and mourn with those poor families who have lost loved ones? In some cases parents may have sent all their children to that camp and the possibility exists that all their children are dead. THINK ABOUT THAT, those of you posting who are just self absorbed, insensitive, cold heartled bunch of predjudiced idiots!

A life time sentence in Norway is 7 years so that is all Breivik will get. Unless, of course he is declared insane then they will put him in a hospital and he might be out in 6 months.

Interesting to see that one of Breivik's heros, according to his blog, is Winston Churchill. Interesting to that he planned this for 9 years and nobody got worried about his activities there were plenty of footprints and Norway has less than 5 mil. inhabitants. Oh well this will probably change now.

@skatty

So in your mind the Norwegian government is to blame because they did not give in to the demands of this sick individual and other like him. If the majority of the population believed as he does about the way the society should be run, then it would change by the people voting a right wing party into power who would carry out those policies the he and you want to see enacted. To give in to terrorism of any ilk is to give up democracy.

@Iraniboy

Now; I don't get how you conclude that I am in ultra right side, but it was interesting to hear. I mean my comments are mostly related to the article, and I try mostly to keep it in this way; however, sometimes I write extra words not related to articles.

In here the article is about the "Norway terror suspect", it's not about they, who are in sorrow because of the pain (there are other articles about they, who are in sorrow). The article particularly explains about the killer, his activities, who he is, and my comments are circulating around the killer and what may or may not bring the consequences. If the article was about they, who have been affected by the killer, of course I would comment in different way. It doesn't mean that I don't feel sympathy with Norway; my comment is related to the article. The fact is that some people try to show their sympathy with people in Norway by accusing the others (like me) of being a terrorist, or having cold heart, or other nonsense in their comments.

I think it's better you read my first comment in here once more, before accusing anybody of being right or left wing.

Jacquelinee at @42 has a point. Debate about white supremists, Nazis, Islamists and related racial issues are not connected to this tragedy.

Breivik is not a political activist/white supremist/terrorist/criminal. He is a very sick man. Eye witness accounts say he was laughing as he killed, and clearly enjoying himself. Anyone who has that much fun firing a machine gun into hundreds of children is not acting to further a cause; he/she is acting out a deranged fantasy created by a broken mind.

Breivik is just a man with a very serious mental illness, and when the police are finished with him, he will be admitted into a secure mental hospital for the rest of his life.

In the aftermath of such a terrible tragedy, it seems so petty to be sniping back and forth with one another. Yes, initially I did speculate that this was an example of Muslim extremist terrorism...it is so de rigeuor these days. But it was a home grown nut case, instead. EIther way, it matters naught to the victims. Death is death, no matter who deals it. The common denomitator is hate.

@RobinHood I hope that you are right but I doubt very much that he will be detained in a hospital for life. That really does not happen in Norway/sweden. He will be declared cured in a while.

Iraniboy

please post your comments by another name, since these are your personal ideas.

lool these white p'pple kill me with their irony....when a white guy commits mass-murders he is sick...when a coloured guy does it...it was intentional....the only sane,rational white guy is my boyfriend....so different from other shallow minded swedes.

Why would capital punishment suddenly be the right thing in this case? If you're principally against it, you are principally against it. This guy will get 21 years of prison and be out after 2/3 as is the norm. I personally think life in prison should be life in prison but capital punishment is just a sad, barbaric statement. Killing people is wrong, therefore we will kill you.

@Rick Methven

Actually, if it would be a poll right before the incidence in Norway, the right-wing and they, who are against immigration would win (I heard it in BBC). As a matter of fact as you know, this is a matter, which has happened both in Sweden (SD got power) and Denmark (long time ago) as well. The majority of population would vote against the immigration in Norway.

The Norwegian government would give to the demands of the people (I believe that Norway has a democracy) and actually would change its immigration policy or would be in pressure to change it. The Norwegian government has tried to neglect and ignore the sick individuals and other like him, and it's what the government should be blamed for.

If the majority of population believed as the killer believes then a right-wing (let say ultra) party would get power, which carry out the wishes of the majority of population and the killer, which is an unfortunate for immigrants, who wish to have a normal and progressive life in Norway.

I should mention the killer did not believe in such a process (which is a democratic process). He used the method of terror and execution of the innocent people. In my first comment I have mentioned why such an incidence might happen (in Scandinavian countries).

Why do they even bother to show his face? Now he gets even more fame and screen time.

Just making him disappear will hurt him more than anything else.

This guy is ONE SICK PUPPY and the faster we wipe him from our collective memory, the better off the world will be.

Smokebox, my fear is that he will not get prison time because he will be found to be insane! johnny1939 is correct that the insane are eventually found to be "cured" and then set free.

Iraniboy - You have already been told that RACIST cannot be used in conjunction with islam because it is NOT a RACE. I like the definition of islamophobe as being 'someone who knows more about islam than they should.'

Iraniboy, thank you for bringing up politics by asking, "Where are the ultra right wing posters"? Iraniboy, you should also not use such terms you do not understand, to describe your "enemies". You are being hypocritical as you do not realize that it is islam itself that is ultra right-wing! You are in fact "THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK."

hammad674 - I understand that you are ignorant of your own religion. You need to believe that it is good and peaceful but from it's beginning IT HAS TERRORIZED and killed "INNOCENT LIVES". Your PROFIT seemed to be proud of his terrorist acts because he was doing HIS god's work. Your PROFIT murdered, tortured, assassinated and raped people - and that is just the beginning description of his extremely deviant behavior.

Then again, maybe you do not see your PROFIT's actions as being terroristic because in your mind, they are acts of JIHAD which of course is NOT TERROR.

@Onnund - "...muslim terrorists, what incentive do they have in attacking Norway?"

You really have know idea why Norway would be attacked or are you just playing dumb?

@Boyfriend - "...their school is based on hate and they have killed over 55 millions a few decades ago and they will do it again if they get into power."

I know you cannot see it but I find it interesting that your statement applies to islam as well. Boyfriend, you are another one who is "The pot calling the kettle black".

@Zonob - "...Freemasons belong to one of these extreme pro-Israeli secret societies which work tirelessly to support their Zionist 'brothers". As expected, the Zionist-controlled media..."

So Zonob you are another one of these conspiracy theory wacko nut jobs.

@jamesblish - "Why would capital punishment suddenly be...If you're principally against it..."

Most interesting to me is that when talking to people who oppose capital punishment, they change their mind in this case. I find it interesting that this event actually changed their minds.

Master/Slave relationships? Would you guys please keep your SEXUAL POLITICS to yourselves! This discussion is already "heated" enough. ;-)

orsak1972@hotmail.com, I work hard at trying to understand what people are trying to say. What I am reading in your posts is the same kind of unintelligible nonsense that this Norwegian nut job spouted. Believe me, your assumptions are so disconnected that I wonder about your mental status.

skatty - "Blame the government?!?!" Alright we have another winner! Calling Rick Methven a terrorist is really stupid too. He and I may not agree on some things but I can definitely say I find his posts to be quite moderate.

skatty, YOU on the other hand are not making a lot of sense. - RobinHood is right, this Norwegian nut job "is acting out a deranged fantasy created by a broken mind... is just a man with a very serious mental illness." This Norwegian nut job might have been set off simply because the government outlawed his favorite brand of ice-cream!

It's the government's fault ... You sound like some of those American nut jobs I knew.

I checked that website out, and it says it isn't nazi at all, just for everyone interested in scandinavia. And it's a kid's site.

@orsak1972@hotmail.com

You are most obviously educated and intelligent. You put forth great arguments and they are well stated. But racism is a concious choice and a decision. It may be influenced greatly by upbringing, environment, personal incidents, poverty, jealousy, language barriers, cultural differences etc. Never the less, it is a personal decision to hate an entire demographic on a limited perception and without extensive understanding or knowledge. I have been very badly treated by people within certain races other than my own (which I will not name) I also have really great, close personal friends within that same race as the idiots were. They are so dissimilar it is bizzare. I have met huge ars -holes that are my own race as well. That does not make me one because I am of the same race. That is just unrealistic and, quite frankly crazy to presume.Your argument is flawed at the inception. You are speaking from a prejudical mindset.

Most real terrorism experts have already claimed for years that the biggest threat at the moment in the US was not muslim extremists but christian nutcases. Now we see that also in europe apparantly this is the case (something which doesn't surprise me at all).

Of course all internet bloggers and other 'followers' continue to tell us there is some great muslim/left wing conspiracy, but this isn't more than a mantra, and something which is used gratefully by right wing politicians like Wilders in the Netherlands. This loser breivik is a typical example of a nutcase believing everything he reads on internet.

DamnImmigrant That's because this sort of event concerns everyone and virtually everyone is affected. That's to be expected. But that's the whole reason we have courts. We can't have people acting based on emotions and rage, if they did we'd have death penalties dished out left and right. This is basically why courts exist in the first place.

what is a racist? all this/that debate is complicated for my brain to handle! a racist is an individual chooses to go his own way; usually because of mistreatment while was little. there might be no end to this tragedy but we can always keep trying.

@Damn immigrant....your hatred for Muslims and immigrants shows an incoherrent,panic driven person who has spelling issues...get a damn education...your hatred is so blinding!ugh!swedes are immigrants in the states and othe countries...

@orsak1972@hotmail.com....you are so retarded beyond help...my boyfriend and i dont care about the melanin content of p'pples skin...we celebrate love...Love is a beautiful thing....just like once u go white u never go back...or once u go black u never go back...

Not all moslems are terrorists, but 99% of all terrorists are moslems.

Damnimmigrant

Who Are you? such an ARRANT ASS came up and write what ever you like. I think it is time to visit your doctor

With the Swedish authorities taking more interest in the internet posts of the right-wing nut jobs after this tragic and terrible act, to try and pre-empt anything like it happening here, I expect that The Local will be asked to provide the IP addresses and email addresses of quite a few posters around here.

"..he belonged to an extreme christian wing " they wrote .

Can somebody tell me what that means ?

Did he read a bible , go to church or shout " Jesus is great " as he shot down these youths ?

If not , it is misleading to call him a christian just because he his behind the "title"

@DamnImmigrant

What senses you receive, depends to your sensors. What sensors you use!?

I don't think he (the killer) has a serious mental illness. It's not really hard to understand what I am talking about. I simply summarize it in this way:

Scandinavian countries are advanced countries with law and order, a democratic institution, where people can vote and change the political system. Many other western countries have more or less the same system. Now, there are some differences between these countries related to their historical backgrounds. Some are better equipped to deal with various cultures, and some are not.

In my opinion Scandinavians are not well equipped to deal with various cultures and their protest from a mental point of view (and sometimes in reality and action) can be dramatically awful and unexpected against immigration and immigrants. In my first comment, I gave some examples from Sweden including this incidence in Norway.

You see, people in Sweden or (Norway) can change their immigration laws through political institutions and by voting and political parties, which don't want immigrates (like SD), it's not necessary to execute immigrants in the streets (like Malmö and Stockholm) or explode downtown of Oslo. I think this kind of incidences have not really to do with mental illness, it's a kind of mentality which mostly related to the public understanding of their rights in their OWN countries! Because of their long time homogenous background, it's hard for Scandinavians to see other people (like immigrants) part of their own society; even though, from political point of view (and some other points of view like labor market), there is a need for immigration!

Rick,

Oooh scary! I guess we will just have to be quiet from now on and let you, Jes, Iraniboy, Trustworthy and the Orginial B.M. spew your Quisling agenda unopposed without calling B.S. I think not.

@jes...the perpetrator is a CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST! sheesh...deal with it...christianity and white p'pple are the source of evil and oppression in the world...except my boyfriend who is an aries like me and has a sense of justice.

@calebian22

I cannot speak for others, but the only agenda that I have is to see truth, honesty and fairness to all people.

You on the other hand, from the majority of your posts, most definitely do have an extreme right-wing anti Multi culture agenda. Remember that hiding behind a pseudonym is never a guarantee on anonymity and that even the posts that have been deleted are still there.

It always amuses me that extremists of whatever ilk left or right. think that they can hide forever behind pseudonyms and proxy servers. As the Norwegian Police have proven, it takes only minutes to find out who is behind an on-line identity.

You of course have the right to discuss, but it should be tempered with the avoidance of stirring up hatred. Think of the terrible consequences of blind hate that we have just witnessed before you hit the submit button. You may be stable enough not to go off the rails, but you never know who may read your posts that may tip him over the top.

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless

to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

Rick

beside these criminal detections that you suggest they should also check the comments before post them on the wall. freedom has other meanings.

@Jackass 123

To avoid disrespecting Jews and Christians, I will refrain from quoting the numerous violent passages and verses from the Torah and Bible. These verses are nothing but allegories.

The only idiots that take these verses literally are terrorists and people like you.

@ Rick;

I said last year on this very site that these racists on The Local, which everyone knows who they are; should watch their posts. There will come a day when they will regret their posts. Islam bashing could one day draw the attention of authorities.

I think that day has come.

@Sheba , what type sense of "justice" does your boy friend have ?

Is he into suicide bombing or poisoning the neighbours noisy dog?

I am asking because justice has ver many definitions these days . But I guess you wouldN´´t know , for I detect that you are intellectually challenged .

I judge you by what you write , and not what you claim not to be .

i believe this was the first results of video games and game company should be cancel.......this island should not be set foot again.......this man is crazy and should be studied in prison for rest of life.....

In the States our government and media just love to distract folks with "issues" of religion, morality, ethnicity (sorry, there is only one "race" and it is HUMAN), etc. I think most of the folks posting on this site are sadly misguided. It is all a ruse! What we are looking at is CLASS warfare. Remember it was the Labor Party that was attacked. Albeit, Norwegians seem to enjoy a quality of life far beyond the wildest dreams of most Americans, it was still the Labor Party that was attacked. It's all about money guys.

Rick,

I will gladly answer any questions from Säpo at any time. I have done nothing wrong, nor do I plan too. The internet is not anonymous nor does anyone with half a brain cell think it is. As for being right wing, that is no more a crime than being left wing like you. As for stirring up hatred, Lars Vilks is still walking around a free man. I have a long way to go before I cross any lines. No matter how much you disagree with what I say, your opposition to it doesn't make it hate speech.

I will leave you with this because it seems apropos. What is the definition of a bigot? A conservative winning an argument with a liberal. Your name calling, sicko was the latest from yesterday, shows your level of argumentation and debate skill. Good night, Herr Quisling.

jacquelinee - "...racism is a concious choice and a decision. It may be influenced greatly by..."

WOW, VERY WELL SAID!

I have lived in a multi-cultural, multi-racial society most of my life and I have to say I was shocked to learn the CRAP my non-white friends sometimes went through.

I watched a Black friend gunned down by a racially motivated, angry Korean immigrant solely because my friend was doing his job. The Korean's upbringing told him that BLACKS were inferior to him. He was not going to let his honor be soiled by someone who was so far beneath him.

jamesblish, I TOTALLY AGREE with you. Unfortunately, in this case, I cannot see how "the court" cannot see this nut job's actions on the island as anything other than the actions of a severely disturbed (mentally ill) individual. This means psychiatric hospital and then later - freedom when he "gets better".

@unseen - "what is a racist"

unseen, it is someone who believes that a particular race is superior to another." - jacquelinee posted a great explanation of WHY people are racist.

Sheba - "@Damn immigrant....your hatred for Muslims and immigrants shows...get a damn education...your hatred..."

Sheba, click on my name and you will see my profile. It has everything you need to know about me. "Self-Transcendent", as defined by Maslow or Cloninger, is probably what describes me best. Hatred, prejudice and even racism are not part of the Self-Transcendent personality. If you are seeing it, it is coming through your own interpretation of what I write.

I hate immigrants? - I AM an immigrant! Please indicate what I said that shows I hate immigrants. I do not think you can.

Hating the followers of islam? Is this because I choose to refute those incorrect statements that people make about islam? I have written nothing about islam that is not true. I have written nothing hateful.

I study religion as a hobby (all religions). What I learned about islam's violent beginnings shocked me! Whenever I see someone making a statement about islam that is not true, I say so! This DOES NOT mean I "HATE" its followers. Many of it's followers do not know their own religion and are in fact misrepresenting it due to their own ignorance. I also go after fundamentalist christians, bigots, racists and the like.

@Sheba - "@jes...the perpetrator is a CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST! sheesh...deal with it..."

You should re-read what jes wrote again because jes IS CORRECT about using the term "christian fundamentalist".

@madadi - "Damnimmigrant...write what ever you like...time to visit your doctor"

Hi madadi, actually it was my doctor who told me about Self-Transcendence. I do not write "what ever I like" as I usually like to stay on topic. I try to stick with the truth and correct erroneous statements made by other posters. Don't spread lies about your religion - any religion - and you will not hear from me.

@calebian22,

calling Rick a "traitor" is more serious and dangerous than him calling you a sicko!!!

with the name he gave you, at best, you end up in a hospital. the name you call him might end him up in some island with a gunman like the bastard we have in Norway!!!

jackx123 and Sheba.

If u dont have ant information or knowledge then then please put ur ass down.

All this talk is rather silly, this mass murderer was a sicko maniac, as they all are. Whether it is done under the rubric of "collateral damage" or done at the individual level, it is vile mass murder of the most sociopathic and reprehensible sort. My extreme sympathies to the Norwegian families who lost loved ones.

I am surprised none have likened this vile cretin to Wikileakers nor Julian Assange --- at least there has been a momentary attack of sanity for a change.

From a recently released American GAO audit of the bailout funds which went to international banks and corporations (and another reason Swedish government could be influenced to aid and abet the Americans):

http://sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GAO%20Fed%20Investigation.pdf

p. 29 of 266 pp. (listed as p. 16)

p. 33 of 266 pp. (listed as p. 20)

During 2008, the FOMC

approved temporary swap lines with 12 other foreign central banks.23

23 ...... and Sveriges Riksbank (Sweden).

p. 209 of 266 pp. (listed as p. 196)

Handelsbanken (Sweden)

I don't know why you said that he killed his own people. You said he killed blond kids. You don't know of course, because some of you are ignorant, that Norwegian people are not only blond but also brown and black haired, sometimes even brown skinned. A lot of the youngsters on the islands had immigrant parents. Their crime was that they were AUF.

@jes u are the one who has nothing between your ears...once again read what you post...if you are intelligent...why does your post have spelling issues...once again you have showed without doubt that you are indeed intelectually and morally challenged...i dont have time to go back and forth with vacuous people who have nothing valuable or inspiring to say....

So loads of totally innocent people lost their lives because of one individual ,but beware because reading some of these posts there are others like him ..cowardly ,pathetic specimens of humanity who would do the same for no greater reason than to satisfy their massive egos and not accepting the fact that they are really in need of serious treatment . if that is even possible !

There are some interesting points brought up here!

one he is a mason and two the police took much too long to repond, and the nature of the attacks starting to smell fishy. I would be careful that NO pre-composed legislation is foisted upon the Norwegian people.

one thing I do know and are rather pissed about is the frequent use of the term Christian, this nutter of what ever persuasion, does not qualify to be a Christian's R-sole. If you have not noticed Christ is into saving people not blowing them away, there are enought Antichristian organisations to do that!

It appears to be secret squirrels at work, lets just hope the Guy was just a nutter and nothing more. On the better Note i am really saddened by his and send my deepest condoleces to those who are hurting!

'Yet Breivik may not even serve life in jail. Under Norwegian law, crimes considered a "terrorist act" have a 21-year maximum sentence.'

source: thesun.co.uk

this is a grave injustice to all the victims of his atrocity.

@calebian22,

How stupid, calling me a Quisling (fascist) at the same time as labelling me a leftist. If you had enough sense you would see that the two are diametrically opposed. I am not a leftist, just a moderate person who realises that the verbal diarrhoea regurgitated by the racist right is detrimental to society as a whole. and was just the sort of thing that acted as the trigger to set Breivik off.

Before you continue with your poisonous rhetoric think on this comment from today's Independent and the responsibility we all have to moderate our language.

"The signs are that Breivik is a maniac, intoxicated by the propaganda and paranoia of the racist far right"

Actually quisling means collaborator in it's historical and modern usage. Just as calling someone a Benedict Arnold doesn't mean they are a supporter of 18th century British imperialism, Quisling's politics have nothing to do with my comment. However, your posts in support of the Islamist invasion of the West, (unknowingly on your part would be my guess since wisdom doesn't seem to be one of your strong points), seems to make quisling an apt moniker for you.

And again you make the same unfounded provocative statements about the "Islamic invasion of the West" and accuse me of being a part of it and continue to provide tacit support for a mad terrorist. I think you are a prime target for investigation by Säpo.

@Rick

Lets examine calebian22:

A born again/ fundamentalist Christian. His heros are Geert Wilders, Sweden Democrats and EDL. He is staunchly Pro-Israeli and in his mind this means one must be anti-Islam. He is completely brainwashed by the extreme far right propaganda regarding the unfounded sick logic that Islam is taking over Europe and the world. Once pretty moderate in his views, but as time passed has become very extreme in his views. Sounds to me like he is also loosing his Behring....

Sorry Caleb, your own admissions. I am just pointing these things out. But don't be too nervous. There are about 10% in the world who share your views. So I think you are safe from SÄPO.

Luckily, we who represent the 90% who love Jews, Christians, Muslims and Atheists equally and without prejudice, will prevail as we always have throughout history.

The racists have been exposed. As the old saying goes:

"If you are out for revenge, be sure to dig 2 graves."

What fuelled these atrocities? Websites and other web-forums that allow the spreading of extremism!

Constitutional laws that allow Sweden to become a world leader in the propagation of extremism and hate speech.

Totally unmonitored media all in the name of free speech.

The best way to stop a fire is to pour water on the sparks BEFORE it becomes a problem.

Does freedom of speech give you the right to propagate genocide?

And here's Rick playing secret police again, longing for the good old days when the KGB and Stasi could stifle dissent. Threatening other posters. hinting darkly that the police, Säpo, and other, unnamed, "Swedish authorities" will come and get you. In reality, his totalitarian dream is limited to whining to the TL Moderator.

@Detective Rick: quoting the Guardian proves nothing except that you can read. In his manifesto, the evil-doer writes: "I'm not an excessively religious man." It is cheap exploitation of this horror to hunt tidbits in his incoherent ravings to bolster one's own political prejudices and hatred.

He also wrote that it was Pres. Clinton's bombing of Serbia that pushed him over the edge. For heaven's sake.

@ Rick

I have long thought that this paper attracts a bizarre amount of right-wing nutjobs who espouse the same views as this killer. It wouldn't surprise at all if the despicable coward who committed the atrocities last week has posted here as his abhorrent views would be right at home with the islamaphobes and irrational and illogical rubbish posted on this site about "multi-culturalism." I would think this forum would be a good place for the Swedish authorities to look actually. There's some real nut-jobs here that I would not want to see around Stockholm.

Indeed Angus.

Calebian's use of the word quisling which comes from a man who shared some of Calebian's ideas, is actually an insult to the Norwegian people.

@Sheba , I see nothing "valuable or insipiring" in the 2 comments you have put here so far .

Fortunately for me , my question was not aimed at adressing your boy friend´s " sense of justice ( ha ! ha! ) . Rather , I wanted to know in which category of "christian fundermentalism " the subject falls .

My take is that you have no clue . You stop at paroting what you find on your Face Book .

quisling?

remember that over 6,000 norwegians served in the Waffen SS compared to a total of 3,000 from Sweden, Switzerland and Luxembourg. About 60,000 russians also served.

How come the posters/readers are so misinformed about history and facts when writing to this forum

#84..."fascist....leftist. If you had enough sense you would see that the two are diametrically opposed. " (It's Rick. Sigh.)

Historians, political scientists and other scholars have long debated and disagreed on the exact nature of fascism. But the one element all scholars agree on is that fascism always includes an authoritarian state--left or right. Stalin, Mao were fascists, as was Mussolini, as is Castro.

A hallmark of the modern fascist is anti-Americanism.

If I were you I'd hesitate before calling other posters ignorant.

@Irriduim Didn't Nygaard get shot awhile ago and wasn't the incident never solved? Considering that a Mosad agent shot somebody who they thought was a terrorist in Norway and the Norwegian secret intelligence were able to capture him that sounds fishy.

Well if a Norwegian cartoonist had been shot I would have probably assumed that it could have been an Islamic terrorist but that's not what happened, there was a BIG bomb. I know there are racial tensions in Norway but it takes more than that for somebody to go out of their way to plan and plant a big bomb like that.

Sweden is different there is a lot more going on in Sweden. They have a big hip hop scene in Sweden and their basketball team has actually done better than the UK. Now it might sound stereotypical but from my personal experience these things can attract ethnic minorities. On the flip side Sweden has a relatively strong neo nazi movement, bigger than Norway's. Sweden is a country of two extremes they have a lot of tolerance and extreme intolerance, these two aspects of Swedish society unfortunately could make an Islamic terrorist attack possible. As far as I'm concerned it's unlikely to happen in Norway because it's too 'quiet'. In no way am I saying that a terrorist attack is a good thing I am merely analysing certain things that could make it possible

By the way I'm not Scandinavian I'm from the UK and I used to be Muslim, so if you need to preach to other Scandinavians about being tolerant that's fine, I don't need it.

@blursd Of course an Islamic terrorist could find a reason to bomb Norway but I still think it would be unlikely to happen there. You did see me say nobody should bomb anywhere? You did see that?

@Damnimmigrant No I even read an FBI website where it stated that Al-Qaeda saw Norway as a legitimate target, that still doesn't change the fact I see it as unlikely. For starters they would obviously concentrate more on attacking the US and the UK.

Oh so sorry, I should have checked with the fount of all knowledge

Now I realise that anybody who has the temerity to criticise America is a fascist.

Unless you are criticising Obama and then Cogito would call you a 'right' minded thinker just like himself

Anti-americans are fascists? I suppose that's why America helped the democratic goverments of Spain, Chile etc.

Why is it that people are trying to justify the act? This is a sick dude and Norwegians need to look into more of these kinds in their own society. As human beings every society has good and bad people. For some societies, luckily, their goodness is emphasized and unfortunately for others only the bad is pronounced thanks in large part to the media and stereotypes.

To find answers to why and justify this Nazi's actions is same as supporting what he claims to stand for. Rascist attitudes should be discussed thoroughly within every society in Europe in an open manner. This is a global problem that is a threat to peaceful coexistence.

Such narrow-minded individuals as Brevick should be weeded out and learn a lesson from their actions. Their need to be a limit to the freedom of speech. Such thought, if left unchecked, will result in more and more hatred that will culminate in the demise of societal values and chaos.

Finally, I am so saddened and would like to express my condolences to the parents and people of Norway at large. And to the innocent victims I say may their souls rest in peace! They will be remembered as young martyrs.

In my opinion: religions are like language between you and god that is all, and we are all here to be good people, I mean do your best in every aspect of life be good person be honest, be nice to everyone, earn your dignity and finally be part of the system. and believe me you will be more than welcomed to any society.

@Rick #86. Your contempt for scholarship and knowledge noted. It permits you

throw around loaded words like "fascist" without knowing what they mean.

Even the most basic familiarity with political science would have prevented your making the idiotic statement that leftism and fascism are diametrically opposed. Liberal fascism, or fascism of the left, is a common concept widely studied in political science.

@Streja: I used the qualifier "modern" before fascism.

"Latter-day fascists are at it again.Today, all of the forces over the world who share a narrow nationalism, chauvinism, hatred of cosmopolitanism, hatred of Judaism, and anti-Semitism, their flag is anti-American. America is a word used to convey all these hatreds together."

( Bernard Henri Levy, currently France's world-famous philosopher and political thinker--of the left, by the way. Often seen in international media. Though probably not in Sweden)

I don't agree with Henri Levy.

"world-famous philosopher and political thinker"??

This sounds like someone to stupid and lazy to get a real job.

HYBRED.

But not so stupid and lazy he does not know "TO" from "TOO."

Have you met Rick (#96)? He TOO despises people who think with their head rather than a different member of their anatomy.

@cogito

I don't despise people that think with their head. I despise people that think, and act as though they are doing. I also despise people like you that have to have people like Levy, Homer Simpson, and others think for them,like you. And you also show that your "anatomy" is lacking a "different member" So you think being a grammar nazi makes up for it?

Cowboy,

Every Swede should be required to sit in on an SFI class for and listen to a Lar Vilks discussion. SD would hit the 25 percent or higher mark next time around. My turn to a more conservative approach was reinforced by watching the so called moderate muslims in my class, who dressed secularly, who didn't pray, celebrated Rhamadan only as a cultural event, etc., go wild when the Lars Vilks incidents occurred. The complete non-understanding by these moderates that religious ridicule is allowed against all religions in Sweden, was not something that they seemed to grasp. Islam and Mohammed are special, an exception. No religion is special in Sweden. My religion is personal, if you want to show extreme disrespect towards my beliefs that doesn't bother me in the least. Religion is a choice. Belief is optional. Respect should not be something that is gained by violence or threats of violence. That irritates me to know end. So yes, I have changed, by seeing the problem first hand.