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Sweden Democrat Erik Hellsborn has written on his blog that the twin attacks in Norway are the fault of "mass immigration" and "Islamisation", denying that he feels any shame for sharing the same views as the perpetrator.
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Would Sweden allow AlQaeda party in the parliament? No. So let us ban these morons from the respected Riksdag.
I am not surprised they blamed Muslims for the attack before it became apparent it was one of their own, what they stand for is hatred against Muslims and everyone who does not share their bigotry.
Yes, 'cause the frigid, narrown minded, tea baggers, hillbillies, the hell with the poor, conservatives are so precious. Just look at any interview they have done in the past and you see the level of brilliance they have..
There always has to be a "them" - now the cold war is over the "them" is Muslim, the next "them" will undoubtedly be the Martians.... so time passes and the world goes around..
there has been a rise of right wing parties all over, the fact they are there and growing shouldnt be just discarded as just the usual neo nazi, christian conservative crap, otherwise they wouldnt be growing.
it has to be democratically seen why is that percentage of the population voting for them, and the truth is there are soft gaps in european imigration laws.
sweden takes way too much immigrants from a part of the world that is completely different from the western life style, if this kind of immigration were to be slow and with small portions then gradually people would accept, but in the rush of sweden and indeed europe to embrace multi culturalism it seems that the immigration was too big to handle socially. its not with sfi and a job that you will integrate a person in a society specially if they come from a completely different society.
it takes time , and sometimes it cant be done because people will hold to their own cultures no matter what.
if a person wakes up in their neighbourhood and there is one new guy from a completely different culture they will embrace ,
but if one guy wakes up and the whole neighbourhood is speaking a different language and he is the foreigner in his own country then he will vote for the stupid racist parties.
there has to be a balance thats why they call it democracy, i dont like that there is a racist nationalistic party in power in sweden but i would blame all the other parties for letting get to that.
and hopefully maybe in the elections to come they wont get enough votes, and also hopefully all moderaterna will eat poop and die because all they do is raise their own sallaries and sell swedish companies.
and hopefully the social democrats will stop coming up with crazy ideas if they dont want sweden to have an identity then maybe they shouldnt be in any place of power.
same goes for all swedish parties who seem to lose their ideals just to be in power.
Being offensive, prejudiced, or close minded is not a crime ... if you go grouping all far right political ideologies into the same boat as lunatic murders like Breivik you take the first step towards an autocracy. Essentially what you are doing is becoming what you despise - suggesting that anyone who supports SD or has sympathies for their agenda is akin to Breivik and should be purged from society is no different than SD saying all immigrants are bad and should be removed from society. They are the same thing ... just on different ends of the political spectrum.
92 people were killed by a psycho and the first thing pops into your mind is multiculturalism??? Go and pay a visit to the bastard and see how he is doing in his bloody cell!!
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/25/my-take-norway-attacks-show-terrorism-isnt-muslim-phenomenon/?iref=allsearch
and it is everywhere on the planet. Many Chinese like Swedish IKEA furniture and cars as much as we love to eat Chinese food for dinner. The number of English speaking Indians is greater than the number of entire European population. What is wrong with at least 30 million British citizens eating curry on the regular basis? etc etc
SD needs to go back to school and get educated.
There is a problem with immigration in Europe like it or not, believe or not.
Multiculturalism is product of government and media to douctrine people to forced them to accept this system. People should think on ther heritage first then other cultures but not foreign cultures and heritage is forgotten, like we see today, and that is done by government and media.
5.4% of the Swedish voters voted for SD and their support is dropping because the voters now see what a bunch of tossers they really are.
SD has a problem with multiculturalism and possibly those that voted for them. That means that 94.6% of the voters do not have a problem. You are trying to make a SD mountain out of a pimple
so you did read the manifesto, didn't you? Good boy! as the sick bastard carefully planned! in what phase you are on by now? spreading his valuable sick thoughts??
"Terrorist X would not have acted as he did if not for policy A, therefore policy A is wrong." Not only this but there is an implied "Those supporting A are responsible for the actions of X".
It follows that anyone willing to stoop to violence has a right to set policy. "If only we followed sharia law, this wouldn't have happened", "If only we had bestowed human rights on animals, this would never have happened", "If only...".
So you are suggesting that the Chinese and other Asian nations should start kicking the Europeans out of their countries tomorrow? If they do then millions of us here will lose jobs, etc. Should people with Scandinavian descents be kicked out of North America also? You also want white people to be kicked out of S. Africa? Should the Europeans be forbidden to travel to the Middle East and Africa (because we will contaminate their culture) so that we end up touring only within Europe?
How far back do you want to go ? To the birth of the Earth? That would be 4 billion years ago .... what were we then?
You are still talking about multiculturalism and such! You can discuss it some other time there is no point. You can discuss if there is life on mars instead, believe me it is more related to some psychopath killing almost a hundred people. He could have easily found another ground for that massacre!
You nailed it! People don't realize their bigotry.
He is a mass murderer.
There is no excuse for what he has done.
They point to immigration as a problem then they talk about multiculturalism, islam, integration, tax payers and stuffs. While, many of the immigrants in Scandinavia are NOT moslems. There are many people from Thailand, former Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy and even Finland and Norway living in Sweden that are not moslems. Even a portion of African immigrants are strict Christians. I wonder when they complain about immigration are they including these groups and Thai and Finnish people too or not!
If they have a problem with multiculturalism, even Americans who live in Sweden and are not moslems are considered a threat!! and maybe even Spanish or Finnish people living in Sweden too!
I wonder what SD thinks about those 2 million (?) Swedish people who migrated to America many years ago to survive. They are also immigrants! The Swedish queen is also an immigrant and even the king does not have a Swedish background , if I am not wrong (?)
Many Swedish guys have wives from other countries. And even many Swedish oldmen bring back home Thai girlfriends from their trips to Thailand! Just look around yourself and you find so many examples of this. I wonder why SD does not start first with Swedish men then??
I also wonder if they care this much about multiculturalism, would SD pass a law forbidding Sweden men and women to marry any non-swedish person.
Again, I believe they are mixing sooo many issues together that they even make themselves confused.
@thepeacelover, Of course Thai culture is quite different from Swedish and can have conflicts, and No! marriage does not equal to integration!
Even American culture has conflicts with Swedish culture.
Many of the Thai people in Swedish classes do not even know English! I wonder how Swedish old men communicated with them in the first place!
Just stop labeling people and acting like a child and instead think more about it. Look around and see how many Swedish people you know who are with foreigners with conflicting cultures,...
It is sad that this mass murderer hasn't yet opened the eyes of our far-right posters. If you still believe in one culture and that culture is the culture of this guy, keep it for yoursefl!
You believe that your culture is better than immigrant's? and the this mass murder is result of immigration?! I can't say no. But you are free to think positive about your Scandinavian culture which responds to mass immigration by killing 80 teenagers.
I suppose all people can be pushed towards terrorism if they feel helpless. And it doesnt matter if it is some muslim struggling opression of west in his/her country or it is a christian fearing cultural obliteration in a country with highest standard of living.
yes, you are correct, but we are on a Swedish forum.
@iraniboyfriend
you blame Skandinavian culture for the attacks? wow. Shall we blame your culture for the hundreds of muslim extremist attacks every year?
the problem is religious extremism, not cultural identity. If you think it is OK to rape women because they are dressed to scantily, violently attack people who's opinion differs from yours or kill over cartoons you deem offensive, than you have no place in Europe. If you are European and kill innocent people to get
Even Angela Merkel has said that MULTICULTURALISM has failed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451
And surely no one would suggest that she's somehow responsible for the carnage in Norway!
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You have reading problem?
I never blamed Skandinavian culture for this mass murder. I presented a conclusion one can make as a response to jimmy and all those who claim this mass murder is the result of mass imigration and multiculterism. If a culture think that mass immigration and multiculturism can lead to mass murder then that culture is very vile and barbaric! Don't you think so? So even if this mass immigration was not happening this person and jimmy still believe that this mass murder can be response to it!
you have a writing problem?
QUOTE "you are free to think positive about your Scandinavian culture which responds to mass immigration by killing 80 teenagers. "
my point is that we cant blame any religion for such beasts...these kind of people just bring hatred in society...
Whether it be muslims or christians or any damn religion there are always some dumb fanatics , holier than thou people around. They twist and turn the teachings of any religion to suit themselves. Don't think anyone should blame and smear any religion for these SOB who are creating all these problems.
As for SD, the next time around during voting, just remember to give them the finger.
"Would Sweden allow AlQaeda party in the parliament? No."
Actually it will not be too long before you are forced by your democratic principles to do just that.
The birth rate minus the death rate for native Norwegians is 1.6 /1000 compared to the moslem birth rate minus the death rate of 4.2/1000. then add all the moslem immigrants coming into the country every year and as even you must be able to see it will not be long before native Norwegians will be out voted and yes an AlQaeda party will be voted into parliament and just as Rotterdam has an islamic mayor Norway will have an islamic leader.
There is nothing wrong with immigration, the US is made up of immigrants. The problem is when the immigrants religion and political ideology command them to conquer all who do not follow islam. Just read the Qur'an, the haddiths and the sunna, they are filled with open ended commands to subjugate all who do not follow islam.
There is nothing wrong with multiculturalism, the US is multicultureal where no one culture is above another (we have civil rights laws to insure this), the problem comes when the multiculturalist raise one culture above another. Hate speech laws are aimed at anyone who criticizes islam NOT at those who criticize christianity, buddhism or hinduism or any other religion.
Murdering people is not a way to express your view point and can never be condoned (islam on the other hand has no problem with this - 9/11, 7/7, and the thousands of other murders committed around the world each year in the name of islam) but when the government limits your free speech (except for knowingly libel and slandering someone) with hate speech laws and the left and multiculturalist call all those who do not agree with them nazis, racists, bigots, islamaphobes, or worse then this is the result.
..........................how pathetic.................................
Take it like this way, If there will be no army boots on muslin countries then their will be no hate in Europe. Hate only hate drive him nothing else. His message is very clear and right, get out of Muslim countries and kick out Muslim out of whole Europe. Peace
You're really pathetic for twisting my post! You didn't mention one statment before that! I said I don't think so!! But since it doesn't suit your pathetic agenda, you chose that statement alone!
It is better to twist my posts and spread your far-right anti multiculteral agenda than bombing others. So I have no objection to your agenda!
the ironic part is that this forum and site exist as a result of multiculturalism. our writing systems, mathematics and almost all recognizable cultures in the world have been shaped by multiculturalism. our entire numbering system and algebra orginated in the middle east and north africa.
as a hats of to Mr. Breivik, he wrote his thesis in english, because of multiculturalism, Norway embracing the language element of the US and the Commonwealth and teaching it to him. the same multiculturalism he fights against is a pivotal tool in spreading his message. Not to mention that the English language itself is a product of multiculturalism!!!
the sports we play, football, cricket, tennis, hockey, baseball are all elements of someone else's society that we have adopted.
the majority who try to stake a valid argument against multculturalism happily and silently accept that parts which benefit them. it is indeed mostly bigotry or perhaps plain ignorance.
either way, i am just forced to read and shake my head
Perfect!
I know the answer of those anti-multiculteral groups. They argue that these good things belong to them and not other culture. The only thing they can keep in their mind is the bad things from other cultures but when it comes to their own culture, it is just mix of all good things!
what is this!
So lets be jewish why do we need Christianity?
If there wont be christianity this catholic church won't be exist which is always support the extremist christians in middle age!
Behring Breivik is a real killer, even he did not regret after what he did...
Second either we will blame religion for this kind of thing or not!!!! Why there is double standard when we discuss Islamist and Christianist!!!
When a Norwegian Christian does this thing we will call him as psychopath killer, but when a Islamist does we will blame Islam religion...
Stop being politician...
Think before what you are writing!
Orangestar.
and find-out why he did that?Don't jump to conclusions about him.
Maybe,he felt threaten by the drastic changes in Norway where he witnessed and come across daily since young to adulthood and one must understand that
he just might want Norwegian societies at large and the Government of the day to look into the many alien cultures brought in by immigrants.He might have given signals earlier and maybe nobody takes a second look.?
Yes, the majority of Europeans drive foreign card, eat foreign foods, speak foreign languages, have foreign royal families, etc.... I certainly don't know anyone who goes around speaking Indo- European either. Swedish language itself has been influenced by French, English and German just in the last few centuries.
The spread of cultures, humanities and ideas from around the world can have an incredibly positive influence and has shaped us as a people.
That being said, the term multiculturalism that is being thrown around today has a completely different meaning than the traditional Webster definition. There really should be another term for it to avoid confusion. Today multiculturalism is a politically correct way of saying Muslim migration into western society.
I am in not opposed to immigration. I have lived as an immigrant in six countries including this one. However, Scandinavia is not the place it was a decade ago, certainly not for the better.
Speaking of misnomers, 'Arabic numbers' are actually from India and algebra originated in Greece.
Yes...in the 30's or in the 40's the multiculturalism doesn't exist at that time in Europe.......only jewish and rom were living in Europe.Also outside Europe was the same......but not only nazism was the bad product!In the far east (China,Birmania,Russia,Iran,Iraq...)for some reasons they had the same problems.Not only in Europe.In those countries they even killed millions of citizens.
I want to remember you that Jewish and italians were throw out from Lybia by Gheddafi in the 1970.Jewish because jewish(they were there since 2000 years) and italians because sons of the colonisation.And Turkish? They colonized Lybia for 5 centuries and til the 10's and Gheddafi said nothing about them.Don't you think is a contrary discrimination?Don't you think is just racism? Italians and jewish must to go home and not turkish!!This happened only 40 yearsa go and no said nothing...from Europe or from Meddle East! Gheddafi did what the norwegian killer would like to do in Scandinavia!! More or less this is the sense. Lets' talk in awide way and not only from Scandinavian point of view! Thanks all.
But this does not prevent us from paying attention to what is happening on our continent. What struck us there are only 50 years should no longer take place in Europe whether against Jews, Roma, Muslims or anyone else. We live together with respect for each other in this blessed land and never forget that no one owns it :-)
Om Kadaffi and other criminals, as you know, thanks god, they are no longer safe.
So, in my opinion, it is obligatory to point out the cruelty and the seriousness of the extremist ideology not only in Europe, America, Africa but also in Asia, Muslim world and Israel...etc. Aaron
Breivik's delusional, murderous rampage is entirely the fault of these extreme xenophobic groups and the hatred, bigotry and lies that their cowardly sympathizers spread on every forum they can find.
Say yes to openness, tolerance and democracy. Vote SD out of the Riksdag!
Of course I do. I deplore racism anywhere and anyhow! I have mentioned elsewhere and I say again and Sweden has the LEAST racism I have ever seen in any country. From Iran to Persian Gulf's countries to Europe and the US, the least racist country is Sweden. Even Anders B. has mentioned it. Norway is probably the second. I guess this lack of racism has provoked this mass murderer especially after he had observed that racism is far more acceptable in countries like UK, Netherland and the US he has been upset about the situation in Norway.
Breivik is a psychopath --- the type who is always drawn to the violent extremes.
This "excuse" ...that "excuse" ....the problem is women, etc., they will always rationalize their insane desire to kill and cause pain and suffering.
Evil is as evil does.
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I am wondering if you also have the same concern for the other terrorist such as somalian whose sea is invaded by the western big fish boats and had to survive... Or other muslim whose oil is always exploited by the western corporation!
Don't believe the lie.
Hellsborn posted exactly what these people really think on his blog, including bigots like bcterry above.
No debate with murderers or political capital for people who sympathize with them!!
You can call me what you like, it means nothing, but the facts are clear in the U.K., France and the rest of Europe, and they are simply undeniable.
"No debate with murderers or political capital for people who sympathize with them!!"
Bleivic is a madman, and deserves no platform whatsoever, let alone the privilege to debate, and gets no sympathy from this corner, and my post suggested no such thing.
It's a sick unwarranted assumption on your part.
You may believe this deserves no discussion, but your wrong.
The reason for discussion is to prevent anything like this from happening again, NOT to escalate it.
Is that what you want?
But I am shocked over all this wasted journalistic/politic energy over the "multi-culturalism" discussion; which, somehow seems to stipulate that, once again, "The Muslims" are implicated in all of this recent satanistic carnage in Norway...
Ladies and gentlemen of Scandinavia please keep an open mind
to the events of this horrific, dastardly and, totally unnecessary, murderous deed...
And keep your focus...
Do not fall for the Rupert Murdoch mega media lies of the "Lone-Gunman" distortions of fact...followed by the alleged subsequent printing of the "Manifesto..." etc...etc...etc.
Oh, poor israel...!!!
Excuse me, but we have been down this road many, many times
before...as when I personally witnessed the corporate media printed "documentations" on the JFK and RFK assassinations...
And the subsequent mass media lies and distortions of the events of 911...
We have now come full circle and what is happening right now to the corrupt foreign-controlled government of the United States:
*** will not happen here in my homeland of Scandinavia...!!!***
This butchery of innocent civilian lives will stop...
Breivik is nothing more than a patsy and it will be proven that he did not act alone...but, instead, the media is turning him into the perfect whipping boy for everyone to be distracted from the true "New World Order" murderous political agenda...
This is a classic Mossad operation...funded with USA tax dollars...
Follow the money trail and the agenda of the "New World Order..."
Do not permit the International Bankers from stealing your Sovereignty...
Remember the bravery of the modern day Icelanders...
And, like it or not, we are, indeed, our Brothers' keepers.
They did not take a vote on this immigration instead shut down any criticism with new "hate crime" legislations. Now how they are trying to hush up the prosecution of attacks so Muslim immigration does not become a mainstream discussion. Labor's leading intellectual rofessor Thomas Hylland Eriksen of the University in Oslo says their goal of "deconstruct the majority [Norwegians] so thoroughly that it can never be called the majority again."
This leftist Jihadis alliance is happening not only in Norway, but al over Europe with the blessings of EU and also in US with Soros/CAIR/NCLR etc involved.
So Labor talks "open, democratic, love" but that is limited to the Muslim immigrants only, not their fellow native Norwegians. After all it is their country too and they need to have a say. Particularly when rapist, terrorist and Islamist laborers from Pakistan, Kosovo, and Iraq are the main immigrant group unlike educated immigrant in US/Canada etc.
The Islamic culture is so different from ours and as long as they are pushing their culture on us, you will see more of these acts.
If the muslims will not integrate with our society and follow our rules, they should go back home to their countries where they will be happy with how things are.
youtube,
"Violence is not the answer"