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Sweden's long summer days pose problems for Muslims fasting for Ramadan, which starts on Monday, with rules over the hours of the fast under discussion across Europe.
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grow up ...little kid
hard to tell these days "DUDE"! hard to tell!!!
ya, i need to chill out a bit :)
Is 'thighing' allowed during this fasting period?
@dude79, thanks for putting this ruser in his place.
@ chilitheruser. Precisely that is what you should eat, lots and lots of chili to keep your mouth closed.
No thank you. I like good and healthy food. Hope you do not mind. Do you dude79 or you Great Scott?
The vegtables and salads are very healthy. The rest seems to be meat-free. I personally think that we need to cut meat in our diet and eat more vegtables maybe it helps us to avoid our blood thirsty, hate loving approach and comments to other people!!! Avoiding this hatred will help us not become Andres B.!
I strongly recomment you to cut meat in your diet. You will be fat as a fat pig plus you will develop deabetes in a jiffy. Good luck, but please, do not recommend anything about diets if you do not know the subject. If someone follows you, he will look for you to break your nose. X my heart.
It seems that the immaturity is on your side. As said by Dude79 "not everyone is a mass murderer, nazi or terrorist." It is purely a statement such as "If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen".
When you live in another country do not expect things to be done your way. I am able to deal with that, but it seems that by your little rant things are different for you and that you have a problem. You must also know that before you post again you must ask your mother to check your grammar.
@J. L. Belmar
It is obvious that you and others were able to read and understand my first comment, you know it really does help to look before you cross the road.
I always do that. That's the reason I have survived until now. Just let me tell you a Mexican joke:
The wife: "You s.o.b. I know the maid will have a baby.
The husband: "Well, that is her problem"
The wife: "But I know that the baby belongs to you"
The husband: "Well, that is my problem."
The wife: "I will dismiss her right now"
The husband: "Well, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM".
Otherwise, I'm with Iraniboy on this. Stop the hatred.
Their world only consisted of a small region where this rule worked,, if it was god given or whatever then it should fit everywhere without trouble.
And yes, lets all stop the hatred. It always leads to bloodshed and violence, and we all don't want that.
Yes I know they eat a lot in the evening and again at dawn and its easy to fast the whole day with that amount of food in your tummy. I have seen these fast breaking dinners and I know what you are talking about.
so what is the point of fasting now? is not the whole logic lost if they eat way too much in evenings.
so ppl are intrepreting things rigidly and say the rule is we should fast in day and dont understand the logic .
@muntazir
@Iraniboy
Where on earth is there any hatred in the above comments? All that is being said is if you don't like it, go somewhere it suits you. What do you think someone would say to you if you lived in Kenya e.g. and that all you did was complain about the heat!
Just remember when in Rome, if we all stuck to that what a wonderful world it would be.
So, your analogy is wrong.
Smallnose, hehe. :)
Hisham, indeed. Peace!
It amazes me seeing people like you have such a striking intelligence. Consider reading before you post anything here. FYI...All the following are exempted from fasting Ramadan: Pregnant women, elderly people, sick people, travellers and anyone else who cannot bear the fasting.
@Rishonim #36
Well said ! "Ramadan Kareem to all". Thanks !
I say if you like food, indulge
change Ramadan to start during the winter, all the Muslims could move north and eat all day.
truthful observing Muslims,though generally,someone miscalculate the settings
of the Fasting seasons for the Muslims.Anyway,rules can be bended if it suit you and company.
God knew that weather in Scandinavia would be cold. In Makkah, 13 hours fasting (at 45C) is lot more difficult than 18 hours fasting at max 25-30C.. If your limited mind has still any doubt then consult any diet specialist on this issue..
The logic is to abstain and become more disciplined (although most of the Muslims don't follow this spirit of fasting)
They all wrong , there's no any hatred in the above comments. But there's a lot of disrespect in them and this is something absolutely disgraceful and not cool.
Anyhow, It all comes down and depends on the environment and the manners that a person has been taught and learnt from life. Therefore, People shouldn't blame others whom they don't know much about their roots.
BTW, Giving an example about the heat in Kenya shows your level of a very basic geography literacy - So keep on mentioning this example in all your posts to entertain the readers :)
I worked in Muslim countries for 10 years and they would get really tired, they were not very productive and would go home at 3pm.
Also eating or drinking in front of them was not allowed and restaurants have put to up curtains.
I am sure they will enforce that this rule in Europe in years to come. Enjoy!
Whether the comments are right or wrong in your eyes, Sweden is a country like many others in Europe that allows free speech. For you, for me and for others we have this privilege, providing what we say is not illegal or not in sighting any form of hatred. What I mean by that is don't preach to others and spread sick beliefs in an attempt to gain control.
Regarding Kenya, if you noticed it stated e.g. giving a hypothetical situation. If you ask most people, if they think Kenya is a hot country most normal people would say yes. Now let's see what you can read in that, as I feel you are providing much more entertainment to the readers than I am.
BTW I do feel that being able to reside in a county such as Sweden, being allowed freedom and respect, is more important than a persons roots. It is maybe a problem with a persons roots that is preventing their integration into a country.
You are proving my point. If you are a normal person and were able to read my comment #44 you will notice that I literally stated "this is something absolutely disgraceful and not cool.". But apparently you need thick glasses.
No one mentioned anything about "illegal" nor "free speech". Just chill out and don't get confused more than you look.
BTW, We are talking about the good manners and respect.
or
send them further north where they can go 40 days without any night !
Oh for the love of god! Fy fan! o Allah! For the sake of Mohammed!
Do you really have to even agrue about this? How pathetic! You do not see the Swedes of muslim descent whining anf grumbling when you are deciding whether to have sill or falukorv at your "Fests" or when 90% of Sweden have strawberries and cream and potatoes and are partying up a storm at mid Sommar, or singing Helan Gå at full blast, drinking "Skåne Schapps" and sucking the brains(butter) out of kräftor at Kräftkiva time.
They are not complaining about Sweden you pompus dough heads. They are just trying to synchronize their "fest" just like anyone would.
I keep hearing about the muslim people being a huge problem and I do agree, when you come to a new society you need to adjust into it instead of trying to make it adjust into you, but if this forum in any indication, for the most part it is not the muslim posters, but the Swedish posters who are scary and inflamitory. IT IS JUST A FEST PEOPLE, and it isn't your party so if you weren't invited it isn't your concern. Jeez! Get a hobby.
It seems to me that you have a problem reading what you write and what others write. You wrote about disrespect that others were showing. Just to remind you "But there's a lot of disrespect in them".
The respect that I am referring to and it is quite clear, is what you have from the country, e.g. permissions to enjoy life and be free.
So you have put your foot in it one more time, I wonder what your next silly abusive comment will be.
Yes it is to abstain, but you overindulge the moment you call the fast off for the day. so what is the point dear? Ok if you live in Tromso then how do you suggest the fast be carried out. Or even in northern sweden, the sun never sets there.
@ Learner 2011.
Not all travellers are exempted from eating, you need to travel some hundreds of kilometers in a day to get exempted, ok. I am not sure about the exact number but it is a few hundred kilometers or a large number.
When the rule was made probably they imagined you travel on a camel in baking sun and now what do you guys do, travel in a airconditioned boeing and feast like animals coz you travel a few hundred kilometers in a day.
it is 41 kilometers no matter how you travel.
You are right. They are not complaining or whining. But of course the right wing extremists on here try to analyse everything from their point of view, which is just a sad reflection of their lives.
So, according to you, those who do not praise the Muslims in Sweden who have tried and are trying for you Swedes to change your attitudes and believes, are just a bunch of right wing extremists?
You, once again, are really proving how nincompoop one can be. I cannot even advice you to grow up, because that would be an utopic wish.
Just keep on being an S.... I do not know if the S stands for Social democrat or for stupidity.
This whole discussion started with the following:
15:10 August 1, 2011 by Great Scott
They dont have to live in Sweden if it's a problem for them.
After it, you, and many others exactly or worse than you, have distorted what Great Scott said so that it fits your "I am the good
Swede Syndrome".
If someone is not happy with the canibals, he better moves before he is eaten, but you are not going to change his habits just because the "Canibal's land poses whatever".
So are you saying that some one travelling on a donkey or by foot in a scorching 50 C endures the same as someone in a landcruiser?
Is this is not finding loopholes.
I believe they (pregnant, sick and traveller) are allowed to eat because of the physical hardship. That is why religion is for people who can analyse things with common sense especially the one which has so many rules.
Dont even get me started in polygamy.
As usual, yaouw doe yav the faintest idae of what yoo miskin talken abart. I yaouw doe knoo who yaouw really am, 'oo in the hell cost soy that yaouw knoo what GreatScott meant? noo yoo miskin a mind reader too. cost even terk ter animals? arr of couss. what a noggen yedded questions I med.
what??????????
What??? That!!!
In plain English,
Sa strejeur is jacquelinee. neya wonda. both are t' sem apeth. neya wonda dis dual personality does not dig owt. wha'??? 'a'!!!
So tell me what did I mean, time for you to put your head on the block.
Please tell me and I will tell you if you are right, but wait if you know what I meant then what's the problem.
Funny J.L. Belmar thinks we are the same person especially with the heavy debate we were involved in 2 days ago. Maybe we are a lot alike after all. I, for one, take that as a compliment ;-)
Do not overdo it. There is a hell of a difference between you two.
Where are you, I am waiting for you to answer my question.
I will give you 24 hours to answer, if you do not answer I am going find you on another topic, there is no escape.
I have the hunch that @Streja is about to throw the towel. She will never cope with Heavyweights.
You are right, but I bet if the boot was on the other foot she would not let it die.
She is trying to atone for the crimes committed against the Islamic people by her ancestors.
Yes! High crimes against Islam!!!!
The poor peace loving Muslims were cruelly driven from their homes in lovely Iberia by The Catholic Spaniards in 1492....Ahhhh, history! LOL X3
Yes, the Moors invaded Spain, but...
they were a nomadic people from North Africa; originally they were the inhabitants of Mauretania. They invaded Spain, taking their Islamic religion and culture with them, in 711, where they overran the Visigoths. They spread northward across the Pyrenees into France, but they were turned back by Charles Martel and his Frankish knights in 732.
They were thrown out from Spain by Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, the famous "Cid Campeador" the legendary hero of the reconquering of Spain
El Cid (1045-1099), also called El Cid Campeador, is the name commonly used for the important Castilian knight and hero, Rodrigo (or Ruy) Diaz de Vivar, who was born in Bivar (Vivar).
He battled the Moriscos (Spanish for Moors or Muslims)
As you can read Great Scott, the Moors or Muslims is the same. The word in Spanish is Moriscos.
Europe is already half engulfed by the Moriscos.
The culture that they brought was lightyears ahead of the Europeans' culture back then.
The Muslims that were thrown out were mostly Iberians who had converted to Islam. Some practices their religion in secrecy still in the early 17thC, so that's whny they were expulsed.