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The government’s offer of performance-based bonuses to immigrants who learn Swedish in under a year has failed to produce results, according to a new report.
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The government would do much better with acknowledging English as a secondary official language and expect immigrants to either learn Swedish or speak English. All Swedes speak English already and the vast majority of all immigrants do so it's a win-win.
It was today that I applied for the SFI bonus after I took the SFI D exam precise 6 months after I started SFI and I received VG so you couldn't even say that it was on the edge.
It could have been even faster as the whole month of July was off because everyone had summer holiday. I know some other people who took the SFI D exam in 4 months from 0 Swedish knowledge.
Now I will start SAS and I plan to finish it in 6 months as well. I think if you go to school all the time and learn 1-2 hours a day, you can do it this quick.
Because in a month they get almost the same amount of money from the community without doing anything except going to school.
And later on when they finish school and remain jobless, they are going to get money again without working!
The bonus makes a difference only for people why aren't on asylum basis, like immigrants from the EU or those on sambo permits.
The only way to make it more seductive, is to increase the amount of money and give it to the ones with higher scores who have worked really hard!
Maybe they need to invest that 100 million kronor in better teaching. I had 3 different teachers sho each went over the same thing and all in a different way and the books were designed for 12 year olds. It is a hard langusge to learn, at least it is for me and arrogant and impatient instructors do not help.
It all depends on your instructor here. Mine doesn't do that. She never starts all over again when there are new students.
I guess yu have to work so much by yourself away from them. I have talked to mine and told her my intentions of finish SFI quickly and she was helpful. She provided me with more books and sources to study from and she meets up with me every now and then to discuss what i have read and if I had any questions....etc.
But I agree with you about the fact that they add just anybody to a class that is supposed to have for example better educated ones. It is indeed unorganized.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that they always tell you that you can have that SFI course as an individualized course and count much on yourself.....Do it!
Do you want to deal with illiterate immigrants instead?
Lots of the people who attend SFI (esp from Somalia or God knows where in Africa) don't read or write. Would that be a better alternative for you?
Again, what I see and hear everyday is "We get enough money without working!"
the government already gives them money so why should they bother going to look for jobs and learn the language since they already get paid for just hanging out at school with other people from their own country
I finished it D with VG for 5 months and belives me it could be faster but the whole system is made to stop u as much as possible. SFI bonus is not aplying for most of EU even if it is aplied it takes more than 2 months to get this bonus. Now Im in SAS and more or less same slow and full with peopel who ar enot motivated bcs they get moeny from csn or state..really pity for all of the taxes that swedish people paid.
Like one of the guys who posted here earlier said, there should be a regulation saying that the money from the community would be reduced if they don't move their lazy **** and become more active and involved.
U havnt been to these classes to see how iretering is to be around the poeple who really dont want to learn anything,, I am achiving my goals, dont worry about that.
I saw many refugees who dosent want to intigrate at all..thats what I am talking.. they are going to school only bcs they get money for that.
@Aquos
What teacher you have makes NO difference, because your teacher keeps changing every damn week anyways. Maybe you go to some special SFi that actually works, but where I go, it's fu**ed up.
Sweden is a nice country, receives people from all over the world in hard conditions, does not charge for ANYTHING. The opposite, it gives money for people to do NOTHING, and pays EXTRA for the to leave the ghettos!
Where is Sweden failing? I would say: stop spoiling everyone. Swedes are no responsible for sustaining people that simply want to take cheap advantage of the welfare state.
I say: stop the benefit, and condition the permanence to some useful effort. Either study, or do some work.
I have taken already 3 classes at folkuniversitetet and it s expensive
No, my teacher doesn't change. I have had the same one for 3 months now and it's almost the same for all the other classes.
Again, it has something to do with you, it's their unorganized system. But I still believe you can do it on your own if you're willing to.
@Pcgomes
I'm just against anyone who abuses the system!
I hear unbelievable stories everyday from refugees who are so proud of "being smart enough" to get more money from the community by manipulating the system! And yet, they still complain when payment is delayed one or two days!
I heard one guy with 9 children saying "I get more money from the community for my children than I could ever earn by working!"
It's so damn pathetic and sick!
And those people at the Skolverket and SFI have some weird belief that the SFI bonus has some motivating role....blah!
Spot freaking ON! People are taken here LITERALLY from the mud like the orcs in Lord of the Rings, brought here, given money, free education, apartment....EXTRA money if they pass an exam.... While they sit and whine about how the language is hard.... Oh, them awful, RACIST swedes!!! How could they be so inconsiderate and invent such a hard language??? It was definitely directed and planned on purpose as an attempt to insult the immigrant population.
@Abe -"The government would do much better with acknowledging English as a secondary official language"
Hey Abe. I have an idea - let's all learn arabic and make them gullible swedes start speaking it...
They will be too afraid to look racist, so they will accept the arrangement and start going to AAS and AFM (arabiska för medborgare). All the Iraqi/Afghani/Somali blessings upon this land already speak the language - so what is the problem? And if you are from some irrelevant european country, then study arabic, or go back to where you came from! Eh? How do you like the idea?
Let's delete the identity, literature and culture of this unreasonable country and FORCE swedes speak other language, because you, Abe are experiencing difficulties in learning their language. What a wonderful and reasonable demand!
Instead of being in awe and thank the swedes for being such geniuses in English (unlike majority of other european countries from Finland, through France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Eastern european block through Italy) and making it easier on you, you start demanding from them to speak it as your own legal right... Like a beggar who robs someone who just gave him a sandwich.
If you dont like it, dont go.
Shut up about how its unfair that you didn't get some bonus. You get an education that would cost you way more. Get a private tutor and see what bonus you get there.
Me me me me. Shut up
i went to SFI while holding on to a full time job, barely studied at home and i finished SFI in 4 and a half months, i'm doing SAS B right now and still working full time but i have friends who were in SFI 3 years before i came there and they are still there.
The fact that people have to be given incentives to do so is sad. They should want to do it because they personally want to assimilate.
When I travel to other nations I attempt to speak their language to the best of my ability...sometimes failing miserably, but at least I'm making the effort.
About the Swedish language, I've found it fairly easy to pick up. Not really any harder than the German language was for me. I actually feel worse for people that have to learn English. It's a fairly confusing language.
You know what sucks even more? At the end of your routinely messirable and depressing day which you have been accustumed to by now, your neighbour, who has never had a job in this country, offers to drive you on his way home in his new second car which he has just bought for 55,000 Kr while telling you as casually as he possibly can that he doesn't want a job.
Not really relevant to the article but I just had to share it with someone.
Forget arbetsförmedlingen. Go directly to the companies sites. Always works .
As for the neighbour - it will come back to him. One way or another. Especially when the mortgage bubble here bursts and the govt will start cutting on spending. Your neighbour and his 8 kids will be sleeping in his second car... and whining about lack of justice of course.
The teachers I encountered knew absolutely NOTHING about swedish grammar and avoided teaching it like the plague. Their idea of teaching grammar (when they did it) was to hand out an overly simplistic sheet on say pronouns without any explanation (here... do this). If you asked questions, they just got confused. My teachers seemed to think that having organized boardwork alone makes you a good teacher. They clearly had no training in keeping tasks relevant, varied, and in skill building (lessons are disjointed and there is frequent downtime). I've been told that teacher schools in sweden attract the lowest of the low (no one with skills wants to be a teacher)... I'm not sure if SFI teachers actually have any qualifications apart from speaking swedish, but what I've seen would appear to support this statement.
Class time is about three hours long. At least half of that time is spent staring blankly at a wall waiting for something... anything... to happen. I started ignoring the "lesson" and just studying on my own during class so that it was not just a total waste of time.
The level-tests that SFI administers take three hours. Why, I have no idea. Perhaps so the test administrators can get a bigger paycheck? Perhaps just to waste our time. Is there any other explanation? And the content of the tests is remarkable for its inability to test swedish skills. I know almost no swedish, and yet I could pass into level D easily. Honestly... it's a complete joke.
This program should not be shut down, but they should put some of this money into actually training their teachers and creating a challenging, not frustrating environment for students.
It takes time to learn a language so to give the bonus to only those persons who just arrived to Sweden does not make sense. Those of us who have been here for some time and are in SFI should be allowed to have the same rights. Even though I have been here 4 years, I only had the chance to start SFI last fall, but I have only one part of SFI to finish, so I have nearly finished the entire course in a half of a year, but I do not get the bonus because I did'nt come after november 2010.
It's not fair! rather you have been been here for months or years it does not change the fact a person is learning in SFI.
I am from America and my husband is Swedish, and I work really hard to learn Swedish. I get no help from anybody, but I see many in my class who don't even try to learn and they get assistance fromt he government as long as they are in SFI otherwise they have to go get a job. Why would the learn when they get payments from the government while in the program.
We can hardly pay our bills and they drive up in fancy cars.
I have
try arabic, chinese, spanish, german, russian, dutch, thai, malaysian, or french for that matter.
if you are illiterate ANY learning will be hard, which may be the case if you come from a war torn country.
my wife learned Swedish in 3 months and apart from the odd grammatical error reads, speaks and writes very well.
I see many of them everyday and I keep wondering "What on earth is that?"
Swedish is difficult. I am not given much money. I need "them" to get me a bigger appartment. SFI is not good. Swedes are racists!
Well, any foreign language is difficult! That's the rule. So please try before you complain. personally I don't think Swedish is as difficult as Arabic or even Chinese. And it's definitely easier than French or German.
"I am not given much money".....huh? And were you able to get that amount of money where you came from? And if you went to say France, Italy, Canada, US...etc as a refugee, did you expect to get any money from the gov?
SFI is not good.....Go to the UK or the US as a refugee. Is there an "EFI" (English for Immigrants)? Which is free AND all you have to do is attending it to get money from the community!
I think Swedes are not racists at all, but of course many would be pissed off knowing that the money they pay as taxes goes to lazy bums who do nothing but complaining, trying to manipulate the system and do nothing to improve their lives!
GROW UP!
I really cant understand alll these refugees who are complain from evrything all the time and quickly forget what they had in they are home countries.
I think is time Sweden to wake up and stop this free education for all, nothing in life is free and if u want to live in Sweden you have to make the eforts to learn and pay for this then u will be motivated and will study at home not just saying my 9 or 10 kids didnt let me study.
I think the bonus is very nice and definitely contributed to me learning faster, although I do feel like it's truly a bonus and don't feel a sense of entitlement about it. I was surprised when I first learned about it. It was good having that motivator, though, as I may have otherwise gotten lazy with learning and fallen back on English.
The problem with the bonus is how Sweden has SFI and social benefits set up. Most of the people that are eligible for the bonus are refugees and like Aquos said above, they earn more money in a month sitting there not learning than the entire bonus is worth. There's absolutely no motivation to get through SFI quickly for them. When I was in SFI there were people there that had been in Kurs A for 2 years already and they were still there when I left.
SFI is like a daycare center for adults. 90% of the people there are only there because they have to go in order to collect socialbidrag. There's constant talking, phones ringing, children being brought in, dancing etc. Here the teachers were even threatened. It was so loud and disruptive that the few there wanting to learn had a very difficult time.
Tbh, I think the teachers passed people along faster than they should of if they showed any interest in learning at all. SAS is completely different than SFI, people don't get paid to go there so there was a huge difference in the quality of student and class. That was nice but at the same time it would've been nice to learn more grammar and more of the basics in SFI before moving on. You can't do that because it's a complete zoo.
If its expensive, its good.
If its free, its generally not worth your time.
If you GET money for doing it, its a trap.
So what the hell are they doing?
And btw. SFI sucks so bad because its filled up with analphabets!
Swedish is not hard to english/german-speaking people. You get so much for free.
By the way, I study Swedish at Folkuniversitetet. Not because I need, but because I want. It's a good way to understand the culture and impress my Scandinavian relatives. Instead of talking about the weather I can say a few words in Swedish and instantly start a conversation. Beautiful. Done.
PS. The Local has too many stressed readers. I have been reading a few comments and there are always angry, short-fused users. People using "ad hominem" arguments and so on. Let's relax a bit, shall we? This is only the interwebz, not a real life discussion. Anyway, a troll is a troll and the haters are gonna hate.
Cheers!
@ Ludde Svensson: Doesn't your condescending self not think that the people complaining here would take English speaking jobs if there were there to be taken? Kanske du behöver att tänker forst innan du pratar/skriver. Ask your folkuniversitetet teacher what that means and see what a beautiful conversation starter it can be.
Oh....cheers!
Your post in Swedish contains grammar and spelling mistakes. I hope you're still attending Swedish classes.
Or perhaps we just stop importing illiterate Somalis in the first place.
Problem solved.
I then went on to Komvux (with the same teacher strangely) to do Gymnasiesvenska. At the end of that she told me she wanted to give me a grade 5 (best) but couldn't, because, she said, "Immigrants cannot get the best grade - this has been decided higher up". So I got grade 4. She was so ashamed, and told me so, but it didn't really bother me. I have since then been asked on several occasions over the years which part of Sweden I come from (and I am from the UK), so I guess no one really needed to see my diploma.
Erik Ullenhag: Is it still true that immigrants 'cannot get the best grade'? Or has the Swedish government finally decided that the impossible is now possible?
Now I know why I am paying TEN TIMES as much tax, in Sweden, as I paid in the UK.
@All the racists on this thread - hang your heads in shame.
For all your information, SFI levels A and B are ONLY for people with less than ten years education , e.g. those from war torn countries like Somalia who have had little education and don't even know the alphabet. Anyone from any country where there is a half decent education system should begin at level C. The bonus is only for those from outside the EU who manage to finish the whole course in under a year. Not very easy if you are for example a Thai or Arabic speaker. Therefore not many get the bonus! Phew.
I have been in Sweden eight months, am feeling pretty comfortable with the language now, obviously not fluent yet but comfortable in most situations. SFI definitely helped! I had two very good teachers. Both were tall, blonde, attractive and extremely competent. The course was flexible and allowed me to progress at my own rate. What more could one ask for?
Swedish is a very logical language grammatically. The spelling reform circa 100 years ago organized everything and made it very phonetic and therefore easier to learn. The hardest thing is the pronunciation. Practise those 'hard' vowels folks!
In my SFI C class there were 20 people from 18 different countries, from every corner of the world. What a fantastic cultural experience! And it was free.
To sum up, I don't agree with the Swedish policy of taking in so so many asylum speakers but I do absolutely agree with and recommend the fantastic free education system. Obviously beginning with SFI for all non Swedes.
Yes!
00:23 August 30, 2011 by mollis
Yes!
02:21 August 30, 2011 by missjane30
Yes!
05:00 August 30, 2011 by Skidmark
Welcome to Sweden!
07:06 August 30, 2011 by Uggla
Free education and you still want more!?!
09:20 August 30, 2011 by Aquos
Yes!