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Police in Gothenburg, on the west coast of Sweden, arrested four people during the early hours of Sunday on probable cause suspected of preparing terrorist crime, confirmed Sara Kvarnström, press officer of the Swedish Security Services (Säpo), to news agency TT.
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If people can not be loyal to their new home they should be deported
No, I am sure they are as innocent babies. And if they are not, I am sure that they are actually Mossad agents (according to Wikileaks of course).
Please, cut this nonsense!
As for arresting 'real criminals and gangs' they probably would arrest 10 times more if ordinary law-abiding citizens were willing to come forward and testify as to what they have witnessed. Regrettably most content themselves with moaning and in this 'case' it appears the police have intervened BEFORE anyone set fire to cities. Apparently, that is also reason to complain.
They will 'milk' 9/11 for as long as joe public wants total certainty of safety. The next thing,under human rights, we will hear is a banana skin brigade patrolling our cities...
Good for you that you wanna live in a police controlled environment, giving you the illusion that you are safe and at the same time, giving you nightmares of being under constant threat of terrorist attacks of some sort. Good for you, man!
Now, what I think and I express is none of your business to analyze.
When you place comment in the public domain on a public comment board,it is unreasonable not to expect some sort of response.My apologies if any of my comments caused you offense. It is not personal.
That having been said, it might be appropriate for you to apologise if any of your comments caused offence to anyone else in the 'public domain' where you saw fit to post your comments.
I am not holding my breath waiting...
Note: I did address this post to you. My previous post, as an objective 'analysis' would reveal, covered a number of points made by a number of 'posters'.
If the police have reasonable grounds to arrest someone for terrorism offences, of course they should do so. What kind of dimwit suggests they should not?
If, after subsequent investigations, examination of the evidence, or trial, it turns out no offence has been commiteed, or that the offence was commited by someone else, they should be released without charge. This is standard policing everywhere in the world. Do some posters here actually go through life believing that arresting suspects in terrorism investigations is unique to Sweden?
The four people arrested this morning can explain themselves, and if they are innocent, then they have nothing to worry about.
As for the comfort that the police state gives to me personally, I should think that some of my friends that were vandalized the other night by some stupid teenagers were in a more immediate need of help that the people that were supposedly object to the terrorist attack, that oh, wait a minute, it's exactly ten years after September 11. What a shock, people, can't these terrorists choose another date for God's sake? However, the people who attacked my friends are out there and the police is taking it very easily to say the least.
How strange that all major terrorist threats get their way through and are undiscovered until performed. What we hear is just a bunch of hypotheses which serve nothing else than creeping people out.
And oh, to be clear, posting your idea somewhere does not mean that it is open for analysis. Everyone has got their own opinions. Good for you for keeping your own and respecting the others'.
And you wonder why you viewed as you are.
secondly, I would imagine that your friend might accept being roughed up a bit, because the Police were busy on a raid that potentially saved lifes. Policing is all about priorities. Remember even after a thousand attempts the terrorist only needs to be successful once, the odds are permanently against the Police and other agencies. The west is 'lucky' there have not be other such major attacks in the last 10years because the security services have been looking in the right direction, but who knows what the future brings.
If you think you have if tough, why don't you walk the streets at night in Mexico City or Bogata, you won't have to worry about Islamic terrorist or a nanny police state then, other things will be on your mind.
How about norwegians and US forces for a bet?
My religion is life, and what serves to protect it. Doubting the next person I see, is not part of my philosophy of life.
I believe in people and I also believe in the good in them. I might be a dreamer, but this is my take on it. I wouldn't like wasting my life in making categories.
So if you stop for a second and think beyond the box, you wouldn't make these stupid comments with no basis whatsoever.
Do not type in vain! Good night, go back playing with your smartphone now!
For a normal person, capturing a criminal leads to rejoice hand happiness but capturing and humiliating an innocent person is sad and condemned. For sick and racist people however it is not important if someone is innocent or guilty the important thing is their demographic attribution. Once you realize your mental sickness and you excessive desire to find out people's democraphic background you can try to mend it!
@Uncle
You are sure they innocent? But I'm not! I just remember that the last two incidents that police captured someone for terrorist attacks in Arlanda and Gothenburg were hoax.
We are now having anniversary of the terrific 9/11 when 3000 innocent Americans were killed by terrorism while we don't mention 6000 Americans were killed afterwards due to political and economical benefits let alone hundreds of housands of innocent people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are using gasoline to exinguish a fire!
The overwhelming majority of innocent deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan have been committed by muslim on muslim.
Muslims are the ones throwing gasoline on the fire.
I am sure you were also taking wagers in Norway shootings.
Jumping to conclusions is not a good idea, trying to put blame for few peoples bad deeds on a whole nation, religion, ethnicity is even worse. But I guess people who know that already don't need reminder.
Exact words used by your buddy Kent Ekroth of SD just after the Norwegian massacre.
Plagiarism??
Is it me or am I missing any indication of the suspects "demographics"?
Last time I checked there were other people living in Gothenburg besides Muslims.
The safe bet is always muslim terrorism in this day and age. What is it about Islam that makes it so attractive for violence to those wishing to attack innocents? Breivik was a loon who happened to be a Christian. Where were his exclamations of "Jesus is great" while he murdered? The media has focused so much on the fact that he is a "Chrisitian" terrorist. In his manifesto, where was his religious basis for his violence? His basis was political not religious. Followers of Allah who commit violence always seem to do it in his name and have Koranic versus to back their actions. At the very least Mohammed was a violent warlord who left death in his wake. Suras like 33:21 put his actions on a pedestal for all to follow. This is why beheadings and underage marriage is so popular in muslim cultures. They are only following the example their prophet set for all. Liars like Iraniboy always make excuses for the religion of peace, which is anything but peaceful.
Because Sweden and it's media have such a great track record of honestly including demographics in it's news stories and statistics about crime.
Fail.
You are right, no mention in the story at all. That is why I said, "bet." However on the tenth anniversary of Sept. 11th, do you really think that any terrorism is going to be anything but Islamic?
Säpo agrees with me and Ekroth apparently. Islamic terror in Sweden continues to be the biggest threat, according to their intel.
http://www.thelocal.se/35970/20110906/
Your views on other religions are very convenient to support your distorted beliefs.
Not much different than the Breivik's, Jihadists , leftist and seperatists beliefs of that which is THEIR VIEW.
Yes, I guess the fellas over at Säpo are just more "evil right wing radicals" and "Nazis" like Breivik then?
Or maybe they are interested in the truth instead of puss och kram fantasy.
Thank god.
Where in my post did you read that I included Säpo?
Lay off the crack.
@muscle
Not that improbable. But I just think that Caleb is misguided, misinformed and sheltered. But he is a cool guy otherwise. Kent Ekroth on the other hand is THE SD mastermind.
Considering @Caleb shares the same "distorted" beliefs as Säpo about the fact that Islamic terrorism is still the largest and most likely terrorist threat in Sweden...
You do the math. Or try anyway.
Cool disregard of my sarcastic comments about Wikileaks. Liked it.
No, you right. We should not arrest terrorists but hug them with love. Send more money to the countries that sponsor terror. Give more refugee tickets to the sources of islamism. Love and get slapped.
We agree on one thing. We use gasoline to extinguish fire. What YOU think though that should be done is using LESS gasoline in order to let the fire die (which is impossible due to historical strive for violent expansion for islam). I say, use MORE gasoline in order to make it not profitable for people to support terror.
Before 9/11, muslim world lived in peace and relative quiet. After 9/11 it got all "#¤# up. Before attacks on Beslan, chechens lived in de facto freedom. Now they are licking the boot of violent russians (look up the praise of Putin by Kadyrov).
At the same time, countries like Sweden were bending over to the islamists and the result was - more and more threats on these countries. Islam is a hungry pitbull that needs to be held within a cage. Otherwise it causes havoc. Feeding it and clapping it only makes it stronger and more daring.
Here is a novel idea. Why not putting an end to lumping all Muslims in with the actions of terrorists.
Then maybe we could work with the Muslims to defeat this "evil pitbull" of terrorism.
I am fully aware of your agenda. To demonize Islam as to help Israel. But, as evident by the vast majority of Israelis themselves, they do not share your opinion on Islam.
Only when we can work WITH the Muslims, can we defeat these terrorists. But at times one wonders if your world view is not exactly in line with these extremists. Meaning that their actions make your goals more attainable.
No terrorists and what would Uncle use as justification for his world view? Maybe being more creative in finding solutions short of another Holocaust? Naah. Too much work and brain power needed.
Come on man, grow up. We are all tired of your "opinions".
Nice catch-phrase.
Recognising the good in others does not begin with insults, derisory remarks about their intellectual capacity or their race, religion, colour or whether they own a smartphone or not. Or whether they agree entirely with your point of view.
Here's a catch-phrase for you:
Respect for each other.
Because I really do believe in the inherent goodness of people,I am willing to trust that Police and other public servants generally are trying their best to discharge their often very difficult duties. I do not buy into the current vogue for conspiracy theorising,especially in societies where we can throw people out every 4 years (or less) if we are not satisfied.
I am perfectly happy for those who live in a democracy but don't trust their own govs or institutions, to move to Iran, Syria, or some other similar non-democratic tyrannical place.
Please, I cannot laugh more for today, leave some bs for tomorrow.
You are speaking for Western Europe.
In the US the Caucasian birth rate is 2.1. Europe it's 1.4. All of Europe's cushy social welfare will collapse when there are 2 pension/medical draining retired parents for every 1 working child in 40 years but no one seems to care. You think the Europe's finances are bad now...wait and see.
Social/economic unrest + swelling Islamic masses = Europe becomes hell on earth.
But yes, in 100 yrs. America will be the only Western country left on earth. It will be strongly Hispanic as well but they assimilate to US culture and share similar cultural values so there is little ideological friction. It's not about "race" it's about values.
America will still be America. Europe will be Yemen.
What happens when the bills come due? Let's look at America's financial management: trillions of dollars of debt, a post office that can not afford to pay it pensions month to month, housing market downfall that has caused the price of houses to fall to the prices of the mid 1900's and the continued lack of jobs (new American English slang "99'ers").
Yes, the dollar is still strong after Moody's downgraded America's viability. However, it is unrealistic to believe this trend can continue without severe repercussions a la a depression; MTV's new reality series "The Grapes of Wrath".
I do not think Americans are aware of how many middle easterners live in America because the country is so large and why European countries are so aware of this issue--they are smaller in comparative. What I am not sure is why terrorist attack Sweden or Norway. Sweden is a known peaceful land with some pockets of controversial here and there; extremely minor if we look at America.
I want to address the false impression you give of values in America. It continues to digress. There is such a income divide between the wealthy and poor/dwindling middle class that Americans in my opinion are more self serving than ever before. In Sweden, people can get up from their seat on the SJ with the lap top on the table and not fear it will be stolen. Wallets with large amounts of kronors are returned. What about this article? (http://www.economist.com/node/21528302). Rodney King riots? Hurricane Katrina vs Japan earth quake; look at the difference of behavior before it became very evident the government couldn't handle a disaster.
Europeans for the most part are much more cultured and value sensitive than Americans.
related news in the Scandinavia and now not only news on terrorism or terrorists
but brutal acts of terrorism committed by terrorists in the name of religion.If the
Government and natives Swedish are still naive that these immigrants would
integrate into Swedish society,just wait patiently for the next thousand year.
your ability to make assumptions about others is only bested by your inability to extend civility to others.
Seems like you have an expert knowledge of bs.
As for me, I prefer to wait until all the facts are in about this case before assuming that the Police, or anyone else other than the accused, have been plotting some great conspiracy.
"Here is a novel idea. Why not putting an end to lumping all Muslims in with the actions of terrorists."
Here is a brilliant approach. Why would we connect the actions of the SS to the Nazi Germany? By FAR not everyone was in the SS, so why would we be so unfair to this country's political structure and views of superiority? I mean whats the diff? The "moderate" islam allows executions of sexual minorities. "Moderate" islam propagates excuses physical extermination of the non-believers (whether by convincing or killing). "Moderate" islam OK's inequality of a female. "Moderate" islam propagates territorial expansion. It also defines the real muslims as a superior kind of people. See the parallel? Or tired of not having an argument against it?
"I am fully aware of your agenda. To demonize Islam as to help Israel. "
No, no. You got it wrong. Islam demonizes itself as the SS contributed to demonization of the Nazis. Of course I want to help Israel, as it is on the front of the western world and draws a lot of fire on itself, busying "the brothers" from exploding in the european buses in more significant amounts.
"Maybe being more creative in finding solutions short of another Holocaust?"
You see, this is the funny thing. Muslims would not oppose another Holocaust. They would actually be happy to be on the contributing side of it. Not once and not twice did the muslim leaders encourage a physical elimination of the Jews in Middle East. But, a gullible little lambs like cowboy forget about these little "misunderstandings" and blame people who opposes islam as a philosophy.
"We are all tired of your "opinions"."
Read through what I wrote and see the correct use of quotes. My opinions are my opinions. They do not become "opinions" if you disagree with them.
"You see, this is the funny thing. Muslims would not oppose another Holocaust."
Oh really? Are you basing your 'Opinion" on historical facts or childish emotions?
Who saved the Jews from Iraq thousands of years ago? I will give you a clue, it is the same country who has the most number of Jews in the ME outside of Israel.
Also, who massacred the Jews by the millions? Was it the Muslims or the Europeans?
But I am sure your revisionist history mind is fast at work to answer this with more of your "OPINIONS".
I agree with most on immigration and integration issues, believe it or not. But not for the bigoted reasons you hold as truths.
Does Islam need moderation and modernization? Yes. Does bigotry, generalization and misinformation need elimination? Absolute YES.
Again, more creativity on your part and others is key. You are like a broken record.
Have a good week.
I would agree with you wholeheartedly that Europe is the more pleasant place to live TODAY.
But we're talking about 50+ yrs from now.
Because Europeans are too self absorbed to bother having children, there will be a dramatic population decline and all the social welfare everyone has come to expect will be financially unsustainable when there are 2 retirees for every worker.
That combined with the fact that in 50 yrs. the continent will be demographically unrecognizable and much more densely populated by followers of a violent, authoritarian religion makes for something that has no resemblance to Europe today value wise.
America may not be perfect but it will still be consistently America. Europe will be something else entirely because everyone is too busy enjoying being more "cultured" to bother having kids.
Agreed!!! Enjoy what you have started Sweden:)
"Oh really? Are you basing your 'Opinion" on historical facts or childish emotions?"
Fox news. "Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration" Jan08,2009.
http://trevorloudon.com/2009/04/hamas-calls-to-exterminate-jews/ (video)
"Stockholm Mosque Calls for Exterminating Jews" 28 Nov. 2005
http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/ahmadinejad_words.htm
The above link is cool, since it quotes Ahmadinejad year by year.
Enough? Need more? I could dig out hundreds of references to denial of Holocaust, calls to exterminate, generalization of ALL Jews on government and clerical level. I could tell you the content of education program in Syria and Palestinian authority. I could give you proof where physical harm to Jews is encouraged on "moderate" level. Wanna bet? It is just there is a limit on links and you will not visit these links anyways. But I am ready to try.
"Who saved the Jews from Iraq thousands of years ago?"
Given that Islam exists only 1,4 thousands of years, it would be interesting to hear, who saved jews "thousands of years ago". Could you please give me another hint?
"Also, who massacred the Jews by the millions? Was it the Muslims or the Europeans?"
It was Europeans (not including the Iranian and trans Jordanian cooperation with the Nazis). However who calls for the physical extermination of Jews from the Middle East NOW? Is it Europeans? Hardly. If the muslims CAN'T do that (so far) does not mean that they don't WANT to. Look at the wars of Israel so far and you will see that they did their best. Especially with the bombing and rocketing of EXCLUSIVELY civilian population.
Did I "explain" my "opinion" "well", or "more" proof is "needed"?
So we are then clear that Jews were exterminated (at least attempted), by non-Muslims.
Hateful people screaming at the top of their lungs, (sound familiar?) about their dislike and disapproval of a certain ethnic group does not a massacre make.
IN FACT, more death and destruction is brought upon by Jihadists to their fellow Muslims than any other group.
Jews and Israel do not need your protection. They have managed well.
Hint (even though I know that you know the answer): Talk to some Iranian Jews, some of my best friends, who long for the day to go back to their country, when this crazy regime is finally taken down.
"IN FACT, more death and destruction is brought upon by Jihadists to their fellow Muslims than any other group"
That is because they prey on their SURROUNDINGS and not because they love Jews. The more muslims there is in China, Phillipines, Europe, USA, the more dangerous they become to the surrounding people.
"Jews and Israel do not need your protection. They have managed well".
I am sorry, but you use a cheap trick to divert the conversation. What I do is trying to expose similarities between Islam and Nazism as way of life. If they share a common hatred to Jews, is just one more proof point and is not related to whether israelis/jews need my protection or not. If both alligators and hyenas like to eat rabbits, the "common line of business" classifies them as carnivores and there is no connection to whether rabbits need protection or not.
"Hint (even though I know that you know the answer): Talk to some Iranian Jews,."
Hint (although I understood that you understood your error), whenever Iranians (Persians to be correct) saved Jews (from their own minister btw), what religion did they have? Mmm? A hint. Not Islam.
On the other hand, read about purification that Jews suffered at the hand of muslims under the Mongol rule in Persia (1291). The violence committed against Jews "neither tongue can utter, nor the pen write down" (Bar Hebraeus - chrisitan historian). Also read that it was forbidden to touch an "unpure" Jew and Jews could not use public baths. I am not even getting into marriage laws.
BTW, another similiarity to nazism: Jews were forced to carry markings that indicated them as Jews to the "pure" religion members in Persia. Sounds familiar?
What does this prove? It proves, dear cowboy, that you, together with your socialist friends are the ones, who cannot differ race from religion, not us - the "right wing".
I wish YOU an excellent week.
Its pointless talking to you. Your hate has consumed you fully.
Oh well.
Good luck.
I don't see how my views are distorted. Islam is dangerous. Now, are there muslims that will live peacfully with those around them? Of course! However, they are not the ones causing trouble, nor are they the ones who will be in power if Europe becomes Eurabia. The silent peaceful majority never are the ones in power. Show me the liberal muslim leaders in the muslim countries of the world. There is not one country where this is a reality. Islam and freedoms for minorities don't mix when Islam is the majority. Thinking that Europe will be the exception is a distorted view in my opinion. As the saying goes, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." I stand conservative on the problem of Islam.
Oh by the way, I was right about the demographics, not Swedish. Big surprise.
All the posts that i have seen from Uncle, are based on documented, verifiable facts.
As far as hate goes, there is absolutely nothing wrong with hating a dictatorial, subjugating, bigoted, intolerant, fascist ideology.
Thank you.
You defined it shortly and precisely.
The facts will always win out in the end.
Keep fighting the good fight.
For all the Muslim posters who always bring up Israel as the world evil, i think you should read this from a Turkish Daily Newspaper that can supply you with real FACTS about how many Muslims Israel has killed in all its wars and Anti Terror actions and how many Muslims have been killed by fellow Muslims in the Middle East since 1948. And please remember this is a TURKISH Newspaper, NOT Israeli.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=why-golda-meir-was-right-2011-08-23
That is one of the most interesting factual articles I have ever seen.