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Sweden Democrat leader Jimmy Åkesson's complaint that an imam 'politicised' the religious service that opened the Riksdag last week, raises an interesting point about the place of religion and in Swedish politics, argues contributor Ruben Brunsveld.
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This is not the case, at most about 1/3 are atheists (whenever you see high numbers about this on the interwebtubes they always include agnostics in the atheist figure which makes the figure about 2x higher then it should be) and if you spend some time talking to them about these things you will find that they have beliefs about such things as ghosts, auras and aliens. Some even have complete eschatologies of machines taking over the world.
Now is it out of place for politicians to be involved in the church? Not according to the church or the political parties, the Swedish church is a democratic church where many political parties (from the government) routinely run for office in church elections.
And if you want to see what happens when the church and government is not separated, look at the USA: in Texas schools can choose to teach "intelligent design" and/or "creationism" INSTEAD of evolution. In Greece they plan to ban any social security (or other personal number) which contain the number 666. They were even thinking of not letting tourists in who have 666 in their passport number. (http://www.cogwriter.com/news/religious-news/greek-orthodox-concerned-about-666/)
This change lacks a democratic mandate since it was never put to the people. And thus the rift is turning into an abyss that will consume us all.
is this how you want to live in sweden - like saudi arabia?
Why have a religious service to anything related to the government in a secular country ?
islam is an evangelical right wing religious based political ideology.
I dont even need to tell the bad stuff that comes with it.
christians have their own ideologies of how to burn gays and whatnot.
separate the insanity from politics plz.
This columnist has no idea what he's writing about.
If you want to get rid of insanity get rid of atheism, especially of fundamentalist atheism.
My daughter has choir practice in of all places.... a 14th century old sitting vacant church in our town. My wife and countless other moms get together several times a year and host large loppis ( flea market) in which they sell hundreds of childrens garments at of all places.. the old abandoned church.
Most people can't even remember back far enough when there actually was a church service held there. In fact except for the fact that over 80% of swedes are born into the the Church of Sweden automatically. Ironically as much as sweden preaches that church and state should never be intergrate., the Church of Sweden ( Luthern) is run and operated by the state and regularly is involved in all of the political process ( the Social Democrats, the Moderates and the Centre Party).
If one is going to collect religious leader for a ceremony , it makes no sense at all to invite and Immam and a Rabbi , but not the arch-bishop of the Catholic church .
fundamentalist atheism !
No such thing - there is(are) no god(s) -
What has changed in the last few hundred years is that we can say there are no gods and ask the believers to explain how they can worship something that gives every appearance of not existing - and laugh a little.
Simple wisdom says that an intelligent person cannot be opposed to something that ( he thinks ) does not exist .
Etheism??
And do you really think, our sense organs or our machines can see everything? There are more than three dimensions. There is Quantum theory.
The Bible definition of faith tells us that 'faith is a substance;' a spiritual substance which resides in a believer's mind. Though faith is as invisible as thought, faith is infinitely more powerful than thought. Faith motivates thought, which in turn expresses itself in words or deeds (often called works).
The opposite of faith is doubt. Doubt is also a substance with enormous latent power. On the Day of Judgement a person's faith or doubt will act as evidence for or against him/her.
Deut:32: 20: And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Hab:2: 4: Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:
but the just shall live by his faith.
Today, you can witness a growing trend around the world of new believers from scientist and physicists to scholars and historians who have commonly been atheist. Most were like those here in Sweden who feel that god is a product of ignorance, due to lack of scientific knowledge. The bigger arrogance however is feeling that there isn't a power or life force in our universe greater than mankind. All the while living in a world created by God.
I completely agree, Kibitz. Well said.
But the point was that atheism is nothing but a cheap attempt to cop-out.
Refreshing to see someone who can think logically here (your #18).
Pay no mind to Constable Rick, the language cop. The irony is that he makes more grammatical and spelling gaffes than most of those who have English as a second or third language.
The fee the members of the Church of Sweden pay to the church finances about 80 percent of church activities.
The state church decisions in Sweden which came into effect in the year 2000 are often described as a separation of State and Church in Sweden. But there are still several links between the Swedish State and the Church of Sweden. The changes have led to closer relations between the State and the other churches and denominations.
The financial affairs of the Church of Sweden illustrate the long connection with the state. All members are liable to pay church dues, collected by the state with the taxes and, under the new system, handed over to the church to finance all its operations, which include the maintenance of all its historic buildings. For this latter item the church is to receive extra money from the state and has to obtain expert agreement to any restoration or alteration.
International Religious Freedom Report:
Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor:
The Constitution provides for freedom of religion, and the Government generally respects this right in practice. The Church of Sweden, formerly the state church, effectively became separated from the State in 2000; however, it still receives some state support from the State.
With the continuing decline in membership ( monthly dues) The Church of Sweden is left with ponder if whether its is a relevant institution in Swedish society.
other practitioners should look for better countries to practize their religion
please let us alone
eve when some enjoy denying it we are mostly christians
We have a range of sense organs which can be tested etc - we also get sensations wrong: people experience pain from amputated limbs, a heart attack presents as pain in the arms, there are optical illusions and some feel god in their hearts. Some people hear voices that nobody else and no machine can detect - nobody takes these voices and sensation seriously, unless the claim is that this is god and for no obvious reason the rest of the population is expected to take this seriously.
These communications with god never provide anyt useful or testable information - where is my lost watch.
If there actually is a god, this god should be detectable. You might wish to explain, or even ask your god, why it invests so much effort to not exist. A god does not have to be undetectable and avoid any kind of meaningful discussion. A real god might actually explain why why some suffer terribly and how they created the world. it would also be interesting to know if god really told Tony Blair that the Gulf war was Ok by him.
Most of the Swdes pay dues WHY they want to protect the buildings and their history...ONLY that.
Last but not least, to accept the religious is one thing..other, totally different is the church interferes on the power of state...It´s remind me South American Continent....For example...Brazil....the politician go to the church before to decide the fate of a people...
it´s horrible.
Many still retain a basic belief in the existence of a 'higher power', a moral center superior to earthly logic and pragmatism. This spirituality does not require one to reject logic or science. There are instances where reason alone does not provide an answer to life's challenges. It is at these moments that we can call upon our spiritual faith for guidance. It is to faith that we turn when all else fails.