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Silence won't solve the problems with a multicultural society

Published: 26 Sep 11 11:46 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/36360/20110926/

The problems of a multicultural Swedish society won’t solve themselves if our politicians, in fear of being called a "racist", don't break their silence on the issues, argues equal rights activist Bahareh Andersson.

How can a state-owned radio channel, Sveriges Radio, allow an imam resident in Sweden to express a death threat against a whole group of people who have converted from Islam to Christianity?

A while ago I read an article on the internet which was unintelligible to me. The article made me imagine life in a country in the middle ages with rules and values which in no way fits a modern and democratic society like Sweden.

The Christian Dagen daily reported the following:

“It is every Muslim’s responsibility to kill those who leave Islam. This is what could be heard recently on Sveriges Radio, when an imam from Rinkeby was allowed to present a text on how you should act towards Somalis who convert to Christianity.”

I thought, at least this is better than the silence on Waberi (editor's note: Moderate Party MP Abdirisak Waberi), but they don’t even write the name of the imam.

The silence of politicians and the media is deplorable and frightening! How can we interpret their silence?

The reticence in Sweden to discuss individual rights and their responsibilities is often hypocritical especially when it concerns people with immigrant backgrounds. All have rights, which is positive, although attached to those rights are responsibilities.

But it seems that no one wants to talk about that. Is this because of a reluctance to be called a racist? The word racist has become a fear factor to silence people or get them to move in the direction you want them to.

To me, racist means that you believe that all those of another ethnic origin than Swedish shall leave Sweden and that they have no right to be here. At the same time we know that fear of being called a racist often hinders us from reacting against groups or people who in the guise of culture, tradition or religion deprive others of their legal rights.

The consequence of this is the creation of an extreme cultural relativism.

We can not be silent when children are not allowed to participate in certain subjects in school, when young girls are married off or when boys are told by their families to keep watch over their sisters, for fear of being called a racist.

We can not be silent in fear of xenophobia when an imam in Sweden publicises death threats against a whole group of people. Today you are a racist as long as you don’t bend over backwards when meeting other cultures or religions.

This is something I really don’t understand!

These actions are wrong and can’t be accepted by Swedish society. To express fear that their children will become Swedish is to express a form of racism against Swedes.

I follow the integration debate in other countries and in France for example they are more courageous when it comes to making demands with regards to common and constructive values.

All is however not perfect in France but they at least have politicians (and I am not talking about the far-right) who are not afraid of expressing themselves freely and rationally without being called racists.

Naivety (or caution) which exists among our Swedish politicians is worrying and boosts extremists such as Abdirisak Waberi, who sits in the Riksdag defence committee (the man who wants to live in a country under sharia law as he said in an SVT documentary).

In France they have a saying - “To call a cat a cat”. One should call things by their real name and not try to make things up. To always be politically correct solves no problems.

I am thus not surprised but mostly disappointed by our hypocritical society when for example I am called an Islamaphobe, racist and masses of other made up smears just because I have the guts to write.

In conclusion I have to underline again that the integration debate and the problems with the multicultural society won’t solve themselves if our politicians don’t break their silence.

How can a state-owned radio channel, Sveriges Radio, allow an imam resident in Sweden to express a death threat against a whole group of people who have converted from Islam to Christianity?

How would society have reacted if a right-wing organisation had threatened a group of people who had broken their norms and values?

It is now time to break the trend and start to clean up.

The political establishment has neglected this over the course of several years. The consequences of this failure has been that, among other things, right-wing extremists have gained a foothold and been energised.

So, I agree with you Mauricio Rojas (editor's note: Liberal Party politician who has written a series of reports on integration and asylum issues). The evidence suggests that the immigrant debate is still far from "the bounds of open-heartedness" and even further away from sober and reasoned discourse. That's just too bad for Sweden!

Bahareh Andersson is an equal rights activist who works with honour society issues.

This article was originally published in Swedish on the Newsmill opinion website. English translation by The Local

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15:03 September 26, 2011 by Token-not-found
Great article , very well put , nice to see someone in the media with a brain and a spine !
15:48 September 26, 2011 by Grokh
i agree , (insert 10 more letters so that i can comment)
15:49 September 26, 2011 by fedotovskiy
uuuuWow! Great article on TheLocal?

Is it real? :)

Will share it everywhere!
16:46 September 26, 2011 by esvahnt
racist

its a magic word

allow you to make people what they dont want to do

is it extortion?

also allow you to advance in your career
17:35 September 26, 2011 by ctinej
THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS OUT

Recognizing an EARNED reputation is called racist. It should not be.

Yes, it is frustrating that every news article has the name, origin and race of the criminal hidden, because it is racist to recognize it. One must go to google and eventually find out that 85% of fhe time, the criminal is a recent immigrant.

How are you going to solve a problem, if you cant figure out where to start??
17:55 September 26, 2011 by motti
Good mornnig Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeden

It's wake up time
18:24 September 26, 2011 by Tysknaden
Typical. A woman has to name things. A couraged woman.
18:55 September 26, 2011 by bells on the knight
if you bring the bible to Saudi it can serve the ultimate punishment.

here we allow Imams to call for killing converters.

truly sick society we live in. this dude should be put behind bars for racism and uprising against a minority.

try to do the old german greeting and see what happens.

now if you publicly tell all muslims to kill converters what is this - i guess nothing
21:58 September 26, 2011 by awash
I couldn't agree with you more. I saw some people who has immigrant background with hidden agenda abusing poltical corectness of this country, especially when it comes to freedom of expression. I heard one Pastor preaching his followers on Öppna Kanal (gov't funded TV channel which transmits religious, cultural, polticial programs in various languages in Stockholm area) not to send their kids to public schools which teachs sex education and sexuality, evolutonary theories, humanity etc and he strongly recommended them to send their kids to private schools where they will be taught chrisitan values and morality. This channel was provided with good intention of allowing minorities of this country to transmit programs in their own respective languages but nobody knows/cares/follows up whethere all these programs being transmitted everyday are against the values of human rights, women's rights, children's right, LGBT's rights etc or not: because for a starter the programs are being produced and followed by immigrants and most Swedes either don't watch (wonder if they even know these channels exist) or watch but not to comment because they're scared to be called racist, Islamphobe, etc if they saw some transgression on those programs. This article is a wake-up call for the mangement of Öppna Kanal to sit down and discuss with the producers about their transmission as well as look in to every details of their transmission.
22:18 September 26, 2011 by nathan45
I agree with some ideas in the artical if you speak out against immigration your called a racist but there is nothing wrong with having this opinion it is your personal belief and to not allow people to express their opinions and take legal action against them is wrong.

An imam can promote killing on a radio but if a politician wants to speak out against immigration its "WRONG" and people call for them to resign all because of over political corectness and this stigma that its a bad thing to be anti immigration.
22:29 September 26, 2011 by rls976
Realize this, that this condition called "multiculturalism" is a transition phase. It is a phase in a process of racial replacement. The native population are being replaced by peoples of other races. You disagree? Then tell me: What percentage of Sweden's population were Swedish-speaking whites ("SSW") 100 years ago? What percentage were SSW 30 years ago? 20 years ago? 10 years ago? Now? At every one of those time points I cited, the SSW percentage was lower than at the most recent time point. 10 years from now it will be lower than it is today. 20 years from now SSW will be a lower percentage of the population than 10 years from now. Is there any point at which society and the government will say "Enough. The decline is to stop now"? What is coming eventually for Swedish-speaking whites in Sweden is minority status. And then? From a shrinking majority they will become a shrinking minority. 50%. 45%. 40%. 35%. 30%. 25%. 20%. 15%. 10%. 5%.
22:45 September 26, 2011 by Nora
"The problems of a multicultural Swedish society won't solve themselves if our politicians, in fear of being called a "racist", don't break their silence on the issues"

Well said Bahareh. Thumbs up!

Many thanks and hope that politicians would hear this for the sake of Sweden (in a broader perspective the whole Europe).
23:18 September 26, 2011 by STEF STEF
Great article, right words, I fully agree and that is for whole Europe, we are all on the same boat (i am form Italy so I can see the big waves and i am seasick!).

Keep on posting articles like this
04:00 September 27, 2011 by godnatt
Well said Ms. Andersson.

Welcome to Sweden where simply stating the obvious truth is a revolutionary act.

I'm sure the multiculturalist clowns of TL will be here to call you a "racist" soon enough.
05:35 September 27, 2011 by nathan45
Im so glad people are finally having this conversation its been too long coming but alot of damage has already been done to our nations. All in all this is a start and I see this artical and the comments here as a new begining for rational debate on immigration so the people get what they want rather than this government forced multiculturalism. I encourage every one who reads this to pass on its voice of reason. And to coments 11,12,13 and 14 right on guys.
05:45 September 27, 2011 by Marc the Texan
She's right. Hope to see more of her columns on The Local.
08:35 September 27, 2011 by The_Truthisbitter
It is interesting to see so many consenting voices over an article that invites them not to fear being labelled racist. I am happy that for once, someone is inviting Swedes to be bold and come out of their hypocritical selves and shout loud and clear to the whole wide world : "We are Swedes , We are racists, It is our attitude, We shouldn't hide it behind fake wry smiles .

Of course, politicians are racists, but they wont openly declare that on air because they count on the votes of the resident migrants to hang unto power.So unlike the writer of this article , the politicians have remained SILENT not because they want to, but because silence is their main life line. If they preach racism there shall be a backlash against them at the next polls.

What I find most interesting is that for a shy people who depend on alcohol to muster any courage to speak to their neighbor, I am actually reading writings of sober persons accusing sober politicians for not getting drinking, getting drunk and muster the courage to speak up against these issues..

Of course I also hope to see much hate speech here since the can of worms has been opened and been given free wings.In fact I agree with all aspects of this article which simply articulates how Swedes feel about migrants: that they bring every thing negative that happens in the Swedish Society.

I however differ on this one aspect : . " that parents express fear that their children will become Swedish is to express a form of racism against Swedes"

Every Culture has the good, the bad ,and the ugly.. Why wont parents express fear about their children being taught disobedience in schools? Why wont parents fear that their children who in normal circumstance never taste alcohol until 20 years suddenly become alcoholics before they even celebrate their 15th anniversary. Is is Racism to protect my children against the negative influences a new culture has on them?

Further in relation to the Imam, the article states:' "...but they don't even write the name of the imam. "

Come on, how many names of rapists and murderers have ever been mentioned in Swedish newspapers? the same law that protects or prohibits the mention of names of criminals protects and prohibits the mention of the Imam's name as well. You arent advocating for the policy of one weight two measures, are you?

Just a quick question to those who always say: If you dont like Sweden the way it is then Leave....

When Swedes complain, about the policies of their government, it means they dont like something about these policies...So where should they go to? Should they run away from Sweden and jump off the surface of the earth?

I think it is about time people start thinking in both directions here.

Thats just the bitter truth
09:05 September 27, 2011 by Tysknaden
Some people have a tendency to forget about the fact: Not only people are coming. It is a completely different world.

What is actually coming (back) is the Dark Ages. No democracy. No free speach. No gender equality. No justice. Discrimination of Jews. No freedom for gays and lesbians. No human rights.
09:57 September 27, 2011 by Tennin
Great article! Hopefully her article will be published in Swedish language newspapers so that the rest of the country can read it.
10:37 September 27, 2011 by fedotovskiy
So many positive comments for this wonderful article!

It's nice to see that not everyone are brainwashed in Sweden yet! :)
11:13 September 27, 2011 by Sheba
how is Sweden multicultural?it's still a racist society that doesn't allow people of colour to succeed....an example of multicultural societies are U.K,Canada,U.S where there are lots of enterpreneurs and success stories among all people regardless of colour or faith.
11:57 September 27, 2011 by JaneL
I think it will be to the benefit of Swedish society if restrictions are made to reduce the hate that follows free-speech on the Internet. However this same courage doesn't seem to cross-over into the real world where name's are called upon to represent these same strong opinions.

I agree with this article in the sense that I too feel it's time that Sweden were harsher and truer in addressing and expressing their true thoughts and feelings about other cultures and their effect on Swedish society. I think the political aspect of this subject is the reason it's gone so far in a way that doesn't sit well with many Swedes. If different cultures are allowed to immigrant to Sweden, it hardly seems far that society should adapt to accommodate their religious needs and respect their beliefs when that same respect isn't reciprocated. Would they build a Swedish Church for Swedish immigrants in their respective countries? Would Swedes be able to wear whatever they liked and still be respected because it is their right to dress according to their beliefs? I think not. I'm with the French.
12:06 September 27, 2011 by Fernandis
hmm...."equal rights activist Bahareh Andersson" will get now a lot of money in the form of funding from swedish state as well foundations :)

As janet said above, some restrictions in swedish society'll make sweden more peaceful and productive.
13:29 September 27, 2011 by Greysuede
i'd rather go to do some useful things for kids and disabled than writing boring and provocative things you do, Miss Behareveh!

1st: what's doing that imam over here?

2nd: i wonder how he's smuggled into this country, as an imam being a well-known fact to everybody?
14:02 September 27, 2011 by soultraveler3
Great article! This should be published in every newspaper (and on their websites) in Sweden. Hope we get to read more from her on TL.
15:56 September 27, 2011 by fedotovskiy
Sheba: #21

What are you doing in such unfair, racist country?
16:38 September 27, 2011 by andthenme
It's the best way to address and discuss about dangerous sides of Islam. This is not racism. We are not talking about color or genes, we are talking about violent beliefs. This is a fair and necessary discussion about a potentially dangerous ideology. It is even good for Muslims. They must rethink about what they were forced to believe since childhood.

Peace
22:19 September 27, 2011 by esvahnt
swedish people will not exist anymore as it has for the last thousands of years

it will change

it will be very similar to a middle east or southamerican country where a mass of aborigins is ruled by an small group of mestizos (half white half black)the last white people is about to be absorbed in a couple generations at the maximum by non whites
00:33 September 28, 2011 by Roy E
My what lovely mess has been manufactured. Death threats? How fun! It's like a baby Lebanon on the Baltic! It's interesting how Beruit was once known as 'Paris on the Med'. But that too, was a very different Paris they referred to. Indeed, what a lovely mess they've of it all! And rather than learn from mistakes, they repeat and exacerbate them, declaring themselves morally superior all the while. It's quite a tragic spectacle.
03:07 September 28, 2011 by Smiling Canuk
Coming from a country where multiculturalism has taken four hundred years to evolve naturally it always amazes me how Swedish poiticians suddenly declared their homogeneous country "multicultural" out of the blue about a thirty years ago and by throwing open their immigration suddenly expected everybody in Sweden to automatically comply.
03:27 September 28, 2011 by ctinej
Suggestions for the survival of Scandanivia as we know it:

A new and short immigration policy: "NO" Unless you your parents left a while back and you want to return to your homeland.

A new family planning policy: Mandatory sterilization if you have two or more. A ticket home if you dont get fixed.

The above policy is fully supported by Mother Nature..
04:52 September 28, 2011 by rolfkrohna
Why not study and learn from countries that already have a functional multicultural society, like China or Singapore. Here there is nothing like newcomers claim to be culturally or religiously violated by the local population, and demand that the locals adapt to them.

Those newcomers who do not demonstrate respect and adaptation to the society as it is are simply kicked out.

Sweden need to learn.

rolf.krohna at gmail.com
09:48 September 28, 2011 by lewni
Absolutely brillitnat article !
12:17 September 28, 2011 by cogito
Great article. Kudos to TheLocal for publishing it.

Instead of the tiresome lefty drivel from the state-owned propaganda organ Sveriges Radio, Sweden needs to hear more independent voices like that of Ms. Andersson.
15:59 September 28, 2011 by pacianphoto
Please Note:

The following details regrading this article:

Bahareh Andersson is an equal rights activist who works with honour society issues.

This article was originally published in Swedish on the Newsmill opinion website. English translation by The Local

The Local has a long long long way to go to be taken as a serious online news publication. The Local selectively publishes (translate) articles that only seemingly generates visits to increase it's traffic, They do not care about hard news. "Just the Fluff" thank you very much seems to be its motto.

It really isn't a online newspaper , it's a translation online news service.. period.
20:51 September 28, 2011 by play nice
25 million muslims immigrants in Europe - they are not wanted, they are not needed, they are not integrated and they live on welfare, yet they are still welcomed - go figure
21:03 September 28, 2011 by faizans80
These problems are inevitable when you invite people from conservative societies influenced by religion to place like Sweden.

I am staying in Sweden since few years, can someone explain me the homework done by Sweden when they started inviting people from outside the west??? What had been the actual motive behind immigrants????

On contrary, you can never get nationality of KSA or UAE etc..
21:22 September 28, 2011 by Uncle
The_Truthisbitter

Difficult to understand whatever you are writing, but I will try and "jump to conclusions".

"So where should they (swedes) go to? Should they run away from Sweden and jump off the surface of the earth?"

You see, "truth", every nation can take its own problems. It has alcoholics, pedophiles, thieves and murderers. Any society can handle it. If it brings more people, which have the same ratio of weirdos and freaks, it still CAN handle it.

The problem arises whenever it starts bringing societies that have a HIGHER percentage of weirdos and freaks. A muslim is 23 to 27 times more likely to be sentenced for prison time than a swedish christian or jew. A raped woman has 75% more chance to have an immigrant from 3rd world to be the one who raped her. Average work able refugees are likely to find a job 7 years after their arrival. Average refugee families have more chances of violence in family and other violence related crime.

If you would be actually as smart as you are trying to pose yourself, you would know that 10 human consuming sharks are creating panic among the swimmers, although 100 other sharks are not planning to attack humans. People who SEE the statistics, are cautious of refugees (mainly of the "religion of peace").

It is not racism. It is a natural defense mechanism, as it is not popular for a white 20 yo young white woman to walk on the streets of Jamaica Queens at 2 in the morning. Is she a racist? Would you like your daughter to be as open minded, as taking such risks?

What is more disturbing, is that swedes are REALLY trying to get rid of these prejudices, while the "little poor" refugees are most racist, prejudiced, homophobic, chauvinist and antisemitic society in Sweden. But IT IS OK in the "truthisbitter" little world. Eh?
01:35 September 29, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
"How can a state-owned radio channel, Sveriges Radio, allow an imam resident in Sweden to express a death threat against a whole group of people who have converted from Islam to Christianity?"

It's possible that he was allowed to expose himself and the programme broadcast, to give both the Imam and Islam a bad name.

It's easy for someone who has been saying " Death to infidels"since childhood, to get carried a way. He may have been well within his rights and feeling at home and could have got carried away preaching the Sharia with the usual home feel and zeal, forgetting that he was no longer in sunny Somalia.

I suppose that it would have been perfectly OK if he condemned them all to the fire in hell where they could burn forever. That would be more than enough punishment for deciding to follow Jesus.

What's called for is quite clear : According to Swedish Law, doesn't what the Imam said amount to "olaga hot?"

Of course this sort of statement would probably not be allowed to slip through in a pre-recorded programme but could slip through in a live and direct programme. To generate some criticism of the poor Imam & Islam and to get some people to shake their heads.

After such a programme the next reasonable step would be bring the criminal to book...legally....on counts of "hets mot folkgrupp" and "olaga hot" before he gets to committing some crimes against humanity.
08:39 September 29, 2011 by kashmiri81
To all Swedish .......

I would like to add one thing Sweden is not an Islamic country .... Most of the Islamic laws are implemented by Islamic governments not by individual Muslim.

If Imam said about the punishment it doesn't mean every Muslim has right to kill other converted person ..... here in Sweden or in Europe

Even if I am in Saudia i change my religion still no one has right to kill me the case will go in Shareyaa court .... then it will decide .

Most of the Islamic laws are implementable in Islamic societies not in west . And punishments are decided by court not by individual .

Thanks
09:11 September 29, 2011 by gh2008
@Uncle,

it seems you the one who don't like Sweden; moan and complain a lot.

by your sense, if you don't like it you are more than welcome to leave it. you can always go back to the wonderful state of Israel where other statistics show other figures that you choose not to consider as facts. thanks to selectivity, isn't it amazing.

and please stop complaining about our English. this is not school.
13:53 September 29, 2011 by Tysknaden
@gh2008: Now I understand the motives. Your generous offer to "uncle" is very instructive. You are here, because a mass immigraion of uneducated and uncivilized Christians turned your homeland into a pit. You exchanged your place with a Christian, who was carrying a hunchback of problems and hate and did refuse assimilation :-)
14:10 September 29, 2011 by wolverine2k
I would have like the article more if it directly said "Muslim Refugees" instead of using the homogeneous word immigrants. It is an insult to non-muslim immigrants who are here because they are needed for their special skills and who are contributing to the system.
16:13 September 29, 2011 by motti
@gh2008Yes Israel is a wonderful state, it is gratifying for others to know that you appreciate this fact. Further more, with all the challenges that little country has faced since ints independence and even before, it shows the excellence of the Jewish people who are able to overcome the biased and hateful challenges of others. When I visited Israel and saw the many wonderful things there, I can well understand just hwy Israel id jealously hated so much.

But please, explain if you will, with facts and not propaganda just what you mean by "where other statistics show other figures that Unlce chose not to consider as facts, thanks to selectivity?

If anything the international news media shows great selectivity in presenting news and comments in favour of the Moslem and Arab states through fear. Hamas have made the announcement regarding foreign jouralists in Gaza that they must have a Hamas appointed "guardian." Please explain this for the benefit of Local readers. Thank you
17:55 September 29, 2011 by bcterry
@gh2008Yes Israel is a wonderful state, it is gratifying for others to know that you appreciate this fact. Further more, with all the challenges that little country has faced since ints independence and even before, it shows the excellence of the Jewish people who are able to overcome the biased and hateful challenges of others. When I visited Israel and saw the many wonderful things there, I can well understand just hwy Israel id jealously hated so much."

Here are some repugnant facts of that jealously and hate.

Google

"Permanent Mission of Israel to the U.N. Israel and the Founding Values of the U.N."

Excerpt,

"The ongoing discriminatory treatment against Israel within the United Nations system as a whole is a reflection of the political dynamics of the world body. The work of UN bodies -- such as the General Assembly -- is often organized through regional groups (i.e. the African Group, the Asian Group, the Group of Latin American States, etc.) and other sub-divisions (the Organization of the Islamic Conference, the Arab Group, the Non-Aligned Movement, JUSCANZ, etc.). The most powerful blocs are those with the largest number of Member States and unfortunately, Israel's detractors use their numeric superiority to dictate and push through an anti-Israel agenda at the United Nations. While there is sometimes overlap between each group, between the Arab Group (22 countries), the Organization of the Islamic Conference (56 countries) and the Non-Aligned Movement (118 members) -- all of whom vote consistently against Israel irrespective of the facts on the ground -- Israel's condemnatory treatment in the halls of the United Nations is virtually assured.

Aside from the robotic institutional framework within the General Assembly against Israel, other UN bodies and organs obsessively target Israel, as well. The Geneva-based UN Human Rights Council is yet another glaring example. Designed to replace the now-defunct Commission on Human Rights -- a body that former Secretary-General Kofi Annan noted "cast doubt on the overall reputation of the United Nations" -- the Council targets Israel in a relentless fashion while rogue states and regimes that systematically abuse human rights are never mentioned. The Council's only country-specific agenda item focuses solely on Israel while its mandates and "fact finding" missions predetermine Israel's culpability. The Human Rights Council has, in fact, passed more resolutions against Israel than all other countries -- combined."

Read the link for more facts on this.
21:00 September 29, 2011 by Scansson
Bravo & Kudos to The Local !!!

I can't thank the person(s) enough in making the decision to post an article of this magnitude.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!

Yes, It's about time, the more Sweden addresses this issue, things will change and Scandinavia, as well as the rest of Europe, will be a more positive and safe place to live life with freedom of expression instead of a so called 'religion of peace', that is in all intents and purposes, a political movement of the dark ages, dictating to non-believers of... "or else" with ultimatums of terrorism.

The good people of Europe have been more than gracious at turning the other check, but now enough is enough.

We ALL must ask ourselves as registered voters and humans, How in the world did it even get this far?

Let's just learn from what has happened since the mass rushes of post 911 immigrants, and be more skeptical as to which party is elected to run our country, as the more our eyes are opened to the truth will be accepted.

Thanks Again Local, Keep up the good work : )
21:41 September 29, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri81

Gotta love it when Muslims try to defend the "peacefulness" of their religion.

So, since a guy has to go to Islamic court BEFORE you kill him for converting, we should all be cool with that?

And the fact that there are "courts" that decide whether to KILL someone for converting, that makes such things okay?

You guys are hysterical when you try to sound civilized.

You really do our work for us. Thanks.
22:23 September 29, 2011 by bcterry
21:41 September 29, 2011 by godnatt ,

"So, since a guy has to go to Islamic court BEFORE you kill him for converting, we should all be cool with that?

And the fact that there are "courts" that decide whether to KILL someone for converting, that makes such things okay?"

It absolutely boggles the mind what a lifetime of brainwashing will justify.
22:30 September 29, 2011 by Uncle
gh2008

You see, when arguments are over, it is extremely obvious. It is even more obvious when a caveman is trying to get into a conversation.

I love Sweden. I cherish it. I love the way Swedes are reserved (unlike some crybabies of muslim origin here). I love this culture. I love the humour. I love the little traditions that are stomped upon fiercely by the arriving 9th century barbarians. I like the freedom of women here. The freedom of choice. The way the government THINKS about people, starting from assistance with own business, through parental leave and even through the small wider spaces on narrow roads, so the cars could pass each other.

What I complain about is that Yeti like you are allowed to sit here, tell the swedes that they are a cold and racist nation, while beating your wife and the first jew you see on the street. The way you are trying to grab as much as possible, without giving a thing back. The way you press on swedes to accept your "culture" of threats, violence, loud screaming on the buses, "kompis" behaviour when negotiating something with a swede, while making zero effort to accept the swedish culture.

And yeah, it is not a school (which you obviously missed in your blessed by Allah land), but at least try to be clear when conveying your whining and threats.
23:57 September 29, 2011 by kashmiri81
@ Godnatt

Dear I am not trying to prove any thing or i am not defending anyone :)

I simply tried to tell you its not your problem what Muslim does ( bad , cruel or what ever )

Islamic laws are for Muslim states not for west ....... if Imam told about the punishment that is implementable in our Islamic states .... So you guys dont need to get scared from his views because Sweden is not a Muslim state or Sweden doesnt run any Islamic court ..........So calm down ...... ( sorry for my bad English )
07:33 September 30, 2011 by Uncle
kashmir

So if a Nazi who has thousands of followers talks on swedish radio and says that all minorities should be gazed or shot in the woods, it is OK, because the government here is not Nazi and nobody should worry about it?

Are you even awake when you are writing these comments?
10:32 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Uncle

Well I think I am unable to explain my point of View :)

No more comments from my side or better to say I am answer less

Chill guys :)
11:00 September 30, 2011 by JaneL
It is our problem. As soon as people hit these shores and as long as they stay, it is a problem for all of us. Your business is my business, and my business is your business. Our lives are integrated and although this may not be a conscious choice, a functioning society calls for it.

People have a right to believe what they want and do as they please regardless of who they are and where they come from. However this only works as long as the behaviour doesn't bring harm or negatively impact anybody else. It's such a simple concept but one that proves difficult the globe over. This respect for the individual is something Sweden does well but sometimes knowingly, I think people take advantage of these liberties.

It is and will always be a problem when people express and enforce extreme views on others. This is especially true with religion. Despite the number of Muslim immigrants here in Sweden, it is still a country where the majority of people belong to another belief system, if any at all.

And I wonder how it would work if someone from the west were to live in the east and were to start to living by their rules; their religion or their own moral codes? Then should the accepted social behaviours or existing laws of that country seize to apply to them?
11:58 September 30, 2011 by Tysknaden
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/religious-right-now/post/christian-pastor-yousef-nadarkhani-faces-potential-execution/2011/09/27/gIQA9ZZB2K_blog.html
13:03 September 30, 2011 by Just_Kidding
I am always in a difficult situation when a Somalian asks me if I am a Muslim in our SFI class.

Iranian Atheist
14:47 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81
@ janel

Well you are right but I would like to give you an example of Pakistan where 98% population is Muslim. Non Muslims have full Religious freedom.

Many churches , temples etc are there ... even many Indian sikh specially came in Pakistan to celebrate their religious ceremonies etc etc Same with christians .......

Even wine , alchohal is illegal for Muslim in Pakistan but for Non Muslims its still available ............

I think it will be a problem for Sweden or Swedish when .. Immigrants will try to impose their own religious views on you guys ..... I think as per individual my belief are good 4 me unless I try to impose my belief on others
15:26 September 30, 2011 by cen1
Comment: Firstly, Wow, what a really terrible piece of writing. Not because of it's topic, but because of its depth, scope, and the objectivity of it's content. Secondly, the subsequent comments are extremely depressing. They range from seemingly well-meaning but naive comments, to extremely ignorant and offensive comments, to just plain out ridiculous. I sincerely hope that they are not a proportional representation of the Swedish population (and from my experience they are not).

The level of the discussion here is FAR to rudimentary to warrant any comments of substance; it would take weeks/months. I just wish to make a few basic suggestions:

Firstly, as touched on by (only!) one other poster, it is essential, before firing out extreme and largely incredibly uninformed opinions, to be specific about what is being discussed. Till exempel: the terms "immigrant", "multicultural", "muslim", "refugee", seem to be used synonymously. I am an immigrant, I am not muslim, I am welcomed by Swedes (in as much as they can be welcoming to those used to more 'open/friendly' societies), and I contribute to Swedish society in many ways. I like Sweden. I am also white, though I come from a 'real' multicultural society (I was amazed at how un-multicultural Sweden is, and still am amused by the way it always describes itself as such).

When all this hostility towards immigrants is espoused (in the above comments), it is directed towards me; however, I expect many of the posts do not intend to apply to myself. This talk of "whites" or "white Swedes" is a little reminiscent of other undesirable historical mentalities I am aware of. The above article and comments, which just throw around rhetorical, emotionally-loaded buzzwords such as "immigrants" and "racist", are worthless, except to illustrate that Sweden has MUCH learning and development to do to even approach the social sophistication of most of the modern developed world. The comments that appear, ranting about how Sweden is a "civilized" or "highly developed" or "sophisticated" country come across as arrogant. Of coarse it is in many aspects, but also not in others. Have some humility.

The first things to address seem to be: 1) as this article suggests, more open discussion without extreme fear of political correctness (although the repeated use of the radio caller, with inherent implications that this individual typified their demographic, was crass and unproductive). 2) reduce the fear of foreigners that is reflected by many posters here. They are not going to dilute your native culture into extinction, and can actually have a lot to offer and enhance your society. One question I had: those who advocate for Sweden to allow no immigration, would you be happy to accept the reciprocal; Swedes not being allowed to enter any other country? I know many Swedes living abroad (some in my country) who would not.
15:57 September 30, 2011 by bcterry
10:32 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81

@Uncle

Well I think I am unable to explain my point of View :)

No more comments from my side or better to say I am answer less

Chill guys :)"

Here is a very simple question that will enable you to explain your point of view with a simple yes or no.

Do you believe that there is ever any justification for killing muslims who commit apostasy?

Yes or no.
16:01 September 30, 2011 by godnatt
@cen1

Speaking of terrible writing... your comment.

It's pretty obvious no one is talking about the immigration problem being an influx of educated, hard working Westerners who share Sweden's democratic values.

The concern is over allowing the flood of uneducated, religious cave men to continue inflicting their well documented assault on the safety. economy and future of Sweden.

Sweden does need SKILLED educated immigrants, not stone age religious extremists who find democracy, feminism, science and free speech "depraved".

Sorry you missed the obvious.
16:23 September 30, 2011 by cen1
Haha, nice polarization work godnatt. Clearly everyone must be one extreme stereotype or the other.

What about uneducated, religious Westerners?

Or educated hard working 'cave men' (cave men are non-western people?)

I work with a Turkish woman who is Muslim, but wears 'normal' clothes (and no head dress), and drinks alcohol.

Was amusing the other night when, after a drink, some Swedes were telling me how they didn't like immigration, while we were sitting eating the immigrants food (kebabs) in an immigrants establishment
16:26 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81
@bcterry

Well I am a Muslim if this will happen in my country or in any Other Muslim states ...My answer is YES .

But if these kinds of things are going to happen in west my answer is NO .

Reason

Muslim countries have their own tradition religion ..... if you don't like them leave them alone.Similarly west has its own tradition freedom blah blah .... if Muslims don't like and they have problem they must leave west.

Instead of complaining and blaming we should choose country where we can live and share our ideology. ( For those who always try to impose their ideologies on others )
17:24 September 30, 2011 by bcterry
16:26 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81

@bcterry

Well I am a Muslim if this will happen in my country or in any Other Muslim states ...My answer is YES ."

Sick, perverted, and violent.

Islam 101.

"Muslim countries have their own tradition religion ..... if you don't like them leave them alone.Similarly west has its own tradition freedom blah blah .... if Muslims don't like and they have problem they must leave west."

What a crock of bullxxxx.

Only a fool would have us believe that islam is not trying to impose it's "tradition religion"???, in every Western country they are infiltrating.

Saudi Arabia is a major financial contributor to the fascist infestation, and you know it.
17:35 September 30, 2011 by godnatt
@ cen1

You want polarizing?

Read the post below yours where our Muslim friend @kashmiri says he supports killing converters from Islam.

He is not unique. His opinion is shared by 82% of Egyptian Muslims, those "democracy" loving "moderates"

So your friend drinks... The 9/11 hijackers hung around strip clubs.

Not all people of Arab descent are religious Muslims but regardless, Islam is stone age extremism. It overtly teaches extreme hate and barbarism.

I'm certain there were polite "moderate" Nazis in Germany who would have preferred not engaging in genocide, but that doesn't make Nazism anything other than evil.

I'm sure your friend is nice. But there HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS just like @Kashmiri brainwashed to mold the world into their nasty, evil vision.

To voluntarily import them and look the other way from the institutionalized teaching of inhumanity in the name of "religion" is complete insanity.
17:51 September 30, 2011 by motti
Thank you bcterry and uncle, you obviously have hit the button, as poor 2008 appears unable to answer anything with facts.

Saudi Arabia contributes billions of $ oil money to it's embassies around the world to; encourage the conversion of local people to Islam, deligitimise the state of Israel, encourage/blackmail local countries to boycott and divest business with Israel and stop Jews from employment within many organisations.

The Islamic nations with many so called third world/neutral states/ ultra left and ultra right groups and nations control the UN. This is why virtually any country can be on the UN Human Rights council and other councils, but Israel is forbiddeen. So dear Swedes, isn't it wonderful that countries like lkibya, Iran, Syria, Yemen can dictate matters while Israel the only democracy in the Middle East, is forbidden? Now you you know why your taxpayers money is being wasted.,
18:56 September 30, 2011 by Uncle
godnatt

We are so similar in opinions, people would think we are the same person :)

cen1

There are still iranians and turks who are allowing their great CULTURE to fight the deforming and lobotomizing islam. Matter of time until they become social Uruk-hai (the big monsters raised from mud by orcs in Lord of the Rings), so do not mistake the still living and kicking victims of islam a "good example" of it.

Also, stop with the obvious trick of suggestions that those who oppose islam are "racist". It is ideology, exactly like nazism and communism and therefore racism card is void. Cavemen are brainwashed people who believe in and BRING TO LIFE 7th century morals of getting laid with children, beat and rape women, solve disagreements with violence, hang minorities (sexual or religious), force your opinion by force and create SUCH unlivable situation, that your population is running away in MILLIONS. Clear enough?

motti

be careful. It does not matter in which context you name Israel, some will try to hijack the argument in order to avoid the inconvenient discussion about multiculturalism.
19:28 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Godnatt

I really don't want to comment because what ever you wrote is just A GARBAGE OF YOUR ILL MIND .... and YOUR SUPERIORITY COMPLEX .... for you we are insane uncivilized and blah blah blah .... but for me you are even worst than all those thing which you think about us ...... Hate which you have inside your heart is exposing the inner animal whi is just ignoreable for me ....So chill man :)

@bcteryy

I already have told you we are not discussing its good or bad .... I just told you every states has its on law and tradition .... you can comment about Muslims tradition or religion ( good or bad ) but where it is needed ..... you don't need to tell me how Muslims are as I my self a Muslim .

And yes if you think Saudia is that much supporter of ......... stop importing Oil ... take your investment from middle east and disconnect all relations with Muslim countries .....

Then we will see who and how world is going to survive .....

You guys just need a chance to attack on Islam and Muslims ......... even the discussion is relevant or not
20:56 September 30, 2011 by JaneL
@ cen1

Everyone is entitled to comment to put forward their thoughts. Who are you to judge?
22:36 September 30, 2011 by Scansson
Just to set the record straight, I don't and will never practice "PC", that "BS" went out the window when they started i with their plots, you know... Stockholm, Vilks Lars etc...

But the real straw that broke the camels' back (no pun), is when they finally exposed their true motives as their IMAM spoke about killing non-muslims, converted or not, on a Swedish government funded radio station. Ha !

Now We ALL know who and what there really up to, Ha !

...freedom of speech is the law of the land here in Sverige, and for that matter, the rest of the civilized WESTERN World : )

Which brings up a comment (#66) made by kashmiri81, a self-proclaimed muslim (oh, goody).

"you can comment about Muslims tradition or religion ( good or bad ) but where it is needed ....."

OK, So now let me get this straight, He says we can comment about muslims... Bad or Good.... BUT WHERE IT IS NEEDED ?

Let me just say this about that...

I for one will decide to what extent of the comments that I make on muslims or islam, whether, you like it or not, Ha !

You also made a comment...

"take your investment from middle east and disconnect all relations with Muslim countries ....."

There is a real good possibility this can happen, as a recent article was posted today on the local...

"Swedish oil firm Lundin Petrolium has confirmed the discovery of a massive oil reserve in the Norwegian North Atlantic, that the firm says could contain up to 1.8 billion barrels of recoverable oil"

1.8 BILLION BARRELS?

So long Saudi Arabia. So what now? I guess they can still sell those magic carpets we all see for sale in IKEA : )

Otherwise, those dudes have no use, unless of course sand becomes an importable commodity, but I guess not, Ha !

Like I said before, Islam is not a real religion, it is a political movement with a not-so-hidden agenda for a violent hostile takeover of the free western world...
22:51 September 30, 2011 by godnatt
@kashmiri81

You support MURDERING innocent people for the "crime" of converting from Islam and my disgust is a "superiority complex"?

No, it's called having a soul.

The Nazis murdered in the name of racial purity. You support murder in the name of religious purity.

You are the same beast.

Do I hate you? Absolutely. Your beliefs are the personification of evil.

No one is going to "chill" in the face of evil. And more people are learning the truth every day.

I do however genuinely respect your willingness to state your true beliefs without deception. At least you are honest.
23:05 September 30, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Scanson|| * Like I said before, Islam is not a real religion, it is a political movement with a not-so-hidden agenda for a violent hostile takeover of the free western world... *

first of all for me you and your thoughts are just pitiable ...... chill man :)

People like you always go for more complications instead of Solutions :)

But this time I am not going to give you chance for more mess ..... wait 4 new article .... to express your poisonous thinking about Muslims and Islam ... till then bye bye :D

and yes u have freedom of speech you can use here about Islam and Muslims but be careful don't talk against Jews and hollow cast in this case you don't have freedom of speech ... warning for you hehehe :d this is your west .......
23:44 September 30, 2011 by Uncle
kashmiri

"and yes u have freedom of speech you can use here about Islam and Muslims but be careful don't talk against Jews and hollow cast in this case you don't have freedom of speech "

Oh, I totally agree with you there kashmiri. The west is awfully prejudiced.

Apparently, it is forbidden to make fun of and deny the most documented and witnessed crime in the world, while it is allowed to criticize muslims who declare their superiority to Jews, women, gays, converts and Christians... Ha ha... How unfair...

Now, tell me dear kashmiri. How, oh, how are you different from the nazis? I mean all billion of you. You burn books, you execute minorities on the streets, you call for elimination of Jews, you are supporting your geographical spread, you are supporting elimination of those who want to leave your ranks....

Your preachers advertise murder. Your missionaries create religious tension 100% of the places you arrive to. Your prisons are awful. Your torture statistics are beating the Gestapo. You are eliminating all opposition. Your casual country managing is a dictatorship. You export no cultural jewels. Your ideology is spreading like fire among the uneducated and poor people.

You actually LOVE your prophet the way most of Germans felt towards Hitler.

You tell stories about the freedom of christians in Pakistan. A short research shows that christians cannot be a president, prime minister or a judge in your wonderful country.

Attacks on Christians:

October 28, 2001 in Lahore (15 dead),

September 25, 2002 (7 dead).

November 2005, destroyed Roman Catholic, Salvation Army and United Presbyterian churches.

June 5, 2006, a Pakistani

Christian Nasir Ashraf was assaulted by Muslims for "Polluting the glass" of water when drank from it.

February 2006, churches and Christian schools were assaulted.

August 2006, a church and Christian homes were attacked.

2009 Gojra riots was a series of violent pogroms against Christian minorities by Muslims.

June 2009 rape and killing of a Christian man in Pakistan, for refusing to convert to Islam.

March 2011, Shahbaz Bhatti was killed by gunmen after he spoke out against Pakistan's blasphemy laws.

20 people, were wounded as 500 Muslim demonstrators attacked the Christian community in Gujranwala city on April 29, 2011.

Maulana Abdul Rauf Farooqi and other clerics of Jamiat-Ulema-e-Islam quoted "immoral Biblical stories" and demanded to ban the Bible.

WOULD YOU like to be a christian in pakistan? STOP FREAKING LYING!

HOW are you different from the nazis? SHOW me the difference.
23:45 September 30, 2011 by Tysknaden
@kashmiri81: You do accept murder for religious reasons. You are not qualified to feel insulted. Your are thinking like a barbarian. Yes: godnatt IS superior to you. He is civilized.
00:44 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Uncle

You are good in calculation ... go and count how much innocent NATO has killed in Iraq and Afghanistan .... Million of people live in Pakistan and you are comparing ¨majorities with minor cases ...... How Smart :)

@TysKnaden

Yes for you he may b civilized but for me not only godnatt but you are also DUMB :)
03:21 October 1, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri81

I'll take that as a compliment.

The day a violent extremist cave man like yourself thinks I'm smart...then I have a problem.
08:38 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@godnatt

And this is the problem you guys cant b happy in any situation ....... and always act if you are over smart or over intelligent .

But the fact is in the Mask of Civilized person you was , you are and you will remain just a DUMP same if Donkey wears Mask of Lion .... haha :)

This is what you want from us according to Quran with this VERSE I am going to finish you may go for further POISON AND ILLNESS OF YOUR DUMP mind who cares :)

They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion"
09:00 October 1, 2011 by Uncle
kashmiri

Oh, so now the make pretend "success and freedom" of christians in Pakistan is a minor case? There are not enough christians killed? I understand. What a luck that there is always Iraq and Afghanistan as an example, if a muslim is caught on additional lie.

Please tell me how many did NATO killed? Out of this please deduct all the explosions in markets, attacks with mortars on cities and massacres in mosques that beloved by pakistanis taliban are performing.

FYI, in the last 60 years muslims killed close to 2 million people only in the midlde east. Throw in Somalia, Darfur, South Sudan, war in Chad, Algier and the count closes to the Nazis indeed. So back to the question kashmiri. Except the lack in scientific breakthroughs, what is the difference between your ideology and the nazi one?
09:32 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Uncle

Have you ever visited Pakistan or have you met with christian community in Pakistan ..... NO... your calculations are UN baised.Go and see by your self you brain is washed by media ... alas.

15 million neto killed in Iraq and at the end your west BLAIR said .... oh sorry we got wrong information that Iraq has nuclear weapon it was our mistake to attack on iraq . They just played game of blood for OIL shame .

In Afghanistan every one knows about the bombing without differentiating in innocent and others.

Dont forget your past full of wars and about Norwegian extremist also .Pakistani Talibans are creation of so called usa and afghan war and world knows very well .*Pakistan is helping neto and in result we have suicide bombing and you guys still blaming us more then 30000 pakistani soldiers died for NETO war go and check statistics of Neto death.

And I did not try to impose my ideology on any1.... What ever I learn from Islam is #MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS#

This is what I tried to talk about here .Well may b I am UNABLE to understand your question but would love to say ......

You are winner :)

and b4 leaving

For you I am coating a verse of Quran :)

#They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion.#

Chill man !
10:15 October 1, 2011 by Uncle
NATO killed 15 million people in Iraq?

And I AM brainwashed? Why not 15 billion? Because there are some even in Pakistan who could count and see that it is more than earth population?

15 million? Nazis managed to kill about 20 million in USSR with carpet bombing, extermination camps, imposed starvation on huge regions, artillery shelling on cities, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, naval blockade on millions....

But here comes NATO with precision bombing and CIA infiltrations and manages to kill 15 million without camps, without razing cities to the ground, without battles of years in densely populated areas...

We agree on one thing. I indeed win. Muslim lies are sometimes too obvious.
10:29 October 1, 2011 by Hawkman
There is a fine line between rascism and realism- the TRUTH!. Legal restraints and political correctness do nothing but create a world of ignorance to the reality that some people have different beliefs and different agendas-like oil and water, some people should not be forced to mix, because they never will! Barbarians and savages will not acclimate to, or even be accepted, because they not only lack the capacity to appreciate their opportunities, but expect indefinite accomodation be made in their behalf. Sorry, look at the USA, one race, who is a major minority, has the highest educational dropout rate, highest incarceration rate, highest birth rate. 200+ years and some people just don't get it. Stay in School!!! At least they don't have psychotic visions of grandeur, because paradise is on a beach, and when the sun goes down there is only Heaven or Hell, Just ask Jesus Christ, who died for your sins, no one else did or could! Get the message. Jag alskar Sverige.
10:37 October 1, 2011 by Tysknaden
Source Iraqi casualties March 2003 to ...

Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006

Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006

Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths from the conflict. August 2007

Iraqi Health Ministry 87,215 violent deaths per death certificates issued.

Deaths prior to January 2005 unrecorded.

Ministry estimates up to 20% more deaths are undocumented. January 2005 to

February 2009

Associated Press 133,280 violent deaths.

Health Ministry death certificates plus AP estimate of casualties for 2003-2005. April 2009

Iraq Body Count 113,494 - 122,483 violent civilian deaths.

Reported in English-language media only.

(including new deaths added from the Iraq War Logs)
11:31 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Tysknade and @Uncle

Its a fruitless debate now ....... May be not for you but atleast for me :)

Chill and enjoy your weekend.

and yes once again you guys are winner go and celebrate it .
11:45 October 1, 2011 by Tysknaden
@kashmiri81: You will burn this new nick even faster, than you did with the old one.
12:52 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Tysknaden

I think ur also a day dreamer :)

This is my first and last nick .... once again you lied ... I think lie is your fav hobby :)

and I really don't care for your comments because I have more than enough good Swedish pure Swedish friends around me.

you need psychiatrist so may be you get relief from your MIND ILLNESS :)

Make your mind broad other wise you will burn in the fire of your OWN HATE :)
13:40 October 1, 2011 by Tysknaden
@kashmiriboy: :-D
13:59 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Tysknaden : :)

(: Happy Ending :)
14:00 October 1, 2011 by bcterry
00:44 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81

@Uncle

You are good in calculation ... go and count how much innocent NATO has killed in Iraq and Afghanistan .... Million of people live in Pakistan and you are comparing ¨majorities with minor cases ...... How Smart :)"

How do you explain this calculation, and who other than muslims are to blame?

"Staggering Statistics on Muslims Killing Muslims"

Posted on October 9, 2007 by wasteofmyoxygen

"ACT has posted a set of statistics that demonstrates the real violence against Muslims, it is not Jews, Christians or even America that is leading the pack in Muslim Genocide, but rather other Muslims. These numbers (almost 10 million killed by other Muslims) defy rationality and surely anyone with half a brain can see where the real problem lies. Islam may or may not be a peaceful religion, but the people who dominate the religion and are the face that the world sees as representation of the religion, surely are far from peaceful.

some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims."
14:29 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@bcteryy

I wish if some day western media dare to release the real statistics .......

anyways .... okay I would also love to add you in the list of Winners cheers and celebrate :)
14:34 October 1, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri

Sad that you've been brainwashed by an evil ideology and wasted the gift of human intelligence on madness.

Regardless, you are one of the villains now, worthy of suspicion and disdain from everyone you meet here.

Why not return to your beloved Muslim world where you can hate and murder as freely as you'd like? Why come and beg for our table scraps like a dog?
15:18 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@godnatt

look before your leap

I am really sorry to say but you are continuously Barking like a .... ( Same word which you used for me ) ....... and I wonder why don't you feel shame .

Keep your suggestions with you I did not come here on your suggestion I wonder why don't you just mind your own business .

Because of few EVIL MINDED people I afraid minorities of Immigrants are in danger zone in Sweden and you are just trying to destroy the image of Sweden.

Should I live here or Should I go .... non of your business ....... I am paying fee and studying .... who the hell are you ........keep your suggestions with you because your suggestions are nothing for me but piece of a garbage just like you.
15:35 October 1, 2011 by bcterry
14:29 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81

@bcteryy

anyways .... okay I would also love to add you in the list of Winners cheers and celebrate :) "

@cashmirr,

"I wish if some day western media dare to release the real statistics ......."

Why don't you give them to us?

Give us the real statistics on who has done most of the killing in Iraq, and Afghanistan well your at it.

"anyways .... okay I would also love to add you in the list of Winners cheers and celebrate :) "

The reason you are turning this into a game?, ...... that is the easy way out of responding to the truth.

No winners, but plenty of losers, particularly those who are put to death for simply leaving islam, which you condone and find perfectly reasonable.
16:14 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@bcteryy

Okay if u dont like the word Winner I would love to add u in Loosers list.

Happy now.... no you will never

Because your mind is washed ....... even if we are more than enough good you will call us Evil or blah blah.

So stop it now and from few comments its clear you are not going to accept immigrants specially Muslim immigrants .

And its strange for me why migration board is issuing visa while Swedish hate Muslims more than anything.

The End.
16:50 October 1, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri81

"And its strange for me why migration board is issuing visa while Swedish hate Muslims more than anything."

Correct. Perhaps a one way plane ticket home is in order then?

But of course you're here to study because the Muslim world is a backwards, cess pool of superstitious, ignorant madmen who can't produce ANYTHING besides nail bombs, wife beaters and oil.

That's why you have to come crawling to us. Feel free to crawl back home.
17:12 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@ godnatt

Have you ever been to Dubai sharja etc no I think you cant afford so google you will come to know who is backward :)

I am laughing at your helplessness ..... chu chu how helpless you are to kickout us from here ....

So a good idea you should bark here regular may b you get some peace :)
17:26 October 1, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri81

And yet you still crawled here to the West where people find you disgusting.

Funny.
17:49 October 1, 2011 by bcterry
16:14 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81

@cashmirr,

"Okay if u dont like the word Winner I would love to add u in Loosers list."

You can call me anything you like, it doesn't matter, as all i have presented to you are documented verifiable facts that you fail to address specifically.

I actually don't blame you, as i'm sure they are embarrassing to admit.

"Happy now.... no you will never

Because your mind is washed ....... even if we are more than enough good you will call us Evil or blah blah."

The mind is filled with honest facts, and i have not called you, or any other muslim any name whatsoever.

My criticism is, and always has been, directed at your fascist, bigoted, intolerant, violent ideology, and how it is attempting to force itself on the west in an attempt to fulfill your self appointed prophet's quest for world domination.

Since you threw out a quote, here's one for you.

"Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down - hence abrogating what came before, which includes the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"Let there be no compulsion in religion...".
17:49 October 1, 2011 by kashmiri81
@godnatt

not people but a single Insane man that is you

and I already have told you I really don't care about u and your comments. Sweden is full of well mannered Swedes ... you are just one ill mannered rotten egg here.

Strange.
14:45 October 2, 2011 by awash
@kashmiri81

u r a disgrace not only to immigrants but also for the rest of human-being. ppl like u are the excuses for Brevik & others to kill innocent people. BTW, how many men/women/girls have u stoned to death, flogged, burned, buried alive, mutilated etc just because they were alleged 'thieves'', infidels, converts, had an extra marriage affair, ''dated'' somebody who's not good enough or for being gay/lesbian? why're you here in the west, let me guess it's just more than ''studying'' something. U remind me other sick, twisted mind guys that I encountered over the years. Here's one: he's from Somalia & I met at work. I decided to help him while he was struggling to do the job since it was his first day. After a while he asked me if I'm moslem & told him no then he asked where I'm from & I told him, am from Ethiopia. I could see his face changed immediately. He said he's a member of Al-shibab & boasted about his killing spree back home and he would anything to wage jihad. He even bragged about his decent moslem attire: long beard & moustache, short pants over the ankle. I told him to seek psychiatric help & leave me alone.

The other one was an Afghani man whom I met at hostel. One morning he stopped me &started yelling ''my wife'', ''my wife'' pointing @ my topless chest but wraped up with towels down there when I came out from our shared shower. I didn't understand what he was talking since he doesn't speak English & then he said ''I'm moslem'' ''I'm moslem'' I told I'm not moslem. It took me a while to understand all his fuss: he was scared that his wife might see another guy's topless body which is ''haram''/forbidden. what's even more funny is that this same guy & his decent moslem buddies gather at tv room at mid-night to watch playboy movies locking up their wives. They were always at the forefronts to bully, attack even shut down the tv if anybody dares to change the channel to watch football or other shows.

The irony is that people like these claim they they were threatened by Al-shibab/taliban/al-qaida & they get automatic protection from hosting countries while other genuine hard-working, adaptable, educated, open-minded asylum seekers are being kicked out because they didn't lie properly. And yet those who get the permission to stay on the grounds of the threats of Islamic exterimism, start to show their true color & play ''Islamophobic'', ''racist'' cards to whomever is against their hidden agenda. There're die-hard jihadists who would do anything to accomplish their goals & I don't understand why there's no tough law which forbids & punish those sick people from downloading, sharing and uploading violent clips that are produced by Islamic extremist from all over the world? That kind of law worked against pedophiles who were engaged in sharing their perverted minds. I wish there're many courageous activits like Ayann Hisri Ali from Somalia here.
14:45 October 2, 2011 by Scansson
@ kashmiri81

Quote "Sweden is full of ..."

Those "well mannered Swedes" that you're referring to are the ones that will let immigrants like you walk all over them, and take away the Scandinavian culture while distracting them with 'good intentions', more cell groups will slowly infiltrate Europe and quietly force their political religion of peace with threats of rape, honor killing and ... wait for it... wait for it....... terrorism.

BTW - Just wondering how you like receiving the Swedish Social Welfare Benefits that you had crossed over many other EU countries that offer (False) Asylum seekers?

Also, if all the Scandinavians convert to islam, do we get a discount on virgins and oil : )
15:54 October 2, 2011 by kashmiri81
@ awash

I really don't have time to read your STORY and reply :)

@ Scansson

you are totally misunderstood me and after reading your comment I'm just feeling like to cry on your observation and thoughts. Now I am really fed up too :)

Conclusion : I am answer less or I am escaping or trying to be good or what ever you want to think but now finally I am going to STOP it here :).
16:15 October 2, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri81

The only well mannered Swedes are the ones who DON'T KNOW what you believe and DON't UNDERSTAND the true teachings of Islam like you do.

But, they are learning...

Any Swede who did know would view you with disgust, hate and as the violent worthless lowlife that you are...just like EVERYONE here does.

WHY stay where people will truly hate you for the rest of your life for your support of religious extremism and violence?

You don't need to be a "renegade". Just go home.

But of course there's nothing there worth going to because it's hell because of people like you. So you come beg from us.
16:37 October 2, 2011 by kashmiri81
@godnatt

What I believe is if I am living in Sweden, I should respect the concept of free society in Sweden ........

What I believe , I don't have right to impose my Islamic views on Swedish people or Swedish Society ......

What I believe if I have problem with Swedish customs and traditions I should leave this country .....

This is the teaching of my religion when I am suppose to live in non Muslim state. And my well mannered Swedish friends have no problem with my believes as far as I'm going to stay here.

So if you have problem with my believes you should go for psychiatrist .
18:09 October 2, 2011 by Chickybee
Islamists are the first to demand their rights for freedom of religion and yet they will openly abuse those human rights to threaten Muslims who chose to leave Islam.

I said Islamists because many Muslims thank God do not want to live in a Sharia-based society which will eliminate all non-Muslim and human-based rights.

Wake up and tackle the problem of Islamists - it's Swedish law for everyone no exceptions - refugees have come to Sweden for the country it was based on Swedish law and human rights.

Multiculturalism is a failure - what we now have is multu-ethnic groups living in defined areas and adhering to the own cultures and often languages.
19:37 October 2, 2011 by Just_Kidding
@Kashmiri81: #61 Since in Islamic countries and societies it is perfectly fine to kill a person if he converts from Islam to atheism or another religion; I would propose to western societies to kill any body who converts to Islam. They can call it a western tradition so it won't be immoral or wrong.

Iranian Atheist
20:15 October 2, 2011 by ctinej
Swedish people have such a good reputation around the world, that I recently read of a crook and scammer who changed his name from what was obviously Russian and or Jewish, to Karl Johansson. This enabled him to draw in people based on the " positive" prejudice that the Swedes have earned in the world. The article was about his latest bit of crooked behavior.
20:19 October 2, 2011 by Dave N
Kashmiri - I am very concerned about you. You are risking hellfire. You say that you have "well mannered Swedish friends" when the Holy Koran repeatedly states that you should not have non-Muslim friends at all - and that if you do, then you will burn in hell like them.

How dare you call yourself a Muslim when you are blatantly defying the instructions of Allah? If you don't behave, I will have to send some djinns round to your house to put you back on track.
20:51 October 2, 2011 by bcterry
:

@ kashmiri8,

I know you will never be able to understand this because of your childhood indoctrination, and a lifetime of submission.

You, and most muslims, have never been free to think objectively about simple decent compassion, equality for all, non-violence, humanity, love, and true spirituality, which can only come from within, not a manmade book, and not what has been drilled into you since birth by others, and because of that, I consider you, and the majority of other muslims, as being the TRUE victims of islam, simply because you have no options, you're locked in a corner with no way, and you dare not question without the threat of consequences.

Ask yourself this very simple question, why is it that my religion is so insecure, that it has to threaten me and others with DEATH, if we simply dare to question or leave to pursue another path?

Other than," it says so in a book", what other rational can you give us for killing those who wish a different path?

If you cannot address this openly and directly, i would rather no answer at all.

You are FREE to choose, one way or the other.
21:10 October 2, 2011 by skatty
I think many of Swedish politicians are afraid of being called racist, because a remarkable number are actually deep inside a racist!

However, to understand the definition of racism is relative to the public understanding of racism. As an example, if an immigrant has much, much lower chance to get a good job compared with a Swede, who has the same degree of education; then the question should be, why? You can blame the world economy as the main problem or consider racism and discrimination as a problem (even though statistics show immigrant gets the problem of unemployment more than Swedes no matter what economy exist in Sweden). That is over politicians to play the game, and Swedish politicians find it easier to blame the world.

There is not equal rights, never have been; except an imagination of equality! It is why there are wars, revolutions, fights, killings and bloods in the streets, here and there. The words of an imam from Rinkeby are the reflection of the misery in Rinkeby. The actual misery in Rinkeby is the consequence of economy and political system in Sweden, the imam is just an alibi to misguide the attention of the miserable public to the religious conflicts.
21:50 October 2, 2011 by bcterry
However, to understand the definition of racism is relative to the public understanding of racism. As an example, if an immigrant has much, much lower chance to get a good job compared with a Swede, who has the same degree of education; then the question should be, why? You can blame the world economy as the main problem or consider racism and discrimination as a problem (even though statistics show immigrant gets the problem of unemployment more than Swedes no matter what economy exist in Sweden). That is over politicians to play the game, and Swedish politicians find it easier to blame the world."

Wrong.

Racism has nothing to do with a political (religious???), ideology, that has followers from nearly every race, PERIOD!

Racism

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race

1. a belief that human races have distinctive characteristics that determine their respective cultures,

usually involving the idea that one's race is superior and has the right to control others.

Now, let's pay close attention to this one,

"2. a belief in a policy of enforcing the asserted right of control. — racist, n., adj."

"Right of control"

THAT, fits islam perfectly.

If in fact we consider what you are throwing out as racism, then muslims are the REAL racists here, NOT those who have allowed them to immigrate, and have given them total freedom to EQUALLY, practice their faith alongside others.

Name me ONE islamic country that offers that equality to others.
21:57 October 2, 2011 by cen1
@bcterry #106

Im not going to engage in the slander throwing here. But I was just curious if, regarding the 1st half of your last post (indoctrination, thinking objectively and critically, not following some man-made book etc), you think the same of christians and most other religions?

As an atheist and a humanist, I do.
22:47 October 2, 2011 by bcterry
21:57 October 2, 2011 by cen1,

@bcterry #106 Im not going to engage in the slander throwing here. But I was just curious if, regarding the 1st half of your last post (indoctrination, thinking objectively and critically, not following some man-made book etc), you think the same of christians and most other religions?"

Yes.

"As an atheist and a humanist, I do."

I'm an agnostic with atheist beliefs, and although i do not adhere to any group, also a humanist and secularist.

Islam is more of a fascist political entity, over 50 islamic states, then a religion.

I find no justification for equivalence with other religions.

I grew up in a small town christian community, and never once have i heard for a call to violence as a solution to anything, or see any forms of violence in the name of christianity.

And other than the odd extremist threatening eternity in hell for non believers, the only thing that christians every threatened me with was the love of jesus.

Whenever they "god bless" me, i always take it with the intended spirit, and thank them.

Although i consider myself an atheist, i am also very spiritual in my personal beliefs.
00:12 October 3, 2011 by godnatt
@ cen1

All religions are silly but there are big differences in the nature of their teachings.

Both Christianity and Islam teach to emulate the life of their respective "prophets".

Jesus never killed anyone or demanded anyone to, he was a pacifist.

Muhammed was an imperialistic war mongering, slave raping murderer who explicitly encouraged violence and engaged in atrocities of all sorts himself.

Islam is overtly political and MUST control every facet of life up to having it's own legal code Sharia. Political and religious life can NEVER be separate. Western democracy is an abomination to Islam.

One is silly. The other is silly and extremely dangerous as evidenced by simply opening a newspapers and watching what "peace lovers" like @kashmiri reap in every corner of the globe every day.
00:49 October 3, 2011 by Uncle
skatty

"The words of an imam from Rinkeby are the reflection of the misery in Rinkeby"

Oh, yeah, the horrors of Rinkeby! Who did not hear about the awful dictatorship of Rinkeby and the torture of those who serve islam! Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan are HEAVEN compared to the horrifying Rinkeby...

Of course the poor little preacher has no choice, but to try and avenge the horrible Rinkeby atrocities by calling to kill CONVERTS! Because before he arrived to Rinkeby totalitarian regime, he was a pacifist, who embraces converts, gays, believes in the freedom of women, adores Jews and makes free love to christians.

The Rinkeby media obviously are trying to hide the imposed requirements on the muslim slaves of Rinkeby and therefore it forced the poor preacher to say whatever he said.

What a luck that we have skatty to show us the clear facts of life and point at the oh, so wisely hidden Rinkeby oppression of peace loving muslims. At least now, our attention is not diverted from the Rinkeby regime!
06:37 October 3, 2011 by skatty
@bcterry

Actually racism has to do with some political ideologies; the most famous one is the national socialist of Hitler, an ideology that believes a particular race is superior. They started with putting away the Jews from top positions, and make them not employable in their level of education. The belief that race accounts for differences in human is strong in Sweden (by the way, Swedish national socialist has survived in Sweden much longer than any other NS parties anywhere else after the end of the WWII).

In Sweden discrimination and prejudices base on race, take as an example the chance of a white western European man is much higher than a black African with the equal education to find job.

The real or unreal racist is the product of your relative understanding of racism. By considering your own definition, it's clear what racism is, but the actual fact that there is racism would be experience by they who would be affected by racism and discrimination in a system. Muslims don't have a political and economical system in Sweden, Swedes have. Muslims live in the system, which is build by Swedes.

Name me one non-Islamic country that offers equality!
08:01 October 3, 2011 by astrogenic
@ skatty

Name one Islamic country that offers equality among all religions - promote even, for example, Hindus or Buddhists to stand for the position of President or Prime Minister of such a country.

Also, majority of Muslims believe that Islam is "universally" superior to all other religion, so Islamic country cannot treat all religions equally.
09:13 October 3, 2011 by awash
@ kashmiri8

oh the loss mine:)))) well, i know u don't read english so i wasn't surprised lolol. let me guess, u might be busy with ur extracurricular project...:)))
10:29 October 3, 2011 by kashmiri81
@awash

You are absolutely right .... I invested 50000 thousand kroner for three months in Sweden I am really busy to get some thing out from my investment ... so I really don't have time to read your LONG stories ..... chill now :)

@godnatt

People like you just Google find material and print here :)

Read Quran ahadith ... explanation and context of verses then talk to me.

You have half knowledge and have knowledge is not only bad for you but you also washing brain of others.

and now I know your reply must be with full of HATE so I request you I already have understood your HATE .... so isn't good if you stop repeating your self .... because its fruitless :)
13:12 October 3, 2011 by awash
50K, wow that's a lot dude to invest an infidel country where many converts are living freely but threatened by your beloved imam to beheaded:-)))

''I invested 50000 thousand kroner for three months in Sweden I am really busy to get some thing out from my in'' hmm let me guess some remote controlled toy???:-)

r u jocking?u r the last person to bully others for being hateful...u said by ur admission that u support the killings of converts in Islamic countries? what an incredible LOVE:-)))) how many converts did u stoned, buried alive & flogged before u came to the world of khafirs/infeidels?
13:28 October 3, 2011 by kashmiri81
@awash

Why don't u Google and find answer how many people are stoned in Islamic states ....... :)

What we are doing in our Islamic states is non of your business :)

If you dont like Islamic states or their laws just leave them alone :)

I am living in Sweden .... I respect the traditions and concept of free society here.As far as I get problem to stay here I will leave this country ...... Instead of imposing my views on Swedish or Sweden . ...... ( So y u guys have problem )

and please b4 writing new comment first take deep breath and relax .. and also try to avoid over smartness :)

we are discussing serious stuff and you guys forcing me to laugh when I read your comments :)
13:52 October 3, 2011 by bcterry
06:37 October 3, 2011 by skatty ,

"Name me one non-Islamic country that offers equality! "

Let's clear up some unfinished business before we move on.

So once again,

If in fact we consider what you are throwing out as racism, then muslims are the REAL racists here, NOT those who have allowed them to immigrate, and have given them total freedom to EQUALLY, practice their faith alongside others.

Name me ONE islamic country that offers that equality to others.
13:57 October 3, 2011 by godnatt
@ kashmiri81

Haha. You're hysterical.

You say converters from Islam should be murdered in cold blood with one breath and then, "Don't misinterpret my peaceful religion" with another.

Typical Islamic insanity.

Just because your so called "religion" has rendered you incapable of logic, doesn't mean we in the West is as mentally crippled as you.

Kashmiri: "I think we should kill innocent people who decide not to be Muslims anymore, but chill guys... don't worry about it, Islam is peaceful."

Hahahaha. Your "arguments" are like an unintentional comedy act...
14:04 October 3, 2011 by awash
i couldn't help myself but laughing out loud when i read ur last sentence hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa ''we are discussing serious stuff'' who're the ''we'' & what're the ''serious sfuffs'' u mean the killing of ''converts'' what a joke...

i don't think it's a good idea to google about the killings of converts in Islamic countries...u know google is owned by infiedels and it may be biased lolololol

science says it's always good to have your information from first source which in case is you...one of ur likes from Somalia told me that he killed thousands of infidels before he moved out to infidel Sweden. so why don't u enlighten us by telling how many converts did u stoned, buried alive & flogged before u came to the world of khafirs/infidels. that gives us a better understanding of the logic of LOVE/CARE in a new way lololololol.
14:26 October 3, 2011 by glamelixir
An article with good intentions, mediocre statements, and terrible grammar mistakes.

Improving, but still a long way to go. There are many more things to be evaluated under this topic. Still, immigrations is treated as a big block.
14:30 October 3, 2011 by kashmiri81
@godnatt

are you crazy :) how many times I have told you what Muslims are doing in their own Muslim states is non of your business and how many time I have told you Muslims have no right to impose their ideologies , religion or vat every you call it on west . godnatt if you are sensible then reply in the context of my this comment and once again don't tell me what Muslim have to do or not in their home states .

@awash

For me now you are an attention seeker joker lol :) and I wonder why don't you understand I am trying to avoid you :)

My objective to put comment here was just to tell all ............. Being a immigrant being a student or being a worker If we choose to live in other society we should Respect the traditions and culture of that society if we cant we should leave that country .

And you guys changing the direction .......

and awash once again I have told you if you are interested to know whats going in Muslim states go and visit . i don't remember if in my country from last 20 years if I heard a single case of stoning or killing some converted if you heard tell me so it will be an extra information and I will tell to some other jokers like you who wants to know the figure of stoned and killed converted .
15:00 October 3, 2011 by awash
i know u r avoiding me, 'cos truth hurts:)))

so why there were no reports of killings, stonings of converts over the last 20yrs in Islamic countries? is it because ppl stop converting in ur country scared of being killed or are they too many to kill :))))))))

i told u i don't trust google it's biased & owned by infidels lolol why don't tell me how many converts u killed so that i rest my case for you to discuss ''serious stuff''. hahahha

all religions especially exterimists like u should be put in the museum so the world be better place to live

adios
15:06 October 3, 2011 by kashmiri81
@awash

Thanks for your final words :) I really appreciate

not you but my

Tolerance .... chill man :)

And my final words World would be best place if we stop interference in other societies and cultures. If we give respect to all states weather we like or dislike the Laws.
15:10 October 3, 2011 by godnatt
@kashmiri

At least we agree on something.

Islam DOES explicitly demand political violence against innocent people for the various crimes of non-conformity.

We agree. You are correct in your assertions. I'm NOT disagreeing with you.

I'm not trying to convince a brainwashed souless animal like you that you're evil.

My point IS for the multiculturalist twits on here to show them what a violent, hateful ideology Islam truly is and what people like you REALLY believe.

I'm not arguing WITH you. I'm USING you as an example for others.

Like a lab rat.
15:17 October 3, 2011 by kashmiri81
@godnatt

okay then keep it up ...... :)

And I am going to listen a song .......... Who let this dog out :)

chill man :)
16:16 October 3, 2011 by bcterry
06:37 October 3, 2011 by skatty ,

I know you won't answer my question, so i will go ahead and answer yours anyway.

"Name me one non-Islamic country that offers equality! "

ALL of the Western countries.

Here is an example from just one of them, i chose it because muslims hate it, and everything it stands for i.e. freedom, liberty, complete equality for all, that includes women (GASP) by the way, etc. etc.

You will find the same in all the others.

"A total of 123 African Americans have served in the United States Congress, most in the United States House of Representatives. This includes five non-voting members of the House of Representatives, who represented the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands. An additional House candidate was elected in 1868 but was not seated due to an election dispute."

Ethnic Diversity in the Senate

African Americans:

Hiram R. Revels (R-Mississippi), 1870-71

Blanche K. Bruce (R-Mississippi), 1875-1881

Edward W. Brooke (R-Massachusetts), 1967-1979

Carol Moseley-Braun (D-Illinois), 1993-1999

Barack Obama (D-Illinois), 2005-2008

Roland Burris (D-Illinois), 2009-2010

Asian Americans:

Hiram L. Fong (R-Hawaii), 1959-1977

Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii), 1963-

Samuel I. Hayakawa (R-California), 1977-1983

Spark M. Matsunaga (D-Hawaii), 1977-1990

Daniel K. Akaka (D-Hawaii), 1990-

Hispanic Americans:

Octaviano Larrazolo (R-New Mexico), 1928-29

Dennis Chavez (D-New Mexico), 1935-1962

Joseph M. Montoya (D-New Mexico), 1964-77

Ken L. Salazar (D-Colorado), 2005-2009

Melquiades R. Martinez (R-Florida), 2005-2009

Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey), 2006-

Marco Rubio (R-Florida), 2011-

Native American Indian:

Charles Curtis (R-Kansas), 1907-13; 1915-29 (Kaw)

Robert Owen (D-Oklahoma), 1907-1925 (Cherokee)

Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colorado), 1993-2005 (Northern Cheyenne)"

"NMSDC to Honor Minority and Corporate Leaders"
18:42 October 3, 2011 by cen1
@skatty #113

I see your comments as the only reasonable comments here. The majority of the rest are just manifestations of predjudice and hatred by some self-righteous pseudo peace advocates. The ironic thing is that, on this forum, the ones displaying the most hatred towards others are the ones claiming to be the peace advocates.

But the most disgusting thing for me is how some attempt to glorify the 'perfect, peaceful, and just' (and yes rooted in christianity) western democracy, when it is so far from the truth. Even amoung westerners many understand it to be the main global tyrant. Invasion, domination, exploitation is still the way it rolls, and dare we not go even a little back in history where it is excruciatingly blatant.

The other point is how inextricably Christianity is linked to Western democracy (or colonialism). Christianity has been forced apon Africa, Asia, the South Pacific, often to the demise of indigenous beliefs. Not to mention the compelling arguments people such as Lynn White (Princeton historian and philosopher) make regarding the Christian root to our ecological crisis due to the mentality of exploitation of the 'resource' (the natural world) of which humans may/should dominate.

Of coarse I don't agree with stonings and justified murders etc. (or executions in the US). But the damage and devastation that the intertwined duo of Christianity and Western democracy has beset on much of this world is not to be underestimated. Watch "Darwins Nightmare" for just one tiny example of continued exploitation of Africa by Europe.

There is no justifiable self-righteousness to be had by the West. And at any rate, espousing such blanket hatred as is occurring here is at the very least unproductive.
19:11 October 3, 2011 by Uncle
"Name me one non-Islamic country that offers equality!"

EVERY muslim country discriminates against other religions by LAW. MOST of them discriminate against ethnical minorities. ALL of them discriminate against sexual minorities. ALL of them discriminate against women. BY LAW.

And of course Rinkeby.

cen1

"Even amoung westerners many understand it to be the main global tyrant"

Yep. Sudan kills millions, Iran suppresses thousands of demonstrators, Syria kills thousands in 2 months, Lybia kills thousands in a month in a half, Yemen shoots ground-to-ground missiles on nearby villages, Somalia starves its own population purposely... Muslims invaded Africa and brought these countries to the top of misery. They still run slaves and support piracy on government level.

In the last 50 years, millions were killed by muslims. There was no worse plague that claimed as many lives after the Nazis.

But the west is the problem. West, the brought antibiotics, polio cure, extermination of hundreds of other diseases, internet, clean water, nano-technologies, satellites, while muslims invented clearing mine fields with civilian population and rape as a legal punishment in the court of law - they are the peace bringers.

There is NOTHING from scientific prizes to happiness index, from educational achievements to artistic ones... NOTHING that islam could offer. Nothing. Except of course millions of refugees from the "peaceful" muslim countries to the "evil and tyrannical" west.
19:13 October 3, 2011 by skatty
@bcterry #128

You mean all the western countries offer equality! It seems either you have a very idealistic vision of equality, or a very limited understanding of equality, or we speak completely about different matters!

I suppose there are rich and poor in western countries like anywhere else, it mean s that there is not equality in western countries, otherwise there shouldn't be rich and poor. Even in Sweden, where scream 24 hours a day about equality, there are riches and poor (I am talking about 100% Swedes without any mix with immigrants).

You give me a list of Americans in congress, what about the million poor Americans in the country! At least some should go to congress; otherwise the American dreams would die (except in Hollywood!)

I suggest you to read these books for more information: Who rules America, power, politics and social changes by G. William Domhoff (University of California); and how democratic is the American constitution by Robert A. Dahl (Yale University).

The fact is that, the Islamic countries and the western countries are both rules by market economy and capitalism principles, which practically produce lot of poor and few rich. However, in the western countries, there is a protective system (welfare), which prohibits the poor fall by neck, when in developing countries the poor fall by neck and breaks it! Of course in Rinkby, the poor remain poor with broken legs instead of necks.
19:18 October 3, 2011 by kashmiri81
@Skatty

Very well said :)
20:42 October 3, 2011 by bcterry
19:13 October 3, 2011 by skatty ,

What is your specific bottom line point, and what is your solution?
14:13 October 4, 2011 by bcterry
It appears that asking mr. skatty a question, is lot like addressing a tree stump.

Same result.

@Marilyn vos Savant,

When push comes to shove, there is no way that the civilized world will let this ignorant 7th century regressive infestation gain their wet dream of domination.

Good will always trumps evil in the end.
14:17 October 4, 2011 by godnatt
@ skatty

Not everyone in the West can afford a flat screen TV and a Mercedes. True. Let me wipe the tears away...

So that makes us equivalent to horrible, oppressive regimes that kill their citizens for their beliefs?

Brilliant equivocation, Einstein. FAIL.

Go pay a visit to the Middle East and hand out some atheist reading literature and perhaps you will get the difference.

...And a violent Muslim extremist, @kashmiri who advocates murdering non-Muslims for their beliefs AGREES with you. You must be proud.
15:33 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81
@...

I wish may GOD save Sweden from Racist and atheist extremist @GODNATT who are trying to increase hate and racism for minorities in Sweden

Skatty ..... extremist and racist @ godnatt gave you an example of my self that we support killing non believers is the worst example which is proving the Devilish approach of this person.
17:30 October 4, 2011 by Just_Kidding
@Kashmiri

This was the question: "Do you believe that there is ever any justification for killing muslims who commit apostasy?

Well I am a Muslim if this will happen in my country or in any Other Muslim states ...My answer is YES .

But if these kinds of things are going to happen in west my answer is NO .

Reason

Muslim countries have their own tradition religion ..... if you don't like them leave them alone.Similarly west has its own tradition freedom blah blah .... if Muslims don't like and they have problem they must leave west.

Instead of complaining and blaming we should choose country where we can live and share our ideology. ( For those who always try to impose their ideologies on others )".

1. You are saying those who commit apostasy (changing religion) in Islamic countries should be killed; In addition it is non of our business.

Sorry dude, I believe in a universal human rights and I will fight for it and defend it as much as I can no matter if it is a Palestinian's right in Israel, a wonan's right in Africa or an atheist's right in Pakistan.

Atheist Iranian
17:30 October 4, 2011 by bcterry
Skatty ..... extremist and racist @ godnatt gave you an example of my self that we support killing non believers is the worst example which is proving the Devilish approach of this person."

Your the one who believes that apostates should be murdered, and you accuse others of being extreme and racist?

Muslim hypocrisy never ceases to amaze.
17:59 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81
@bcterry

you guys are Hippocrates when u meet us meet with smile and when we go away start backbiting ...... I wonder y Swedish king gave an award to Muslim king Abdullah if you guys have that much problems with Muslim and with their believes ..... Why your king did this ..... isn't hypocrisy

Its hypocrisy that one the one hand Ur giving medal to Muslim on the other hand u hate them ... Shame.

Secondly we Muslims are not allowed to attack or kill any non Muslim . like you .

converted is an other case and with in islamic law .. its evil or devilish non of your business . Its a matter with in Islamic state not in west

you should just concentrate their is no threat .... if their is any order or Law in Islam go and kill all non Muslim then the world is not like that as it is ..... So plz don't wash brain of others ......
18:31 October 4, 2011 by motti
Kashmirimtukhas. The website MEMRI shows how two faced you all are in the Islamic world. You act pious towards the west, well most of you at least. However, this site actually translated trughfully the message given to the Islamic world.

Your adventure to take over the world will not succeed. If you all can't beat one tiny country like Israel, what chance do you have against the west? That is why you only attempt to demoralise, plan and work agaisnt the countries you migrate to. If the west is so bad, Swdeen included, why do you live there? Why don't you return to your pox ridden place of birth?
19:34 October 4, 2011 by bcterry
17:59 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81

"converted is an other case and with in islamic law .. its evil or devilish non of your business . Its a matter with in Islamic state not in west "

Anytime that innocent people are being brutally murdered, your damn right it's my business, and the business of every good decent human being.

Anyone with an ounce of compassion would feel the same way.

Your border means diddly squat, and your 7th century ignorant ideology does not give exception, no matter what your manmade book says.

Of course there are those who are incapable of feeling anything for their fellow man.
20:32 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81
@bcterry

I was looking for answer of my whole comment but u skipped about the hypocrisy ..... which is showed by giving an award to Saudi King .... hahahahaha Strange a king from Uncivilized , devilish Islam follower country got an award from King of civilized , cultured and blah blah blah ........ open hypocrisy

anyways

If you have too much pain for your fellow men then go and help those who are being dying with hunger .....

And please don't forget to Google how many killed by stoned and after converting and how many peoples are being dying due to hunger and how many innocent dead due to Netto bombardment
21:02 October 4, 2011 by bcterry
20:32 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81 ,

"I was looking for answer of my whole comment"

Here is a child that has ignored 99% of the questions that have come his way, and now

he is miffed because one of his is not specifically addressed.

No need to state the obvious here.
21:12 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81
@motti

Scroll up and start reading from my first comment you will get answer of your comment.I really dont like to repeat my self :)

@y MARILYNVOSSAVANT

I think you have soul of @Godnatt .... so you will also burn in the fire of your own hate :D

@bcterry

If u think I am CHILD then you arer messing with me ... :)
21:32 October 4, 2011 by bcterry
"If u think I am CHILD then you arer messing with me ... :)"

Your a student, i'm a senior, believe me, .........your still a child, as we all are, were, at your age.

Simple reality.
21:47 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81
@bcterry

I agree with this reality :)
22:02 October 4, 2011 by bcterry
21:47 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81

@bcterry

I agree with this reality :) "

First time we met in the middle. :)

For me, still to this day, the more i know, the more i know i don't know.

However, i do know a little.

There are many muslims that are totally against murdering apostates, simply because they know it is wrong.
22:34 October 4, 2011 by kashmiri81
@ bcterry

Once again I agree with you most of the Muslims are against including me ( if u just ignore my very initial comment ) ..... But here comes the problem if I am Muslim no body is going to think vat i think about things they just have a sketch of Muslims as a ...... Terrorist , devilish , un civilized .....even if someone is totally against of that kinda stuff and I bet you bcterry if in my previous response I said i am also against of this all guys were going to call me you are trying to pose your self civilized or you are protecting Islam ..... so in both cases I am going to be get a label of problems creator ....... even if I have a good approach .....Now tell me is it fair ?

So I think its better to be worst if people are not going to accept you if your not best but even better .
05:30 October 5, 2011 by nathan45
How did this article end up so far off topic. The bottom line is that it is not wrong to be anti immigration its a personal opinion and should be treated as such. To tell people that they can not speak out about something and charge them for hate is non democratic.
13:35 October 5, 2011 by motti
Thank you Marilyn, I am very pleased to note that finally the great lie of multicultural Europe being a success, is being shown for what it is. If multicutlurism is so great, when will the Islamic states start their version?

Actually Kasmiri, I have been following your comments from the first. Like so many of your kind, your rage against the west is far greater than your knowledge of facts.

I check out DEBKAFILE and MEMRI just to what is really going on, along with a number of other websites. By the way when non Moslems need to leave Moslem land and not interfere. Did you complain when NATO bombed Serbia to save the not so innocent Moslems of Bosnia? I bet you never thanked them for that did you? If all Europeans were to stop interfering within the islamic world, the killing between your factions will just continue. You are right, let's pull out and encourage you to cvontinue the slaughter. But then, as a Moslem, you will have no right to be among those you hate. Nor will you have the opportunity to interfere.

Thereafter, you can return to your airconditioned cave, read the Koran and submit to Allah all day long and smoke hash, make many children and be happy. AMEN to that.
13:56 October 5, 2011 by bcterry
kashmiri81,

"Once again I agree with you most of the Muslims are against including me ( if u just ignore my very initial comment ) ....."

If you say your first statement was not true, because of the reasons you gave, i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe you.

"But here comes the problem if I am Muslim no body is going to think vat i think about things they just have a sketch of Muslims as a ...... Terrorist , devilish , un civilized .....even if someone is totally against of that kinda stuff"

Your wrong.

Some of my heroes are the brave muslim women who are "totally against that kinda stuff", and bravely standing up against it, and islamic oppression, and demanding their complete equality.

Here are a couple of examples of the many i have came across, "About Face for Afghan Women"

"muslim women standing up against islamic injustice"

You will find much more on this if you open up and look for it.

There are many good decent muslims that are starting to speak out, and acknowledging the factual misgivings of muslims, and past, and present day islamic atrocities, instead of denying and rationalizing everything in blind defiance of any challenge.

"I bet you bcterry if in my previous response I said i am also against of this all guys were going to call me you are trying to pose your self civilized or you are protecting Islam ..... so in both cases I am going to be get a label of problems creator ....... even if I have a good approach .....Now tell me is it fair ?"

That is a big leap based on your assumptions of someone, and others who you know nothing about.

I can only speak for myself, but i'm sure many others feel the same way, i do not label anyone as a problem maker without just cause.

You admit you were not honest about your true feelings on apostasy, so maybe the problems you are experiencing here, may be of your own doing?

If you just be yourself, with no pretense, you may be surprised on how people will open up and accept you, simply for who you are as a person, and not for what you believe spiritually.

Believe what you like, as long as it does not adversely affect the lives of others.

"So I think its better to be worst if people are not going to accept you if your not best but even better . "

If you are a good decent person, who does no harm, you will be accepted by other good decent people who do no harm.

I have absolutely no ill feelings towards you, and is that a little heart i'm detecting? :)

i wish you all the best in the future.
16:05 October 5, 2011 by beaver 1
The Local should be complemented for introducing this subject.

Many have moved to Sweden because of justice, freedom, and respect for the rights of others.

Regrettably, it does appear that criminal activities from forigners in increasing. Not all people are being treated equally....

Perhaps a change in mind-set is required to treat crime at least as important as cheating on taxes....
21:34 October 5, 2011 by skatty
@godnatt #136

The discussion has been about the equality in western countries for everybody according to the conclusion of "bcterry". In my comment #131, I have explained that such equality doesn't exist anywhere, neither in west nor in east (Islamic countries), and I have explained why!

Read the comment before judgment.
02:07 October 6, 2011 by Chickybee
I spent two and a half years teaching English in Cairo.

Egypt is supposed to be a moderate Muslim country but the reality of life for non-Muslims is frightening. It's sheer Hell. Moderate Muslims live in fear of helping their neighbours as many do.

At night women dare not leave their homes unveiled or alone as they will the victims of sexual aggression and harassment.

Coptic Christians live in constant fear and the kidnapping of many young Coptic grills who 'convert' and then marry Muslim men is shockingly underreported.

What is so richly ironic is that the lefties who bleat about the enrichment of Muslim immigrants bringing cultural diversity ought to take a good look at Egypt - it's the Muslim way or live in fear of death.

Live in the Muslim world and you will see how 'peaceful' it really is.
17:10 October 7, 2011 by Aigulle Delaz
Absolutely AGREE 100 per cent. Finally someone who actually garners the paradigms of the debate on the dangers of silence. Wish more commentators in Britain would report like this.
08:20 October 8, 2011 by skatty
@ bcterry #139

Your conclusion that everybody in western countries is equal is not right. I think the point of "godnatt" that there is not the freedom of speech and opinion in Islamic countries.

I should mention that you can find the answer in the book "who rules America by Domhoff (if you read it!), or refer to this site about the book (the chapter on Theory of power):

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/class_domination.html

Even a country with freedom of speech and opinion can be ruled by the wealthy few, because the power is in their hand, here I write from the book:

"….There are three primary indicators of power, which can be summarized as (1) who benefits? (2) who governs? and (3) who wins? In every society there are experiences and material objects that are highly valued. If it is assumed that everyone in the society would like to have as great a share as possible of these experiences and objects, then the distribution of values in that society can be utilized as a power indicator. Those who benefit the most, by inference, are powerful. In American society, wealth and well-being are highly valued. People seek to own property, earn high incomes, to have interesting and safe jobs, and to live long and healthy lives. All of these "values" are unequally distributed, and all may be utilized as power indicators."
09:27 October 8, 2011 by OUIJA
Freedom of speech does not exist since the rule of political correctness was established. The future of free thinkers will be to use a tape covering their mouths.
16:21 October 8, 2011 by bcterry
08:20 October 8, 2011 by skatty ,

Why the hell are you only talking about those things pertaining only to America?

The same thing goes on in every country in the world.
17:56 October 8, 2011 by skatty
@ bcterry #161

Exactly, the same thing is going on in every country because there is almost (with some differences) the same economy system in every country. I gave you the example of America (which is a very good example of wealth), because you gave me the example of America with a list of congress men (in #128)!

So far, it seems that you agree there is inequality everywhere including western countries. Now, the point is the freedom of speech and opinion, which it seems that it's free in western countries (which actually it's not, for more information you can read the book "Necessary Illusions" by Noam Chomsky).

If I conclude what you say is true then I should say that people in western countries are equally free to speak about their inequality, when people in Islamic countries are not equally free to speak about their inequality.

The fact is that just to speak about inequality would not bring equality to people, unless the words change to action. In the west, the words change to action by protest (sometimes peaceful, and sometimes with violence, especially in the poor areas of the big cities). In Islamic country the words, (which mostly are undergrounds) change to action by wars and revolutions.

It's why I mentioned in my comment #131, that you either have a very idealistic vision of equality (an imagination of equality, which is very common in western countries), or a very limited understanding of equality (like "godnatt" with the example of flat screen TV in #136).
19:26 October 8, 2011 by bcterry
"If I conclude what you say is true then I should say that people in western countries are equally free to speak about their inequality, when people in Islamic countries are not equally free to speak about their inequality. "

The people in Western countries are free to speak freely, ...... period.

The people in islamic countries are not.

"In Islamic country the words, (which mostly are undergrounds) change to action by wars and revolutions."

Which so far have resulted in nothing but more wars and revolutions, that have led to what?, more islamic fascist dictatorships.

At least in Western countries, we are free to vote, free to discuss, and free to work towards more equity.

Unions, women's movements, civil rights movements, etc.

Religious freedom in Western countries, no religious freedom in islamic countries.

Freedom to criticize religions in Western countries, you risk your life if you dare to criticize islam in islamic countries.

The difference in equality in Western countries compared to islamic countries, is simply staggering, and any attempt to equivocate the two is laughable.

At least we are free to pursue equality, in islamic countries you are not allowed to even entertain the thought.
20:23 October 8, 2011 by skatty
@bcterry #163

I don't suppose to write a book by comments in THE LOCAL. Anyway, the freedom which you speak about in west is more or less an illusion. Again, as an example look at America, where is considered a democratic country, there has been periods when black people didn't have the rights of whites (not long ago, and still many don't have), periods of M. Luther king (shot to death), there has also been periods of McCarthy (McCarthyism).

I personally don't consider a division between the Islamic world and Western world, this kind of division is made by the owners of power in the world. My division of world is class based, and class conflicts, Islamic or non-Islamic, west or east. However, I use the word "Islamic" in my comments, because the point of views of many in west (including you) is so narrow and focused on Islam that they practically are not able to consider world conflicts from any other point of view except religion conflicts!

By difference in equality (in west and east), you mean the freedom of speech, which periodically has been under pressure from upper-classes in western countries during the history (refer to some history books); nothing has ever been absolute, neither in west nor in east, especially freedom.

Everybody is free to pursue equality; in Islamic or non-Islamic world, there is the question of the price, which should be paid by some people!
21:52 October 8, 2011 by bcterry
"Again, as an example look at America, where is considered a democratic country, there has been periods when black people didn't have the rights of whites (not long ago, and still many don't have), periods of M. Luther king (shot to death), there has also been periods of McCarthy (McCarthyism)."

Those things have been, and continue to be overcome.]

That is not an illusion, it's a reality.

Read their constitution, and what America aspires to, and why people worldwide are lining up to get in.

Name me one islamic country where people are lining up to get in.

Do you see the difference?

"By difference in equality (in west and east), you mean the freedom of speech, which periodically has been under pressure from upper-classes in western countries during the history (refer to some history books); nothing has ever been absolute, neither in west nor in east, especially freedom. "

NOW, is not ancient history.

"Everybody is free to pursue equality; in Islamic or non-Islamic world, there is the question of the price, which should be paid by some people! ?

Freedom to pursue equality in islamic countries?

LOL, ... and you call me naive.

"I personally don't consider a division between the Islamic world and Western world, this kind of division is made by the owners of power in the world."

Bullsxxxx.

The division is a result of islamic dictatorial fascism, and the repulsion of it by good decent people with compassion and a sense of humanity.
22:14 October 8, 2011 by skatty
@bcterry #165

So, there is nothing for me to argue with you, when you believe what I say is Bullsxxxx. It means there is nothing in your mind to be arguable for me.

Thank you for the entertainment.
22:34 October 8, 2011 by bcterry
So, there is nothing for me to argue with you, when you believe what I say is Bullsxxxx. It means there is nothing in your mind to be arguable for me. "

I understand, as there is simply no arguing the facts,

One of them being, it is simply factual bullsxxx to say there is no division between islam and the free world.
03:17 October 9, 2011 by ramshead
Is it not oblivious to all sane minded people of the dangers Islam brings to Christian nations? Death threats like this is the way of Islam and for Muslims to claim they are a peace loving people is a lie. The peace they proclaim is only for other Muslims, all others are to repent or being subservient to Islam or be killed. It is time for not only Sweden, but the whole world to wake up to this threat and not believing this is like sticking your head in the sand and hoping it'll all just fo away. The only thing that'll go away is your freedom.
18:34 October 9, 2011 by Commoner
@kashmiri (The Chill Man)

We don't know what kind of work you are heading..Why don't u tell us? And, Why don't u publicize your noble views at your workplace or whatever business u r into. That would give your true picture to the customers.

Morever this imam friend of yours who is making such a statement should do that back in his homeland. Not here. When u are here follow the law of the land. This is a european country & not a taliban lead region where u might come from. The world will be a better place in the absence of extremist people like you, believe me :)
23:26 October 9, 2011 by kashmiri81
@ commoner

I was thinking I am out of discussion but okay once again but last time :)

well dear ...... You just wasted your time by writing this comment because I have replied many times about this kind of reaction :)

How many times I have to tell what ever person views are ( extremist or Devilish LIKE ME ) ....... As long as some one is going to respect Swedish laws he should stay here ...... else he should leave .

and how many times I have to tell being a extremist ... if I have a problem with this society I will leave it unless of trying to impose my views here .

as far as imams point of view is concerned he just told about his view he didn't say that it must be imposed here :)

So please don't teach me that what should I or what shouldn't I :)

and try to understand my answer in positive way and close this discussion :)

Thanks in advance :)
16:26 October 11, 2011 by Tysknaden
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,790871,00.html
08:03 October 12, 2011 by faizans80
@Tysknade:

With due respect to your statistical calculations in one of the post above.

I wont say who (NATO or Taliban) are responsible for killings in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

I would just refer to the situation before this war and after this war. Things are clear :)

There were absolutely NO killings before NATO invasion in Afghanistan but today we don't have a single month without any incident of killings :)

We should accept certain facts !! should not we !!!

@Article, it is exegeration to some extent. If you invite people from variant background, you are likely to have such issues :) Not a surprise for me at least. Radical clerics (regardless of their religion) are usually outspoken. Makes sense !!!
22:12 October 21, 2011 by Suntiger
Late to the party I know, but in regards to the Iman who quoted the Qu'ran that all who leaves Islam should be killed - he does in fact have the right to say that.

However, he must also take the consequences of saying it.

For one thing it might come under the heading of 'Hets mot Folkgrupp', which is a crime and should be dealt with accordingly.

Furthermore, if he or anyone else tries to implement that for real and try to kill people, that is also a crime and should be dealt with accordingly.

There is a basic law in Sweden that you are free to follow whatever belief you wish.

However, the secular law is above "divine law" and thus crimes made with the justification of a belief system and it's "divine law" are still crimes and, again, should be treated accordingly.
10:23 October 25, 2011 by indeedmagnifier
I have some questions of the author of this article "Bahareh Andersson":

You are yourself an immigrant from Middle East and talking about racism! What is your point? Isn't it better to let these arguments to the original Swedish people? How could it be in favor of you? Rising up the racism issue is against your own integrity and spirit!

In addition, in your article you should separate the subjects and put them in the separate articles and in different times. It feels that you use the word racism in your article as a tool in fact you are manipulating the people to act hysterically and start to emission their comments confusingly without understanding what distinctively your point is. I am not sure even you yourself figure out to what conclusion you want to arrive and achieve! There is too much ambiguity in your thoughts.

There is a bad attitude among the immigrants, those who want to make themselves adored to the people of the country, feel to start to make fool of immigrants and say the bad about them or of herself's background to attract the intention of the people, for the desire of MAKING A FUNNY GUY OF herself, to show off and show of herself a cool person!

You better if you are wise and serious, one at a time write about the things. One time about that cheerless Imam and other stories of schools and etc, then next time in other article you can forward the subject of racism if you feel that it is wise to do so! Moreover be clear in your mind that what your point is, be specific! let people understand in what direction you are moving, and in what ultimately point you want to arrive.

However, just starting with a bunch of stories and accusing people and authorities and forwarding the word "racism" without being enough specific, just shows your confusion.

In addition forwarding the word "racism" by an immigrant, it could show that the person is in a state of mind of feeling herself a loser searching for admiration, if you might want to and show yourself "More Catholic than the Pope"!

Good luck
13:33 November 21, 2012 by KossBoss
"how is Sweden multicultural?it's still a racist society that doesn't allow people of colour to succeed....an example of multicultural societies are U.K,Canada,U.S where there are lots of enterpreneurs and success stories among all people regardless of colour or faith."

@Sheba

Huh? You haven't been out to a suburb lately have you?

Sure, go ahead and compare apples with oranges. First of all, US and Canada CHERRYPICK all their immigrants. No matter if they're asylum seekers or work- immigrants their residence permit is strictly based on their level of education and skills. The immigrants in CA and US have solid education and needed skills and are therefore more prone to succeed and integrate in their new country as opposed to Sweden and Europe that take in illiterate immigrants on grounds regardless of skills/eduction criterias. So here we have a bunch of immigrants with poor education and skills Sweden isn't exactly in need for together with a rigid work legislation implying it's expensive to sack people for employers making them very cautious before hiring and add to that too high entry-level salaries for unskilled labor. I think you can now add 1+1 and figure out the answer yourself why so many non-European immigrants are having a hard time to find jobs and succeed in Sweden and many other parts of Europe. THAT'S the true explanation and is not an issue of being racist society as you claim. Despite that, one mustn't forget there are countless of success stories where immigrants have managed to succeed very well in Sweden as entrepreneurs or hired. But those people came to Sweden in the 70's and 80's when the job market better and where many of them had a stubborn business mind and much better schooling in general and wouldn't give up and take on any job or start a business rather than living on benefits paid by the tax payers. In those days Sweden didn't have any explicit integration policies or programs stated by the government either.

This is an issue that NEEDS to be discussed sooner or later, hopefully sooner. Throw what you want at The Sweden Democrats, but it's the only party who has had the courage to break the silence and made attempts to deal with this important issue in rational ways by forcing the other parties to ransack their own complacency and ideas. This is a matter of a skewed immigrant policy where the combination between the current labour market politics, regulations, educational demands and requirements and the large flux of unskilled immigrants simply don't work. Just face it! This has caused a worringly increasing segregation between different socio-economic groups where both young Swedes and immigrants are struggling hard to get into a hopeless job market. I want a country where people work together towards common goals and develop values where they can feel proud about their contribution in building a country, regardless of origin. Sweden is worth so much better than this!
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