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After Malmö mayor Ilmar Reepalu ruffled feathers last week by suggesting ‘temporary’ citizenship as a way to combat crime, contributor Ruben Brunsveld reflects on the meaning of passports and citizenship.
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Also, I think citizenship as we treat it today is a 100% practical and mundane matter. One's cultural or ethnic identities are often tied to their place of citizenship, but citizenship is about rights, responsibilities, and jurisdiction, and the two certainly do not have to coincided.
You say your friend would not give up his American citizenship. I wouldn't, either, and it's certainly not because I feel any sort of strong ties to any Americaness in my sense of identity; I haven't lived there for years, and I only go back for my family once per year at most. However, even when I (eventually) get dual citizenship, I plan to keep my American passport even with the insufferable tax regime. Why? Giving it up is expensive, a massive pain in the ass, and restricts your right to, for example, visit family you may have back in the country.
>when you meet him he's definitely American.
>He told me about his troubles with the Swedish Migration Board (Migrationsverket), which
>wanted to keep his US passport for three months after he applied for Swedish citizenship.
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>Since John is a big-time traveler this caused him some problems.
>John's main reason for applying for a Swedish passport is that he travels a lot within the
>EU and - being American - having a Swedish passport would make travelling much
>easier.
this is a really strange "main reason" why John wants to become Swedish citizen i believe: if he is working for a swedish employer, it means than he possesses swedish residence and work permits. A person with swedish residence permit can travel within EU with no real limitations.
otherwise everything looks normal. Migrationsverket makes its job slowly as usually and sometimes quite in a stupid way.
>I am sure that if that were the case, he would not do it.
If I remember correctly he is not even allowed to give up his American citizenship.
Regarding the justification for having a Swedish passport, I pay taxes in Sweden, so why shouldn't I get the all of the services to which Swedish citizens are entitled both in Sweden and abroad? If I don't get the full menu of services, shouldn't I pay reduced tax rates?
Regarding socialization and customs, you can take the American out of America, but you can't take America out of the American. We are what we are, and we think that's a pretty good thing. Even so, we assimilate well and add some invaluable dynamism to an otherwise drab and conformist Swedish society. It's a win-win situation.
@Askar>Permanent means permanent but the vise sticker or the card have a time frame after that you have to reniew it like people doing for ID card and driving licence etc...
john has a Swedish girlfriend, lives in Sweden and work in Sweden. the writer couldn't see all these as tangible reasons for john to get citizenship.
are you serious Ruben Brunsveld?
"offers training in Intercultural Communication, Public Speaking & Negotiation Techniques" man you need to get back and study these courses before teaching them!
the only country he could not go for sure without applying for a visa which i can think of is UK.
the other contries are either members of Shengen zone or grant visa-free entrance for people with a residence permit issued by one of the Shengen states. So John probably wants to get swedish citizenship just to be able to travel to UK.
now he is complaining swedish authorities took his passport for 3 months to grant him citizenship. i wish him to be some other country's citizen and go to US embassy to get US visa in some country. he'd certainly enjoy it.
The UK is a member of the visa waiver pilot program. As an American, his passport is a valid tourist visa.
"As usual, John was in a hurry when we met." - Yes, we often give that impression. :) It is not meant to be rude; it is just how we are. Some Americans try not to appear in such a hurry, even though it sometimes make us uncomfortable. It may interested readers to know that we also do that to each other: Americans from the northeast of the country appear hurried and impatient to Americans from the southeast. In the other direction, we find some southerners to be irritatingly slow. The key is to recognize that it is a cultural difference and not let it bother you.
To Åskar: Yes, he is allowed to give up his US citizenship. There are many ways to lose US citizenship (e.g. serving in a non-US army), but it is no longer the rule that you automatically lose US citizenship just by taking citizenship in another country. (Immigrants to the US are still required to renounce all other citizenships if they want to become a US citizen.)
Obviously, John must have some significant connection to Sweden if he is willing to swear loyalty to it. (You do have to do that to become a Swedish citizen, right?) Sure, he notices the practical considerations. But are you sure that is all it is, or is it just the sort of practical reason that an American would think to describe to his friend?
if so, i can see no reason why swedish passport "would make travelling much easier" for John.
It's a sad but true fact.
As civic Scotland is largely autonomous and distinctive from civic England, you could even say that Scots have de facto Scots citizenship, even if it is not de jure, yet.
I largely became a Swedish citizen because I find the concept of Swedish citizenship to be attractive, whereas I find the concept of British citizenship to be unattractive. I expect to soon be swapping the Yookay passport for a Scottish one.
I have yet to travel with my new Swedish passport, but will employ it in a fortnight on a trip to Edinburgh. I wonder how I will feel when I go through the "UK Border" with my new identity? Wonderful I expect!
Second of all, if he is living in Sweden permanently, he better give up his american citiuzenship, because US taxes its nationals even if they are living abroad.
As for citizenship/ethinicity...two different things....a Somali or Iraqi with a swedish citizenship is still a Somali/Iraq. Only wikipedia would like you to think differently.
Luckily, Sweden and the US have one of the best tax reciprocity agreements around; we get on-par credit for all taxes paid to Sweden up to $US 85,000/annum. It still drives me crazy that I can file my Swedish taxes via SMS yet spend $US 500 for an accountant to report to the IRS.
How to renounce your US citizenship:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html
Recent NYTimes--Op-Ed on US taxation abroad:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/opinion/07iht-edsokol07.html
While you do need to send your passport in with your application for citizenship, you can request to have it returned again until your application comes up for assessment. I was told that directly from Migrationsverket. Phone them up, tell them that you're planning to travel, and they send your passport back within 48 hours together with a letter asking you to kindly return the passport as soon as possible or when they write again asking for it. My application took 4 weeks to be approved, so you're not without your passport forever.
I've tried to read everything i can on this subject. if a person has no income in the states do you still file taxes? all I have is retirement funds, ira/401k.. do I still file and give my swedish income also? is their a form for this. perhaps I've trusted the wrong tax guy?
The US with their weird tax rules, Morocco with the impossibility to denounce your citizienship etc. Russia and China with their visa.
I can imagine what an american living in europe must think about passport controls within europe. I have the same when flying to the US. For some reason you are treated as a criminal. What the hell do they think a normal western-european wants to do in their country??.....apparantly they think it is something that can be prevented by standing in cues for hours. Worse even for chinese students that want to go to a conference in the US.
People can get really sick, tired and angry when they behold the ways of immigration employees. Schengen has been great for europeans, but if you see that a country like England doesn't join this union you really want those countries to grow up and stop their childish games of bullying business people and tourists.
yes, you still need to file both federal and state tax. Federal no matter what, state dependant upon what state you last claimed residency in (typically where your US drivers license is issued from). Each state has their own rules on if, when and why you will need to file. You do have to report your SE income on both, but due to the high tax rates in SE, owing money to the US govt. should be rare.
In addition to taxes you also need to report any account you hold that at any point in the year more than (i believe) 10k USD of value. I can not recall the name of the form, but due to the patriot act and terrorism the US govt feels it necessary to know where you are holding your money and how much it is.
form TD F 90-22-1 is sent to the treasury dept.
I found this:
http://www.expatnetwork.com/Money/Expat-Tax/Tax-for-American-Expats.cfm
seems to spell it out pretty well.
However, please use your passport to make a trip to North Korea or Iran and then attempt to cross the US border. You won't attempt that a second time.
Instead you will want to use one passport ONLY for traveling to the United States and the other for traveling to other countries. As things are a lot better recorded these days then they where a few years ago, you can't do it with a second passport from the same citizenship and it works much better getting one from another country.
The same goes for trying to enter Israel after having been in Iran or Syria.
Why do you think that the Govt wants to have information from G***le and F***book
The situation reminds me of the Cuban "local spies" who were present at every corner so that if anyone would say anything against the system, the "Spy" would know it and report it to Havana.
I look forward to the day when you guys will finally give yourself a vote (it can happen now, the SNP are in power ) and get out of the UK. Its not that I necessarily want the UK to break up but this is preferable to listening to Scots whinging about not feeling British.
Once you are a dual citizenship you become neither from where you are from, nor from where you are living.
i have both portuguese and brazilian citizenship , one by jus sanguinis and other by jus solis, i consider myself brazilian but im nothing like most brazilians and im definately nothing like any portuguese.
By my experience you get caught in a limbo halfway between both and you are neither. Im still a very patriotic brazilian though, maybe result of being born in the 80s in rio on a post dictatorship era.
But despite being proud of it doesnt change the fact i havent been back in long and did not follow the changes that occured in rio for the past 20 years.
Most dual citizens ive known tended to revolt against one of the countries and thats something they have to deal with themselves and not go all extreme. It is a very hard life altering experience on a personal level.
Requires someone to see himself more as a citizen of earth than anything else.But then again too many humans give the race a bad name, just like many immigrants give bad name and live the stereotype ignorant people build.
its a hard road i but it definately makes you wiser.
For democratic reasons I should really sign up for citizenship. So that I get a proper say in how the country where my family live is run, and how my taxes are spent in the country where I pay them.
But something less rational holds me back, don't know whether that is loyalty to the homeland, allegiance to the crown or what. I think I have some notion that by being 100% no-questions British I would be better helped by a British embassy in the event of crash landing in a remote tropical jungle - maybe somewhat of a naive belief!
I understand your reasoning--rational or not--except for the last. How would the British embassy know that you held Swedish citizenship as well?
When I received my Swedish citizenship certificate in the mail some seven years after coming to Sweden (and never having planned to stay), it happened to be midsummer's eve. I was in the middle of the country and took a bus from my home into a neighboring town to be with friends for the evening. The fields were yellow with rapseed, there were boats on the canal, and as I starred out the window wondering if I felt anything different with this piece of paper (and a bouquet of cornflowers) in my hand, I realized that there were far too many people in this world with no place to call home, no passport or identity papers of any kind in their hands.
Loyalty does not have to be blind or for the purely sentimental. It can represent a pride in being associated with countries that, despite their flaws, mistakes and hypocracies, attempt to uphold principals that provide a quality of life that I do not take forgranted. That I can be both Swedish and American in this particular time in history is not such a bad thing at all.
Totally agree with you.
I believe people from certain ethnicities born in Sweden even having a Swedish passport are not considered Swedish in the eyes of society.
Can you site a source for this statement from post #14:
"(Immigrants to the US are still required to renounce all other citizenships if they want to become a US citizen.) "
White melancholia Mourning the loss of "Good old Sweden" http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2011-10-18-hubinette-en.html
Citizenship is in many ways a means of shoring up the asymmetrical distributions of wealth and resources across the world, which in the past few centuries has seen the 'migration' of capital from non-Western countries to Western ones. In the context of 'globalization, it is part and parcel of 'a set of concrete actions effectuated by Europeans to exploit and draw profit from the resources of the non-European world' (Immanuel Wallerstein).
As capital drifts away from Europe, it sparks resentment and protectionist measures, not to mention conflagrations of racism, and concomitant immigration policies that seek to stem the outflow of capital and protect existing global inequalities in capital distribution.
For these reasons, I think the notion of citizenship, nationalism, and restrictions on the movement of labour (i.e. people) should be abolished.
A bit of googling found the exact oath on uscis.gov (an official US government web site). Search for "Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America" .
Thanks for responding. So not to debate anymore your statement that I quoted, but only for discussion, since we know that dual citizenship is allowed, how does that fit in with the oath and in particularly the first sentence of the oath? I can only assume that renouncing and abjuring allegiance and fidelity does not mean you have to give up citizenship, right? The question only applies to countries which have dual citizenship relations with the u.s. of course.