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The Greek government's decision to call a referendum on the eurozone settlement to write down the country's debt, raises uncertainty over the Greek economy, according to Swedish PM Fredrik Reinfeldt.
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"Do you want to be saved or not, is this the question?"
That's not the question Mr. Reinfeldt. The real question is, "do you want to be helping foreign banks write down as little as possible of the Greek debt which should never have existed in the first place, but does exist due to combined irresponsibility Greece plus German / French / UK / Swedish etc. banks ?"
But of course if he said it this way it might become a little bit clearer why everyone is so interesting in "helping" Greece, and that wouldn't be so good for politicians and their banking buddies.
The EU and the Euro were a great idea. But, like Communism, didnt take into account that people and countries will always lie and cheat to get what is best for themselves, at the expense of everyone else.
Thank you Greece, the homeland of democracy, for being the catalyst that will restore a little democracy to Europe.
If Greece doesn't change it current course and get a grip, it probably going to trigger the most serious event in Europe since WW2. Causing 'major problems' is a bit of an understatement.
The Greek people should be been bearing the brunt for the past decade and avoided this whole mess in the first place.
Greece was only the weakest link. Several much bigger EU countries have been living and borrowing beyond their means, and doing nothing to avoid the innevitible consequences that occur when socialist economies run out of other peoples money to borrow and waste. The whole bunch of them are going down the pan, Greece is only the first, but certainly not the worst. The "major problems" will be when Spain, Italy and France cant get access to more money to finance their useless economies. One, two or all three of those will be responsible for wrecking the project. Not Greece.
Enough with this "Do you want to be saved or not" nonsense. You can't save a debt by lending more money and asking for dramatic social security cuts. That's politicians' language and talk. At last, someone has to try to spend no more than he/she produces. If the first one to do that has to be Greece, then so be it. Greece had given the light of civilization and democracy before, anyway.
I'm curious to see how the people of the rest of the EU will perceive the new situation that emerges
That pejorative PIIGS acronym is extremely biased and borders on xenophobic given facts like the above...
What does not help is too much austerity measures pursued by many governments and too much negativity. A combination of both could well push Europe and beyond into another recession.
Finally, I think that Fredrik Reinfeldt is right to playdown the doomsday scenarios.
If I applied for a bank loan, and gave false information about my economy to get it, that would be a crime, and I would be an idiot. Why is that the bank's fault?
If I ran my personal finances in such a terrible way that I couldn't repay the loan, why is that the bank's fault?
If the bank will only lend me even more money at very high interest rates, why is that the bank's fault?
If the bank refuses to lend me even more money unless I sell everything I have, give up every benefit I am entitled to, and work hard until I am 65, why is that the bank's fault?
The bank's only fault would have been for doing for business with a crook like me in the first place.
Don't think that banks are so naive!
the problem with the world as we now know it is that we put too muc trust in our politicians and hope they know what is best for the country. that is false. politicians are concerned with winning elections and pleasing big business, huge donors and nothing else.
for years, UKIP's Nigel Farage has criticized the EU and their undemocratic posturing. If Greece needs a referendum, so be it. Let dooms day come. Like someone mentioned above, the West seeks to further democracy abroad but are highly undemocratic themselves back home.
watch a bit of Nigel Farage on youtube
Are you suggesting this is a cunning plan by the banks to lose all their money? If it was, it has been a great success.
One thing is the banks losing money... They do, but they get bailed out and the executives typically keep getting a lot of money, bonuses and often profit further from insider trading etc.
As for your earlier question, yes, the bank is at fault if they lend you money without doing their due diligence. For any bad loan there are two guilty parties, the lender and the borrower. The problem in this crisis is that the lenders almost always get rescued by taxpayers (but even taxpayers run out of money, so it can't go on forever).
The guy who is so against Europe and the whole 'undemocratic' process.
Strange that he is so willing to take his pay as a member of the EU parliament and to milk every cent he can in expenses. He does not really want the UK to leave Europe as it would put paid to his EU gravy train. He is just another hippocritical windbag.
(smiley face intended)
Answer: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/
a german doctor retires at 70 because the law prohibits him from continue, paying taxes all the time whilst a greek hairdresser retires at 50 and doesn't pay any taxes. go figure where the problem lies.
historically greece hasn't been able to put any industrial concepts together let alone having a high quality product. it paints a clear picture that greece doesn't belong to an organized community.
Last night my little one was about this size....
The uprisings against too wealthy big guys with small minds world-wide, will continue to be bigger and biggest and the all type of goons, even 3rd WW won't be able to suppress anymore -the timely voice of the 'Hard-working, digitally well communicated more intelligent Middle Class People'.
The suppressed evidences of old Russian style political hoaxes are now re-discoverable and not destroyable in the name of procedural destruction to save "the Elusive Crocodile".
National secrets is a concept of the old world to validate ugly plots and acts of some guys in then, world powers. New World will do much better without those acts and foreign policies etc.
New policies needed to validate phone and e-mail hacking by the Government in a no secret manner, then only bad guys, whether be a citizen or its leader; a member of the public or a public servants have to worry and become good.
Nothing will ever be perfect but 'Perfection' is in the acts of balancing (50%'s of opposing forces) and that's how everything about our humanly existence and mundane things are programmed.
To be honest, I must state: otherwise, dishonesty always to be remained in the fabric of politics and the old norm is to continue where there won't be enough honest supporters behind to build a honest leadership, therefore, negatively powerful dishonest leader-ships will prevail. We-the non-violent wise persons need to be united and 'not divided' in our unique aim to build a Wise Leader-ship of the world in the soil of North-America!
Shahislam