Published: 2 Nov 11 12:26 CET | Print version
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One call to social services was enough to land a Swedish couple behind bars and have their kids taken away for more than two months after an innocent situation was misinterpreted as sexual abuse.
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unfortunately , no one seems to ever want to discuss it . It is no secret that most Swedes live open lives with their children . Parents swim with their small children -almost naked . In some homes , a parent will not bother covering up when small children are in the room . Some fathers even take baths with their daughters . Experts in child behavior strictly advise against this practice for obvious reasons.
In this case , the girls were allowed to jump into their parents beds , even when everyone knows that children are always curious about what their parents do when they stay in bed in the mornings .
The danger is that chiildren are less likely to make up stories if there is no basis for it . This time , the children did not just imagine that their dad was responsible for making him touch his penis ; he admits that one one the girls touched his penis . Whether or not she did it accidentaly ( twice ) is just a detail . The main question is why did the parents expose their daughters to a situation where penis touching was innevitable ?
Yes , it is always easy to be shocked and accusative after the fact . Still , a parent has to take full responsibility for his/ her careless action .
Personally , I do not think that children should be encouraged to romp with their naked parents in any bed .
read : http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=45949&hl
This sort of heavy handed 'witch hunt' abuse is unacceptable.
I can assure you that I know the difference between an "infant/ toddler" and a six year old girl .
You probably need to study the concept of "contextuality" if you want to understand what I am talking about .
The clue is that the girl did not complain that she had touched her mothers breast or private part ; she accused her father of letting/ making her touch his penis .
Figure out what that means
I dated a girl who came from a family of 10 kids. Got more kids than that?
There was also a case from the 80s or 90s where a child was taken from her British mother because the mother spoke English at home with the child. I think the state tortured that family for years as well.
And when the parents freak out because of this abuse, the state then accuses them of having mental problems. It's so sick and so abusive.
The Swedish state can be absolutely SINISTER and far too often looks more and more like an dystopic Authoritarian regime.
The girl never accused her father of anything. Get your facts in order.
The prosecutor is Birgitta Fernlund and she has been critizised before by the JO. She is clearly not fit to work in the position she is in.
I dated a girl who was the oldest of 20. baby sitting was a nightmare, never had any time to get my evil way with 19 to keep in order.
As far as Jes is concerned if he has any kids, (which I doubt as he seems not to have reached puberty yet) They must lead a terrible life with his Victorian prudishness. He also does not seem to have the capability to read properly as he makes false assertions as to what really happened.
1) It is not everyone you confine to or say everything to in the name of brother/sister.This is because some people's minds are programmed to here only evil no matter the good one says to them. Anyway ! Many lessons learnt from here I guess !
2) I belive the social servise has blown this outta proportion and should answer at the court !
There should have been a proper legal procedure with investigation before any of the actions that where taken should have been approved. In general social services should not have this power without a court order.
And common sense says you cannot demand compensation every time you get cleared by a court of law...
I don't see anything wrong with children of that age going into their parent's bedroom. It's completely natural behavior. If the little girl in question was showing no signs of being abused what was the problem? It sounds like a sister with an ax to grind based on the fact that she didn't call the parents before calling social services.
Wow...this is going to make for an awkward Xmas dinner for that family!
If the Social Services primary job is to protect the children, they should have investigated more thoroughly before traumatizing the children with separation. The damage done to the children's security will last a lifetime.
It's classical psychology. The abused has become the abuser.
It's YOUR system. If you don't like it, you need to take steps to stop it abusing YOU. you don't have to take this, but your silence in such matters gives it permission to continue.
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It is very sad that the children were exposed to such a bad & long lasting situation, while the touching was done accidentally and it was no more thought of after it happened. At least,People need to understand that the father can't do such an evil thing in the presence of the mother. I guess the sister is some kind of envious person-quick to reuine the family.
If they do and are prooven wrong... sue them... hold them responsible for making a bad call.. if this is not done they have carte blanche and will never clean up their act and the senseless persecution of normal families will go unchecked...
@ Kaether
Common sense should have told them to investigate before bring out the big guns for nothing.. they botched up.. now sue them !!! hold them accountable for their actions, we are being held accountable for ours...
your story is one of the saddest I've ever read. :(
your children do not belong to you!
I do agree with the others though jennies sister is jealous that the girl got to play with "daddy" and she missed out ! :( oh the thought of forbidden korv
A different take. Children belong to God and have been entrusted to families to rear. Sweden outgrew Christianity and replaced God with the state. The state now believes it owns the children and is accountable only to itself. Wake up Sweden your "intellect" is destroying you.
If I throw in "I saw them through the window", should I be assured that he will surely move, because the social services will label him as a pedophile, even if not proved in the court?
WOW what a great potential!
This isnt much worse than those idiots that insist the women wear burkas.
That way, anyone who has any sort of professional contact with any of them, may ask for their cases to be reassigned to another person. After a few months of professional isolation, even the dimmest public servant should realise he/she is unfit for their current roll, and ask to be reassigned, or even better - resign.
Migga says the prosecutor is Birgitta Fernlund. Does anyone know any names of the other people involved?
Are people saying that when the sister comes forward and reports abuse that this should be ignored?
I don't think most would agree with that to be honest :). However there does need to be a procedure/method/means by which the claims are investigated in a better way. Any claim of abuse needs to be taken seriously and with instant action, however a healthy dose of common sense is needed too. No matter what way you try to justify the action taken against the parents, it was mishandled and demonstrates an incompetence and inflexibility in the 'system' to deal with the issue in an appropriate way.
Reports shouldn`t be ignored. They should be investigated. But only after an investigation should a decision be made whether or not the children should be taken into custody. In this case there was no investigation. It was solely based on the sisters report.
On another note since there are so many people giving advice here, I have been wondering....I often go to the local swimming pool with my 7 year old son but am always a bit unsure about where he should get changed...should I let him go alone into the mens changing room where I don't know whats going on and possibly expose him to pedofiles etc or do I let him come with me to the ladies where he can see naked ladies in the showers and getting dressed and I could be reported to socialen...and well we saw/know now what happens when they get involved...
Therese Stensson is the prosecutor of the case.
Birgitta Fernlund is the prosecutor who handeld the videoclip case.
Maria Pärssinen is the police who was in charge of interviewing the daughter.
Jan Nilsson is the head of the family unit department in Sandviken kommun.
Hans Olov Frestadius is the head of individual care unit in Sandviken kommun.
The sisters of the mother is Jessica Liljenberg and Johanna Berg. Both living in Sandviken. I don`t know who actually made the phonecall and reported it.
Your problem , I suppose , is that you read and recite ; while I read and analyse.
Here is what I mean : although the article does not mention that the father told his wife -Jennie- that their daughter had touched him twice , the report is that Jennies sister called the authorities .
The case was dismissed for lack of suffucient evidence ; and so were the parents shocked etc etc .
But guess what the shocked mother does after the girls were returned to them : she films the girls tickling each other -naked !
Another accident ?
@Atolie Brilliant
you don`t exactly sound like your name ; whats up ?
The father was in bed . the six year old touched his penis 2 times . The man must have shared the touching incident with his wife , who also shared it with her sister .
Mr . Brilliant , please try to think .
Thank you !
Thanks Migga for more complete information.
There`s another investigation pending and underway.
Socialstyrelsen is a people's management bureau that has no legitimate purpose. "This is unfortunate" is all that most victims of Swedish government aggression ever get since the state is viewed as being an end in itself instead of an agent of the people.
It is said that Sweden is very secular. But it has its own brand of god: the state. You can kill a person and receive a lesser sentence than if you are found guilty of heresy, such as tax evasion.
I have lived here for many years, but only in the last several have come to realize how true this is, not to mention that -- like any deity -- the governmental or kommunal agencies, or kommunal companies, are essentially above the law. Yes, there have been kommunal korruption prosecutions, but in my opinion this is just the smallest tip of the iceberg that's been addressed.
If 'Occupy' catches on in Sweden, perhaps then things might change. The phrase 'Swedish myth' says a lot, and one of the worst things for me, personally, is not knowing if I believed in something that never was here, or if circumstances changed, turning what was into nothing more than a myth.