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Sweden was one of four European Union member states to scupper hopes of a 27-country agreement to help strengthen the euro, but nevertheless plans to participate in the creation of a European bailout fund.
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Sweden certainly doesn't need lessons in budgetary discpline from the French - Wouldn't that be like the pupil teaching the teacher?
The problem with the EU is not whether Frau Merkel or Daveyboy Cameron are smart or ignorant, good or evil, whatever. The problem is that the EU is a grandiose scheme that assumes there is a one-size-fits-all plan for different cultures, climates, locations, etc. that will guide the local economies to a good outcome. It should be noted that Marxism crashed and burned for largely the same reason of grandiose thinking.
When you build a ship, you install bulkheads so that even if the hull is damaged in one area, you can still seal off enough of the ship to save her. Well, national borders work the same way. And while like good ship design where careful planning dictates where and how many bulkheads there are, the location and purpose of borders can be endlessly tinkered with. But borders cannot be eliminated—to do so means a hole in Greece brings down the Euro and other calamities that should have been easily contained.
Just because the people who write for the Local hate the EU, does not men that anti-European fantasies in the minds of the writers in the local are facts.
It has just been announced today, that only the UK stands apart from this agreement, after other leaders in Czech Republic, Hungary and eventually Sweden, consulted there governments, before making a decision.
In Sweden's case most of the business leaders would have been screaming down the phone to Rheinfelt to go with Europe and drop the interests of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.
Looks like only the UK wants to be ruled by the markets and the other 26 want to be ruled by there governments.
While I often disagree with the quality of news articles printed on TL.
I cant see how the article was pro or negative to the EU.
I would go as so far to say it seemed fairly balanced, and if influenced by anything ... it would be Reinfeldts comments, since this is news relating directly to sweden and not the effects that would effect sweden and not a global outlook across the member states.
Actually the UK would like to be ruled by its own government and not by Europe.
The local has deliverately misled with this story. It is clear that they get there news from sources like RT and Fox, not Reuters and other reputable agencies who check there facts.
I turned on the news at 1.30 am and it was the UK only that was not signed up to the agreement. 26 members of the EU have accepted it. They had to wait for other leaders to consult with there governments, before they could fully sign up to it, whihc is normal practice.
@ Britinsweden,
The UK is ruled by the city of London financial district.
Because of Cameron's stupidity there will now he a transaction tax in the EU and the UK will have little to no say in how it is written up and implemented.
The division between the UK and the rest of the EU is now the widest it has ever been. It also look like getting a lot wider in the near future.
Nem, Clegg was just as involved in the decision made .... in fact dave called nick to discuss it in the middle of the night and it nick gave his backing to dave that the deal on the table was unacceptable.
I noticed that Clegg has been as stupid as Cameron. Both have ensured that the UK will have next to no say in future developments in the EU, as well as crippling the UK's influence on the world stage.
Instead of a transaction tax that is very light, this will lead to a transaction tax, that will cripple London.
I can see finance houses starting to leave London very soon.
That should make London more equal with the North of England in unemployment.
The present parliament is actually made up of bigger idiots than the previous bunch of idiots.
@ David P,
Wrong.
The truth is that nobody knows what is going to happen - everyone is staring into the abyss on this...!!
Why is it that the French have protectionism for farming & agriculture under CAP; the spanish for the fisheries and the German for manufacturing and when the UK makes a stand for finance - or anyone else for that matter - its rubbished...!
Good luck to all those nations who will have to have their budgets agreed by Brussels (or should I say Berlin) before they are agreed by their own parliaments... and woe-be-tide any nation to default.....!!!!
So would Greece. As soon as the word "referendum" was uttered, their democratically elected leader was kicked out by the Euro-thugs. Then they proceeded to depose the democratically elected leader of Italy.
And Sweden worries about a fringe sect like SverigeDemocraterna while the EU dictatorship is given a pass.
These areas were able to help restart the system.
The EU monetary system appears to be headed for the same kind of domino effect that causes the 'Northeast Blackout of 1965'. Sweden should get its dominoes out of the line.
I would certainly urge the Swedes and Danes to look to its Norwegian counterparts and to the UK (in this situation) unless of course you want to be part of a federal state led by the French and the Germans;
the former of course is also struggling along with its latin counterparts to get its own house in order...!!
Now the isolation of the UK from Europe begins.
www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,802728,00.html
and
www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,802703,00.html
With the UK sidelined, things should start to move a bit faster in Europe, without the UK ball and chain. Also stability will be easier to achieve without the UK trying to impose Goldman Sachs-JP Morgan-Barclays Friendmannite ideology onto everything.
Cameron can sit petuantly on the sidelines and watch as the UK is left behind and ignored by Europe.
Those of you calling for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union need to get something into your short sighted little minds.
Britain would not automatically join the European Economic Area (EEA), upon leaving the European Union, contrary to what some right wing commentators who get there funding from US corporations would have you believe.
The UK would have to negotiate over several years to join the EEA, during which what is left of the UK economy would completely disintegrate.
If the United Kingdom leaves the European Union, then that means that all legal contracts with other European countries are null and void. Most of the English people in Europe will be classed as illegal aliens without a right to work in Europe unless they apply in the process that workers from China and Africa have to go through to work in European countries. All UK citizens will need a visa to travel to another European country and to conduct business.
It's going to happen, it's just a matter of when.
Sweden, Czech Republic and Hungary have all said yes. Please stop spreading Fox News / Daily Mail misinformation.
Cameron has done serious damage to UK interests in Europe.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,802854,00.html
Croatia which today agreed to join the European Union next year has also said yes to the pact. Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Ukraine, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia and Albania have have also come out in support of the pact.
Only the UK says no.
Member countries
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom
All the rest you mention are prospective candidates and of course they are going to agree. They want to get their noses in the trough, so they are not going to upset Germany and France.
Picture is the same. Only one country voting no. The UK.
Good keep your zenophobia inside your own borders.
Also remember this.
One of the main sources of instability in the Eurozone, outside Wall Street trading is the City of London. Traders there have been creating massive instability in the Eurozone for years now.
UK leaves the Euro, there will be import duty to pay on all UK goods entering the European Union. The UK economy will be seriously damaged by loss of at least 40% of its export markets and reduced access to financial dealing as well as services.
Your UK will be economically crippled and take decades to recover.
Maybe then people like you will also stop looking for places to leave zenophobic comments outside your own country.
The Euro made sense when it was decided to introduce it. Unfortunately it has been badly managed and abused. The tighter restraints might serve to save the Euro although both France and Germany have flouted previous restraints that they themselves agreed to. Why would anyone trust any organisation with their money when that organisation has a short but questionable history?
The UK seems to be one of few countries willing to speak for themselves while others appear to be following the pied piper, quite possibly down the drain.
Smaller countries like Malta and those new countries joining might benefit hugely by the significant amounts of European funding they receive. But under the new charter if they do not do as they told they could be and will be heavily penalised, not by their own Government but by others within Europe.
Even though I am pro Europe even I can see when something isn't quite what it appears to be. When this is the case then don't we have the right and guts to challenge it as the English have, or do we just follow the pack?
The only viable solution for the Euro is to make more reserves available and print more money, but that can't be done.
Your comments are laughable!
If the UK were to leave the EU, the EU would still want to trade with them. Have you ever been to Britain?
The vast numbers of German, French, Swedish and Spanish cars on the road should tell you that the EU has trade surplus with the UK that they would very much like to keep, and not jepordise through trade tarrifs.
Where would the EU's budget be without the UK Euro 57 Billion net contribution?
As for the imposition of visas.....there millions of europeans who work and really enjoy the UK, many of which send large amounts of money to their families back home, Are you suggesting that the EU would benefit from the withdrawing of Britsh peoples right to work and travel?
If the British do not want to sign an agreement, in which they would have to have their budget approved by Brussels I think that is a matter for them. They asked for some reasonable exemptions and were flatly turned down.
The Euro has its problems in its construction and execution, as stated by one of the most influential men in the EU's creation, Jaques Delors....blaming these problems on the City of London or Cameron respecting the wish of his people is self delusion and leads the Euro no closer to solving its problems.
Bravo. You wrote what I was thinking.
I dont understand all the people defending the tax haven the City is, and justifying in the democracy the UK denial, when the truth is that they want to be left out for the fear of a possible Tobin tax.
There are a million ways to continue free trade without tariffs without the Euro and the loss of sovereignty it entails.
You sound absolutely ridiculous.
The idea I got,and get is that Sweden has told the EU to sort its own mess out with regards to the Euro,and If our `illustrious leader`,Mr Cameron had any sense,he would support the Swedes in that approach,rather than trying to tell the Euro lovers how to sort the mess out.
Yes it will effect every other member state,BUT its THEIR problem,THEY wanted the single currency,so let THEM sort it or sink it.
Personally if we had to have a single currency,I`d rather have the `Dollar`,its far more stable,been around damn sight longer,and is an internationally recognised currency.
Trade wise I can see a point to the EU,but come on.....all member states are or were `sovereign states` in their own right,so why not stay so.
I dont want to be a Eurocitizen, I want to remain `British` as do Swedes want to remain `Swedish`, but to keep the community as a trading partnership.
This will offend some,of which im sorry,BUT....between 1939 and 1945,another `i use the word very guardedly` gent tried to dominate all countries into a single state,and failed......so why the .......k are we allowing the idea to come up again.
And yes I would vote to keep the `Pound Sterling` given a chance.
Incidentally,I run a taxi business in UK,and I have a sign in my cab stating that I accept payment of fares by card,or by US dollars,Norwegian/ Swedish Krona or Swiss Francs. Lets hope the `wombles` we have in Westminster/Brussels dont make me have to change it.
Rhetoric and cheap nationalistic jibes are no substitute for the necessary courage to take real action.Most within the UK are pro-European but not for the dictates of a form of government which has been conceived on dangerous and unsustainable undemocratic foundations which takes ever increasing steps towards ultimate oblivian.
The UK has already committed many billions to support Euro countries incl. Ireland and will continue to do it's bit even though no-one stepped-in to assist the UK at the time of it's Exchange Mechanism collapse. Please don't condemn a Country for standing up for it's reasonable interests-you'll be next!.
By focussing in the UK, you dodge the issue at the heart of this. Brussels, along with Merkel & Sarkozy are concentrating power away from the elected representatives of the member states. I suspect that most countries have the same reservations about the loss of power that the UK does, but don't feel able to give voice to their concerns.
It matters not a jot however, as there is zero likelyhood that the treaty will make any difference anyway. When the Euro started there were agreements on national debt which have consistently been broken. Why do you think this treaty will be upheld with any more diligence than for instance the "Stability & Growth Pact" was?
Furthermore, what do empty promises actually do to address the near term debt crisis.
The Euro is fundamentally flawed. The nation states of Europe are different economic entities with vastly different characteristics. A single currency straightjacket cannot be made to work. The problem is that Merkozy have far too much political credibility at stake to see the inevitable truth.
You're right that the UK is a side-show in all of this. But the main event is actually a circus.
Mobbing at its ugliest and undemocratic. These mandarins are untouchable, when will we get to vote what happens?
Reinfeld, Cameron, Sarkozy, Merkel all decide our future like kings. If you think we live in democratic times, you are mistaken. We vote only once every five years, to allow the king to stay or go, and get replaced by another king.
Fake democracy is a sugar coated poison pill.
Makes you wonder why we fought WW2 when the likes of nemesis (yes- with no capital n) appear so willing to capitulate - not only to Merkel, but also to Sarky.
I feel sorry for nemesis, I really do. Chips on shoulders.
Haha. Great summary. ;)
For someone who makes such primitive spelling errors, you sure do like to call people 'stupid' and 'idiot' a lot. I take it you are not familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect.
For someone who makes repetitive generalizations about a whole populace, you sure were quick to respond to a polite reply with accusations of 'zenophobia' (the word is spelled xenophobia by the way).
For someone who calls a country a 'spoilt brat' (sic) for exercising its own democratic right, you sure do kick, scream and repeat at the slightest existence of an opposite opinion. How civil and tolerant of you (that was sarcasm in case it went wooshing over your head).
I do sincerely hope you can draw the chip on your shoulder and your erratic, illogical way of expressing yourself down to youth, ignorance or inexperience because if you are an adult who expresses themselves this way, or actually believe some of the stuff you have said then I do feel sorry for you. Whatever the case I think sometimes you need to just accept some people have differing opinions and move on with your life. Sometimes you will be right, sometimes you will be wrong. Currently your arrogance and simplistic breakdown of complex issues or arriving at false conclusions through well known logical fallacies is not doing you any favours because you sound like an absolute dingbat.
BritVik: Too right.
+1
Remarkable, isn't it?
Anyway in future; if euro survives, then the EU will survive, and not the reverse!
As a matter of fact, as far as a country doesn't use euro, it can not quite be considered in EU zone; unless a country with high political, economic and cultural position to compensate the lack of membership in euro zone. UK has that kind of high political, economic and cultural position but not Sweden!
Nicely put! Have a pint on me, Kevin!
@al3ph #47
nicely said ;)
The True Believer known as Nemesis is a she and from the U.K.
Maybe she is also one of the many thousands of translators being paid (by us) to put the millions of EU edicts, rules, regulations and laws into the incomprehensible Engleurish language.
One thing is for sure, the Greeks will default, the Italians will get fed up with the strick austerity measures and want out. The Euro in its current form will disappear. The only way forward is to let the PIIGS make an orderly default and return to their own currencies and be allowed to set their own budgets and interest rates.
Why rush to jump on board a sinking ship?
End this vilification of those who make decisions, circumstances will change in an instant and those decisions will be worthless.
Flexibility remains the key to success, and with even one member of the union showing independence that flexibility remains.
And wise up, those of you who think politicians rule the globe. Politicians only do what business demands.
Well said.
The French and Germans are framing the British as kill-joys who want to stop Europe fixing itself. But this is infantile rubbish. We voted to keep the EU as a free trade group, and any treaty to govern fiscal union must now be outside the EU offices. It's fair, it's right and it's reality. So be happy that you can now fix your broken currency and your broken banks. We will help you. Even when you scream and cry like babies.
The City isn't exactly a tax haven is it? It's not a country, it has the same tax as anywhere else. I think though that Britain will become a massive center for financial services. Not for criminals or war crimes people (cough Switzerland), but for honest hard-working people who want somewhere safe to keep their foreign earnings. There is nothing wrong with that. And there's good money to be made changing money between currencies. It's all good business. I think as the single currency becomes an empire (like the Empire in star wars), there will be lots of room for rebels like Britain, who can be flexible and strong. Europe doesn't need all these weak countries. We need strong countries. Join the Rebel Alliance! Together we will destroy the death star and free the people of earth.
Sweden net population 9.1 Million, money in and out of EU - deficit 11 Billion
Belgium net population 10.5 Million money in and out of EU - benefit 6.4 Billion.
"......You European lot are on the Titanic heading for the economic and financial iceberg suicide, whilst at least we, the UK, on sat comfortably in a lifeboat, watching you run around on the decks, trying to sort yourselves out....."
Typical UKIP....but one I oddly agree with at this present time.
History will reveal who is right in all of this of course.........
I cant help thinking that once again the UK, might be right in all of this, and if it means that we and Cameron, as it has been suggested are being bullied and shouted at, so other smaller nations can have time to think about their paths, then so be it.
We Brits don't want any limp-wristed pussies in Brussels making our rules for us. It's only a matter of time before the Euro collapses once and for all. I'll give it until September (and that's if they're lucky).
2012 will be an interesting year. I'm going to get comfortable in my seat and watch the Titanic go down. The ship is undoubtably going to sink, with Captains Knickerless Sarkastic and Angular Smirkell standing on the top deck looking like a pair of fools.