Published: 31 Dec 11 11:35 CET | Print version
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Prosecutors have decided to appeal the acquittal of a 32-year-old elk hunter who accidentally killed a cross-country skier in December of 2010.
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It should be glaringly obvious to any sane person over the age of four that anybody who discharges a firearm is responsible for the consequences. If you shoot somebody dead by mistake, then you are guilty of involuntary manslaughter, at the very least. You can't just say "sorry, I didn't mean to" and walk away.
The three nämdemän who voted for acquittal must be complete nitwits and should be relieved of their duties.
thats negligence.
If you're going round bumping off the animal life with a lethal weapon I'd have thought the onus is on you to exercise responsibility and judgment at all times
Given the lack of any malice on the woman's part, This appeal now appears to be far more about the prosecutor's ego and vanity than anything else. This case is now moving into harassment territory.
Involuntary manslaughter already implies that there was no malice on her part.
Legal convictions in Sweden are often accompanied by a (pathetically small) financial settlement which would help the family of the victim, even though it will never replace their loss.
Shell did not intend for their deep sea drilling platform to explode last year, but that does not absolve them of responsibility for the consequences of that explosion.
So I'll ask again, Just what is it that you hope to achieve with this double jeopardy prosecution?
As a cross country skiier, I want all hunters to be as aware as possible of their surroundings before they pull the trigger. A big case that is trivially dismissed by 'I'm sorry, it was an accident', does not make Sweden a safer place to for all of us to enjoy the outdoors in the future.
If the skiier had been hidden behind a dense wall of foliage then the hunter would probably never even have found the victim, so it would appear that the hunter had a reasonable chance to see the vicitm as he approached, so there appears to be valid grounds for a charge of negligence, which would be consistent with the prosecutor's decision to appeal, and with the split decision by the judges in this first ruling.
Obviously the hunter has been unlucky here, but the skiier could have lived another 20 years, so his death is far more tragic than the hunter's situation (which will only amount to a few months in jail and a fine, at worst, if an involuntary manslaughter charge holds up on appeal).
There are no winners in this case. Like you, I don't want to get shot when I'm out cross country skiing either, but I see no value in pursuing a vendetta.
Then you will all go to jail for murder by your own logic.
Or if you take your kids skiing and they die in an accident, you are charged with negligence causing death.
ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.
It is the responsibility of the state to implement and uphold laws that act to improve the safety of her citizens, and when possible to provide at least minor compensation to the family of the victims. This does not imply a vendetta on the part of the state, or the prosecutor, or myself. No one accused the government of a vendetta against Shell for seeking compensation for the damages they caused along the Gulf coast.
My father was a hunter and I am not against hunting, but I am against criminal negligence, if that is what occured here.
The next step is what would be an appropriate sentence, which depends on details not available to me. However, if the area of the incident is a place frequented by sporting public, she should not have been hunting there in the first place.
I would argue that the owner of a legal firearm has an analogous strict liability. Firearms are designed to kill and injure, that's their sole purpose. It follows that anybody who fires such a lethal weapon should take every precaution to avoid harming others.
Furthermore, this was not a victimless crime, somebody was killed. The berieved have a right to have the matter thoroughly investigated, the perpetrator prosecuted and to be financially compensated. Compensation is meagre enough as it is in Sweden, at least where causing injury or death is involved.
As this is not present here you (plural) are simply making fools of yourselves.
What was the calculable trajectory? The deflection? The ballistic circumstances? The line of sight? The light and weather conditions?
Prosecutors are not known for their intelligence, but please debate facts as opposed to your convenient assumptions.
And drunk driving argument is so lame. You are not allowed to drive while you are drunk but you are allowed to hunt in a hunting zone. I myself am very much against the very idea of hunting because its for fun nowadays rather than a necessity and the game is highly unbalanced from the beginning in the favour of the hunter.
Good point! You might also add to that list: the lay of the land, the path, dress and manner of approach of the skier, the forage and cover in the background, the optics of the scope, the frequency of public use of the land in the background, and finally a point that no one seems to have raised. The skiers approach was so stealthy, he got within 60 meters of an elk, without even the elk noticing, elks are usually pretty good at spotting that sort of thing. How did that happen?
Her actions are practically a textbook example of criminal negligence.
what law says that regular people are not allowed to be in a hunting area?
none!
i'm not a big fan of being in the nature when the idiotic act of senseless and unnecessary hunting is happening nor should i be afraid that a hunter is being reckless.
you fire a gun, your responsible and of course its an accident BUT the hunter is still responsible.
Many posters here seem to believe rules and good practice of hunting with guns, are the same as the Swedish criminal law. They are not, and should not be confused with one another.
Here you have a set of completely un calculable factors, causing a seriously unlucky outcome, its tragic all round.
Drunk driving is just another example of criminal negligence that can cause death. Just as we all 'know' that we should not do it, and that it is illegal, every hunter should 'know' that they have a responsibility to be extremely cautious before pulling the trigger, and that if insufficent caution on their part results in a death, that they must accept the consequence that someone could die, and that they could be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. One example occurs when the perpetrator is drunk, and in the hunting case the perpetrator was sober, but criminal negligence is still criminal negligence.
An even more strict definition of responsibility is suggested by Johan Rebel in post 14. These and a few other posts would almost imply that the hunter is responsible, regardless of the degree to which the victim was visible, or within the approximate projectile trajectory, which is an interesting legal perspective, but one that is bit more difficult for me to support personally.
What is missing here is a detailed set of photographs, trajectory analysis, weather conditions, local density of foliage, the presence of ski trail (if any), choice of projectile type, etc... so that we could debate the fine line between accident and criminal negligence.
So no one should ever walk in a forest during hunting season? What about other hunters? Do they deserve to be shot and killed because they are stupid enough (by your definition of stupid) to be in a hunting zone?
Apparently you do not understand the concept of criminal negligence.
The real debate here is whether or not this was an accident or negligence on the part of the hunter, and we do not have enough photos etc.. to judge that. No sane person is blaming the skiier, and no one should.
I don't know all the details, but firstly you would ask if the hunter could see the skier? If not, then how dense was the forest behind the elk, and especially where the bullet exit hole was in relation to it's entry point? Did the bullet change direction out if the Elk? Did the bullet skim a tree? Where were the other hunters in the party? What was the terrain?
I think the comment in the news piece "just 60 meters" is miss leading, as 60 meters is actually quite far in a dense forest? Anyhow, agree with the top, it's either an accident or negligence case.
Agreed. There are many circumstances that affect the
I do not know, nor can I know, all the pertinent circumstances of this sad and deplorable incident.
I will say that:
o The shooter must be sure of where his shot will go if he
misses, or in this case, the bullet penetrates the target,
o It is possible the shooter did not see the skier,depending on skier speed and topography of the area, even if a safety check of the area was made before firing.
I must wonder if it would not be possible to restrict and assign different areas to purposes of hunting and skiing. we have here some rather powerful anecdotal evidence that the two sports do not mix well.
@ Kung . . .Guy
Hunters know that they will be in the forest in front of the muzzles of loaded guns in the hands of strangers. They accept that danger as a part of that sport. Walking in front of the firing line on a target range under similar circumstances is an unthinkable violation of safety rules and common sense. I will not accept the danger a hunter must accept. That is why I am a "paper puncher" and not a hunter. I also stay out of the forest in deer season, and let the hunters use it freely and safely for enjoyment of their sport.