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The government plans to launch an inquiry to study Swedish citizenship in hopes of finding ways to boost its value and use it as a tool for integration.
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Oh dear! It all goes wrong from the very begining hasn't it?
Why has it gone wrong from beginning? How is this different from immigration policies of other countries as US/Canada/Australia?
Its about time Sweden has a proper view on how they want immigrants to assimilate. So far they have accepted whoever wanted to be here and accepted any kind of behaviour once they are here.
Just before you start with your negative comments, I am not a Swede.
For instance, in other news, coincidentally of the same day:
http://www.thelocal.se/38518/20120116/
Swedish citizenship and the coveted passport are being used by the scum of the earth as a carte blanche to free passage. The orchestration is perfect. Immigrate to Sweden, not Italy mind you, not Poland but the land of honey, Sweden. stay here for 5 years, courtesy of the blonde taxpayer. Get housing, benefits, handouts, the lot. Obtain Swedish citizenship and then the world is your oyster. So much is the world your oyster that you can opt to go back on holiday back to the country that was allegedly persecuting you. Ask the 'Swedes' who were rescued in 2006 in the middle of their charter holidays from ' Lebanon'
So yes, Mr. Afghani bricklayer the minister might want you to be part of Sweden, find work quickly, and learn Swedish but that is not exactly what you want now, is it?
No, we want to be treated as humans
That's because nobody asked the swedes if they wanted all these un-educated and burden to society immigrants in the first place.
"The minister references Canada, the United States, and Australia as successful countries built on immigration where citizenship is equated with "unity, diversity, and participation" and where citizenship is bestowed via a formal ceremony."
That's because they have a points system to get in - and they don't let criminals in and deport anyone who commits crimes.
Aha. Meaning? Have it your way, all the way? How does that exactly work?
Where is the shortfall at the moment? Not enough housekeeping?
And if someone wants to take the citizenship of another country, the burden should lie on them to prove themselves worthy and useful, not the other way around. Sweden already has a much more friendly immigration policy than those countries they admire in this article.
There's a huge difference between the Swedish immigration policy and those countries built based on immigration, they encourage immigration based on how much a person can contribute, immigrants are judged by education and skills. Here we import refugees and try to picture them as capable work force---very unrealistic and dishonest.
You misunderstood. I actually said what you meant. There should be clear idea about how Sweden wants to assimilate immigrants. So far they had no control. Becoming stricter will result in lot of whining...but good for long term.
This will make people want to adopt the Swedish nationality very badly. The most countries you can get on that list where we don't have to apply for visas and that allow for free bilateral entry for Swedish citizens would make it even more attractive.
Should I believe these results OR should I just take it as an April Fool's Day joke??
Integration means more than learning a language and getting job. You have culture, traditions and values. No point in having a diverse country if you do not have a common set of values. That will just generate problems which will affect getting a job as well.
Begin with culture, values, etc. then work towards language and getting a job.
There is nothing against culture and values. What you are suggesting is to start with vague stuff first. You can not teach someone cultures, traditions and values. You can only display them and each individual has to accept and adapt.
Also do not confuse "what to do" with "how to do". It takes years and a lot more than knowledge of language to get an understanding of local culture and traditions.
Knowing language is a tangible criteria that will atleast ensure bi-directional communication.
Perhaps knowledge of history should be a requirement as well...but I can imagine the reaction to such requirement amongst foreigners in Sweden. Whilst it is an accepted requirement in some other countries immigration policies.
The day after someone becomes a swedish citizen he or she should pledge allegiance to the king and be sent to the nearest army base and serve for one year with a sallary of 38kr/day.
I don't really understand what is this article about. Is it directed at EU people who keep their original citizenship because they do not see an additional benefit of turning to a Swede... Or is it aimed at people who are coming from outside the EU?
Because most of the things mentioned are already there: SFI is giving cultural "directions" as well: regular museum visits, cafe nights, how-to write your CV lectures from AMS, etc. Also if a non-EC person wants to study at a högskola/university, s/he needs to pass samhällskunskap as well. I mean, what else they believe is missing that the government does not offer?
What I see as problematic is this ghetto-ification: unless you are insanely rich you will have to live where your fellow nationality people do, probably do the jobs they do, and that is quite difficult to change. Starting with faking your name for job interviews... for example... But it may have changed in the recent years, it was worse when the economic crisis hit.
Exactly! You can't go to another country and expect them to accommodate to you.
@ DavidT
The people of Sweden never got their fair say, rather the government and pushing this propaganda where immigrants from the Middle East are totally great and amazing. Look at Malmo, and see how true that is. The country where I live, Canada, contrary to popular belief, doesn't just allow in anyone. They will actually deny people who aren't at least in college-level education. This sort of immigration is required for Sweden, not just allowing in any man in Afghanistan, if that is not how it works, please tell me now. That is the perception I have after hearing about Malmo.
Muslims are the biggest victem of Islam, but nobody has the balls the tell them.
Iranian Atheist
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/.
Thanks.rds
If you really want to know other people, travel to their countries,be guest of them, host them to your home, seat and have a coffee with them and talk with them face to face! Just let each other to be something and talk freely regardless of skin colors and how you look like! Believe me! It's not that hard! Get yourself a try! One day when you are in metro or in the bus or train, seat near them and ask them what they think about you and what you really think about them! Many misunderstandings are the results of not giving each other a chance to be heard! Wash your eyes, Look differently once!
Sadly a lot of damage has been done by a minority but also a minority is manipulating Swedish laws and culture into something Islamophobic.
The whole point is that asylum seekers came to Sweden because it was a generous, prosperous and very safe country to live in.
Malmo is just an example of how extemist minorities can terrorise and cause ethinc cleansing right in front of our very own eyes.
These are facts but it would seem it is not very Swedish to talk about such worrying realities.
The goal is immigrant to accept his/her position as a second class citizen and live with the fact. The parallel life of immigrant and Swedes are true and very real, and very much touchable
The general meaning of becoming Swedish citizen as an immigrant is to be marginalized.
Someone mentions immigrants who are arrested are deported from the US, but that really isn't true. I live in Chicago, which is a city where police aren't allowed to check immigration status (course we either lead or are close to #1 in violent crimes such as homicides year after year - one year one of the political campaign slogans was more people are killed in Chicago each year than in Iraq).
Sweden will never learn. Giving more stuff to immigrants will not help them become better citizens. Stuff in this case, is more classes and instruction in socialization. People integrate into a society because they have a strong desire to integrate and strive to socialize and integrate themselves.
Immigrants need to understand from the outset that they are in a new country and will have to work very hard otherwise they will be living a very difficult, stressful and uncomfortable life. If immigrants do not arrive with a strong sense of motivation to achieve, it is not something they are going to pick up through osmosis. And they will do their level best to pass on their own culture to their children. That's just human nature.
I have only one word to describe the video, "waow". it was a very powerful video on racism.if Sweden is really serious about integration, there should be some form of soul search among the Swedish people on how immigrants are really viewed in this country.
Sweden has allowed far too many immigrants / refugees in. This is a small country that doesn't have enough jobs for the natives and doesn't have enough money for any government systems to really work well. On top of that, a vast majority of Swedes don't want a mass of immigrants here in the first place and many are xenophobic or even downright racist.
The few in charge of immigration are either screwing their fellow countrymen on purpose, for a profit or to look good internationally; or naively assume that anyone allowed into Sweden will be awestruck with how wonderful and advanced Sweden is and will automatically want to be Swedish in terms of culture, law and custom. Either way, it's not good.
There are some that travel across the entire EU specifically for the benefits Sweden offers to "asylum seekers" and have no desire to integrate. Even those that want to assimilate often can't.
You rarely see Swedes and immigrants hanging out, the exception may be if someone is a "love refugee". It's next to impossible to get a professional job here even if you're highly educated with tons of experience; you're expected to take some crap cleaning job and be grateful. Also, the quiet, reserved manner of most Swedes makes it really hard to meet new people / friends.
A lot of immigrants eventually give up trying and resign themselves to a life of social welfare and second-class citizenship, so they move into an area filled with other immigrants and continue life segregated from the main part of society.
Many Swedes then see them as not wanting to integrate and as a drain on society and the negative cycle continues. It's a no win situation.
Thanks for watching, dizzy09. It is the best anti -discrimination film I have ever seen. I would request all- Swedes, immigrants -to see this film. On the other hand, I know that you cannot convince a racist with any argument.
Another thing "stop showing JUHOLTs face on TV with that depressing face!
First at all, You will learn about ABBA, Bergman, etc, when you´re studying SAS.
Second: Integration MInister: do learn Swedish requires a long time but everything is possible.The big problem of Sweden is not the language that the immigrants don´t learn. Unemployment despair everyone. Regardless of whether it is or not Swede.
Third point: Swedish society wasn´t asked if wanted too many immigrants. At the moment, Sweden doesn´t have money and much than that: JOB. A society without employment is the beginnings of increased violence. The Sweden lives, now, the beginnings of social chaos but the imigration department, each day , opens the door to immigrants and refugees. Is hypocrisy what Swedish politicians speak. Very soon, the Swedish Education department won´t have money to invest in anything.
Businessmen's money won't be needed in new world politics when electronic voting system will make governence matters miraculously easy.
By SOPA, PIPA etc. we're trying to make possible something impossible!
Instead of wasting money and energy, we -the wise ones have to find eventually some new ways that will include in addition to voting system, an unique universal entertainment system when each user will be charged by the usage of bites at a globally applicable flat rate. It's now becoming undivided one world.
It doesn't matter if some random politician sees what this does to the economy and physical safety of their people. It doesn't matter if the majority of Sweden's population comes to oppose immigration from the Middle-East and Africa out of emergency self-defense. It won't happen because fundamentally they don't disagree with anything the diversity worshiping elite has to say.
A little panicked pragmatism about what their eyes force them to see isn't enough, until and unless they challenge their basic premises about the purpose of society and government.