May 27, 2012
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The number of foreign students applying to masters programmes at Swedish universities is on the rise, according to preliminary figures, following last year's precipitous drop in foreign applicants.
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There is also no mention of what programs are chosen by international students. Meaning they could all graduate as theoretical artists with no chance of getting a payed job whatsoever.
I am a social person but Sweden makes no sense to me, why not educate Swedish people with Swedish taxes?
Reason for free education for foreigners is = relevance. Sweden is trying to tell the world there is a country named Sweden, spreading culture and at the same time spread the fame of the Swedish universities in the world.
Noone would give a sh.t to Swedish only university. Look at Catholic schools, who gives a sh.t about them?
So it's all about being relevant in the world, so people can know Sweden more than just blonde girls.
Idea: Sweden could be more relevant by paying a holiday in Sweden to everybody who wants to come!
There is only 1 problem: Who pays the bill?
Same thing with the unis. They ain't cheap.
In university world, relevance and fame means everything.
If Sweden only have Swedish students, noone will buy any publication/book/article Swedish Universities produce or show interest, in other words noone will give a sh.t about Swedish universities. If you want to be respected and recognized globally, you have to spread your culture and fame. It's best done via exchange programs, joint research and core of university: students.
Don't compare Sweden with USA, UK, Australia, Ireland or New Zeland. English is the world language now, people will choose these over any other country. You also have higher chance of finding job after studies in English based countries.
There is absolutely nothing attractive about Sweden compared to these, free education was the only attraction. Yes you save costs from universities, and spend where? afganishtan, somali and food for swedish prisons. Or maybe your terrible hospitals and joke health system?
1. Courses and Programmes will be shut down for not having enough students.
2. Professors will be fired for the same reason.
3. The government will cut the educational budget even more.
4. Swedish educational system becomes an entropic system.
My university is ranked 6th in the journal of school of software engineering in the world, I hope it becomes number one!
Do you think that this amount is cheap? Or does it promote the "equal" opportunities for education? If I had to pay I would definitely have chosen an adequate degree in UK or in Germany that would cost much less!
So if that is with a scholarship, when it was still for free, what do you think it would have happened if I had just tought on applying now? I just couldn't even dream about it, because i am too poor even for the application fee, not even think on the tuition fee. And there are plenty of students, in Colombia and other developing countries, who have a lot of talents that are wasted basically due to poverty.
And I am not saying that we all should come to Sweden and leech the tax payers, I am the first one that would love to have a job and do my share. But that is also a problem, if you don't speak swedish you cannot get a job according to your career.
So, I think that if Sweden wants to improve their student population and the chances on beneffiting from it, then they should let the education be for free (or for a not so incredibly expensive fee), and work more on the teaching of swedish to the foreign students. Also, students should be allowed to stay for some time to find a job in Sweden. In that way, getting a job would be a little bit more easy, and all the money that is invested on the education will be recovered when the qualified students go and work for swedish companies.
Yes, i know it is not so easy, but just my 2 cents.
First of all, 31,223 applicants this year compared to 25,094 in 2011 is a growth. However, if you take a look at 2010 with 91,788 applicants, conclusion is obvious. For sure tuition fee has a great impact on the amount of students, but why education should be free? Scholarship is a good solution. Students with good grades from previous education still have a chance to get education for free.
Second thing, is a Swedish language. Master students have almost 2 years to learn Swedish. It is not the Russian language, where you have all entire alphabet in Cyrillic. I do not understand how people can get a job without the language. How they will integrate into the Swedish society without the language?
I think that, if you are moving somewhere you have to learn a local language and follow rules and ways of living of that country.
I don't see that as morally justifiable for a developed country.
While prices are high for non EU people(~10k+ eur a year from what I've seen) it's not as crazy as UK/USA yet.
I came here to leech of the taxpayers for my masters programme last year.
Incidentally, I have brought with me (from outside of Sweden) hundreds of thousands of crowns to fund my living expenses.
Even if we don't pay fees, international students are a huge export for Sweden. As most of us can't really work here, we are all injecting a huge amount of cash into the Swedish economy, as well as creating jobs for teachers and a multitude of other service providers.
Don't be so short sighted!
1. People have to learn Swedish from scratch, while many foreigners learn English since childhood in their countries.
2. With English, one can work in USA (with 300 million population), Canada, UK, NZ, Australia, South Africa,.. With Swedish one can work in Sweden (or maybe Norway and Denmark) with very few job offers for non-Swedes....again a bad investment... Many people are better off if they stay in their own country or go and study medicine or dentistry in Turkey, Philippine, or some other cheap country and don't bring their parents money to the cold Sweden.
I think Sweden is in its own right to charge the fees, but you see the difference between students from my year and students from the year before: diversity. I know a lot of people who enter in my programme on 2010 and the diversity of nationalities and knowledge is awesome. I think this is an aggregated value to education and research. On the other hand, on 2010, 40 students were accepted into my programme. On 2011, just 20 because there were not enough good applications to fill the empty seats.
I think the Swedish government should find a balance. Fees are too expensive and Sweden is not attractive enough. There should be also more scholarships for students coming from low-income countries.
Even if you know the language, don't expect to be hired. Hiring in Sweden is done on connections mostly and you have a chance only in the areas with an extreme lack of applicants.
You are so right. Language is just a minor part of the problem. The main problem is your background. Here is the sequence of getting jobs in Sweden
1) Ethnic Swedes (as Reinfeldt also confirmed)
2) Swedes of foreign background
3) Swedes of foreign background with darker skin shades
4) Europeans
5) Americans
6) Others
The easiest way of getting hired is if you are in IT especially if you are experienced hten it does not really matter where you are from.
And for people always complaining of students leeching with free education. I really do not understand why you complain so much. The free education does not increase your tax, it doies not stoop you from getting social amenities like electricity, water, good transportation, etc. You are just being selfish, that is ow I see it. And the irony of it is that many people aking these comments are foreigners who have at one time enjoyed the taxpayers money without contributing anything then, e.g. learning sfi, SAS, taking yrkes utbildning. etc.
Do you also know that non-EU students spend money on living in Sweden? Ypu buy food, clothes, take the bus, rent apartments, etc thereby creating income for house owners, creating jobs for janitors, creating income for food chains and people that work there. Foreign students also make it possible for teachers to get jobs at the universities, improving th profile of schools by the number of courses offered, the number of teacher and students they have.
I can talk more and more on this but...