While Swedes may have a reputation of being somewhat shy and reserved, that doesn't mean it's impossible to become friends with your Swedish neighbours, writes US-native and parent Rebecca Ahlfeldt.
A few years ago, the show
Hipp Hipp ran an episode called “Bli Svensk.” It featured a mock class for immigrants on how to act like a Swede, how to fit into Swedish society.
Here’s one of the many etiquette rules the teacher shows her class: she looks out the peep hole before stepping out of her apartment.
When she sees a neighbour going into her apartment at the same time, she instructs the class to wait until she is gone, “because we don’t want to risk meeting up with someone unnecessarily, right?”
Then, when the hallway is clear, they tip-toe out.
I think comedian Fredrik Lindström has also done segments on this theme. He peeks out the peep hole, waits until the hall is clear, double-checks with the door still chained and then sneaks out.
When, despite precautions, he does meet with a neighbour in the elevator, they don’t talk.
Whether it’s true or not, the stereotype is that Swedes avoid chatting with their neighbours.
And, at first, the stereotype felt true.
Before moving to our current house, we stayed in a small coast-side development of about 15 homes. The homeowners lived close together and governed the neighbourhood organization together, which made decisions about the shared waterfront and beaches.
But here’s what surprised me: the homeowner we stayed with didn’t know the names of most of the other neighbours.
He went to the yearly community meetings, participated in mandatory clean-ups and helped plan for the docks to be put in, but the relationship stopped there.
Even at the community’s little beach, he, like everyone else, carefully kept to himself.
Here are some of the explanations I got for this phenomenon: “We don’t want to invade anyone’s privacy,” and “It’s hard (
jobbigt) to keep making small talk.”
A particularly gregarious mother offered the following explanation: “If you’re friends with a neighbour, they learn about your private life. But what happens if you have a falling out? Then you have to see them every day, and they still know everything about you. And they’ll talk.”
Interesting.
Of course, a few conversations can’t capture the mindset of an entire nation. I’m sure many other Swedes would adamantly disagree with these rationales, and many Swedes have strong neighbourhood communities.
Still, these sentiments gave me a starting point for understanding what might underlie what I had seen as a lack of
community within this community.
As an American, my cultural habits lean in the other direction: I’ll talk to anyone.
From what I’ve heard, we’re generally known to be open, talkative, loud and curious. While I obviously can’t speak for each of the 300 million Americans, for the most part, we suburban families are known to chat with our neighbours.
On one hand, I like the idea of a home as an oasis from the demands of the outside world (although I have to note that, with two young kids, it’s not always the outside world that is the most demanding). I also understand the desire for privacy—there are certainly moments in our family life not made for public viewing.
On the other hand, working part-time from home and spending the rest of the time with the kids, the neighbourhood community is important to me. Without a community around me, I start to feel disconnected to the world.
But I have another reason, beyond simple companionship, to nurture neighbourly relationships: I never know when I—or they—will need support from the community.
Like when one of the four-year-old twins that lived next-door to us in California was rushed to the hospital, convulsing from a febrile seizure. Her single-parent mother could turn us, the neighbours, for the immediate care and comfort of the other twin as she left on the ambulance.
As two adults, my husband and I could probably find our way through most crises, but with two kids in tow, things get more complicated. I’d like our family to have a Plan B, one that our kids are comfortable with. I want to know that someone else is helping us watch out for our kids.
With all these things in mind, I set out to meet our new Stockholm neighbours.
At first, I thought it was going well. After sending our kids out on reconnaissance missions, we approached the neighbours. The response was great: everyone seemed friendly and interested. There were mentions of fikas. After each encounter, I thought to myself,
another friendly family. What were you worried about?
Except that the fikas never happened. After that first, animated conversation, all further communication consisted of one word, “Hej!” with a quick smile. No stopping to chat about the weather or upcoming holiday plans or the recent string of burglaries in our neighbourhood as they walked by.
Nothing.
Was it me—did I come on too strong? Was there a more Swedish way I was supposed to be doing this?
Or was it true that Swedes just don’t regularly stop and chat with their neighbours?
But there
was one family that seemed to be interested in getting to know us simply because we were their neighbours. But they could hardly avoid us—their house is attached to ours.
It started with the two girls in the family. Our kids would call over the fence and invite them to jump on our trampoline. Then they invited over for a few spontaneous coffees to enjoy the daughter’s freshly made apple cobblers.
Their kids tagged along with us on errands. They knocked on our door to play
without calling first.
We then moved on to the next step in our budding relationship: we became their Plan B. I know this because when their nine-year-old was mistakenly sent home from school long before her parents got home
in below-freezing weather, she came over. And when the mother was out of town and couldn’t get in touch with her husband, she called me to ask if I had seen him, if I could peek in their window for clues.
But it wasn’t until a few weeks ago that it really struck me that we have
neighbours, the kind I was hoping for. On the last day of school before the Christmas holiday break, the mother next door called me to see when I thought school started for first graders that day.
It was 7.24am and she was not afraid to disturb us. Thank God.
I’m so glad that our family has found neighbours here. Living in country where the culture sometime feels so different from my own, a neighbourhood really helps me feel at home in my new home.
Although it’s the middle of the winter, low season for socializing here in Sweden, I’m ready for my first resolution: get to know one more neighbour this year. I’m taking it slowly, the Swedish way.
Hopefully some day, I can build a whole community.
Rebecca Ahlfeldt is an American ex-pat writer, translator and editor currently based in Stockholm.
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As a Hispanic American I first move to a middle class condo, & it took a while for neighbors to even talk with me. The lady next door looks afraid of me( they prob. think I'm a Mexican drug dealer??). It took a while and once they open up, they're OK. It tool over a year.
Now I live in a higher class neighborhood, and got mix results. The next door neighbor are friendly and wave, but that's all. The other don't even talk. The couple 4 houses donwen are very friendly and so is the young couple 3 houses away.
How is that different from any other society? Back before I moved to Sweden in my native country I lived on the same street for more than 25 years. I didn't know the names of anyone more than two houses away .... and there were 200 houses within a 5 minute stroll of my front door; 150 of them on the same street.
This isn't a Swedish-only trait it is more wide spread than you think.
I had a guy start talking to my wife and I on the bus from Tungelsta. I was really weirded out, despite my being an american.
Turns out he was from Norway, so that explained it.
On the other hand, i DO wish the Swedes could open up a little bit more! Would nice to have some sort of balance.
Making friends in sweden is no different to anywhere else in the world, you don't need special games with the kids, unless this was just made up to pad the article out. You talk to people. Because people are more mobile now, many neighbourhoods are not one big happy clique, because neighbours are fluid, coming and going. That's just the way of the world.
If USA was so perfect(if believe all the contributors here) with all these people who are your instant friends, better shops, better communicators, better xmas etc. why do they bother coming to Sweden?
Here's a good way to meet your neighbours: do something (however minor) that breaks some rule or other, like put your bin out a day early, or run your car engine for a few minutes to warm it up, or let your dog out for a pee at night. They'll be round knocking on your door in no time, or cheerily yelling at you across the street, to let you know what they think!
While I have not met every American the representative sample that I have appear to want, nay demand, friendship from the firs second they invade my personal space. So a Swede's or for that fact an Englishman's initial reserve flummoxes them. They don't know what to do in response. They perceive it as shyness and real reserve; whereas it's really a case of "who do you think you are!"
However, their notion of neighbourliness is in turn highly superficial, as AmusedMuses commented above. Now I haven't met every Swede either but once acquainted over a period of time the relationship deepens into friendship. In comparison the American version remains superficial.
Opinionfool, I tend to go with your thoughts, it's all about them. I've just moved to Sweden from the USA and nobody wants to talk to me, I can't a job because I don't speak the lingo, my neighbour avoids me and I'm paranoid, or at least that's I tell my analyst.. and on it goes. I have met some very nice genuine folk from the USA, but they have general already shared a common interest with me, so are more likely to be thinking along the same lines. But it hardly justifies me writing articles about it.
Nobody wants to talk to you? It's because your a immigrant. You don't have to be from North Africa or East Europe. In Sweden you are a immigrant and they love giving immigrants a hard time and look down on them. But then they look down on their neighbor if he has a nicer car, or bigger breast implants.
Yes they always talk about the USA invading some country somewhere. But whenever there is a disaster or crisis somewhere the first phone call is to the USA wanting help. Even Sweden called the USA wanting help to get those Swedish reporters out of jail.
I have the advantage that I learned to speak and understand Swedish *before* emigrating. Plus I knew people here (from working with them earlier, hence my learning the language and culture in the first place) before moving so I started from a better position.
@hybred
Didn't Haiti specifically request the US *not* to help them when they had that earthquake the other year? Some countries even those covered by the Monroe doctrine prefer assistance to come from elsewhere. As to Sweden asking for help wasn't it calling in an owed favor because they had helped the US out in an earlier similar situation.
I remember the president of Haiti complaining that aid fron the earthquake wasn't getting there fast enough. Which came from all over the world, not just USA. I don't remember his request that USA not help. But thats not to say it didn't happen. But in the end he didn't refuse it.
Sweden on the USA have been swapping favors for years. It may have very well been a called in favor. It's kind of surprising that it hasn't worked yet, considering all the financial aid the USA sends to Ethiopia. What are they paying for anyway.
" ... considering all the financial aid the USA sends to Ethiopia. What are they paying for anyway."
You're choice of words is apposite, viz "...paying for...", and there in lies another major difference between Sweden and the US. Sweden gives aid to help the poorer nations. US gives money so those poorer nations can buy goods from the US. Aid money is ring-fenced so that only US products can be purchased. Every US$ given in aid is intended to go back to the US to increase the US economy. It is not given as real aid. (Although to be "fair" the US isn't the only nation who gives aid in this way; England does it too.)
Kitale, truly autistic, self centred and just want to hear themselves? you are describing the average USA resident aren't you? They please themselves, what nationality doesn't? Why shouldn't they do what they want to do? because some socially insecure immigrant from the USA needs fluffing up a bit?
It's unfortunate that the rest of the article was posed as a cultural divide. Folks in the USA express community in different ways too. For example, while native Californians are generally thought of as extroverted, native New Englanders are reportedly reserved (at least, until there's a storm or you get to know them).
Perhaps all that's needed is patience and respect for neighbours' ways.
"proper english or US version" what version is this " neighours"???
LOL "Rebecca Ahlfeldt is an American ex-pat writer, translator and editor currently based in Stockholm."
I only hope her neighbours or neighbors or somebody to whom she translates/edits have not read this article.
When I moved to Dallas with my Swedish wife, our new neighbor brought over a plate of fresh baked cookies... after which my wife was always suspicious as to what she REALLY wanted!
@Rossminster: Skogsbo can be counted on to foam at the mouth at any positive mention of the U.S.A. Just wish he'd find something original rather than tired clichés.
Swedes dislike friendly conversation as an "invasion of personal space?"
I feel my personal spaced invaded every time a Swede crashes into me on the street because he walk in a civilized way.
Matter of taste: I prefer fake friendliness, whether Italian, Thai, Irish or American, I to genuine Swedish unpleasantness.
I used to find the swedish way of avoiding people annoying, but now I know a few people here (mainly immigrants) I just dont care. I would be nice to have a few more swedish friends but those swedes that I do know are just as friendly as my non swedish friends.
I think the article was written simply for the sake of writting an article
PS it's expat[riate], not ex-pat (former Irishman ;-)
Meant to type: "...my personal space (is) invaded every time a Swede crashes into me on the street because he CANNOT walk in a civilized way."
and
"I prefer fake friendliness...to genuine Swedish unpleasantness."
@abaeterno (#33), your last line, ja. Has there ever been a more banal article in TL?
Wait a minute. Yes. Her last two articles.
if her last two articles are as pointless as this one, then I will take your tip and avoid the disapointment of waisting 5 minutes reading them.
PS... a little to much swed bashing here by some people. if the culture is not to ur tast then accept is quietly or move
So recently I've switched to starting in English., whether with younger people or with those of advanced age - like myself.
Wow - what a difference ! I can only explain it by suggesting that switching to English seems to release many Swedes from their inhibitions. Not all, of course. And if I meet them some time later and we talk Swedish, conversations seem to go quite normally.
My wife and I still find it really difficult to get to make new friends in Sweden, though.
Any ideas ?
@Oldcrofter: my suggestion is to try to go to places where you have an interest--a ski club, exercise club or whatever. The easiest way I have found to meet people is those places where you are most likely to meet others with a common interest. This is really what the author did. Her common interest were the children. Swedes are very family and quality of life oriented, so most anything in that area should work, just as it did for her.
That isn't a problem unique to Sweden. Any western society with high population mobility has examples of the same thing happening.
why can't we just accept that there ARE differences in culture, some people find it difficult to come to terms with, and we dont need to resort to stupid, puerile nonsense like
"if you dont like it, get lost"
"its no different to any other country"
"its your fault you're doing it wrong"
"thats not my experience"
And yet you make the same puerile assertion yourself.
That said the problem with this article is not to be found in isolation but rather that Rebecca Ahlfeldt has written many articles for The Local that can be summarised as "Sweden isn't like the US that I know". Implicitly that's "Sweden isn't as good as the US" in whatever area she writes about. Her writings are also full of generalisations drawn from her limited personal experience. It would be like a Swede visiting Liverpool and saying all English people are Scousers. Some commentators here follow her lead trying to make out that Sweden is unique in some area. I was reminded of this last night as I'm visiting England at the moment and "the old people dead in their homes for months scenario" was joked about on TV as an English problem. 'The old lady next door keeps herself to herself; the milk bottles haven't been taken in for 2 weeks.'
This article and all its commissioned partners are no patch on the BBC World Service's "From Our Own Correspondent". The reports broadcast there are good models for how to write this cultural comparison stuff Ahlfeldt fails and fails and fails again at doing it. That is what I'm bitching about.
I find the constant sniping against all things Swedish rather predictable and boring.
Just don't live in Sweden if you don't like it.
Try, as a foreigner, to comment on US society and the vitriol you receive is infinitely worse than anything expressed here. US people are blinkered by the belief that the American way is the only way. The last reason to get away with commenting was de Toqueville who died almost 2 centuries ago and even now the agreement on this foreign views is only grudgingly given.
Swedes are socially retarded and that is not just my opinion. The Local decided to publish a blogger's observations of dating in Sweden. Funny, pathetic and true.
http://www.thelocal.se/17566/20090216/
@Opiinionfool,
That could be because most often the comments/opinions are based not on any personal experience of the U.S. but on indoctrination received in Swedish schools or from the state TV and radio.
"Swedes are socially retarded and that is not just my opinion" (#48)
@Calebian22,
Several long TL threads packed with the posters from more than a dozen nations with long experience in Sweden make the same observation.
@Chickybee (#46) "Just don't live in Sweden if you don't like it."
And just don't read the comments if you don't like them.
btw, The "old English saying" you (mis)quote is an old Greek saying (from Aesop).
On the contrary that indoctrination is in the media output from Hollywood. Some of us see how the US perceives itself and say "no thank you" but when we express those opinions the cry is "indoctrination".
movies?
I never said I didn't watch Hollywood movies --- how else would I recognise their attempts at US indoctrination. Subtley is not a common Hollywoodian attribute. On the other hand *you* should read Sardar and Davies books "Why Do They Hate America?", "American Dream; Global Nightmare" and "Will America Change?" all three of which are socio-politico-cultural analysis of the Hollywood behemoth. Think of these titles are the 21st century equivalent of de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America". Then take your red,white and blue colored glasses off and look at the world from other points of view.
They are just different, not as open & talkative as Americans.
It's How are you? and How long are you going to stay here?
My answer are equally short: I'm fine! and we're leaving soon!
I had the opportunity to "meet" people before coming here and that somehow has helped me a lot to acquire new friends. The other thing is the personality, for example when I go into a place I always salute in swedish with a big smile, eventhough my pronunciation is still poor, I feel fine by doing it and it really doesn't bother me if I don't get the same reply.
Let's face it, the people from Sthml is "special", a very different story in middle Sweden were I live.
I'm presuming you know Sweden / Swedish well enough to know what Swedes mean when they say people are 'special' ;)
These nobodies are no Tocqueville.
btw, as you are posing as some kind of expert, get the names you drop right:
it is "Tocqueville", or "Alexis de Tocqueville." Not "de Tocqueville" as you keep typing. The French particule is dropped when referring to surnames.
EVER!
Always a good tactic to change the focus from the content to the cover. And of course all other authors started from out writing with their fame and reputations in the full blaze of glory. "There's none so blind as those who will not see."
Back when I read History at Cambridge it was always de Tocqueville. The French may drop their particules all they like, an Englishman never does.
The authorities you cite for your paranoid conspiracy fantasies are obscure writings by authors no one has heard of or reviewed--typical for the Hate America loons.
Need any more tinfoil to complete your headgear?
If you bothered to remove your fanatical US-centric blindfold you would see that these people are not obscure and that the only wearing tinfoil is yourself. Just because they challenge your views does not make them paranoid --- rather your refusal to consider other views shows you to be paranoid. No wonder that Swedes don't want to know you.
Yes, anyone can be appointed "visiting professor." If you spend much time in academia you'd know that all sorts of clowns are named "visiting professor."
"BBC staff journalist"? And that's supposed to be validation of intellectual integrity.
"Venerable institution." Oh my.
Really living up to your alias aren't you.
I certainly hope so.
Is it possible that you, who pretend to be the product of a "venerable" institution of higher learning, know neither Latin nor Descartes?