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Four men have been arrested for the “execution style” killing of a 19-year-old man in Malmö in August 2011 in what police believe was a settling of scores among criminal gangs.
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The shooter can also expect a light sentence for his illegal firearm possession, simply because he is part of a gang, and can probably claim the murder itself was treally an act of self defense (a pre-emptive one) for the same reason.
"we all know that the four suspects and the victim were all immigrants from the Middle East"
And your point is?
Allright, you are looking for a correlation? How about that all of them are MEN!
How about the fact that ALL crimes in Malmo are carried out by MEN? And i am not talking about the majority, I am talking about ALL crimes.
95% of all crimes in sweden are committed by men. And this correlation is far stronger than yours.
Exactly! Wanted to say the same thing but was not sure the commentor could relate.
I was embarrassed and ashamed of the football hooliganism that Britain became so infamous for, it wasn't something I was involved in or supported, but it stopped me wearing an Union Jack flag on my rucksack when I travelled.
Criminality is found everywhere in the world, its wrong to 'tar' the good majority with the reputation of the criminal minority.
Why would you be ashamed of something a minority of your countrymen do? You are not responsible for their behaviour. The idea of the collective guilt is idiotic.
Is everybody a target for your abuse, even when they are supporting in principle your argument. You've missed the point completely.
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You specifically state that you are not talking about a majority but rather about ALL crimes being committed by only men; then, in the very next sentence, you quote a statistic of 95% which is precisely that - a majority, and not ALL.
It's amazing how many people simply deny the facts of reality. Am I saying that ALL immigrants from the Middle East are criminals? No. Am I saying that ALL Middle Eastern immigrants should be immediately deported or locked up? No. But it is a statistical fact that a disproportionately large amount of crime is committed in Malmö by immigrants and to deny this is simply a denial of reality. We need to accept this fact, and then we can move forward and start looking at ways to solve the problems...
ALL crimes in Malmo I meant - all violent crimes.
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Ehh... "abuse"?
Statistics and facts rarely have much to do with each other. The vast majority of bank robbers in the Blekinge area have been carried out by the over 50's in the last two years, this is 100% true.
It really tells us nothing, the gang was caught. Should police spend there time looking for similar groups? Are men over 50 now going to be routinely stopped because they fit a targeted demographic?
Newspaper editors want to sell papers, they also have a political alliance, they choose which stories to print and which to emit. The media is very persuasive they can pull out of the hat, any statistic to support their argument, as I'm sure you and I can.
I don't know why people choose to ignore the facts, even when they are staring at them right in the face. People seem to like to believe in 'propaganda' and 'conspiracy theories'; things are 'never that simple' and there's always a 'deeper problem at work'. This is why problems remain unresolved, because people simply fail to address the facts as they stand.
It's not the fact that is the problem. It is what the other make of it.
My point is simply be sure as you can be about the facts.
If you saw two 25 year old men thrown out of a nightclub, without knowing why, you would make the assumption that they have rightfully been thrown out.
If you saw two 80 year old women thrown out, you would make another assumption.
We are prejudice by default, I'm just hoping that prejudice doesn't get in the way of the truth.
Sterilize all Immigrants. Forced sterilization is not what we are talking, just a requirement if you want to come to or stay in Sweden. You dont like the idea, then dont come. That is simple.
Deport any Immigrant involved in a crime, as well as their entire family.
Our justice system uses the "making an example" technique to detour more criminals from doing the same.
Immigrant parents would do a much better job raising good kids if they had the hammer over their head of their own deportation due to the criminal activity of the kid. The kid may consider his parents before committing a crime or joining a gang.
Of course it isn't totally fair, but nothing is. We deal with most of the problem, knowing that we cant deal with all of it. No one can argue against the stats that most of the problems are due to Immigrants.
Think of a sinking Swedish ship without enough lifeboats. The captain decides to hold meetings to determine who gets a life boat. The ship sinks and everyone dies while still trying to diplomatically decide who gets a seat.
Sweden is sinking! It is time to quit the devotion to total fairness and save the darn ship!!!
The idea of muslims wanting destruction is meaningless because the whole world depends on the oil that comes from the middle east and mainly Saudi which by default is the richest and includes the so-called ideology of rolling the world. As for the one in Afghanistan I hope they all be gone when I finish commenting. If everyone agrees with me so far then this leads us to the bottleneck, why muslims (or Arab looking ) are violent and please have in mind that arabs are a race like saying Europeans (african arabs , Yemenis, Saudis Iraqis...). if u go to Tunisia u will see different people than in Oman. and the majority of arab immegrants are Iraqis and Palestines in Sweden.
This leads to many factors and the main one in my opinion is that: no background check is done when having refugees and being easy on the one does not obey the law. But we should not relate more than one Billion for 100 thousands in Afghanistan or malmo. Muslims had trouble in india and still have a lot of trouble in China which means we are all humans, some are good and a small percentage are bad. I hope this comment as it is long makes my theory open for discussion. I also hope that I don't receive negative comments because I am trying to make the discussion meaningful an helpful for the country that values my expertise and considered as on of the most open societies.
And talking of hadith, there is one where Muhammad says "I have been made victorious with terror, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:220
After all it is worth trying to speak up and say something in defense, even if you are already convinced then it is worth to try.
I finally say that I dont believe in any of what u said above, after all it is up to the reader to take my word or leave it. But please try to find the real problem,
Ha det bra
It's all to easy to have a leftist liberal idealist point of view until it happens to your neighbourhood or u find yourself becoming a victim of ethnic crime.
And violence against innocents, death to apostates, bigotry, intolerance, subjugation, inequality, hate, fascist totalitarianism, etc., etc.
The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."
Do you think it is really necessary to go this road, it starts with a shooting and ends with a discussion about someother different issue of course regarding muslims.
Since it is Sweden, how about attending a presentation by a muslim about islam and confront him about what is in mind and thought to be so bad, it will be helpful to ask about drugs shooting gangs ...
Doing reseach is always tough however taking a sentence out of contest is very easy.
Beleive me if I see a muslim or a non muslim do bad things I will report him directly to police.
If i'm not mistaken, my response was directly related to your own words, "Taking a good luck at Quran you will see compassion and justice at the same time."
"Ayah 256 in Quran Sorat Albagrah { No inforcment in relegion the truth is appearant....}"
And yet your own islamic laws state otherwise.
"The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."
Bukhari, volume 9, #17 "Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Bukhari, volume 9, #57
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
You're a peaceful Muslim. Awesome. That certainly does not fit the mold of your people, or your religion, so it is perfectly fair for people to blame Muslims for the problems in Malmo, when there is a direct correlation between Muslims coming to Sweden and violent crime and rape increasing. To deny it is like denying gravity or the shape of the Earth. Your people have brought nothing of value to Sweden.
If it were just you, I'd glad to have you in Sweden or even my country, but if you look at what happens when Muslims came to Sweden, one would have to be an idiot to allow their continued immigration. Also, those lines are not 'out of context', as though there are one or two of them. I could find more of those 'kill the infidels' comments than there are posts on this article.
There is a direct correlation between you been born and violent crime and rape increasing. Before you came to earth, there was much less crime in this country. And this is a fact, to deny it is like denying gravity or the shape of the Earth.
A convicted criminal and an endangered family will for sure runaway right, preferably to a nice place.
Please take a look at the statistics. almost 90% of the muslims in Sweden are from Iraq, or Iran. So the picture is a bit twisted.
The middle east is bigger than Europe and you cant say that the Italians act exactly like Germans. At the same time they have the christian background.
This comes to that can we say the germans are Nazis or the Italians are mafia.
That would all I have to say thanks for bearing with me.
Klubbnika: interesting statement
@doesntmatter
I remember in the 70s and 80s, the likes of TheWatchman said the the raise in crime was due to the Yugoslavs and Greeks, the first immigrants we had in this country. And the were far from Muslims. Now they say something different. Seems like they are just looking for excuses to present their hidden agenda.
Surprise, surprise.
Appreciate your confirming my point.
Start facing the truth you are lucky There is no freedom of speech in Sweden. If Swedes don't cheer and embrace their own annihilation they are a racist bigots, an enemy of the establishment and must be suppressed, ridiculed, undermined and persecuted.". GO HOME IF YOU LOVE THE "RELIGION OF PEACE"
Why is that?
That's right, it wouldn't. So maybe being a Muslim is not the decisive factor when it comes to becoming a criminal in Sweden?
In Sweden, only 7% of those incarcerated are women, and the large majority of those are in for crimes of theft or drugs.
Women in general are not the problem.